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00:01:17,300\n所以這個是很讓國人值得非常驕傲的這個成績那我們也希望說中科院能繼續的維持也繼續的這個前進那在這個亞洲國家裡面在國防自主成績比較卓越應該說是非常卓越的這個國家當然就是\n\n5\n00:01:18,041 --> 00:01:23,544\n南韓跟台灣一樣有著地緣政治的衝突所以很早很早以前南韓就已經意識到不能夠長期的仰賴國外所以他要強化國家自我防衛的能力所以韓國\n\n6\n00:01:38,312 --> 00:01:43,076\n他在這個國防自主跟研發軍備這個方面長期以來一直都是這個南韓很重要的這個策略那尤其這幾年我們發現他們在軍售市場上成為這個國際上一個非常耀眼的一顆星星那去年像這個韓國他也得到這個斯德哥爾摩\n\n7\n00:01:58,787 --> 00:01:58,807\n請問部長\n\n8\n00:02:27,568 --> 00:02:53,968\n我跟委員報告,陳宗光委員所講的,工業技術是很重要的,我們國家處境的緣故,所以最近可以看到南韓,南韓一開頭不管是各種發展,有些是當初也是跟我們一樣,從一點點規模甚至與外購完全靠這個來。國防自主不光是南韓,我們最為重要,各國只要有能力,都期望能夠有國防自主。\n\n9\n00:02:54,808 --> 00:03:16,243\n所以目前我們累積的經驗以後可以發學成效不易但南韓他的累積經驗我們拿過來以後對我們來講也是一個很大的進步而且也當初有些他從我們這邊學過去的所以我們可以發學從我們這邊學過去的對不過就不光是以敵為師以各國各專業為師這都是有必要的\n\n10\n00:03:17,183 --> 00:03:34,892\n對於未來我們如何發展,我想還持續一樣要按照國防自主的一個概念,多方面去考驗,一方面研發,再方面外購,還有從其他國家獲得比我們更好的做法,我們一樣要當一個範例來做學習。\n\n11\n00:03:38,712 --> 00:03:54,340\n韓國當然是很值得我們學習的一個國家尤其部長你剛才提到說他有些還是跟我國來做學習可是他現在卻是超越了台灣那之前我有看到中科院有說了一句話他就是說\n\n12\n00:03:55,380 --> 00:04:08,575\n我們行有餘力的話將創業以來所累積的科技經驗評估要轉化為民生用途機會然後協助技術轉移以提升產業的能量讓民間有能力到國際市長大\n\n13\n00:04:09,957 --> 00:04:34,299\n打世界盃,這個打世界盃是可以明確的說一下說未來我們的方向是什麼嗎?請問院長我坦白講,任何一樣東西,你加入你有這個產品,你有這個能力做,對不對?他發言人家做比我更好,我跟他合作,這樣的話技術會提升,提升原因在哪裡?把這個市場擴大。但我們這個軍事方面的,我們不能講變成一個好像軍事上的國家\n\n14\n00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:35,120\n好,請院長\n\n15\n00:04:55,337 --> 00:05:07,134\n謝謝委員報告委員其實最重要一句話就是我要輔導國內的廠商成為世界各國大廠的供應鏈才能進軍國際市場我的意思是說因為我們如果在國內我們自己廠商來做採購我覺得這還不夠\n\n16\n00:05:12,341 --> 00:05:26,792\n我們輔導就是希望他我舉個例子現在最成熟的例子就是我們當初用公約公和公和的美元點我們計轉了中間計轉愛國者的紫天線那現在已經甚至都成功了將來我把這個技術啊我帶領的輔導給國內界我要成為\n\n17\n00:05:30,509 --> 00:05:38,314\n所以院長的意思是說對於這些可能一些機組零件等等我們會成為美國的供應鏈嗎?