{"id":150705,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150705","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c0a2b598a41d2f4078f7510a295be7434bf8ba9b0039caa7a64ce78548ac6631505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"黃建賓","委員發言時間":"09:34:25 - 09:45:51","影片長度":"00:11:26","會議時間":"2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra 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00:01:12,175\n所以目前我們原住民的人口大概是59萬那涉及在山地鄉大概16萬人那涉及在平地鄉的是13萬人那涉及在都會區的有29萬人那現在意味著我們大概一半的原住民的同胞都在都會區生活是這個數字是正確的嗎?是的是目前已經有將近一半的原住民遷移到都市了那這個原因是為什麼?\n\n4\n00:01:13,308 --> 00:01:33,979\n我想主要應該是就業機會比較多也是因為工作嘛對不對工作因素決定人口的移動嘛那主委我們在會裡面這邊有推動地方創生那地方創生的核心是在做島內移民的這件事情對不對\n\n5\n00:01:35,680 --> 00:02:02,330\n那就目前為止我們現在這一段我們推動的地方創生那主委要不要來跟大家分享一下目前的成效有關地方創生我們在很多地方都開始推動包括委員的服務的台東縣我們在督蘭的這個部落呢也有在推地方創生的這個業務在其他地方也有類似這種推案\n\n6\n00:02:03,883 --> 00:02:18,510\n講到督覽除了剛好我們那個順便來瞭解一下在2006年的時候蔡總統提出要在督覽做一個事辦守個自治區不知道到目前為止我們在進入到哪邊\n\n7\n00:02:19,731 --> 00:02:42,091\n總統委員報告其實都攬部落的自治的部分其實在廖國東還在任命的時候我們都積極的跟部落的頭目怎麼樣建構屬於部落的自治那目前這個部分我們持續跟都攬部落頭目做一個共識的建立除了那個蔡總統都要卸任的都還沒有一個方向嗎\n\n8\n00:02:42,918 --> 00:03:07,028\n我們繼續努力我們也希望是能夠朝這方向那今天我們繼續回到地方創生這一塊地方創生裡面主要針對這個人口增加進行的研究我想本席這邊要留心一下我們現在補助給各鄉鎮的軟硬體資源到底有沒有實質幫助到原鄉人口的回流讓它社會增加的現象產生\n\n9\n00:03:08,817 --> 00:03:34,624\n跟委員報告其實我們這幾年光是經濟產業的獎勵我們有所謂的百萬創業就是鼓勵年輕人在原鄉做一個創業那我們會提供一百萬左右的創業來獎勵他們那目前已經有這個180個青年回到原鄉來做創業的臺東那個地方也很多是這樣子的\n\n10\n00:03:34,893 --> 00:04:01,688\n是是本席所在的到鄉也有拿過這個計畫的年輕人但本席是建議說這樣方向很好要持續我想除了硬體的設施以外最重要的是有沒有什麼樣的方式可以讓年輕人回鄉來工作我想人才是重點在本席擔任國際擔任鄉長任內我們推動的地方創生裡面其實我們除了硬體的增加以外也增加一些讓能夠就業的工作機會因為只有人回來他才有辦法發展\n\n11\n00:04:02,068 --> 00:04:19,169\n不然我們編列這麼多的原住民保留地其實沒有人跟做沒有人開發對人口增加其實沒有幫助的這本席這邊的來建議不然光是你看我們跟都會去來比光是一個生意補助就真的完全沒有辦法都被打趴了所以更不要講說人才回流這件事情光人回來都是一個問題\n\n12\n00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:37,676\n那另外本席再就叫我們主委主委我們曾經有召開過這個原住民自治徵詢會議是不是是這個會議是都到各鄉鎮去辦理還是在哪裡辦理應該這樣分啦\n\n13\n00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:59,057\n在自治徵詢會議其實常年都在各部落來推動那目前比較具體的做法是比如像委員服務的臺東縣的蘭嶼我們已經讓他們更具體跟鄉長跟代表跟議員還有部落的祈禱做下來到底要怎麼推\n\n14\n00:04:59,878 --> 00:05:13,579\n屬於亞美族的自治這個部分我們仔細在推動當中大部分都是到各鄉鎮去辦那像北南主持到北南鄉屋守嘛但我記得那個阿美族好像是在台北這邊辦嘛\n\n15\n00:05:15,276 --> 00:05:38,452\n是這樣嗎雖然這個原轉會不是原民會這邊的業務但是也是跟主任提醒一下應該是到下鄉能夠聽聽其他的聲音我想這樣比較貼切OK那最後我們再想一下就是關於土地這一塊我們聊到土地原保地大概是在原民會裡面很重要的一個業務那北企記得原民會有編列一些預算來聘請專業人員來協助鄉民公所辦理這件事情對不對\n\n16\n00:05:42,526 --> 00:06:08,204\n對我們有所謂的土地登記人員我想我們委員當鄉長的時候應該也有在你的公所裡面也有土地登記人員這樣的一個編制是所以那個人民會應該有我記得有一個系統叫做網路網際網路土地管理系統對不對這可以有效的然後瞭解目前現在27萬公頃的原保地的土地的現在的登記的情況是不是這個東西\n\n17\n00:06:09,785 --> 00:06:20,075\n對,我們現在可以很方便讓主委透過我們的網路了解我們對受理有關原住民土地尤其是保留地的整個進度都可以上網來做查詢\n\n18\n00:06:22,081 --> 00:06:42,098\n這個系統非常好,因為本席覺得他不單單是可以管理土地,他甚至還可以有效的了解到我們這個獨特能力的工作情況,因為這個部分能夠持續的話也能夠更確實的來協助鄉鎮公所在我們聯保地的管理這塊能夠有幫助,所以本席是建議這個系統\n\n19\n00:06:43,819 --> 00:06:45,060\n委員我們這個部分吼\n\n20\n00:06:55,049 --> 00:07:18,548\n那個我們才剛開完全國性的這些土燈人眼的研習營那我們會提起他們基層所以網路上到底怎麼作業方式有沒有需要經營的地方我們會每年都會做一個定時的改進所以隨時改進都可以所以本席問這個就是因為其實很多鄉鎮其實常常發生土燈人眼的一些工作業務的狀況跟民眾有一些誤解\n\n21\n00:07:22,989 --> 00:07:51,309\n確實這一塊本席也是建議如果能夠在這個系統上做有效的管理的話也可以適時的發現說這個月這個鄉鎮公所或這個縣市政府你的土墩情況然後原民會趕快適時進入來協助那也不要引起民怨我想這個是美意啦希望不要因為原民會的這個美意反而造成鄉鎮公所的困擾本席的意思是這邊那主委這邊是不是可以也能夠會後來要求我們會理念就這個系統來做一個檢討\n\n22\n00:07:52,190 --> 00:07:53,535\n好,這個我們會定時來做個檢討。謝主委吼,最另外\n\n23\n00:07:58,576 --> 00:08:24,545\n本期想要問一個問題這可能跟原民會這邊不是直接的業務但是主委你是原住民業務的最高的這個管理人會的主管我想要問一下關於公務人員的薪資就是原鄉公務人員薪資給付這個部分本期跟主委來分享關於台東縣的公務人員的薪資加給的部分有就分為四個不同的項目主委你猜哪四個嗎\n\n24\n00:08:25,731 --> 00:08:53,569\n大概光是原住民就有分山地鄉跟像大武跟那個就不一樣了是不是很了解嘛一個台東縣有四個方法嘛離島佳籍、東台佳籍、偏遠佳籍、山地佳籍一本是以前所在的大武鄉來說好了大武鄉的公園員的新所定的叫做東台佳籍隔一條路過去就有達蘭鄉他是山地鄉他就是山地佳籍這會造成什麼情況公園員他會選擇性的去報到或是服務嗎\n\n25\n00:08:54,409 --> 00:09:11,810\n我想這個部分雖然這個跟原住民會議沒有關係可是我覺得在未來在施政中也能夠事實上能夠反映反而一個區域有四個不同的市民這也很奇怪那我想這也是增加人才流動最重要的方式而不是用我們的家籍去把它分開主委您有沒有這一點\n\n26\n00:09:12,711 --> 00:09:32,354\n的確其實我也遇到很多個案是這樣他寧可選擇山地鄉來做報告因為他的價值比一般的價值還更多所以這個部分的確是我們應該要整個來整個檢討到底怎麼樣讓原住民在適當的地方取得適當的待遇這是很重要的\n\n27\n00:09:32,774 --> 00:09:46,749\n是甚至本席再建議一個就是說我們剛才提到張委員講到的母語部分母語應該是要鼓勵所以不只是原住民連漢人朋友也要來鼓勵他們來考證照所以給他相關的一些鼓勵措施好像\n\n28\n00:09:47,950 --> 