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00:02:39,179\n來增加他們的量能不然你再這樣繼續查下去可能離職率會從36%到50、60這樣我們要怎麼因應今年今年才過了四分之一可是我們全國的新聞幾乎都是食安相關\n\n8\n00:02:41,719 --> 00:03:08,291\n這部分的話當然是可以再來檢討因為現在光是用預算去處理的話那也不完全都能夠可能會反不及急所以是不是應該要建立薪資的調整制度呢薪資調整這可能很難因為他是公務人員所以一定是按照他的職級根據公務人員的薪資表不會說稽查人員特別高\n\n9\n00:03:09,792 --> 00:03:32,188\n所以現在是人力的擴充的部分那人力擴充的部分的話有兩個問題第一個就是種原額那這個部分的話是人事總署在管理的那第二個是這個稽查員他是屬於地方政府的所以地方政府也必須願意把這個原額是擴充啦\n\n10\n00:03:33,028 --> 00:04:00,913\n地方政府很願意他們只是現在招不到人公告5次都還招不到人所以我希望中央也可以介入本席認為應該要重新編列預算來補助禁用稽查人力來提升我們的稽查量能我們來看一下2016年蔡政府就職典禮的時候當時她考試一下馬政府所以她說我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有家庭\n\n11\n00:04:02,153 --> 00:04:22,240\n臺灣是七成外食族因此呢我們特別要重視食品安全因為幾乎大家的食品都是仰賴著外界嘛結果今天來看似乎這個就職演講變成一個大預言家到今年去年我們都被雞蛋瘦肉精蘇丹紅\n\n12\n00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:29,108\n小林製藥還有這次的米酵菌酸困擾至今\n\n13\n00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:57,009\n但很諷刺的我們來檢討一下這是你們自己公布的數據喔從105年馬政府卸任到112年呢我們的食品中毒人數是創歷史新高112年到了633個案例那當然今年113年我是難以想像的啦因為至今我們就已經累積了太多案例了\n\n14\n00:04:58,789 --> 00:05:25,359\n我已經幫賴準總統的致詞演講稿想好了還是一樣可以沿用2016年我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有的家庭我們來看一下109年、110年照理說在COVID期間所有人是比較少外食嘛結果為什麼食品中毒的人數還是一年比一年飆升呢\n\n15\n00:05:29,274 --> 00:05:54,775\n我可能先釐清一下要先釐清一下這個到底是件數還是人數因為每一個食品中毒的案件它牽涉到的人數是差異非常大的對,所以像一個比較大的事件可能人數就會突然增加很多所以這個不知道到底是人數還是件數但是基本上我看起來比較像是件數啦好那件數的話\n\n16\n00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:57,231\n瞭解瞭解\n\n17\n00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:36,128\n這個行政院的食安辦公室每年花了我們不少預算但他這次的報告2.5頁裡面的內容大概就是關於每一個部門做了什麼然後在政令宣導請大家follow一下法規最後總結幾乎跟每一個部門的總結一樣就是食安五環很重要嘛\n\n18\n00:06:36,969 --> 00:07:03,652\n但全國人民比較沒有辦法接受的是我們3月13才剛開完食安匯報馬上又爆發了更大的食安問題而且是一般台灣人民比較難接受的中午出去吃個飯但在很短的時間內就過世了所以我會建議啦不知道針對這樣子的情形你們是不是需要再召開臨時的食安匯報呢\n\n19\n00:07:05,406 --> 00:07:21,427\n報告委員其實這個在衛福部這一個層級的話我們是有這樣子一個緊急處理的專案小組在進行當中至於食安會報因為他必須要召集各個部會那可能\n\n20\n00:07:22,489 --> 00:07:23,810\n臺灣第一次在這樣先進的國家有人到百貨公司小吃街\n\n21\n00:07:46,127 --> 00:08:12,683\n吃完東西還到現在找不到原因過世所以我想這個盡快給全民一個答案很重要嘛再來稽查人力的不足不知道是不是你覺得拖到6、7月再開會就可以了還有本席辦公室已經接獲許許多多廠商的反應南部整條廠商他因為你找不到答案他現在什麼東西都賣不出去耶\n\n22\n00:08:13,644 --> 00:08:42,714\n大家打開根本不敢吃你只要想到新聞就不敢吃所以這一切一切的問題還有最後你的標準品是仰賴一個醫院他自己都不太記得好險有神隊友幫忙所以你講到說這個報告裡面提到說我們都知道我們一定要高效能用大數據高科技去做預警系統然後盤點國外警訊非法添加物列入邊境管理強化食安\n\n23\n00:08:44,526 --> 00:09:12,673\n這些食藥署編的預算跟計畫喔過去三四年加起來都是幾億幾億的我們來仔細的看你的工作計畫裡面的名詞重複性很高啊不是智能監控高風險目標智能監控及風險預警還有最後這邊強化大數據預測機制其危機應變你的計畫內容就是不同的字一直在堆疊重複\n\n24\n00:09:13,453 --> 00:09:29,350\n我想問一下從雞蛋到剛剛蘇丹紅到今天到底你這些工作計畫哪一個工作計畫我們有成功攔截到今天我們討論的這幾個項目呢當然現在會出問題的就是沒有攔截到的\n\n25\n00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:56,418\n但是未來的話這個就會再進入到大數據裡面再去變成是一個風險因子那我們這一個模式的話本來就是靠過去的一些案例然後進入然後我們去把設法把它的這種風險的因子把它分析出來然後作為往後那個是要加強就是說稽查的對象\n\n26\n00:09:58,439 --> 00:10:23,726\n好我再給部長看一眼這是你們的報告你們的報告就是寫盤點國際警訊非法添加物還有盤點國際基本上日本小林好或者是這個米酵菌酸這些就是在我們鄰近國家發生的事你沒有加入預請系統我們全國人民都覺得大家看了日本的新聞然後我們這邊才開始動作\n\n27\n00:10:25,626 --> 00:10:54,386\n所以我很希望你的這些智能監控高風險目標預警系統過去三四年已經花了一億多可不可以真正的發揮效果最後一個建議啦我們剛剛講到要不是有你本來上禮拜我們在這邊討論這件事你說還要一兩週才驗得出來因為你要跟進口商去買這個米酵菌酸的標準品後來是進口商自己想起來有人訂購過我們才到張機去拿的耶\n\n28\n00:10:55,186 --> 00:11:15,746\n對阿剛提到你的這些預警系統我們附近的國家發生過其實我們早就應該把它列進去而且至少你要知道說我們自己沒有準備標準品沒關係可是台灣哪邊有嘛對不對這個齁我們附近鄰近的國家有發生食安問題的非常非常多啦\n\n29\n00:11:16,286 --> 00:11:16,306\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10613\t15357\t主席各位委員各位官員早安想要請薛部長還有吳署長好部長署長請\n24358\t48424\t首先我們要跟第一線所有的稽查人員以及檢驗人員致敬大家知道這個週末他們已經幫我們完成35項食材的稽查還有35項食材的檢驗還沒有找出這次寶林茶室的風波到底是什麼原因而起可是我們還沒查出真相前就發現\n49963\t73276\t已經在反映說不停的在招人還是招不滿北市衛生局稽查科不會員業務很辛苦全年無休沒有淡旺季過年值班連假都在輪值流動率非常的高最慘公告5次都沒有人來所以根據媒體的統計目前舉例每一個地方都不夠人臺北市的離職率甚至高達36%想問一下\n77578\t106063\t衛福部或食藥署有沒有針對這方面有所因應呢?