是這樣子的意思嗎?可能還不止機組零件對,回到系統是系統\n\n18\n00:05:54,184 --> 00:05:58,247\n這部分因為韓國很值得我們去參考這部分的話可能就是要邀請國防部跟中科院來做這個研究\n\n19\n00:06:17,361 --> 00:06:22,723\nOK好那院長請回那下一個議題我想請教部長就是其實剛剛我們的沈伯陽委員其實有提到有提到所謂的這個國軍的這個木林計劃那像從2023年到2024年今年我們看到從屏東也好基隆也好花蓮台東其實都有發生這個在地的這個民眾呢\n\n20\n00:06:44,731 --> 00:06:44,771\n：羅美玲\n\n21\n00:07:11,641 --> 00:07:11,661\n請問部長\n\n22\n00:07:31,216 --> 00:07:53,543\n陳榮光委員講到我們遇到的困難是唯獨在我們中央民國臺灣會遇到的國家你要訓練的話是必要但是會干擾到民眾這也是事實所以國訓在這幾年進了很大的努力不管從噪音捕場或者只要這個地方有造成民眾困擾的或者疑慮的我們都做一個怎麼樣來捕場來補救\n\n23\n00:07:55,464 --> 00:08:16,761\n但我們要除了這以外,我們自己作為有很大的調整。以前一天要打幾點到幾點,我們把它給限縮了。但是未來我沒有辦法完全滿足它當地的需要。本來這個錢只能夠做一個公務方面。大家有些人要求,我家裏面受到的傷害也應該要有。\n\n24\n00:08:17,682 --> 00:08:33,493\n但這都有法規而且這法規定的不是國防部來定是跟各地方政府或者相關部門噪音啊等等防制的這些部門都已經有一個合理的法規譬如說我這個錢要發到地方的\n\n25\n00:08:34,153 --> 00:08:58,400\n一定是一個鄉鎮事工所,它不是給縣政府,這也是從以前經營的累積,那給你怎麼用,以前還有一個方法,只能夠用在公務方面,所以居民也會抱怨,公務不外乎有道路、路燈、水溝等等,他們也希望分到各家,也有這個案子分到各家,但分到各家叫輪啦,\n\n26\n00:08:59,460 --> 00:09:01,282\n併請國防部部長邱國正、經濟部次長報告\n\n27\n00:09:18,661 --> 00:09:39,137\n他一定有個時間的壓力,這五年就如此,分完才能改成下一個方法。這也是一個規定,我們假如說可以克服中途要怎麼調,找一個合理的方法,而且沒有違法的話,國防部當然樂見。主要講不要造成民間的怨懟,我們期望就是這樣子。\n\n28\n00:09:42,199 --> 00:10:09,005\n其實部長應該也講了好幾個重點除了剛剛你所提到的話要用輪的方式所以很多人都一直等不到這個補償也都有那再來還有一點就是說那民眾其實還有反映過一個問題就是說就像剛剛部長所講的很多我們都是經費啦我們就下放給這個地方鄉鎮公所嘛那其實他們反映這些問題呢其實也是要經過鄉鎮公所不是直接就可以跟軍方來做這個反映\n\n29\n00:10:10,245 --> 00:10:33,824\n所以輾轉之下其實真的是耗時礦日所以他們就覺得說這個深宿的這個管道其實也是非常的漫長又要經過鄉鎮公所所以也有提到就是說我們有沒有辦法就是說在這些訓練場或是說流料庫這附近其實我們是不是有一個可以讓民眾可以直接跟軍方接觸的類似一個服務站之類的比較直接這有沒有辦法呢\n\n30\n00:10:34,344 --> 00:10:56,707\n反映問題這部分他們也覺得說非常的曠日廢時這有沒有辦法就是說能夠及時的處理國防委員報告地方我們在各地的不管指揮部也好一定有跟民間溝通一個管道至於屏東那邊在哪裡我想說不管是後備指揮部或者三軍聯軍基地它絕對有這個窗口這第一個第二個民眾他們期望一下\n\n31\n00:10:57,708 --> 