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00:02:57,644\n跟委員報告就是我們在去年年底的時候請各縣政府提報我們公路系統因為還有其他的市區道路系統公路系統的部分我們收到25座局長我的意思就是說我希望知道一下U3等級\n\n9\n00:02:58,775 --> 00:03:14,850\n全台灣需要改善那他可能是中央管也可能是地方管我想要知道中央管有多少座U3地方管多少座U3那我們打算要多久的時間把這些U3等級需要改善的把它改善完畢\n\n10\n00:03:15,563 --> 00:03:38,759\n是跟委員報告我們這個U3的我們公路局沒有我們公路局沒有就是說這個要這個U3的部分那地方的在這一個去年我們年底的時候請他們就是說這個檢測通報的話是提報了25座那一般來說的話其實是一年內要做相關的改善好換言之把這25座搞定之後我們沒有U3U4了對不對應該這麼說嗎\n\n11\n00:03:43,422 --> 00:03:43,622\n好那我們目前啊\n\n12\n00:04:11,099 --> 00:04:15,381\n我記得在2016年左右我們跟國家實驗研究院有做斷橋預警系統現在我們運用在橋樑的狀況數量有多少?\n\n13\n00:04:29,943 --> 00:04:33,085\n國研院是做降雨和橋樑沖刷的模擬系統目前預警有合作研究五座研究的效果怎麼樣\n\n14\n00:04:51,095 --> 00:05:13,254\n他大概就是說因為是一個模擬系統就是依照降雨的狀況那模擬之後的話其實如果說這個強降雨的話在這一個如果說對於這個橋樑有影響的話在6小時前他會有預警的效果如何效果如何我覺得其實是很好因為我們我們公路局目前也有相關的警戒指很好\n\n15\n00:05:14,395 --> 00:05:37,345\n我們到目前為止還只是只有裝5座那為什麼我們他很好為什麼我們不多加利用呢因為我們現在其實公務局也有另外就是說自己本身也有相關的一個預警系統那所以其實公務員上面跟他的這個我們會再跟他們再做相關的一個這個討論跟比較\n\n16\n00:05:38,886 --> 00:05:56,333\n對那價格誰好因為目前其實我們的系統我們自己本身已經就是說相關的包括預測跟這個預警警戒跟行動詞我們其實已經都有了啦那這個部分\n\n17\n00:05:57,453 --> 00:06:21,401\n高空局有沒有可以來高空局請委員報告齁那其實來講說這套系統它是其實來講是最好的應用是事後檢討啦它不是說那個當場的一個方法因為它是知道說洞闖的一個情形沒關係沒關係那個我其實沒有我對於兩者之間我沒有興趣啦我只是站在人民的角度我希望當暴雨來的時候國家可以提早告訴我這條橋不能走\n\n18\n00:06:23,623 --> 00:06:27,130\n那你們誰的系統好到底是什麼問題為什麼只有裝這個目前的監測橋樑的監測狀態是如何我想要知道是這個\n\n19\n00:06:34,155 --> 00:07:01,353\n目前來講因為他那個兩萬多座橋樑裡面值得裝監測系統的橋樑目前有在做的大概就是像那個我們幾個濁水溪河系的比如說台三線的民間大橋或是我們那個濁水溪橋或者是說那個我們在大甲溪橋這個地方有沒有沒有關係我只是希望知道到底有多少座橋你們可以有進行這個所謂監測然後接著可以預警\n\n20\n00:07:01,803 --> 00:07:15,968\n因為每一個橋的狀況不一樣沒關係沒關係你只要告訴我有多少座就好了那目前來講的話我們大概就是選幾個沒有關係你選了幾個我們現在國道部分是濁水溪橋跟大甲溪橋好兩個\n\n21\n00:07:18,291 --> 