剛剛我們報告食品機場人員基本上都是公務員配屬在各個縣市是由地方政府依照他們自己的組織編制來做規劃的我們稍微看一下在105年以前其實你們都有編列地方的預算去\n107438\t107698\t陳菁徽\n123243\t144418\t不可諱言啦,上次我們社安網討論了很久,像社工你就說每個縣市應該要多少人數才會充足,其實很明顯的現在這些稽查員、檢驗員就是食品的社工啊,他就是我們食品的社工,所以我們是不是應該要換一個方式?\n145726\t159179\t來增加他們的量能不然你再這樣繼續查下去可能離職率會從36%到50、60這樣我們要怎麼因應今年今年才過了四分之一可是我們全國的新聞幾乎都是食安相關\n161719\t188291\t這部分的話當然是可以再來檢討因為現在光是用預算去處理的話那也不完全都能夠可能會反不及急所以是不是應該要建立薪資的調整制度呢薪資調整這可能很難因為他是公務人員所以一定是按照他的職級根據公務人員的薪資表不會說稽查人員特別高\n189792\t212188\t所以現在是人力的擴充的部分那人力擴充的部分的話有兩個問題第一個就是種原額那這個部分的話是人事總署在管理的那第二個是這個稽查員他是屬於地方政府的所以地方政府也必須願意把這個原額是擴充啦\n213028\t240913\t地方政府很願意他們只是現在招不到人公告5次都還招不到人所以我希望中央也可以介入本席認為應該要重新編列預算來補助禁用稽查人力來提升我們的稽查量能我們來看一下2016年蔡政府就職典禮的時候當時她考試一下馬政府所以她說我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有家庭\n242153\t262240\t臺灣是七成外食族因此呢我們特別要重視食品安全因為幾乎大家的食品都是仰賴著外界嘛結果今天來看似乎這個就職演講變成一個大預言家到今年去年我們都被雞蛋瘦肉精蘇丹紅\n263320\t269108\t小林製藥還有這次的米酵菌酸困擾至今\n272850\t297009\t但很諷刺的我們來檢討一下這是你們自己公布的數據喔從105年馬政府卸任到112年呢我們的食品中毒人數是創歷史新高112年到了633個案例那當然今年113年我是難以想像的啦因為至今我們就已經累積了太多案例了\n298789\t325359\t我已經幫賴準總統的致詞演講稿想好了還是一樣可以沿用2016年我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有的家庭我們來看一下109年、110年照理說在COVID期間所有人是比較少外食嘛結果為什麼食品中毒的人數還是一年比一年飆升呢\n329274\t354775\t我可能先釐清一下要先釐清一下這個到底是件數還是人數因為每一個食品中毒的案件它牽涉到的人數是差異非常大的對,所以像一個比較大的事件可能人數就會突然增加很多所以這個不知道到底是人數還是件數但是基本上我看起來比較像是件數啦好那件數的話\n356550\t357231\t瞭解 瞭解\n376629\t396128\t這個行政院的食安辦公室每年花了我們不少預算但他這次的報告2.5頁裡面的內容大概就是關於每一個部門做了什麼然後在政令宣導請大家follow一下法規最後總結幾乎跟每一個部門的總結一樣就是食安五環很重要嘛\n396969\t423652\t但全國人民比較沒有辦法接受的是我們3月13才剛開完食安匯報馬上又爆發了更大的食安問題而且是一般台灣人民比較難接受的中午出去吃個飯但在很短的時間內就過世了所以我會建議啦不知道針對這樣子的情形你們是不是需要再召開臨時的食安匯報呢\n425406\t441427\t報告委員其實這個在衛福部這一個層級的話我們是有這樣子一個緊急處理的專案小組在進行當中至於食安會報因為他必須要召集各個部會那可能\n442489\t443810\t臺灣第一次在這樣先進的國家有人到百貨公司小吃街\n466127\t492683\t吃完東西還到現在找不到原因過世所以我想這個盡快給全民一