00:11:01,274\n但我跟委員報他提出個人的問題來的話都一個普遍性的都跟地方有關\n\n32\n00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:28,489\n所以假如說五個同樣的內岸的問題我們為甚麼發給經過鄉鎮事工所一整個變成一個大的共同一解決以後這五戶通通解決了我沒有辦法一個一個來一個一個來的話那為甚麼他可以我不可以\n\n33\n00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:55,737\n會有這個問題我們以前用很多方法不斷在努力但是民眾我們不能想要怪罪他所求不斷也有原因所以基本上我跟委員報告我們有認定他們要怎麼樣但我們一定是一個原則希望大家能夠協助我們軍方訓練正常運作我們要改進但我也期望地方他們能夠不能想要他配合\n\n34\n00:11:56,237 --> 00:11:56,437\n李卓人議員\n\n35\n00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:46,220\n是我是覺得說這個睦鄰政策還是真的是要通盤的檢討尤其是說現在民眾其實對於生活品質的這個要求跟自我的這個提升我想這個投訴以後越來越多我想軍方不得不留意那往後要怎麼跟在地居民互動我想應該這部分要去做演繹對OK我也會請各家地方的這個軍事單位給他確認哪幾個里鄰或者哪有問題一定要讓他知道\n\n36\n00:12:46,880 --> 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報告委員其實最重要一句話就是我要輔導國內的廠商成為世界各國大廠的供應鏈才能進軍國際市場我的意思是說因為我們如果在國內我們自己廠商來做採購我覺得這還不夠\n312341\t326792\t我們輔導就是希望他我舉個例子現在最成熟的例子就是我們當初用公約公和公和的美元點我們計轉了中間計轉愛國者的紫天線那現在已經甚至都成功了將來我把這個技術啊我帶領的輔導給國內界我要成為\n330509\t338314\t所以院長的意思是說對於這些可能一些機組零件等等我們會成為美國的供應鏈嗎?是這樣子的意思嗎?可能還不止機組零件對,回到系統是系統\n354184\t358247\t這部分因為韓國很值得我們去參考這部分的話可能就是要邀請國防部跟中科院來做這個研究\n377361\t382723\tOK好那院長請回那下一個議題我想請教部長就是其實剛剛我們的沈伯陽委員其實有提到有提到所謂的這個國軍的這個木林計劃那像從2023年到2024年今年我們看到從屏東也好基隆也好花蓮台東其實都有發生這個在地的這個民眾呢\n404731\t404771\t：羅美玲\n431641\t431661\t請問部長\n451216\t473543\t陳榮光委員講到我們遇到的困難是唯獨在我們中央民國臺灣會遇到的國家你要訓練的話是必要但是會干擾到民眾這也是事實所以國訓在這幾年進了很大的努力不管從噪音捕場或者只要這個地方有造成民眾困擾的或者疑慮的我們都做一個怎麼樣來捕場來補救\n475464\t496761\t但我們要除了這以外,我們自己作為有很大的調整。以前一天要打幾點到幾點,我們把它給限縮了。但是未來我沒有辦法完全滿足它當地的需要。本來這個錢只能夠做一個公務方面。大家有些人要求,我家裏面受到的傷害也應該要有。\n497682\t513493\t但這都有法規而且這法規定的不是國防部來定是跟各地方政府或者相關部門噪音啊等等防制的這些部門都已經有一個合理的法規譬如說我這個錢要發到地方的\n514153\t538400\t一定是一個鄉鎮事工所,它不是給縣政府,這也是從以前經營的累積,那給你怎麼用,以前還有一個方法,只能夠用在公務方面,所以居民也會抱怨,公務不外乎有道路、路燈、水溝等等,他們也希望分到各家,也有這個案子分到各家,但分到各家叫輪啦,\n539460\t541282\t併請國防部部長邱國正、經濟部次長報告\n558661\t579137\t他一定有個時間的壓力,這五年就如此,分完才能改成下一個方法。