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00:03:23,171\n會受到剝奪他們的權利所以主委認為如何突破呢剛才你有說因為有這樣子的落差問題所以我們是知道有這樣落差問題是不是我們要如何去解決委員是不是請我們實際辦理的處長因為他本身也是住在阿里山到底那個整個網路使用狀況跟委員做一個簡單報告好不好好麻煩你\n\n10\n00:03:25,511 --> 00:03:44,446\n委員報告就是我們目前有推動這個iTRIBE就愛部落的措施就針對這個我們的商業用的這個電信網路無法普及的地方我們透過就設置AP的方式然後提供免費的無線網路那目前736個部落已經有636個部落都已經有建置了\n\n11\n00:03:47,108 --> 00:04:08,198\n那我們建制的原則就是說我們只要建制在這個部落我們是至少要達到涵蓋率百分之八十是百分之八十的地區他都是可以涵蓋的所以他當然他沒有辦法說百分之百因為資源跟這個經費的因素所以但是我們會盡量在目前我們會調查目前還有不足的地方會再去加強的這個部分好謝謝\n\n12\n00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:11,139\n有些縣市的教育軟體與相關硬體仍然不足\n\n13\n00:04:25,726 --> 00:04:32,272\n目前就是要希望更多但是有一些縣市有有一些縣市沒有就像我們看到的現在的像我們臺中跟桃園我們就會有一些的補助但是呢我們每一個縣市都有我們的原住民所以為了讓更多人受益主委認為是原住民是不是可以我們的原委會\n\n14\n00:04:52,028 --> 00:05:12,047\n可以統籌關於數位落差的補助還有各縣市補助的金額的不同這樣是不是會更好支援整合還有希望每一個不管上帝原住民還是平地原住民都可以收回\n\n15\n00:05:13,489 --> 00:05:25,840\n這個部分我們會在持續跟我們的教育部在這個部分的整個教學的這個部分的這個落差來做一個協調讓整個補助會更公平這個我們來一起努力\n\n16\n00:05:26,633 --> 00:05:29,817\n是因為我們希望說資源整合還有就是說我們資訊要不打就像很多人就說我們是原住民有很多我們的經費但是呢沒有去普遍去說明的話我們原住民的朋友他們就不懂怎麼去申請又怕核銷麻煩\n\n17\n00:05:46,656 --> 00:06:08,721\n所以很多人都說像我們新住民、原住民只要我們漢人貼一張說我照顧新住民我照顧原住民就可以來申請經費就會有這樣子的問題存在希望說我們要來原委會這邊的話有來去管理這樣子的話對我們真正的照顧這個落實的照顧到我們原住民\n\n18\n00:06:09,850 --> 00:06:18,757\n我們這個部分會仔細的讓我們的信息讓每一個原住民都可以充分了解也獲得同樣的這個補助的標準是拜託我們主委因為大學社會責任的踏實計劃還有就是我們教育部的相關的計劃\n\n19\n00:06:29,346 --> 00:06:46,516\n原民會針對這樣子的計畫是否有參與協助有沒有掌握不同的部會在原住民辦理這些計畫的執行成果還有說有沒有建立出一個平台一個整合的資料\n\n20\n00:06:47,506 --> 00:07:11,479\n跟委員報告其實我們這幾年剛剛我們的召委高經緯也提到其實很多原住民的業務是跨部會的所以我們大概現在定期都會跟跨部會包括交易部、農委會、衛福部都會跨平台的溝通會議雖然不一定把所有的問題都逐一解決但是我們都會定時做一個分工合作的檢討\n\n21\n00:07:13,058 --> 00:07:35,919\n是沒有有就是大家是跨部會來去來去討論但是所以這個成果都是就是跨部會後來去來去報告的有沒有是落實來到在地的輔導因為剛才我講就是因為很多人都變成是專業學生所以希望說我們要\n\n22\n00:07:37,913 --> 00:07:44,135\n輔導大家成為師資成為是主導的來去申請這些計劃這樣才是真正的後續發展還有讓我們真正的原住民來主導不是說有懂的人來去指導因為很多人都說我們原住民很多錢所以我們來懂的人來去賺不懂的人的錢\n\n23\n00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:13,045\n所以我聽到的是這樣的現象因為我在靜怡大學是去讀研究所的時候80%的原住民的同學他們都是說很多費用都是懂的人來申請變成我們不懂我們永遠當學生希望這個部分我們原委會要來協助\n\n24\n00:08:27,894 --> 00:08:34,574\n讓我們學以致用讓我們是有後續發展這樣才真正的達到學習的功能\n\n25\n00:08:35,630 --> 00:09:00,378\n更為報告其實以原民會的業務我們受理補助的對象都是要具有原住民身份的才可以來上課的具有原民身份但是申請經費沒有限制是嗎是這樣的照我知道申請只要你的章程有照顧新原住民你就可以如果是學校的話是民間團體\n\n26\n00:09:01,658 --> 00:09:27,981\n各個各個就是應該不會有這個現象才對我們都是以原住民的身份優先做補助因為有邀請我去當講師的我是看很多都是各個民間團體的單位所以呢不是真的是原住民的朋友所以我是看到的是說來上課的就是原住民的朋友變成就是一直來上課變成專業學生\n\n27\n00:09:29,693 --> 00:09:47,507\n不是專業講師所以是我看到的是這樣希望說我們有後續發展也讓我們原住民朋友就是自己有在這樣子的受惠才真正的照顧到我們的族民這樣好不好如果說委員有時間的話我會後請我們的同仁\n\n28\n00:09:49,708 --> 00:10:11,624\n當面跟委員請一道理像靜怡大學這些學生或是你接觸的原住民有遇到什麼樣的問題我們願意再進一步跟他們做一個說明讓他們獲得更完整的資訊來獲得政府的補助希望我們委員會主動主動跟業者還有主管機構提出建議還有要求以上報告謝謝謝謝委員\n\n29\n00:10:16,104 --> 00:10:18,829\n好,非常謝謝麥一貞委員的質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7287\t13439\t聖主席有請顏明慧主委我們有請姜主委\n19188\t42564\t麥委員好想要請教主委一下因為現在資訊時代來臨所以數位發展是快速但是我們很多就是在民眾在階級的背景種族還要種族還要禁忌居住的地方不同所以為了避免資訊\n44125\t72181\t平復不均的形象越來越嚴重以及公平保障每一個人都能夠參與資訊的社會應該如何消除數位落差的非常的重要所以我們接下來我們進一步探討就是我們要找出問題解決問題因為今天我們的原住民的朋友有很多都是我的學長\n73382\t92011\t在那個淨宇大學那邊所以要想要請教一下所以我們在2012年的數位落差的調查報告原住民的家戶連網路就是用基礎的手機就是4G或者5G的行動但是呢\n93612\t113590\t很多家庭裡面的寬屏還有顯示原住民居住的地方確實有數位落差的問題。主委認為如何落實提升原住民族群交互的網路的效率。\n114569\t139992\t麥委員所提到的確因為原住民居住的環境是比較偏遠的地方所以網路的這個通路比我們在都市地區比較落後一點但是我們這幾年透過我們的I部落這個I tribe的整個我們的網路的建置其實我們在每一個部落幾乎都已經有建置這個網路的使用那當然家庭端這個部分可能還要再加強\n141238\t163133\t是,所以真的是為了解決原住民的失智啦,失智所以是不好找嘛,所以在裡就說就是地方的問題所以在我們在資料這邊的看來不管是山地原住民或者平地原住民家中的無法上網\n163473\t165715\t原住民的地區的學生根本沒辦法在家就是演劇學習的或者補課所以導致\n181172\t203171\t會受到剝奪他們的權利所以主委認為如何突破呢剛才你有說因為有這樣子的落差問題所以我們是知道有這樣落差問題是不是我們要如何去解決委員是不是請我們實際辦理的處長因為他本身也是住在阿里山到底那個整個網路使用狀況跟委員做一個簡單報告好不好好麻煩你\n205511\t224446\t委員報告就是我們目前有推動這個iTRIBE就愛部落的措施就針對這個我們的商業用的這個電信網路無法普及的地方我們透過就設置AP的方式然後提供免費的無線網路那目前736個部落已經有636個部落都已經有建置了\n227108\t248198\t那我們建制的原則就是說我們只要建制在這個部落我們是至少要達到涵蓋率百分之八十是百分之八十的地區他都是可以涵蓋的所以他當然他沒有辦法說百分之百因為資源跟這個經費的因素所以但是我們會盡量在目前我們會調查目前還有不足的地方會再去加強的這個部分好 