個答案很重要嘛再來稽查人力的不足不知道是不是你覺得拖到6、7月再開會就可以了還有本席辦公室已經接獲許許多多廠商的反應南部整條廠商他因為你找不到答案他現在什麼東西都賣不出去耶\n493644\t522714\t大家打開根本不敢吃你只要想到新聞就不敢吃所以這一切一切的問題還有最後你的標準品是仰賴一個醫院他自己都不太記得好險有神隊友幫忙所以你講到說這個報告裡面提到說我們都知道我們一定要高效能用大數據高科技去做預警系統然後盤點國外警訊非法添加物列入邊境管理強化食安\n524526\t552673\t這些食藥署編的預算跟計畫喔過去三四年加起來都是幾億幾億的我們來仔細的看你的工作計畫裡面的名詞重複性很高啊不是智能監控高風險目標智能監控及風險預警還有最後這邊強化大數據預測機制其危機應變你的計畫內容就是不同的字一直在堆疊重複\n553453\t569350\t我想問一下從雞蛋到剛剛蘇丹紅到今天到底你這些工作計畫哪一個工作計畫我們有成功攔截到今天我們討論的這幾個項目呢當然現在會出問題的就是沒有攔截到的\n569870\t596418\t但是未來的話這個就會再進入到大數據裡面再去變成是一個風險因子那我們這一個模式的話本來就是靠過去的一些案例然後進入然後我們去把設法把它的這種風險的因子把它分析出來然後作為往後那個是要加強就是說稽查的對象\n598439\t623726\t好我再給部長看一眼這是你們的報告你們的報告就是寫盤點國際警訊非法添加物還有盤點國際基本上日本小林好或者是這個米酵菌酸這些就是在我們鄰近國家發生的事你沒有加入預請系統我們全國人民都覺得大家看了日本的新聞然後我們這邊才開始動作\n625626\t654386\t所以我很希望你的這些智能監控高風險目標預警系統過去三四年已經花了一億多可不可以真正的發揮效果最後一個建議啦我們剛剛講到要不是有你本來上禮拜我們在這邊討論這件事你說還要一兩週才驗得出來因為你要跟進口商去買這個米酵菌酸的標準品後來是進口商自己想起來有人訂購過我們才到張機去拿的耶\n655186\t675746\t對阿 剛提到你的這些預警系統我們附近的國家發生過其實我們早就應該把它列進去而且至少你要知道說我們自己沒有準備標準品沒關係可是台灣哪邊有嘛 對不對這個齁 我們附近鄰近的國家有發生食安問題的非常非常多啦\n676286\t676306\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席各位委員各位官員早安想要請薛部長還有吳署長好部長署長請\n首先我們要跟第一線所有的稽查人員以及檢驗人員致敬大家知道這個週末他們已經幫我們完成35項食材的稽查還有35項食材的檢驗還沒有找出這次寶林茶室的風波到底是什麼原因而起可是我們還沒查出真相前就發現\n已經在反映說不停的在招人還是招不滿北市衛生局稽查科不會員業務很辛苦全年無休沒有淡旺季過年值班連假都在輪值流動率非常的高最慘公告5次都沒有人來所以根據媒體的統計目前舉例每一個地方都不夠人臺北市的離職率甚至高達36%想問一下\n衛福部或食藥署有沒有針對這方面有所因應呢?剛剛我們報告食品機場人員基本上都是公務員配屬在各個縣市是由地方政府依照他們自己的組織編制來做規劃的我們稍微看一下在105年以前其實你們都有編列地方的預算去\n陳菁徽\n不可諱言啦,上次我們社安網討論了很久,像社工你就說每個縣市應該要多少人數才會充足,其實很明顯的現在這些稽查員、檢驗員就是食品的社工啊,他就是我們食品的社工,所以我們是不是應該要換一個方式?\n來增加他們的量能不然你再這樣繼續查下去可能離職率會從36%到50、60這樣我們要怎麼因應今年今年才過了四分之一可是我們全國的新聞幾乎都是食安相關\n這部分的話當然是可以再來檢討因為現在光是用預算去處理的話那也不完全都能夠可能會反不及急所以是不是應該要建立薪資的調整制度呢薪資調整這可能很難因為他是公務人員所以一定是按照他的職級根據公務人員的薪資表不會說稽查人員特別高\n所以現在是人力的擴充的部分那人力擴充的部分的話有兩個問題第一個就是種原額那這個部分的話是人事總署在管理的那第二個是這個稽查員他是屬於地方政府的所以地方政