這也是一個規定,我們假如說可以克服中途要怎麼調,找一個合理的方法,而且沒有違法的話,國防部當然樂見。主要講不要造成民間的怨懟,我們期望就是這樣子。\n582199\t609005\t其實部長應該也講了好幾個重點除了剛剛你所提到的話要用輪的方式所以很多人都一直等不到這個補償也都有那再來還有一點就是說那民眾其實還有反映過一個問題就是說就像剛剛部長所講的很多我們都是經費啦我們就下放給這個地方鄉鎮公所嘛那其實他們反映這些問題呢其實也是要經過鄉鎮公所不是直接就可以跟軍方來做這個反映\n610245\t633824\t所以輾轉之下其實真的是耗時礦日所以他們就覺得說這個深宿的這個管道其實也是非常的漫長又要經過鄉鎮公所所以也有提到就是說我們有沒有辦法就是說在這些訓練場或是說流料庫這附近其實我們是不是有一個可以讓民眾可以直接跟軍方接觸的類似一個服務站之類的比較直接這有沒有辦法呢\n634344\t656707\t反映問題這部分他們也覺得說非常的曠日廢時這有沒有辦法就是說能夠及時的處理國防委員報告地方我們在各地的不管指揮部也好一定有跟民間溝通一個管道至於屏東那邊在哪裡我想說不管是後備指揮部或者三軍聯軍基地它絕對有這個窗口這第一個第二個民眾他們期望一下\n657708\t661274\t但我跟委員報他提出個人的問題來的話都一個普遍性的都跟地方有關\n672389\t688489\t所以假如說五個同樣的內岸的問題我們為甚麼發給經過鄉鎮事工所一整個變成一個大的共同一解決以後這五戶通通解決了我沒有辦法一個一個來一個一個來的話那為甚麼他可以我不可以\n689310\t715737\t會有這個問題我們以前用很多方法不斷在努力但是民眾我們不能想要怪罪他所求不斷也有原因所以基本上我跟委員報告我們有認定他們要怎麼樣但我們一定是一個原則希望大家能夠協助我們軍方訓練正常運作我們要改進但我也期望地方他們能夠不能想要他配合\n716237\t716437\t李卓人議員\n739139\t766220\t是 我是覺得說這個睦鄰政策還是真的是要通盤的檢討尤其是說現在民眾其實對於生活品質的這個要求跟自我的這個提升我想這個投訴以後越來越多我想軍方不得不留意那往後要怎麼跟在地居民互動我想應該這部分要去做演繹對 OK我也會請各家地方的這個軍事單位給他確認哪幾個里鄰或者哪有問題一定要讓他知道\n766880\t771049\t我們要跟誰反映這個問題中者,儘快給你答覆。\n","txt":"羅委員好\n國防自主政策推動具體成效暨未來目標\n這幾年我們確實在國機國造跟國建國造這部分我們有看到一些具體的成績甚至2022年我們中科院還成為臺灣首家登入國際權威機構就是瑞典斯德哥爾摩和平研究所的軍工企業百強中的第60名\n所以這個是很讓國人值得非常驕傲的這個成績那我們也希望說中科院能繼續的維持也繼續的這個前進那在這個亞洲國家裡面在國防自主成績比較卓越應該說是非常卓越的這個國家當然就是\n南韓跟台灣一樣有著地緣政治的衝突所以很早很早以前南韓就已經意識到不能夠長期的仰賴國外所以他要強化國家自我防衛的能力所以韓國\n他在這個國防自主跟研發軍備這個方面長期以來一直都是這個南韓很重要的這個策略那尤其這幾年我們發現他們在軍售市場上成為這個國際上一個非常耀眼的一顆星星那去年像這個韓國他也得到這個斯德哥爾摩\n請問部長\n我跟委員報告,陳宗光委員所講的,工業技術是很重要的,我們國家處境的緣故,所以最近可以看到南韓,南韓一開頭不管是各種發展,有些是當初也是跟我們一樣,從一點點規模甚至與外購完全靠這個來。國防自主不光是南韓,我們最為重要,各國只要有能力,都期望能夠有國防自主。