謝謝\n250479\t251139\t有些縣市的教育軟體與相關硬體仍然不足\n265726\t272272\t目前就是要希望更多但是有一些縣市有有一些縣市沒有就像我們看到的現在的像我們臺中跟桃園我們就會有一些的補助但是呢我們每一個縣市都有我們的原住民所以為了讓更多人受益主委認為是原住民是不是可以我們的原委會\n292028\t312047\t可以統籌關於數位落差的補助還有各縣市補助的金額的不同這樣是不是會更好支援整合還有希望每一個不管上帝原住民還是平地原住民都可以收回\n313489\t325840\t這個部分我們會在持續跟我們的教育部在這個部分的整個教學的這個部分的這個落差來做一個協調讓整個補助會更公平這個我們來一起努力\n326633\t329817\t是因為我們希望說資源整合還有就是說我們資訊要不打就像很多人就說我們是原住民有很多我們的經費但是呢沒有去普遍去說明的話我們原住民的朋友他們就不懂怎麼去申請又怕核銷麻煩\n346656\t368721\t所以很多人都說像我們新住民、原住民只要我們漢人貼一張說我照顧新住民我照顧原住民就可以來申請經費就會有這樣子的問題存在希望說我們要來原委會這邊的話有來去管理這樣子的話對我們真正的照顧這個落實的照顧到我們原住民\n369850\t378757\t我們這個部分會仔細的讓我們的信息讓每一個原住民都可以充分了解也獲得同樣的這個補助的標準是拜託我們主委因為大學社會責任的踏實計劃還有就是我們教育部的相關的計劃\n389346\t406516\t原民會針對這樣子的計畫是否有參與協助有沒有掌握不同的部會在原住民辦理這些計畫的執行成果還有說有沒有建立出一個平台一個整合的資料\n407506\t431479\t跟委員報告其實我們這幾年剛剛我們的召委高經緯也提到其實很多原住民的業務是跨部會的所以我們大概現在定期都會跟跨部會包括交易部、農委會、衛福部都會跨平台的溝通會議雖然不一定把所有的問題都逐一解決但是我們都會定時做一個分工合作的檢討\n433058\t455919\t是沒有有就是大家是跨部會來去來去討論但是所以這個成果都是就是跨部會後來去來去報告的有沒有是落實來到在地的輔導因為剛才我講就是因為很多人都變成是專業學生所以希望說我們要\n457913\t464135\t輔導大家成為師資成為是主導的來去申請這些計劃這樣才是真正的後續發展還有讓我們真正的原住民來主導不是說有懂的人來去指導因為很多人都說我們原住民很多錢所以我們來懂的人來去賺不懂的人的錢\n483200\t493045\t所以我聽到的是這樣的現象因為我在靜怡大學是去讀研究所的時候80%的原住民的同學他們都是說很多費用都是懂的人來申請變成我們不懂我們永遠當學生希望這個部分我們原委會要來協助\n507894\t514574\t讓我們學以致用讓我們是有後續發展這樣才真正的達到學習的功能\n515630\t540378\t更為報告其實以原民會的業務我們受理補助的對象都是要具有原住民身份的才可以來上課的具有原民身份但是申請經費沒有限制是嗎是這樣的照我知道申請只要你的章程有照顧新原住民你就可以如果是學校的話是民間團體\n541658\t567981\t各個各個就是應該不會有這個現象才對我們都是以原住民的身份優先做補助因為有邀請我去當講師的我是看很多都是各個民間團體的單位所以呢不是真的是原住民的朋友所以我是看到的是說來上課的就是原住民的朋友變成就是一直來上課變成專業學生\n569693\t587507\t不是專業講師所以是我看到的是這樣希望說我們有後續發展也讓我們原住民朋友就是自己有在這樣子的受惠才真正的照顧到我們的族民這樣好不好如果說委員有時間的話我會後請我們的同仁\n589708\t611624\t當面跟委員請一道理像靜怡大學這些學生或是你接觸的原住民有遇到什麼樣的問題我們願意再進一步跟他們做一個說明讓他們獲得更完整的資訊來獲得政府的補助希望我們委員會主動主動跟業者還有主管機構提出建議還有要求以上報告 謝謝謝謝委員\n616104\t618829\t好,非常謝謝麥一貞委員的質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝。\n","txt":"聖主席有請顏明慧主委我們有請姜主委\n麥委員好想要請教主委一下因為現在資訊時代來臨所以數位發展是快速但是我們很多就是在民眾在階級的背景種族還要種族還要禁忌居住的地方不同所以為了避免資訊\n平復不均的形象越來越嚴重以及公平保障每一個人都能夠參與資訊的社會應該如何消除數位落差的非常的重要所以我們接下來我們進一步探討就是我們要找出問題解決問題因為今天我們的原住民的朋友有很多都是我的學長\n在那個淨宇大學那邊所以要想要請教一下所以我們在2012年的數位落差的調查報告原住民的家戶連網路就是用基礎的手機就是4G或者5G的行動但是呢\n很多家庭裡面的寬屏還有顯示原住民居住的地方確實有數位落差的問題。主委認為如何落實提升原住民族群交互的網路的效率。