00:10:15,308\n臺東其實原漢的生活形狀在一塊了甚至有一些漢人朋友他長期跟原住民相處他也會講母語應該要鼓勵他讓他有這個講母語的環境而不是上完課回家你去家裡你甚至會跟人家講母語所以母語推動其實還是有需要加強的地方這個部分本期我是建議原住民社會可以做討論未來在推動母語傳也可以列為公務人員的一個鼓勵的方法\n\n29\n00:10:16,158 --> 00:10:31,931\n委員我跟您報告原民會現在每個月的擴大主管會報我們是鼓勵我們的主管用各組的主義來報告那我們只要用耳機聽我都會聽到他在講什麼也因為這樣一年多之後我們這個中規處的處長\n\n30\n00:10:35,734 --> 00:10:43,896\n本期本來要去考的啦因為時間沒有認證沒有去考我覺得這個是鼓勵啦這是鼓勵班文化人員應該要推廣給大家知道不管你是哪一個族群本期認為只要在這一塊土地上\n\n31\n00:10:54,799 --> 00:11:19,333\n生存的、生活的每一個人都應該去了解注重多大文化這個未來我覺得也是可以在我們市政上能夠做跟其他的局處來做一些溝通比如說觀光這一塊記得本期的近期跟那個藍綠的冰板舟的文化因為不懂文化而觸犯到的我覺得這個都可以避免都可以避免那這是以上是本期的一些建議有一些問題我想會再跟主委這邊來就教\n\n32\n00:11:20,334 --> 00:11:21,257\n謝謝黃建斌委員的支持。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7420\t11704\t謝謝主席有請我們委員會主委有請一將主委歡迎委員好主委早安來後來喔\n21260\t42085\t主委想跟主委討論一下關於一些原鄉的一些原住民的一些問題雖然本席是漢人的身分但因為本席之前在大武鄉擔任過鄉長所以大武鄉是一個漢源共治一個區域所以本席就我們在過去的經驗裡面看到一些問題來跟主委這邊來做個討論好請委員指教\n45146\t72175\t所以目前我們原住民的人口大概是59萬那涉及在山地鄉大概16萬人那涉及在平地鄉的是13萬人那涉及在都會區的有29萬人那現在意味著我們大概一半的原住民的同胞都在都會區生活是這個數字是正確的嗎?是的 是目前已經有將近一半的原住民遷移到都市了那這個原因是為什麼?\n73308\t93979\t我想主要應該是就業機會比較多也是因為工作嘛對不對工作因素決定人口的移動嘛那主委我們在會裡面這邊有推動地方創生那地方創生的核心是在做島內移民的這件事情對不對\n95680\t122330\t那就目前為止我們現在這一段我們推動的地方創生那主委要不要來跟大家分享一下目前的成效有關地方創生我們在很多地方都開始推動包括委員的服務的台東縣我們在督蘭的這個部落呢也有在推地方創生的這個業務在其他地方也有類似這種推案\n123883\t138510\t講到督覽除了剛好我們那個順便來瞭解一下在2006年的時候蔡總統提出要在督覽做一個事辦守個自治區不知道到目前為止我們在進入到哪邊\n139731\t162091\t總統委員報告其實都攬部落的自治的部分其實在廖國東還在任命的時候我們都積極的跟部落的頭目怎麼樣建構屬於部落的自治那目前這個部分我們持續跟都攬部落頭目做一個共識的建立除了那個蔡總統都要卸任的都還沒有一個方向嗎\n162918\t187028\t我們繼續努力我們也希望是能夠朝這方向那今天我們繼續回到地方創生這一塊地方創生裡面主要針對這個人口增加進行的研究我想本席這邊要留心一下我們現在補助給各鄉鎮的軟硬體資源到底有沒有實質幫助到原鄉人口的回流讓它社會增加的現象產生\n188817\t214624\t跟委員報告其實我們這幾年光是經濟產業的獎勵我們有所謂的百萬創業就是鼓勵年輕人在原鄉做一個創業那我們會提供一百萬左右的創業來獎勵他們那目前已經有這個180個青年回到原鄉來做創業的臺東那個地方也很多是這樣子的\n214893\t241688\t是是本席所在的到鄉也有拿過這個計畫的年輕人但本席是建議說這樣方向很好要持續我想除了硬體的設施以外最重要的是有沒有什麼樣的方式可以讓年輕人回鄉來工作我想人才是重點在本席擔任國際擔任鄉長任內我們推動的地方創生裡面其實我們除了硬體的增加以外也增加一些讓能夠就業的工作機會因為只有人回來他才有辦法發展\n242068\t259169\t不然我們編列這麼多的原住民保留地其實沒有人跟做沒有人開發對人口增加其實沒有幫助的這本席這邊的來建議不然光是你看我們跟都會去來比光是一個生意補助就真的完全沒有辦法都被打趴了所以更不要講說人才回流這件事情光人回來都是一個問題\n263260\t277676\t那另外本席再就叫我們主委主委我們曾經有召開過這個原住民自治徵詢