府也必須願意把這個原額是擴充啦\n地方政府很願意他們只是現在招不到人公告5次都還招不到人所以我希望中央也可以介入本席認為應該要重新編列預算來補助禁用稽查人力來提升我們的稽查量能我們來看一下2016年蔡政府就職典禮的時候當時她考試一下馬政府所以她說我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有家庭\n臺灣是七成外食族因此呢我們特別要重視食品安全因為幾乎大家的食品都是仰賴著外界嘛結果今天來看似乎這個就職演講變成一個大預言家到今年去年我們都被雞蛋瘦肉精蘇丹紅\n小林製藥還有這次的米酵菌酸困擾至今\n但很諷刺的我們來檢討一下這是你們自己公布的數據喔從105年馬政府卸任到112年呢我們的食品中毒人數是創歷史新高112年到了633個案例那當然今年113年我是難以想像的啦因為至今我們就已經累積了太多案例了\n我已經幫賴準總統的致詞演講稿想好了還是一樣可以沿用2016年我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有的家庭我們來看一下109年、110年照理說在COVID期間所有人是比較少外食嘛結果為什麼食品中毒的人數還是一年比一年飆升呢\n我可能先釐清一下要先釐清一下這個到底是件數還是人數因為每一個食品中毒的案件它牽涉到的人數是差異非常大的對,所以像一個比較大的事件可能人數就會突然增加很多所以這個不知道到底是人數還是件數但是基本上我看起來比較像是件數啦好那件數的話\n瞭解 瞭解\n這個行政院的食安辦公室每年花了我們不少預算但他這次的報告2.5頁裡面的內容大概就是關於每一個部門做了什麼然後在政令宣導請大家follow一下法規最後總結幾乎跟每一個部門的總結一樣就是食安五環很重要嘛\n但全國人民比較沒有辦法接受的是我們3月13才剛開完食安匯報馬上又爆發了更大的食安問題而且是一般台灣人民比較難接受的中午出去吃個飯但在很短的時間內就過世了所以我會建議啦不知道針對這樣子的情形你們是不是需要再召開臨時的食安匯報呢\n報告委員其實這個在衛福部這一個層級的話我們是有這樣子一個緊急處理的專案小組在進行當中至於食安會報因為他必須要召集各個部會那可能\n臺灣第一次在這樣先進的國家有人到百貨公司小吃街\n吃完東西還到現在找不到原因過世所以我想這個盡快給全民一個答案很重要嘛再來稽查人力的不足不知道是不是你覺得拖到6、7月再開會就可以了還有本席辦公室已經接獲許許多多廠商的反應南部整條廠商他因為你找不到答案他現在什麼東西都賣不出去耶\n大家打開根本不敢吃你只要想到新聞就不敢吃所以這一切一切的問題還有最後你的標準品是仰賴一個醫院他自己都不太記得好險有神隊友幫忙所以你講到說這個報告裡面提到說我們都知道我們一定要高效能用大數據高科技去做預警系統然後盤點國外警訊非法添加物列入邊境管理強化食安\n這些食藥署編的預算跟計畫喔過去三四年加起來都是幾億幾億的我們來仔細的看你的工作計畫裡面的名詞重複性很高啊不是智能監控高風險目標智能監控及風險預警還有最後這邊強化大數據預測機制其危機應變你的計畫內容就是不同的字一直在堆疊重複\n我想問一下從雞蛋到剛剛蘇丹紅到今天到底你這些工作計畫哪一個工作計畫我們有成功攔截到今天我們討論的這幾個項目呢當然現在會出問題的就是沒有攔截到的\n但是未來的話這個就會再進入到大數據裡面再去變成是一個風險因子那我們這一個模式的話本來就是靠過去的一些案例然後進入然後我們去把設法把它的這種風險的因子把它分析出來然後作為往後那個是要加強就是說稽查的對象\n好我再給部長看一眼這是你們的報告你們的報告就是寫盤點國際警訊非法添加物還有盤點國際基本上日本小林好或者是這個米酵菌酸這些就是在我們鄰近國家發生的事你沒有加入預請系統我們全國人民都覺得大家看了日本的新聞然後我們這邊才開始動作\n所以我很希望你的這些智能監控高風險目標預警系統過去三四年已經花了一億多可不可以真正的發揮效果最後一個建議啦我們剛剛講到要不是有你本來上禮拜我們在這邊討論這件事你說還要一兩週才驗得出來因為你要跟進口商去買這個米酵菌酸的標準品後來是進口商自己想起來有人訂購過我們才到張機去拿的耶\n對阿 