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--> 00:01:41,180\n當然我們可以承認這幾年下來北部、中部、南部等等交通的建設以及任何的規劃我個人當然要肯定你們\n\n5\n00:01:42,196 --> 00:02:07,611\n可是看過還有一個東部地區也就是花東要提環塊阿你們也不高興要提高鐵阿你們也不高興那請問一下東部的人難道不是中華民國的花蓮跟屏東嗎所以我為什麼本席特別要拜託你\n\n6\n00:02:08,351 --> 00:02:31,245\n因為這些藍圖都是在你的業務之管轄範圍當然如果在這個部分我們國化會對於這些離島的交通建設這是最後一塊板塊耶主委所以我個人的看法不曉得主委對這整\n\n7\n00:02:32,566 --> 00:02:58,047\n整個交通發展的板塊跟經濟的連結,主委,你有什麼看法?班委員,現在就是說王國燦部長有提到說環島高鐵不是夢那如果是這樣的一個發展趨勢的話那交通部可能在他的規劃裡面盡快的把他的這個可能的研究報告或可行性的部分把它勾勒出來\n\n8\n00:02:58,948 --> 00:03:20,078\n那他會送到行政院,行政院會交易給我們來做審議。那如果說這個真的是可行,我們當然是不僅是支持,而且還幫忙做協調的工作,這個就是我們可以做的。主委,那我現在很冒昧的請教你,現在不管是環塊或者高鐵,你個人贊不贊同?\n\n9\n00:03:21,858 --> 00:03:41,813\n發言委員,就是說,我們現在就是說,因為我們是審議機關,所以就是要看到那個時期……不是,你審議機關沒錯啦,本席現在很冒昧直接問你,你對於這些東部地區的鐵道路或快速道路的建議案,\n\n10\n00:03:44,485 --> 00:04:13,338\n你個人有什麼看法?交通部他們在交通建設事實上對東部的交通建設投入也經費非常多我剛才提到我沒有跟你談經費的問題嘛你們投入的經費那麼多但是效果不髒嘛所以他們才要提這些但是像不管是高速鐵路或高速快速道路通通都是地區發展的部分所以當然因為我很尊重\n\n11\n00:04:14,618 --> 00:04:14,859\n主席\n\n12\n00:04:30,799 --> 00:04:52,115\n主委,你個人...我個人來講是臺灣任何地方只要有這樣的需求,我們就盡量來支持。但是支持就是它要有一些過程、條件。主委,你不用再說那些啦,你個人基本上是支持東部交通的發展嘛,對不對?\n\n13\n00:04:53,716 --> 00:05:18,275\n所以這個當然你個人是支持至於政策如何當然你還是要尊重行政院長他的最後決定但是以你看法你就是沒有反對沒有反對環島快速或者環島鐵路嘛所以你不不反對但是就要看交通部來福政次來\n\n14\n00:05:21,595 --> 00:05:24,839\n主委是不反對請問你們部長喔剛剛我還問他過這個部分來\n\n15\n00:05:30,285 --> 00:05:56,763\n福政次你認為我現在問你你個人你們部長已經講過不是夢可是看起來是真的夢那為什麼立法委員提出這些建設政策的時候你們還講說這個是違憲啊不然這個是行不通啊為什麼來你們同不同意這個案子是委員所提的是環島高鐵嗎對好這個部分\n\n16\n00:06:00,825 --> 00:06:22,077\n環島高鐵補充這個補上去宜蘭到屏東的這一段跟現有的這個環島連成一個環這個方向我不要跟你講屏東我現在講的是花東我知道屏東那些東西我已經肯定你們啊你們有在進步有在做有在規劃那你現在就是花東這個問題今天我們談的是這個問題\n\n17\n00:06:24,958 --> 00:06:31,308\n你幹嘛要給我扯到那邊去呢?不是,我跟委員講的是一樣的,我說花燈會從屏東那邊連過來,我講的是這件事情。那我跟你講,你這個太勉強了嘛,你太勉強啦。\n\n18\n00:06:39,054 --> 00:06:59,708\n副市長,我跟你講,你要怎麼連,不管,我就要看你心態。我們主委他已經認為,個人認為,交通建設只要為台灣人好,他們都同意做。是,跟委員你講的一樣,表達同意只要交通建設對地區性發展有利,我們一定支持。\n\n19\n00:07:01,231 --> 00:07:01,511\n法定人數不足\n\n20\n00:07:23,259 --> 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