會議是不是是這個會議是都到各鄉鎮去辦理還是在哪裡辦理應該這樣分啦\n280399\t299057\t在自治徵詢會議其實常年都在各部落來推動那目前比較具體的做法是比如像委員服務的臺東縣的蘭嶼我們已經讓他們更具體跟鄉長跟代表跟議員還有部落的祈禱做下來到底要怎麼推\n299878\t313579\t屬於亞美族的自治這個部分我們仔細在推動當中大部分都是到各鄉鎮去辦那像北南主持到北南鄉屋守嘛但我記得那個阿美族好像是在台北這邊辦嘛\n315276\t338452\t是這樣嗎雖然這個原轉會不是原民會這邊的業務但是也是跟主任提醒一下應該是到下鄉能夠聽聽其他的聲音我想這樣比較貼切OK那最後我們再想一下就是關於土地這一塊我們聊到土地原保地大概是在原民會裡面很重要的一個業務那北企記得原民會有編列一些預算來聘請專業人員來協助鄉民公所辦理這件事情對不對\n342526\t368204\t對我們有所謂的土地登記人員我想我們委員當鄉長的時候應該也有在你的公所裡面也有土地登記人員這樣的一個編制是所以那個人民會應該有我記得有一個系統叫做網路網際網路土地管理系統對不對這可以有效的然後瞭解目前現在27萬公頃的原保地的土地的現在的登記的情況是不是這個東西\n369785\t380075\t對,我們現在可以很方便讓主委透過我們的網路了解我們對受理有關原住民土地尤其是保留地的整個進度都可以上網來做查詢\n382081\t402098\t這個系統非常好,因為本席覺得他不單單是可以管理土地,他甚至還可以有效的了解到我們這個獨特能力的工作情況,因為這個部分能夠持續的話也能夠更確實的來協助鄉鎮公所在我們聯保地的管理這塊能夠有幫助,所以本席是建議這個系統\n403819\t405060\t委員我們這個部分吼\n415049\t438548\t那個我們才剛開完全國性的這些土燈人眼的研習營那我們會提起他們基層所以網路上到底怎麼作業方式有沒有需要經營的地方我們會每年都會做一個定時的改進所以隨時改進都可以所以本席問這個就是因為其實很多鄉鎮其實常常發生土燈人眼的一些工作業務的狀況跟民眾有一些誤解\n442989\t471309\t確實這一塊本席也是建議如果能夠在這個系統上做有效的管理的話也可以適時的發現說這個月這個鄉鎮公所或這個縣市政府你的土墩情況然後原民會趕快適時進入來協助那也不要引起民怨我想這個是美意啦希望不要因為原民會的這個美意反而造成鄉鎮公所的困擾本席的意思是這邊那主委這邊是不是可以也能夠會後來要求我們會理念就這個系統來做一個檢討\n472190\t473535\t好,這個我們會定時來做個檢討。謝主委吼,最另外\n478576\t504545\t本期想要問一個問題這可能跟原民會這邊不是直接的業務但是主委你是原住民業務的最高的這個管理人會的主管我想要問一下關於公務人員的薪資就是原鄉公務人員薪資給付這個部分本期跟主委來分享關於台東縣的公務人員的薪資加給的部分有就分為四個不同的項目主委你猜哪四個嗎\n505731\t533569\t大概光是原住民就有分山地鄉跟像大武跟那個就不一樣了是不是很了解嘛一個台東縣有四個方法嘛離島佳籍、東台佳籍、偏遠佳籍、山地佳籍一本是以前所在的大武鄉來說好了大武鄉的公園員的新所定的叫做東台佳籍隔一條路過去就有達蘭鄉他是山地鄉他就是山地佳籍這會造成什麼情況公園員他會選擇性的去報到或是服務嗎\n534409\t551810\t我想這個部分雖然這個跟原住民會議沒有關係可是我覺得在未來在施政中也能夠事實上能夠反映反而一個區域有四個不同的市民這也很奇怪那我想這也是增加人才流動最重要的方式而不是用我們的家籍去把它分開主委您有沒有這一點\n552711\t572354\t的確其實我也遇到很多個案是這樣他寧可選擇山地鄉來做報告因為他的價值比一般的價值還更多所以這個部分的確是我們應該要整個來整個檢討到底怎麼樣讓原住民在適當的地方取得適當的待遇這是很重要的\n572774\t586749\t是甚至本席再建議一個就是說我們剛才提到張委員講到的母語部分母語應該是要鼓勵所以不只是原住民連漢人朋友也要來鼓勵他們來考證照所以給他相關的一些鼓勵措施好像\n587950\t615308\t臺東其實原漢的生活形狀在一塊了甚至有一些漢人朋友他長期跟原住民相處他也會講母語應該要鼓勵他讓他有這個講母語的環境而不是上完課回家你去家裡你甚至會跟人家講母語所以母語推動其實還是有需要加強的地方這個部分本期我是建議原住民社會可以做討論未來在推動母語傳也可以列為公務人員的一個鼓勵的方法\n616158\t631931\t委員我跟您報告原民會現在每個月的擴大主管會報我們是鼓勵我們的主管用各組的主義來報告那我們只要用耳機聽我都會聽