剛提到你的這些預警系統我們附近的國家發生過其實我們早就應該把它列進去而且至少你要知道說我們自己沒有準備標準品沒關係可是台灣哪邊有嘛 對不對這個齁 我們附近鄰近的國家有發生食安問題的非常非常多啦\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.613 --> 00:15.357\n主席各位委員各位官員早安想要請薛部長還有吳署長好部長署長請\n\n00:24.358 --> 00:48.424\n首先我們要跟第一線所有的稽查人員以及檢驗人員致敬大家知道這個週末他們已經幫我們完成35項食材的稽查還有35項食材的檢驗還沒有找出這次寶林茶室的風波到底是什麼原因而起可是我們還沒查出真相前就發現\n\n00:49.963 --> 01:13.276\n已經在反映說不停的在招人還是招不滿北市衛生局稽查科不會員業務很辛苦全年無休沒有淡旺季過年值班連假都在輪值流動率非常的高最慘公告5次都沒有人來所以根據媒體的統計目前舉例每一個地方都不夠人臺北市的離職率甚至高達36%想問一下\n\n01:17.578 --> 01:46.063\n衛福部或食藥署有沒有針對這方面有所因應呢?剛剛我們報告食品機場人員基本上都是公務員配屬在各個縣市是由地方政府依照他們自己的組織編制來做規劃的我們稍微看一下在105年以前其實你們都有編列地方的預算去\n\n01:47.438 --> 01:47.698\n陳菁徽\n\n02:03.243 --> 02:24.418\n不可諱言啦,上次我們社安網討論了很久,像社工你就說每個縣市應該要多少人數才會充足,其實很明顯的現在這些稽查員、檢驗員就是食品的社工啊,他就是我們食品的社工,所以我們是不是應該要換一個方式?\n\n02:25.726 --> 02:39.179\n來增加他們的量能不然你再這樣繼續查下去可能離職率會從36%到50、60這樣我們要怎麼因應今年今年才過了四分之一可是我們全國的新聞幾乎都是食安相關\n\n02:41.719 --> 03:08.291\n這部分的話當然是可以再來檢討因為現在光是用預算去處理的話那也不完全都能夠可能會反不及急所以是不是應該要建立薪資的調整制度呢薪資調整這可能很難因為他是公務人員所以一定是按照他的職級根據公務人員的薪資表不會說稽查人員特別高\n\n03:09.792 --> 03:32.188\n所以現在是人力的擴充的部分那人力擴充的部分的話有兩個問題第一個就是種原額那這個部分的話是人事總署在管理的那第二個是這個稽查員他是屬於地方政府的所以地方政府也必須願意把這個原額是擴充啦\n\n03:33.028 --> 04:00.913\n地方政府很願意他們只是現在招不到人公告5次都還招不到人所以我希望中央也可以介入本席認為應該要重新編列預算來補助禁用稽查人力來提升我們的稽查量能我們來看一下2016年蔡政府就職典禮的時候當時她考試一下馬政府所以她說我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有家庭\n\n04:02.153 --> 04:22.240\n臺灣是七成外食族因此呢我們特別要重視食品安全因為幾乎大家的食品都是仰賴著外界嘛結果今天來看似乎這個就職演講變成一個大預言家到今年去年我們都被雞蛋瘦肉精蘇丹紅\n\n04:23.320 --> 04:29.108\n小林製藥還有這次的米酵菌酸困擾至今\n\n04:32.850 --> 04:57.009\n但很諷刺的我們來檢討一下這是你們自己公布的數據喔從105年馬政府卸任到112年呢我們的食品中毒人數是創歷史新高112年到了633個案例那當然今年113年我是難以想像的啦因為至今我們就已經累積了太多案例了\n\n04:58.789 --> 05:25.359\n我已經幫賴準總統的致詞演講稿想好了還是一樣可以沿用2016年我們的食品安全問題困擾著所有的家庭我們來看一下109年、110年照理說在COVID期間所有人是比較少外食嘛結果為什麼食品中毒的人數還是一年比一年飆升呢\n\n05:29.274 --> 