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00:01:07,282\n聽起來你覺得說這個特別條例也許不一定那麼需要可是我要特別講一下以目前來說我們今天特別在審環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案這部分有一個很大的重點就是我們希望整個高鐵這部分有一個上位的計畫所以我們看到的不只是交通建設的部分我們希望看到的部分還對整個區域均衡的一個發展觀光活動產業發展都會有一些幫助\n\n4\n00:01:07,922 --> 00:01:22,650\n所以我們今天提這個部分其實是有一個很大的一個意義那因為當我們這樣有一個上位計畫出來之後的時候呢我們對整個全島整個全島的一日生活圈它也許就會有一些不一樣的看法\n\n5\n00:01:23,490 --> 00:01:47,170\n對於整個東部的民眾來說他們也可以看到他們的希望在什麼地方可以看到一個全貌那目前逐段評估我就對這部分其實沒有辦法去滿足的那因為您剛剛也特別提到了就是對於整個東部的交通你是支持的那對於我們這個環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案這個部分是我們立法院的權責所以你也都尊重嘛對不對\n\n6\n00:01:48,811 --> 00:02:09,957\n這完全沒有理解你的表示嘛對不對那我想特別講,其實坦白說這個環島高鐵這件事情不只是交通部王國材部長多次的表示他不是夢,他是一個可以去執行的事情,那包括\n\n7\n00:02:10,657 --> 00:02:11,037\n主委認不認同這樣的一個部分?\n\n8\n00:02:40,113 --> 00:02:54,169\n報告委員,事實上您剛才講的整個運輸整個整體國家的運輸事實上交通部他會定期的出所謂運輸政策白皮書會把您剛剛提到的那些是顧慮在裡面因為我在想說當我們現在特別會\n\n9\n00:02:59,134 --> 00:02:59,635\n新竹清軌計畫提出\n\n10\n00:03:29,115 --> 00:03:33,562\n公共運輸運用的比例大概有多少?主委知不知道?\n\n11\n00:03:37,003 --> 00:04:02,442\n就是說我現在知道的輕軌的部分是有已經在大溪谷計畫裡面有納入了兩條輕軌的計畫已經納進去了就是紅線跟藍線嘛對不對所以那個既然納進去了我們就會按照我剛才講既有的程序那地方政府跟交通部就會循這個可行進行研究開始做研究研究要交給我們審議我們審議會會整機關審議結完以後復格行政院行政院核定以後就會進入綜合規劃\n\n12\n00:04:03,763 --> 00:04:04,464\n大新竹輕軌國發會大力支持\n\n13\n00:04:17,203 --> 00:04:37,120\n大力支持嘛對不對那我想特別提到因為整個目前大新竹地區大家對於整個公共運輸的運用的比例只有6.1%大概全國很低的一個比例大部分的人都還是用自己的交通工具那我覺得當時也特別提到就是整個大新竹這個\n\n14\n00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:39,279\n新竹縣市與科管局\n\n15\n00:04:58,923 --> 00:05:17,220\n提出了一個方案希望在明年提出一個那個整個評估報告規劃出來那我想特別提到就是整個這個財務分配的部分因為對於整軌道交通的時候財務對於地方來講是一個很大的負擔那我看了一下我們新竹市政府113年度的一個\n\n16\n00:05:18,861 --> 00:05:26,986\n稅出預算只有281.7億元,扣除固定人事費、業務等經費,經常性支出有233.46億元,所剩無幾。\n\n17\n00:05:34,731 --> 00:05:54,651\n新竹這一邊目前要承擔的部分光是紅線的部分就要197.6億元對地方上來講是沒有辦法負擔的所以本席認為說就是針對這個部分那麼中央這邊是不是有其他的一個補助的方案是不是有其他的一個方式可以來解決協助地方政府來解決這個問題\n\n18\n00:05:55,892 --> 00:06:21,681\n報告委員,我們所有的經費都是務實的做一些規劃,現在是這樣就是說,通常你一個捷運系統,它如果有自償性的部分,那自償性因為它會有收入,所以那個部分就會扣掉,那個是將來營運會回補嗎?是,這個部分坦白說自償性就是當時很多地方政府覺得沒有辦法去發展軌道交通很重要的一個考量,所以我們才認為對於整個地方\n\n19\n00:06:22,361 --> 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