00:07:37,401\n所以換言之我們的橋樑裡面有預警系統這樣全台灣不論是你們自己的系統加這個所謂國家實驗研究院的系統這樣加錢有多少監測跟委員報告就是說國研院是兩個那我們其他的每一座橋都有那個也就是說我們的水位觀測的一個監測系統就是說是人工監測還是電腦監測目前大概都是電腦就是說直接監測就是說水高低於1.5公尺的時候就有預警\n\n22\n00:07:44,651 --> 00:08:10,660\n對那多少你們認為只有用水位監測的系統達到多高的水位時候就叫這個橋就要封閉了對我們出水高低於1.5的時候就要封閉了就封閉了是所以換言之我們每一座橋樑的這幾乎都有監測對這個部分都會監測是吧好對那我的意思只是要問你說齁這個當時我們叫做2016年首創全球第一個斷橋預警系統\n\n23\n00:08:12,182 --> 00:08:33,710\n那我只是說斷甲預警系統就我所知道有5個地方你們做了這個測試那我只是希望你們要好好的檢討這5個斷甲系統測試的結果是好是壞啦那為什麼只有5個為什麼你們不做500個那表示它這個預警系統是不是會來得比你們只監測水位來得好\n\n24\n00:08:34,977 --> 00:08:55,380\n我希望你們這個做一個報告給我啦就是為什麼我們到底它是什麼原因譬如說預警系統一個這個架構的成本可能非常高高到嚇死人的地步所以交通部無法籌措這個經費還是說這個預警系統其實不好沒有什麼太大的用處所以我們裝了五個之後我們就決定不裝了\n\n25\n00:08:56,926 --> 00:09:07,030\n所以我的意思是說科技啊它可以解決很多我們談極端氣候嘛所以極端氣候我們希望透過減碳的方式來讓極端氣候減緩\n\n26\n00:09:09,929 --> 00:09:33,895\n但是我們因應極端氣候我們要有把科技的方法引進那斷橋的問題其實每一次當汛期或者暴雨的時候我們其實大家都很緊張我作為民意代表我也很緊張常常在大甲溪跟大安溪的橋頭陪著在地的里長跟鄉親那有沒有可能在所有的橋樑上面到底它什麼原因我們的監測狀況是如何\n\n27\n00:09:35,855 --> 00:09:39,539\n最後大甲溪跟大安溪本溪過去一直常年在爭取這兩個橋樑市場已經非常久了又是台一線主要的交通動脈\n\n28\n00:09:58,217 --> 00:10:16,765\n當時承諾我2027年要完工,差不多60天,2027年完工,這個時間有沒有問題?2027年底要完工?這個部分的話就是說因為可行性評估過了,我們現在正在做設計,時間有遷就嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:20,794 --> 00:10:20,934\n好謝謝蔡委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4878\t30670\t謝謝主席請交通部王部長請王部長蔡委好部長早安今天主席特別安排了極端氣候下我們所有交通因應跟所有的設施本席想要今天就叫在極端氣候底下我們的國內橋樑的問題\n35764\t46824\t我們大概中央管跟地方管的橋樑大概有多少座兩萬多座中央大概佔比多少\n48063\t55929\t目前橋樑我們做過檢測橋樑我們把它做一個分級從U1到U4目前對於哪一個等級的橋樑交通部列為要立刻處理\n77964\t79286\t2萬多座橋樑是U4等級的占比有多少?