到他在講什麼也因為這樣一年多之後我們這個中規處的處長\n635734\t643896\t本期本來要去考的啦因為時間沒有認證沒有去考我覺得這個是鼓勵啦這是鼓勵班文化人員應該要推廣給大家知道不管你是哪一個族群本期認為只要在這一塊土地上\n654799\t679333\t生存的、生活的每一個人都應該去了解注重多大文化這個未來我覺得也是可以在我們市政上能夠做跟其他的局處來做一些溝通比如說觀光這一塊記得本期的近期跟那個藍綠的冰板舟的文化因為不懂文化而觸犯到的我覺得這個都可以避免都可以避免那這是以上是本期的一些建議有一些問題我想會再跟主委這邊來就教\n680334\t681257\t謝謝黃建斌委員的支持。\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請我們委員會主委有請一將主委歡迎委員好主委早安來後來喔\n主委想跟主委討論一下關於一些原鄉的一些原住民的一些問題雖然本席是漢人的身分但因為本席之前在大武鄉擔任過鄉長所以大武鄉是一個漢源共治一個區域所以本席就我們在過去的經驗裡面看到一些問題來跟主委這邊來做個討論好請委員指教\n所以目前我們原住民的人口大概是59萬那涉及在山地鄉大概16萬人那涉及在平地鄉的是13萬人那涉及在都會區的有29萬人那現在意味著我們大概一半的原住民的同胞都在都會區生活是這個數字是正確的嗎?是的 是目前已經有將近一半的原住民遷移到都市了那這個原因是為什麼?\n我想主要應該是就業機會比較多也是因為工作嘛對不對工作因素決定人口的移動嘛那主委我們在會裡面這邊有推動地方創生那地方創生的核心是在做島內移民的這件事情對不對\n那就目前為止我們現在這一段我們推動的地方創生那主委要不要來跟大家分享一下目前的成效有關地方創生我們在很多地方都開始推動包括委員的服務的台東縣我們在督蘭的這個部落呢也有在推地方創生的這個業務在其他地方也有類似這種推案\n講到督覽除了剛好我們那個順便來瞭解一下在2006年的時候蔡總統提出要在督覽做一個事辦守個自治區不知道到目前為止我們在進入到哪邊\n總統委員報告其實都攬部落的自治的部分其實在廖國東還在任命的時候我們都積極的跟部落的頭目怎麼樣建構屬於部落的自治那目前這個部分我們持續跟都攬部落頭目做一個共識的建立除了那個蔡總統都要卸任的都還沒有一個方向嗎\n我們繼續努力我們也希望是能夠朝這方向那今天我們繼續回到地方創生這一塊地方創生裡面主要針對這個人口增加進行的研究我想本席這邊要留心一下我們現在補助給各鄉鎮的軟硬體資源到底有沒有實質幫助到原鄉人口的回流讓它社會增加的現象產生\n跟委員報告其實我們這幾年光是經濟產業的獎勵我們有所謂的百萬創業就是鼓勵年輕人在原鄉做一個創業那我們會提供一百萬左右的創業來獎勵他們那目前已經有這個180個青年回到原鄉來做創業的臺東那個地方也很多是這樣子的\n是是本席所在的到鄉也有拿過這個計畫的年輕人但本席是建議說這樣方向很好要持續我想除了硬體的設施以外最重要的是有沒有什麼樣的方式可以讓年輕人回鄉來工作我想人才是重點在本席擔任國際擔任鄉長任內我們推動的地方創生裡面其實我們除了硬體的增加以外也增加一些讓能夠就業的工作機會因為只有人回來他才有辦法發展\n不然我們編列這麼多的原住民保留地其實沒有人跟做沒有人開發對人口增加其實沒有幫助的這本席這邊的來建議不然光是你看我們跟都會去來比光是一個生意補助就真的完全沒有辦法都被打趴了所以更不要講說人才回流這件事情光人回來都是一個問題\n那另外本席再就叫我們主委主委我們曾經有召開過這個原住民自治徵詢會議是不是是這個會議是都到各鄉鎮去辦理還是在哪裡辦理應該這樣分啦\n在自治徵詢會議其實常年都在各部落來推動那目前比較具體的做法是比如像委員服務的臺東縣的蘭嶼我們已經讓他們更具體跟鄉長跟代表跟議員還有部落的祈禱做下來到底要怎麼推\n屬於亞美族的自治這個部分我們仔細在推動當中大部分都是到各鄉鎮去辦那像北南主持到北南鄉屋守嘛但我記得那個阿美族好像是在台北這邊辦嘛\n是這樣嗎雖然這個原轉會不是原民會這邊的業務但是也是跟主任提醒一下應該是到下鄉能夠聽聽其他的聲音我想這樣比較貼切OK那最後我們再想一下就是關於土地這一塊我們聊到土地原保地大概是在原民會裡面很重要的一個業務那北企記得原民會有編列一些預算來聘請專業人員來協助鄉民公所辦理這件事情對不對\n對我們有所謂的土地登記人員我想我們委員當鄉長的時候應該也有在你的公所裡面也有土地登記人員這樣的一個編制是所以那個人民會應該有我記得有一個系統叫做網路網際網路土地管理系統對不對這可以有效的然後瞭解目前現在27萬公頃的原保地的土地的現在的登記的情況是不是這個東西\n對,我們現在可以很方便讓主委透過我