\n所以目前我們累積的經驗以後可以發學成效不易但南韓他的累積經驗我們拿過來以後對我們來講也是一個很大的進步而且也當初有些他從我們這邊學過去的所以我們可以發學從我們這邊學過去的對不過就不光是以敵為師以各國各專業為師這都是有必要的\n對於未來我們如何發展,我想還持續一樣要按照國防自主的一個概念,多方面去考驗,一方面研發,再方面外購,還有從其他國家獲得比我們更好的做法,我們一樣要當一個範例來做學習。\n韓國當然是很值得我們學習的一個國家尤其部長你剛才提到說他有些還是跟我國來做學習可是他現在卻是超越了台灣那之前我有看到中科院有說了一句話他就是說\n我們行有餘力的話將創業以來所累積的科技經驗評估要轉化為民生用途機會然後協助技術轉移以提升產業的能量讓民間有能力到國際市長大\n打世界盃,這個打世界盃是可以明確的說一下說未來我們的方向是什麼嗎?請問院長我坦白講,任何一樣東西,你加入你有這個產品,你有這個能力做,對不對?他發言人家做比我更好,我跟他合作,這樣的話技術會提升,提升原因在哪裡?把這個市場擴大。但我們這個軍事方面的,我們不能講變成一個好像軍事上的國家\n好,請院長\n謝謝委員 報告委員其實最重要一句話就是我要輔導國內的廠商成為世界各國大廠的供應鏈才能進軍國際市場我的意思是說因為我們如果在國內我們自己廠商來做採購我覺得這還不夠\n我們輔導就是希望他我舉個例子現在最成熟的例子就是我們當初用公約公和公和的美元點我們計轉了中間計轉愛國者的紫天線那現在已經甚至都成功了將來我把這個技術啊我帶領的輔導給國內界我要成為\n所以院長的意思是說對於這些可能一些機組零件等等我們會成為美國的供應鏈嗎?是這樣子的意思嗎?可能還不止機組零件對,回到系統是系統\n這部分因為韓國很值得我們去參考這部分的話可能就是要邀請國防部跟中科院來做這個研究\nOK好那院長請回那下一個議題我想請教部長就是其實剛剛我們的沈伯陽委員其實有提到有提到所謂的這個國軍的這個木林計劃那像從2023年到2024年今年我們看到從屏東也好基隆也好花蓮台東其實都有發生這個在地的這個民眾呢\n：羅美玲\n請問部長\n陳榮光委員講到我們遇到的困難是唯獨在我們中央民國臺灣會遇到的國家你要訓練的話是必要但是會干擾到民眾這也是事實所以國訓在這幾年進了很大的努力不管從噪音捕場或者只要這個地方有造成民眾困擾的或者疑慮的我們都做一個怎麼樣來捕場來補救\n但我們要除了這以外,我們自己作為有很大的調整。以前一天要打幾點到幾點,我們把它給限縮了。但是未來我沒有辦法完全滿足它當地的需要。本來這個錢只能夠做一個公務方面。大家有些人要求,我家裏面受到的傷害也應該要有。\n但這都有法規而且這法規定的不是國防部來定是跟各地方政府或者相關部門噪音啊等等防制的這些部門都已經有一個合理的法規譬如說我這個錢要發到地方的\n一定是一個鄉鎮事工所,它不是給縣政府,這也是從以前經營的累積,那給你怎麼用,以前還有一個方法,只能夠用在公務方面,所以居民也會抱怨,公務不外乎有道路、路燈、水溝等等,他們也希望分到各家,也有這個案子分到各家,但分到各家叫輪啦,\n併請國防部部長邱國正、經濟部次長報告\n他一定有個時間的壓力,這五年就如此,分完才能改成下一個方法。這也是一個規定,我們假如說可以克服中途要怎麼調,找一個合理的方法,而且沒有違法的話,國防部當然樂見。主要講不要造成民間的怨懟,我們期望就是這樣子。\n其實部長應該也講了好幾個重點除了剛剛你所提到的話要用輪的方式所以很多人都一直等不到這個補償也都有那再來還有一點就是說那民眾其實還有反映過一個問題就是說就像剛剛部長所講的很多我們都是經費啦我們就下放給這個地方鄉鎮公所嘛那其實他們反映這些問題呢其實也是要經過鄉鎮公所不是直接就可以跟軍方來做這個反映\n所以輾轉之下其實真的是耗時礦日所以他們就覺得說這個深宿的這個管道其實也是非常的漫長又要經過鄉鎮公所所以也有提到就是說我們有沒有辦法就是說在這些訓練場或是說流料庫這附近其實我們是不是有一個可以讓民眾可以直接跟