\n95945\t110540\t跟委員報告在109年到111年齁這個部分的話全國已經做過兩萬多座的一個盤點了那時候行政院的話其實有個專案計畫所以對於就是說期待要處理的部分當初已經處理了101座\n112262\t140608\t然後花了14億多所以當初處理完畢 處理完畢之後 112跟113的話其實是持續就各縣市政府還有這個中央管的橋樑做定期的檢測那定期檢測之後只要就是說發現U3我們沒有到U3的部分的話其實就要做相關的處理了那公路局在這個去年其實還發文給各縣市政府就是說我們會協助他們就是說如果處理U3以上的\n140908\t159410\t那目前就是說各縣政府有提報有25座那我們也就是說協助他們就是說做相關的一個這個經費的一個協助所以U4等級已經沒有了改善完畢了對在上次上一波的部分其實都已經檢測完了那現在U3等級有多少座待改善\n162419\t177644\t跟委員報告就是我們在去年年底的時候請各縣政府提報我們公路系統因為還有其他的市區道路系統公路系統的部分我們收到25座局長我的意思就是說我希望知道一下U3等級\n178775\t194850\t全台灣需要改善那他可能是中央管也可能是地方管我想要知道中央管有多少座U3地方管多少座U3那我們打算要多久的時間把這些U3等級需要改善的把它改善完畢\n195563\t218759\t是跟委員報告我們這個U3的我們公路局沒有我們公路局沒有就是說這個要這個U3的部分那地方的在這一個去年我們年底的時候請他們就是說這個檢測通報的話是提報了25座那一般來說的話其實是一年內要做相關的改善好換言之把這25座搞定之後我們沒有U3U4了對不對應該這麼說嗎\n223422\t223622\t好 那我們目前啊\n251099\t255381\t我記得在2016年左右我們跟國家實驗研究院有做斷橋預警系統現在我們運用在橋樑的狀況數量有多少?\n269943\t273085\t國研院是做降雨和橋樑沖刷的模擬系統目前預警有合作研究五座研究的效果怎麼樣\n291095\t313254\t他大概就是說因為是一個模擬系統就是依照降雨的狀況那模擬之後的話其實如果說這個強降雨的話在這一個如果說對於這個橋樑有影響的話在6小時前他會有預警的效果如何效果如何我覺得其實是很好因為我們我們公路局目前也有相關的警戒指很好\n314395\t337345\t我們到目前為止還只是只有裝5座那為什麼我們他很好為什麼我們不多加利用呢因為我們現在其實公務局也有另外就是說自己本身也有相關的一個預警系統那所以其實公務員上面跟他的這個我們會再跟他們再做相關的一個這個討論跟比較\n338886\t356333\t對 那價格誰好因為目前其實我們的系統我們自己本身已經就是說相關的包括預測跟這個預警警戒跟行動詞我們其實已經都有了啦那這個部分\n357453\t381401\t高空局有沒有可以來高空局請委員報告齁那其實來講說這套系統它是其實來講是最好的應用是事後檢討啦它不是說那個當場的一個方法因為它是知道說洞闖的一個情形沒關係沒關係那個我其實沒有我對於兩者之間我沒有興趣啦我只是站在人民的角度我希望當暴雨來的時候國家可以提早告訴我這條橋不能走\n383623\t387130\t那你們誰的系統好到底是什麼問題為什麼只有裝這個目前的監測橋樑的監測狀態是如何我想要知道是這個\n394155\t421353\t目前來講因為他那個兩萬多座橋樑裡面值得裝監測系統的橋樑目前有在做的大概就是像那個我們幾個濁水溪河系的比如說台三線的民間大橋或是我們那個濁水溪橋或者是說那個我們在大甲溪橋這個地方有沒有沒有關係我只是希望知道到底有多少座橋你們可以有進行這個所謂監測然後接著可以預警\n421803\t435968\t因為每一個橋的狀況不一樣沒關係沒關係你只要告訴我有多少座就好了那目前來講的話我們大概就是選幾個沒有關係你選了幾個我們現在國道部分是濁水溪橋跟大甲溪橋好兩個\n438291\t457401\t所以換言之我們的橋樑裡面有預警系統這樣全台灣不論是你們自己的系統加這個所謂國家實驗研究院的系統這樣加錢有多少監測跟委員報告就是說國研院是兩個那我們其他的每一座橋都有那個也就是說我們的水位觀測的一個監測系統就是說是人工監測還是電腦監測目前大概都是電腦就是說直接監測就是說水高低於1.5公尺的時候就有預警\n464651\t490660\t對 那多少你們認為只有用水位監測的系統達到多高的水位時候就叫這個橋就要封閉了對 