們的網路了解我們對受理有關原住民土地尤其是保留地的整個進度都可以上網來做查詢\n這個系統非常好,因為本席覺得他不單單是可以管理土地,他甚至還可以有效的了解到我們這個獨特能力的工作情況,因為這個部分能夠持續的話也能夠更確實的來協助鄉鎮公所在我們聯保地的管理這塊能夠有幫助,所以本席是建議這個系統\n委員我們這個部分吼\n那個我們才剛開完全國性的這些土燈人眼的研習營那我們會提起他們基層所以網路上到底怎麼作業方式有沒有需要經營的地方我們會每年都會做一個定時的改進所以隨時改進都可以所以本席問這個就是因為其實很多鄉鎮其實常常發生土燈人眼的一些工作業務的狀況跟民眾有一些誤解\n確實這一塊本席也是建議如果能夠在這個系統上做有效的管理的話也可以適時的發現說這個月這個鄉鎮公所或這個縣市政府你的土墩情況然後原民會趕快適時進入來協助那也不要引起民怨我想這個是美意啦希望不要因為原民會的這個美意反而造成鄉鎮公所的困擾本席的意思是這邊那主委這邊是不是可以也能夠會後來要求我們會理念就這個系統來做一個檢討\n好,這個我們會定時來做個檢討。謝主委吼,最另外\n本期想要問一個問題這可能跟原民會這邊不是直接的業務但是主委你是原住民業務的最高的這個管理人會的主管我想要問一下關於公務人員的薪資就是原鄉公務人員薪資給付這個部分本期跟主委來分享關於台東縣的公務人員的薪資加給的部分有就分為四個不同的項目主委你猜哪四個嗎\n大概光是原住民就有分山地鄉跟像大武跟那個就不一樣了是不是很了解嘛一個台東縣有四個方法嘛離島佳籍、東台佳籍、偏遠佳籍、山地佳籍一本是以前所在的大武鄉來說好了大武鄉的公園員的新所定的叫做東台佳籍隔一條路過去就有達蘭鄉他是山地鄉他就是山地佳籍這會造成什麼情況公園員他會選擇性的去報到或是服務嗎\n我想這個部分雖然這個跟原住民會議沒有關係可是我覺得在未來在施政中也能夠事實上能夠反映反而一個區域有四個不同的市民這也很奇怪那我想這也是增加人才流動最重要的方式而不是用我們的家籍去把它分開主委您有沒有這一點\n的確其實我也遇到很多個案是這樣他寧可選擇山地鄉來做報告因為他的價值比一般的價值還更多所以這個部分的確是我們應該要整個來整個檢討到底怎麼樣讓原住民在適當的地方取得適當的待遇這是很重要的\n是甚至本席再建議一個就是說我們剛才提到張委員講到的母語部分母語應該是要鼓勵所以不只是原住民連漢人朋友也要來鼓勵他們來考證照所以給他相關的一些鼓勵措施好像\n臺東其實原漢的生活形狀在一塊了甚至有一些漢人朋友他長期跟原住民相處他也會講母語應該要鼓勵他讓他有這個講母語的環境而不是上完課回家你去家裡你甚至會跟人家講母語所以母語推動其實還是有需要加強的地方這個部分本期我是建議原住民社會可以做討論未來在推動母語傳也可以列為公務人員的一個鼓勵的方法\n委員我跟您報告原民會現在每個月的擴大主管會報我們是鼓勵我們的主管用各組的主義來報告那我們只要用耳機聽我都會聽到他在講什麼也因為這樣一年多之後我們這個中規處的處長\n本期本來要去考的啦因為時間沒有認證沒有去考我覺得這個是鼓勵啦這是鼓勵班文化人員應該要推廣給大家知道不管你是哪一個族群本期認為只要在這一塊土地上\n生存的、生活的每一個人都應該去了解注重多大文化這個未來我覺得也是可以在我們市政上能夠做跟其他的局處來做一些溝通比如說觀光這一塊記得本期的近期跟那個藍綠的冰板舟的文化因為不懂文化而觸犯到的我覺得這個都可以避免都可以避免那這是以上是本期的一些建議有一些問題我想會再跟主委這邊來就教\n謝謝黃建斌委員的支持。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.420 --> 00:11.704\n謝謝主席有請我們委員會主委有請一將主委歡迎委員好主委早安來後來喔\n\n00:21.260 --> 00:42.085\n主委想跟主委討論一下關於一些原鄉的一些原住民的一些問題雖然本席是漢人的身分但因為本席之前在大武鄉擔任過鄉長所以大武鄉是一個漢源共治一個區域所以本席就我們在過去的經驗裡面看到一些問題來跟主委這邊來做個討論好請委員指教\n\n00:45.146 --> 01:12.175\n所以目前我們原住民的人口大概是59萬那涉及在山地鄉大概16萬人那涉及在平地鄉的是13萬人那涉及在都會區的有29萬人那現在意味著我們大概一半的原住民的同胞都在都會區生活是這個數字是正確的嗎?是的是目前已經有將近一半的原住民遷移到都市了那這個原因是為什麼?