05:54.775\n我可能先釐清一下要先釐清一下這個到底是件數還是人數因為每一個食品中毒的案件它牽涉到的人數是差異非常大的對,所以像一個比較大的事件可能人數就會突然增加很多所以這個不知道到底是人數還是件數但是基本上我看起來比較像是件數啦好那件數的話\n\n05:56.550 --> 05:57.231\n瞭解瞭解\n\n06:16.629 --> 06:36.128\n這個行政院的食安辦公室每年花了我們不少預算但他這次的報告2.5頁裡面的內容大概就是關於每一個部門做了什麼然後在政令宣導請大家follow一下法規最後總結幾乎跟每一個部門的總結一樣就是食安五環很重要嘛\n\n06:36.969 --> 07:03.652\n但全國人民比較沒有辦法接受的是我們3月13才剛開完食安匯報馬上又爆發了更大的食安問題而且是一般台灣人民比較難接受的中午出去吃個飯但在很短的時間內就過世了所以我會建議啦不知道針對這樣子的情形你們是不是需要再召開臨時的食安匯報呢\n\n07:05.406 --> 07:21.427\n報告委員其實這個在衛福部這一個層級的話我們是有這樣子一個緊急處理的專案小組在進行當中至於食安會報因為他必須要召集各個部會那可能\n\n07:22.489 --> 07:23.810\n臺灣第一次在這樣先進的國家有人到百貨公司小吃街\n\n07:46.127 --> 08:12.683\n吃完東西還到現在找不到原因過世所以我想這個盡快給全民一個答案很重要嘛再來稽查人力的不足不知道是不是你覺得拖到6、7月再開會就可以了還有本席辦公室已經接獲許許多多廠商的反應南部整條廠商他因為你找不到答案他現在什麼東西都賣不出去耶\n\n08:13.644 --> 08:42.714\n大家打開根本不敢吃你只要想到新聞就不敢吃所以這一切一切的問題還有最後你的標準品是仰賴一個醫院他自己都不太記得好險有神隊友幫忙所以你講到說這個報告裡面提到說我們都知道我們一定要高效能用大數據高科技去做預警系統然後盤點國外警訊非法添加物列入邊境管理強化食安\n\n08:44.526 --> 09:12.673\n這些食藥署編的預算跟計畫喔過去三四年加起來都是幾億幾億的我們來仔細的看你的工作計畫裡面的名詞重複性很高啊不是智能監控高風險目標智能監控及風險預警還有最後這邊強化大數據預測機制其危機應變你的計畫內容就是不同的字一直在堆疊重複\n\n09:13.453 --> 09:29.350\n我想問一下從雞蛋到剛剛蘇丹紅到今天到底你這些工作計畫哪一個工作計畫我們有成功攔截到今天我們討論的這幾個項目呢當然現在會出問題的就是沒有攔截到的\n\n09:29.870 --> 09:56.418\n但是未來的話這個就會再進入到大數據裡面再去變成是一個風險因子那我們這一個模式的話本來就是靠過去的一些案例然後進入然後我們去把設法把它的這種風險的因子把它分析出來然後作為往後那個是要加強就是說稽查的對象\n\n09:58.439 --> 10:23.726\n好我再給部長看一眼這是你們的報告你們的報告就是寫盤點國際警訊非法添加物還有盤點國際基本上日本小林好或者是這個米酵菌酸這些就是在我們鄰近國家發生的事你沒有加入預請系統我們全國人民都覺得大家看了日本的新聞然後我們這邊才開始動作\n\n10:25.626 --> 10:54.386\n所以我很希望你的這些智能監控高風險目標預警系統過去三四年已經花了一億多可不可以真正的發揮效果最後一個建議啦我們剛剛講到要不是有你本來上禮拜我們在這邊討論這件事你說還要一兩週才驗得出來因為你要跟進口商去買這個米酵菌酸的標準品後來是進口商自己想起來有人訂購過我們才到張機去拿的耶\n\n10:55.186 --> 11:15.746\n對阿剛提到你的這些預警系統我們附近的國家發生過其實我們早就應該把它列進去而且至少你要知道說我們自己沒有準備標準品沒關係可是台灣哪邊有嘛對不對這個齁我們附近鄰近的國家有發生食安問題的非常非常多啦\n\n11:16.286 --> 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