我們出水高低於1.5的時候就要封閉了就封閉了是所以換言之我們每一座橋樑的這幾乎都有監測對 這個部分都會監測是吧好對 那我的意思只是要問你說齁這個當時我們叫做2016年首創全球第一個斷橋預警系統\n492182\t513710\t那我只是說斷甲預警系統就我所知道有5個地方你們做了這個測試那我只是希望你們要好好的檢討這5個斷甲系統測試的結果是好是壞啦那為什麼只有5個為什麼你們不做500個那表示它這個預警系統是不是會來得比你們只監測水位來得好\n514977\t535380\t我希望你們這個做一個報告給我啦就是為什麼我們到底它是什麼原因譬如說預警系統一個這個架構的成本可能非常高高到嚇死人的地步所以交通部無法籌措這個經費還是說這個預警系統其實不好沒有什麼太大的用處所以我們裝了五個之後我們就決定不裝了\n536926\t547030\t所以我的意思是說科技啊它可以解決很多我們談極端氣候嘛所以極端氣候我們希望透過減碳的方式來讓極端氣候減緩\n549929\t573895\t但是我們因應極端氣候我們要有把科技的方法引進那斷橋的問題其實每一次當汛期或者暴雨的時候我們其實大家都很緊張我作為民意代表我也很緊張常常在大甲溪跟大安溪的橋頭陪著在地的里長跟鄉親那有沒有可能在所有的橋樑上面到底它什麼原因我們的監測狀況是如何\n575855\t579539\t最後大甲溪跟大安溪本溪過去一直常年在爭取這兩個橋樑市場已經非常久了又是台一線主要的交通動脈\n598217\t616765\t當時承諾我2027年要完工,差不多60天,2027年完工,這個時間有沒有問題?2027年底要完工?這個部分的話就是說因為可行性評估過了,我們現在正在做設計,時間有遷就嗎?\n620794\t620934\t好 謝謝蔡委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席請交通部王部長請王部長蔡委好部長早安今天主席特別安排了極端氣候下我們所有交通因應跟所有的設施本席想要今天就叫在極端氣候底下我們的國內橋樑的問題\n我們大概中央管跟地方管的橋樑大概有多少座兩萬多座中央大概佔比多少\n目前橋樑我們做過檢測橋樑我們把它做一個分級從U1到U4目前對於哪一個等級的橋樑交通部列為要立刻處理\n2萬多座橋樑是U4等級的占比有多少?\n跟委員報告在109年到111年齁這個部分的話全國已經做過兩萬多座的一個盤點了那時候行政院的話其實有個專案計畫所以對於就是說期待要處理的部分當初已經處理了101座\n然後花了14億多所以當初處理完畢 處理完畢之後 112跟113的話其實是持續就各縣市政府還有這個中央管的橋樑做定期的檢測那定期檢測之後只要就是說發現U3我們沒有到U3的部分的話其實就要做相關的處理了那公路局在這個去年其實還發文給各縣市政府就是說我們會協助他們就是說如果處理U3以上的\n那目前就是說各縣政府有提報有25座那我們也就是說協助他們就是說做相關的一個這個經費的一個協助所以U4等級已經沒有了改善完畢了對在上次上一波的部分其實都已經檢測完了那現在U3等級有多少座待改善\n跟委員報告就是我們在去年年底的時候請各縣政府提報我們公路系統因為還有其他的市區道路系統公路系統的部分我們收到25座局長我的意思就是說我希望知道一下U3等級\n全台灣需要改善那他可能是中央管也可能是地方管我想要知道中央管有多少座U3地方管多少座U3那我們打算要多久的時間把這些U3等級需要改善的把它改善完畢\n是跟委員報告我們這個U3的我們公路局沒有我們公路局沒有就是說這個要這個U3的部分那地方的在這一個去年我們年底的時候請他們就是說這個檢測通報的話是提報了25座那一般來說的話其實是一年內要做相關的改善好換言之把這25座搞定之後我們沒有U3U4了對不對應該這麼說嗎\n好 那我們目前啊\n我記得在2016年左右我們跟國家實驗研究院有做斷橋預警系統現在我們運用在橋樑的狀況數量有多少?