軍方接觸的類似一個服務站之類的比較直接這有沒有辦法呢\n反映問題這部分他們也覺得說非常的曠日廢時這有沒有辦法就是說能夠及時的處理國防委員報告地方我們在各地的不管指揮部也好一定有跟民間溝通一個管道至於屏東那邊在哪裡我想說不管是後備指揮部或者三軍聯軍基地它絕對有這個窗口這第一個第二個民眾他們期望一下\n但我跟委員報他提出個人的問題來的話都一個普遍性的都跟地方有關\n所以假如說五個同樣的內岸的問題我們為甚麼發給經過鄉鎮事工所一整個變成一個大的共同一解決以後這五戶通通解決了我沒有辦法一個一個來一個一個來的話那為甚麼他可以我不可以\n會有這個問題我們以前用很多方法不斷在努力但是民眾我們不能想要怪罪他所求不斷也有原因所以基本上我跟委員報告我們有認定他們要怎麼樣但我們一定是一個原則希望大家能夠協助我們軍方訓練正常運作我們要改進但我也期望地方他們能夠不能想要他配合\n李卓人議員\n是 我是覺得說這個睦鄰政策還是真的是要通盤的檢討尤其是說現在民眾其實對於生活品質的這個要求跟自我的這個提升我想這個投訴以後越來越多我想軍方不得不留意那往後要怎麼跟在地居民互動我想應該這部分要去做演繹對 OK我也會請各家地方的這個軍事單位給他確認哪幾個里鄰或者哪有問題一定要讓他知道\n我們要跟誰反映這個問題中者,儘快給你答覆。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:00.429\n羅委員好\n\n00:16.938 --> 00:17.559\n國防自主政策推動具體成效暨未來目標\n\n00:34.921 --> 00:39.785\n這幾年我們確實在國機國造跟國建國造這部分我們有看到一些具體的成績甚至2022年我們中科院還成為臺灣首家登入國際權威機構就是瑞典斯德哥爾摩和平研究所的軍工企業百強中的第60名\n\n00:59.759 --> 01:17.300\n所以這個是很讓國人值得非常驕傲的這個成績那我們也希望說中科院能繼續的維持也繼續的這個前進那在這個亞洲國家裡面在國防自主成績比較卓越應該說是非常卓越的這個國家當然就是\n\n01:18.041 --> 01:23.544\n南韓跟台灣一樣有著地緣政治的衝突所以很早很早以前南韓就已經意識到不能夠長期的仰賴國外所以他要強化國家自我防衛的能力所以韓國\n\n01:38.312 --> 01:43.076\n他在這個國防自主跟研發軍備這個方面長期以來一直都是這個南韓很重要的這個策略那尤其這幾年我們發現他們在軍售市場上成為這個國際上一個非常耀眼的一顆星星那去年像這個韓國他也得到這個斯德哥爾摩\n\n01:58.787 --> 01:58.807\n請問部長\n\n02:27.568 --> 02:53.968\n我跟委員報告,陳宗光委員所講的,工業技術是很重要的,我們國家處境的緣故,所以最近可以看到南韓,南韓一開頭不管是各種發展,有些是當初也是跟我們一樣,從一點點規模甚至與外購完全靠這個來。國防自主不光是南韓,我們最為重要,各國只要有能力,都期望能夠有國防自主。\n\n02:54.808 --> 03:16.243\n所以目前我們累積的經驗以後可以發學成效不易但南韓他的累積經驗我們拿過來以後對我們來講也是一個很大的進步而且也當初有些他從我們這邊學過去的所以我們可以發學從我們這邊學過去的對不過就不光是以敵為師以各國各專業為師這都是有必要的\n\n03:17.183 --> 03:34.892\n對於未來我們如何發展,我想還持續一樣要按照國防自主的一個概念,多方面去考驗,一方面研發,再方面外購,還有從其他國家獲得比我們更好的做法,我們一樣要當一個範例來做學習。