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00:01:20,196\n主委本席會這麼問就是因為我們國發會也就是物價穩定小組的一個成員\n\n5\n00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:39,905\n所以你看到這個電費高漲的時候在業者的成本反應之下他們當然調整啊你不能說漲電費成為物價漲價的這個藉口那你是叫所有業者都要共體時間關門大吉嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:54,302 --> 00:02:11,697\n所以我們還有其他的措施比如說剛剛提到平準物價的相關大眾物資的這個進口的相關稅會從3月份延到減免的部分會延到6月份所以主委那我請問一下這個基準點有幾個月呢你認為說電價跟物價不會影響的這個基準點呢你就這樣調整就一直調整下去嗎\n\n7\n00:02:20,224 --> 00:02:35,154\n電價當然對物價多多少少是會有一些影響按照主席總書預估出來也是有一些些影響所以漲電價也會直接影響到物價是不是多少會對會嘛所以\n\n8\n00:02:35,794 --> 00:02:57,766\n王部長他特別講說不會有直接的影響這句話大家都無法認同啦所以我們希望我們的國發會針對這個漲價這種情形你們在物價審議小組上穩定物價小組你們就必須提出一個因應的措施因為這個就是我們的能源配比\n\n9\n00:02:58,306 --> 00:03:23,875\n能源政策是錯誤的未來在新的政府賴清德上任之後的話也應該對於能源政策這個配比管理上面好好的做一個檢討調整對不對我們這個就是物價的這個督導這個憑督導會報我們是幕僚機關是隨時都會每個月都會開會所以了解整個物價的變化情況如果真的是有\n\n10\n00:03:24,995 --> 00:03:25,035\n發言委員\n\n11\n00:03:56,155 --> 00:04:14,941\n環島的高鐵這個建設的條例特別送來我們委員會裡面這兩個案子會一起在這邊出現就是因為我們草野大家都在支持花東的交通尤其不管是蔡英文總統還是到現在的賴清德準總統\n\n12\n00:04:16,201 --> 00:04:16,221\n韓國瑜議員\n\n13\n00:04:38,166 --> 00:05:04,062\n我們承繼的這個運輸發展是最重要的可以發展成我們全台6小時的一日生活圈的規劃在2021年的時候我們交通部的王國才部長也特別提到環島高鐵的這個構想尤其在這個行政院長蘇貞昌表示會全力支持下所以請教我們國發會的拱柱委你有什麼建議跟想法\n\n14\n00:05:04,862 --> 00:05:22,416\n發言委員,事實上我們近年來對於花東地區的這些重大的交通建設現在大概總共有12項,投入的金額大概有超過3000億所以對於花東建設事實上政府是非常的注重跟支持那您剛才提到說環島一日生活圈這個部分\n\n15\n00:05:22,896 --> 00:05:23,416\n高速鐵路是否要環島\n\n16\n00:05:53,117 --> 00:06:21,716\n因為整個在環島高速鐵路這個特別條例裡面主管機關是我們國發會為什麼會在國發會因為他就是有關我們國土的這個規劃跟發展國發會就是主責的業務單位所以國發會你必須把這所有各部會的案子都會送到你國發會來整個你去了解去建議嘛所以才會由你來做主責單位主責單位你就可以做個協調者\n\n17\n00:06:23,257 --> 00:06:23,597\n發言委員：呂玲\n\n18\n00:06:45,327 --> 00:06:57,561\n但是審議它不是一個主政單位主政單位還是要交通部我們會提供協助跟建議主委你不要一直往外推啦國土的這個空間規劃發展你就是主責單位難道這個\n\n19\n00:07:01,445 --> 00:07:19,334\n花東這個建設條例裡面建設這個整個重大建設高鐵也好快速道路也好難道是不是你的規劃你的主責嗎你可以審議啊你可以做個協調者啊所以本席要提醒你說你就是可以從中來做個協調者的角色\n\n20\n00:07:20,574 --> 00:07:41,879\n因為它是一個單一的交通的案子,它不是一個整體性的案子。如果是整體性的案子的話,也許我們還可以有一些初期的一些規劃的一些想法。但是它已經進入到實質的一個單一的交通案子了。那這個比較細部的是交通部,因為交通部它所有的專業都在做這件事情。\n\n21\n00:07:42,847 --> 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