\n國研院是做降雨和橋樑沖刷的模擬系統目前預警有合作研究五座研究的效果怎麼樣\n他大概就是說因為是一個模擬系統就是依照降雨的狀況那模擬之後的話其實如果說這個強降雨的話在這一個如果說對於這個橋樑有影響的話在6小時前他會有預警的效果如何效果如何我覺得其實是很好因為我們我們公路局目前也有相關的警戒指很好\n我們到目前為止還只是只有裝5座那為什麼我們他很好為什麼我們不多加利用呢因為我們現在其實公務局也有另外就是說自己本身也有相關的一個預警系統那所以其實公務員上面跟他的這個我們會再跟他們再做相關的一個這個討論跟比較\n對 那價格誰好因為目前其實我們的系統我們自己本身已經就是說相關的包括預測跟這個預警警戒跟行動詞我們其實已經都有了啦那這個部分\n高空局有沒有可以來高空局請委員報告齁那其實來講說這套系統它是其實來講是最好的應用是事後檢討啦它不是說那個當場的一個方法因為它是知道說洞闖的一個情形沒關係沒關係那個我其實沒有我對於兩者之間我沒有興趣啦我只是站在人民的角度我希望當暴雨來的時候國家可以提早告訴我這條橋不能走\n那你們誰的系統好到底是什麼問題為什麼只有裝這個目前的監測橋樑的監測狀態是如何我想要知道是這個\n目前來講因為他那個兩萬多座橋樑裡面值得裝監測系統的橋樑目前有在做的大概就是像那個我們幾個濁水溪河系的比如說台三線的民間大橋或是我們那個濁水溪橋或者是說那個我們在大甲溪橋這個地方有沒有沒有關係我只是希望知道到底有多少座橋你們可以有進行這個所謂監測然後接著可以預警\n因為每一個橋的狀況不一樣沒關係沒關係你只要告訴我有多少座就好了那目前來講的話我們大概就是選幾個沒有關係你選了幾個我們現在國道部分是濁水溪橋跟大甲溪橋好兩個\n所以換言之我們的橋樑裡面有預警系統這樣全台灣不論是你們自己的系統加這個所謂國家實驗研究院的系統這樣加錢有多少監測跟委員報告就是說國研院是兩個那我們其他的每一座橋都有那個也就是說我們的水位觀測的一個監測系統就是說是人工監測還是電腦監測目前大概都是電腦就是說直接監測就是說水高低於1.5公尺的時候就有預警\n對 那多少你們認為只有用水位監測的系統達到多高的水位時候就叫這個橋就要封閉了對 我們出水高低於1.5的時候就要封閉了就封閉了是所以換言之我們每一座橋樑的這幾乎都有監測對 這個部分都會監測是吧好對 那我的意思只是要問你說齁這個當時我們叫做2016年首創全球第一個斷橋預警系統\n那我只是說斷甲預警系統就我所知道有5個地方你們做了這個測試那我只是希望你們要好好的檢討這5個斷甲系統測試的結果是好是壞啦那為什麼只有5個為什麼你們不做500個那表示它這個預警系統是不是會來得比你們只監測水位來得好\n我希望你們這個做一個報告給我啦就是為什麼我們到底它是什麼原因譬如說預警系統一個這個架構的成本可能非常高高到嚇死人的地步所以交通部無法籌措這個經費還是說這個預警系統其實不好沒有什麼太大的用處所以我們裝了五個之後我們就決定不裝了\n所以我的意思是說科技啊它可以解決很多我們談極端氣候嘛所以極端氣候我們希望透過減碳的方式來讓極端氣候減緩\n但是我們因應極端氣候我們要有把科技的方法引進那斷橋的問題其實每一次當汛期或者暴雨的時候我們其實大家都很緊張我作為民意代表我也很緊張常常在大甲溪跟大安溪的橋頭陪著在地的里長跟鄉親那有沒有可能在所有的橋樑上面到底它什麼原因我們的監測狀況是如何\n最後大甲溪跟大安溪本溪過去一直常年在爭取這兩個橋樑市場已經非常久了又是台一線主要的交通動脈\n當時承諾我2027年要完工,差不多60天,2027年完工,這個時間有沒有問題?2027年底要完工?這個部分的話就是說因為可行性評估過了,我們現在正在做設計,時間有遷就嗎?