\n\n01:13.308 --> 01:33.979\n我想主要應該是就業機會比較多也是因為工作嘛對不對工作因素決定人口的移動嘛那主委我們在會裡面這邊有推動地方創生那地方創生的核心是在做島內移民的這件事情對不對\n\n01:35.680 --> 02:02.330\n那就目前為止我們現在這一段我們推動的地方創生那主委要不要來跟大家分享一下目前的成效有關地方創生我們在很多地方都開始推動包括委員的服務的台東縣我們在督蘭的這個部落呢也有在推地方創生的這個業務在其他地方也有類似這種推案\n\n02:03.883 --> 02:18.510\n講到督覽除了剛好我們那個順便來瞭解一下在2006年的時候蔡總統提出要在督覽做一個事辦守個自治區不知道到目前為止我們在進入到哪邊\n\n02:19.731 --> 02:42.091\n總統委員報告其實都攬部落的自治的部分其實在廖國東還在任命的時候我們都積極的跟部落的頭目怎麼樣建構屬於部落的自治那目前這個部分我們持續跟都攬部落頭目做一個共識的建立除了那個蔡總統都要卸任的都還沒有一個方向嗎\n\n02:42.918 --> 03:07.028\n我們繼續努力我們也希望是能夠朝這方向那今天我們繼續回到地方創生這一塊地方創生裡面主要針對這個人口增加進行的研究我想本席這邊要留心一下我們現在補助給各鄉鎮的軟硬體資源到底有沒有實質幫助到原鄉人口的回流讓它社會增加的現象產生\n\n03:08.817 --> 03:34.624\n跟委員報告其實我們這幾年光是經濟產業的獎勵我們有所謂的百萬創業就是鼓勵年輕人在原鄉做一個創業那我們會提供一百萬左右的創業來獎勵他們那目前已經有這個180個青年回到原鄉來做創業的臺東那個地方也很多是這樣子的\n\n03:34.893 --> 04:01.688\n是是本席所在的到鄉也有拿過這個計畫的年輕人但本席是建議說這樣方向很好要持續我想除了硬體的設施以外最重要的是有沒有什麼樣的方式可以讓年輕人回鄉來工作我想人才是重點在本席擔任國際擔任鄉長任內我們推動的地方創生裡面其實我們除了硬體的增加以外也增加一些讓能夠就業的工作機會因為只有人回來他才有辦法發展\n\n04:02.068 --> 04:19.169\n不然我們編列這麼多的原住民保留地其實沒有人跟做沒有人開發對人口增加其實沒有幫助的這本席這邊的來建議不然光是你看我們跟都會去來比光是一個生意補助就真的完全沒有辦法都被打趴了所以更不要講說人才回流這件事情光人回來都是一個問題\n\n04:23.260 --> 04:37.676\n那另外本席再就叫我們主委主委我們曾經有召開過這個原住民自治徵詢會議是不是是這個會議是都到各鄉鎮去辦理還是在哪裡辦理應該這樣分啦\n\n04:40.399 --> 04:59.057\n在自治徵詢會議其實常年都在各部落來推動那目前比較具體的做法是比如像委員服務的臺東縣的蘭嶼我們已經讓他們更具體跟鄉長跟代表跟議員還有部落的祈禱做下來到底要怎麼推\n\n04:59.878 --> 05:13.579\n屬於亞美族的自治這個部分我們仔細在推動當中大部分都是到各鄉鎮去辦那像北南主持到北南鄉屋守嘛但我記得那個阿美族好像是在台北這邊辦嘛\n\n05:15.276 --> 05:38.452\n是這樣嗎雖然這個原轉會不是原民會這邊的業務但是也是跟主任提醒一下應該是到下鄉能夠聽聽其他的聲音我想這樣比較貼切OK那最後我們再想一下就是關於土地這一塊我們聊到土地原保地大概是在原民會裡面很重要的一個業務那北企記得原民會有編列一些預算來聘請專業人員來協助鄉民公所辦理這件事情對不對\n\n05:42.526 --> 06:08.204\n對我們有所謂的土地登記人員我想我們委員當鄉長的時候應該也有在你的公所裡面也有土地登記人員這樣的一個編制是所以那個人民會應該有我記得有一個系統叫做網路網際網路土地管理系統對不對這可以有效的然後瞭解目前現在27萬公頃的原保地的土地的現在的登記的情況是不是這個東西\n\n06:09.785 --> 06:20.075\n對,我們現在可以很方便讓主委透過我們的網路了解我們對受理有關原住民土地尤其是保留地的整個進度都可以上網來做查詢\n\n06:22.081 --> 06:42.098\n這個系統非常好,因為本席覺得他不單單是可以管理土地,他甚至還可以有效的了解到我們這個獨特能力的工作情況,因為這個部分能夠持續的話也能夠更確實的來協助鄉鎮公所在我們聯保地的管理這塊能夠有幫助,所以本席是建議這個系統\n\n06:43.819 --> 06:45.060\n委員我們這個部分吼\n\n06:55.049 --> 07:18.548\n那個我們才剛開完全國性的這些土燈人眼的研習營那我們會提起他們基層所以網路上到底怎麼作業方式有沒有需要經營的地方我們會每年都會做一個定時的改進所以隨時改進都可以所以本席問這個就是因為其實很多鄉鎮其實常常發生土燈人眼的一些工作業務的狀況跟民眾有一些誤解\n\n07:22.989 --> 07:51.309\n確實這一塊本席也是建議如果能夠在這個系統上做有效的管理的話也可以適時的發現說這個月這個鄉鎮公所或這個縣市政府你的土墩情況然後原民會趕快適時進入來協助那也不要引起民怨我想這個是美意啦希望不要因為原民會的這個美意反而造成鄉鎮公所的困擾本席的意思是這邊那主委這邊是不是可以也能夠會後來要求我們會理念就這個系統來做一個檢討\n\n07:52.190 --> 07:53.535\n好,這個我們會定時來做個檢討。