\n麥委員所提到的確因為原住民居住的環境是比較偏遠的地方所以網路的這個通路比我們在都市地區比較落後一點但是我們這幾年透過我們的I部落這個I tribe的整個我們的網路的建置其實我們在每一個部落幾乎都已經有建置這個網路的使用那當然家庭端這個部分可能還要再加強\n是,所以真的是為了解決原住民的失智啦,失智所以是不好找嘛,所以在裡就說就是地方的問題所以在我們在資料這邊的看來不管是山地原住民或者平地原住民家中的無法上網\n原住民的地區的學生根本沒辦法在家就是演劇學習的或者補課所以導致\n會受到剝奪他們的權利所以主委認為如何突破呢剛才你有說因為有這樣子的落差問題所以我們是知道有這樣落差問題是不是我們要如何去解決委員是不是請我們實際辦理的處長因為他本身也是住在阿里山到底那個整個網路使用狀況跟委員做一個簡單報告好不好好麻煩你\n委員報告就是我們目前有推動這個iTRIBE就愛部落的措施就針對這個我們的商業用的這個電信網路無法普及的地方我們透過就設置AP的方式然後提供免費的無線網路那目前736個部落已經有636個部落都已經有建置了\n那我們建制的原則就是說我們只要建制在這個部落我們是至少要達到涵蓋率百分之八十是百分之八十的地區他都是可以涵蓋的所以他當然他沒有辦法說百分之百因為資源跟這個經費的因素所以但是我們會盡量在目前我們會調查目前還有不足的地方會再去加強的這個部分好 謝謝\n有些縣市的教育軟體與相關硬體仍然不足\n目前就是要希望更多但是有一些縣市有有一些縣市沒有就像我們看到的現在的像我們臺中跟桃園我們就會有一些的補助但是呢我們每一個縣市都有我們的原住民所以為了讓更多人受益主委認為是原住民是不是可以我們的原委會\n可以統籌關於數位落差的補助還有各縣市補助的金額的不同這樣是不是會更好支援整合還有希望每一個不管上帝原住民還是平地原住民都可以收回\n這個部分我們會在持續跟我們的教育部在這個部分的整個教學的這個部分的這個落差來做一個協調讓整個補助會更公平這個我們來一起努力\n是因為我們希望說資源整合還有就是說我們資訊要不打就像很多人就說我們是原住民有很多我們的經費但是呢沒有去普遍去說明的話我們原住民的朋友他們就不懂怎麼去申請又怕核銷麻煩\n所以很多人都說像我們新住民、原住民只要我們漢人貼一張說我照顧新住民我照顧原住民就可以來申請經費就會有這樣子的問題存在希望說我們要來原委會這邊的話有來去管理這樣子的話對我們真正的照顧這個落實的照顧到我們原住民\n我們這個部分會仔細的讓我們的信息讓每一個原住民都可以充分了解也獲得同樣的這個補助的標準是拜託我們主委因為大學社會責任的踏實計劃還有就是我們教育部的相關的計劃\n原民會針對這樣子的計畫是否有參與協助有沒有掌握不同的部會在原住民辦理這些計畫的執行成果還有說有沒有建立出一個平台一個整合的資料\n跟委員報告其實我們這幾年剛剛我們的召委高經緯也提到其實很多原住民的業務是跨部會的所以我們大概現在定期都會跟跨部會包括交易部、農委會、衛福部都會跨平台的溝通會議雖然不一定把所有的問題都逐一解決但是我們都會定時做一個分工合作的檢討\n是沒有有就是大家是跨部會來去來去討論但是所以這個成果都是就是跨部會後來去來去報告的有沒有是落實來到在地的輔導因為剛才我講就是因為很多人都變成是專業學生所以希望說我們要\n輔導大家成為師資成為是主導的來去申請這些計劃這樣才是真正的後續發展還有讓我們真正的原住民來主導不是說有懂的人來去指導因為很多人都說我們原住民很多錢所以我們來懂的人來去賺不懂的人的錢\n所以我聽到的是這樣的現象因為我在靜怡大學是去讀研究所的時候80%的原住民的同學他們都是說很多費用都是懂的人來申請變成我們不懂我們永遠當學生希望這個部分我們原委會要來協助\n讓我們學以致用讓我們是有後續發展這樣才真正的達到學習的功能\n更為報告其實以原民會的業務我們受理補助的對象都是要具有原住民身份的才可以來上課的具有原民身份但是申請經費沒有限制是嗎是這樣的照我知道申請只要你的章程有照顧新原住民你就可以如果是學校的話是民間團體\n各個各個就是應該不會有這個現象才對我們都是以原住民的身份優先做補助因為有邀請我去當講師的我是看很多都是各個民間團體的單位所以呢不是真的是原住民的朋友所以我是看到的是說來上課的就是原住民的朋友變成就是一直來上課變成專業學生\n不是專業講師所以是我看到的是這樣希望說我們有後續發展也讓我們原住民朋友就是自己有在這樣子的受惠才真正的照顧到我們的族民這樣好不好如果說委員有時間的話我會後請我們的同仁\n當面跟委員請一道理像靜怡大學這些學生或是你接觸的原住民有遇到什麼樣的問題我們願意再進一步跟他們做一個說明讓他們獲得更完整的資訊來獲得政府的補助希望我們委員會主動主動跟業者還有主管機構提出建議還有要求以上報告 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