\n\n03:38.712 --> 03:54.340\n韓國當然是很值得我們學習的一個國家尤其部長你剛才提到說他有些還是跟我國來做學習可是他現在卻是超越了台灣那之前我有看到中科院有說了一句話他就是說\n\n03:55.380 --> 04:08.575\n我們行有餘力的話將創業以來所累積的科技經驗評估要轉化為民生用途機會然後協助技術轉移以提升產業的能量讓民間有能力到國際市長大\n\n04:09.957 --> 04:34.299\n打世界盃,這個打世界盃是可以明確的說一下說未來我們的方向是什麼嗎?請問院長我坦白講,任何一樣東西,你加入你有這個產品,你有這個能力做,對不對?他發言人家做比我更好,我跟他合作,這樣的話技術會提升,提升原因在哪裡?把這個市場擴大。但我們這個軍事方面的,我們不能講變成一個好像軍事上的國家\n\n04:35.080 --> 04:35.120\n好,請院長\n\n04:55.337 --> 05:07.134\n謝謝委員報告委員其實最重要一句話就是我要輔導國內的廠商成為世界各國大廠的供應鏈才能進軍國際市場我的意思是說因為我們如果在國內我們自己廠商來做採購我覺得這還不夠\n\n05:12.341 --> 05:26.792\n我們輔導就是希望他我舉個例子現在最成熟的例子就是我們當初用公約公和公和的美元點我們計轉了中間計轉愛國者的紫天線那現在已經甚至都成功了將來我把這個技術啊我帶領的輔導給國內界我要成為\n\n05:30.509 --> 05:38.314\n所以院長的意思是說對於這些可能一些機組零件等等我們會成為美國的供應鏈嗎?是這樣子的意思嗎?可能還不止機組零件對,回到系統是系統\n\n05:54.184 --> 05:58.247\n這部分因為韓國很值得我們去參考這部分的話可能就是要邀請國防部跟中科院來做這個研究\n\n06:17.361 --> 06:22.723\nOK好那院長請回那下一個議題我想請教部長就是其實剛剛我們的沈伯陽委員其實有提到有提到所謂的這個國軍的這個木林計劃那像從2023年到2024年今年我們看到從屏東也好基隆也好花蓮台東其實都有發生這個在地的這個民眾呢\n\n06:44.731 --> 06:44.771\n：羅美玲\n\n07:11.641 --> 07:11.661\n請問部長\n\n07:31.216 --> 07:53.543\n陳榮光委員講到我們遇到的困難是唯獨在我們中央民國臺灣會遇到的國家你要訓練的話是必要但是會干擾到民眾這也是事實所以國訓在這幾年進了很大的努力不管從噪音捕場或者只要這個地方有造成民眾困擾的或者疑慮的我們都做一個怎麼樣來捕場來補救\n\n07:55.464 --> 08:16.761\n但我們要除了這以外,我們自己作為有很大的調整。以前一天要打幾點到幾點,我們把它給限縮了。但是未來我沒有辦法完全滿足它當地的需要。本來這個錢只能夠做一個公務方面。大家有些人要求,我家裏面受到的傷害也應該要有。\n\n08:17.682 --> 08:33.493\n但這都有法規而且這法規定的不是國防部來定是跟各地方政府或者相關部門噪音啊等等防制的這些部門都已經有一個合理的法規譬如說我這個錢要發到地方的\n\n08:34.153 --> 08:58.400\n一定是一個鄉鎮事工所,它不是給縣政府,這也是從以前經營的累積,那給你怎麼用,以前還有一個方法,只能夠用在公務方面,所以居民也會抱怨,公務不外乎有道路、路燈、水溝等等,他們也希望分到各家,也有這個案子分到各家,但分到各家叫輪啦,\n\n08:59.460 --> 09:01.282\n併請國防部部長邱國正、經濟部次長報告\n\n09:18.661 --> 09:39.137\n他一定有個時間的壓力,這五年就如此,分完才能改成下一個方法。這也是一個規定,我們假如說可以克服中途要怎麼調,找一個合理的方法,而且沒有違法的話,國防部當然樂見。主要講不要造成民間的怨懟,我們期望就是這樣子。\n\n09:42.199 --> 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