謝主委吼,最另外\n\n07:58.576 --> 08:24.545\n本期想要問一個問題這可能跟原民會這邊不是直接的業務但是主委你是原住民業務的最高的這個管理人會的主管我想要問一下關於公務人員的薪資就是原鄉公務人員薪資給付這個部分本期跟主委來分享關於台東縣的公務人員的薪資加給的部分有就分為四個不同的項目主委你猜哪四個嗎\n\n08:25.731 --> 08:53.569\n大概光是原住民就有分山地鄉跟像大武跟那個就不一樣了是不是很了解嘛一個台東縣有四個方法嘛離島佳籍、東台佳籍、偏遠佳籍、山地佳籍一本是以前所在的大武鄉來說好了大武鄉的公園員的新所定的叫做東台佳籍隔一條路過去就有達蘭鄉他是山地鄉他就是山地佳籍這會造成什麼情況公園員他會選擇性的去報到或是服務嗎\n\n08:54.409 --> 09:11.810\n我想這個部分雖然這個跟原住民會議沒有關係可是我覺得在未來在施政中也能夠事實上能夠反映反而一個區域有四個不同的市民這也很奇怪那我想這也是增加人才流動最重要的方式而不是用我們的家籍去把它分開主委您有沒有這一點\n\n09:12.711 --> 09:32.354\n的確其實我也遇到很多個案是這樣他寧可選擇山地鄉來做報告因為他的價值比一般的價值還更多所以這個部分的確是我們應該要整個來整個檢討到底怎麼樣讓原住民在適當的地方取得適當的待遇這是很重要的\n\n09:32.774 --> 09:46.749\n是甚至本席再建議一個就是說我們剛才提到張委員講到的母語部分母語應該是要鼓勵所以不只是原住民連漢人朋友也要來鼓勵他們來考證照所以給他相關的一些鼓勵措施好像\n\n09:47.950 --> 10:15.308\n臺東其實原漢的生活形狀在一塊了甚至有一些漢人朋友他長期跟原住民相處他也會講母語應該要鼓勵他讓他有這個講母語的環境而不是上完課回家你去家裡你甚至會跟人家講母語所以母語推動其實還是有需要加強的地方這個部分本期我是建議原住民社會可以做討論未來在推動母語傳也可以列為公務人員的一個鼓勵的方法\n\n10:16.158 --> 10:31.931\n委員我跟您報告原民會現在每個月的擴大主管會報我們是鼓勵我們的主管用各組的主義來報告那我們只要用耳機聽我都會聽到他在講什麼也因為這樣一年多之後我們這個中規處的處長\n\n10:35.734 --> 10:43.896\n本期本來要去考的啦因為時間沒有認證沒有去考我覺得這個是鼓勵啦這是鼓勵班文化人員應該要推廣給大家知道不管你是哪一個族群本期認為只要在這一塊土地上\n\n10:54.799 --> 11:19.333\n生存的、生活的每一個人都應該去了解注重多大文化這個未來我覺得也是可以在我們市政上能夠做跟其他的局處來做一些溝通比如說觀光這一塊記得本期的近期跟那個藍綠的冰板舟的文化因為不懂文化而觸犯到的我覺得這個都可以避免都可以避免那這是以上是本期的一些建議有一些問題我想會再跟主委這邊來就教\n\n11:20.334 --> 11:21.257\n謝謝黃建斌委員的支持。\n\n","segments":[{"start":7.42,"end":11.704,"text":"謝謝主席有請我們委員會主委有請一將主委歡迎委員好主委早安來後來喔"},{"start":21.26,"end":42.085,"text":"主委想跟主委討論一下關於一些原鄉的一些原住民的一些問題雖然本席是漢人的身分但因為本席之前在大武鄉擔任過鄉長所以大武鄉是一個漢源共治一個區域所以本席就我們在過去的經驗裡面看到一些問題來跟主委這邊來做個討論好請委員指教"},{"start":45.146,"end":72.175,"text":"所以目前我們原住民的人口大概是59萬那涉及在山地鄉大概16萬人那涉及在平地鄉的是13萬人那涉及在都會區的有29萬人那現在意味著我們大概一半的原住民的同胞都在都會區生活是這個數字是正確的嗎?是的 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