\n好 謝謝蔡委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.878 --> 00:30.670\n謝謝主席請交通部王部長請王部長蔡委好部長早安今天主席特別安排了極端氣候下我們所有交通因應跟所有的設施本席想要今天就叫在極端氣候底下我們的國內橋樑的問題\n\n00:35.764 --> 00:46.824\n我們大概中央管跟地方管的橋樑大概有多少座兩萬多座中央大概佔比多少\n\n00:48.063 --> 00:55.929\n目前橋樑我們做過檢測橋樑我們把它做一個分級從U1到U4目前對於哪一個等級的橋樑交通部列為要立刻處理\n\n01:17.964 --> 01:19.286\n2萬多座橋樑是U4等級的占比有多少?\n\n01:35.945 --> 01:50.540\n跟委員報告在109年到111年齁這個部分的話全國已經做過兩萬多座的一個盤點了那時候行政院的話其實有個專案計畫所以對於就是說期待要處理的部分當初已經處理了101座\n\n01:52.262 --> 02:20.608\n然後花了14億多所以當初處理完畢處理完畢之後112跟113的話其實是持續就各縣市政府還有這個中央管的橋樑做定期的檢測那定期檢測之後只要就是說發現U3我們沒有到U3的部分的話其實就要做相關的處理了那公路局在這個去年其實還發文給各縣市政府就是說我們會協助他們就是說如果處理U3以上的\n\n02:20.908 --> 02:39.410\n那目前就是說各縣政府有提報有25座那我們也就是說協助他們就是說做相關的一個這個經費的一個協助所以U4等級已經沒有了改善完畢了對在上次上一波的部分其實都已經檢測完了那現在U3等級有多少座待改善\n\n02:42.419 --> 02:57.644\n跟委員報告就是我們在去年年底的時候請各縣政府提報我們公路系統因為還有其他的市區道路系統公路系統的部分我們收到25座局長我的意思就是說我希望知道一下U3等級\n\n02:58.775 --> 03:14.850\n全台灣需要改善那他可能是中央管也可能是地方管我想要知道中央管有多少座U3地方管多少座U3那我們打算要多久的時間把這些U3等級需要改善的把它改善完畢\n\n03:15.563 --> 03:38.759\n是跟委員報告我們這個U3的我們公路局沒有我們公路局沒有就是說這個要這個U3的部分那地方的在這一個去年我們年底的時候請他們就是說這個檢測通報的話是提報了25座那一般來說的話其實是一年內要做相關的改善好換言之把這25座搞定之後我們沒有U3U4了對不對應該這麼說嗎\n\n03:43.422 --> 03:43.622\n好那我們目前啊\n\n04:11.099 --> 04:15.381\n我記得在2016年左右我們跟國家實驗研究院有做斷橋預警系統現在我們運用在橋樑的狀況數量有多少?\n\n04:29.943 --> 04:33.085\n國研院是做降雨和橋樑沖刷的模擬系統目前預警有合作研究五座研究的效果怎麼樣\n\n04:51.095 --> 05:13.254\n他大概就是說因為是一個模擬系統就是依照降雨的狀況那模擬之後的話其實如果說這個強降雨的話在這一個如果說對於這個橋樑有影響的話在6小時前他會有預警的效果如何效果如何我覺得其實是很好因為我們我們公路局目前也有相關的警戒指很好\n\n05:14.395 --> 05:37.345\n我們到目前為止還只是只有裝5座那為什麼我們他很好為什麼我們不多加利用呢因為我們現在其實公務局也有另外就是說自己本身也有相關的一個預警系統那所以其實公務員上面跟他的這個我們會再跟他們再做相關的一個這個討論跟比較\n\n05:38.886 --> 05:56.333\n對那價格誰好因為目前其實我們的系統我們自己本身已經就是說相關的包括預測跟這個預警警戒跟行動詞我們其實已經都有了啦那這個部分\n\n05:57.453 --> 06:21.401\n高空局有沒有可以來高空局請委員報告齁那其實來講說這套系統它是其實來講是最好的應用是事後檢討啦它不是說那個當場的一個方法因為它是知道說洞闖的一個情形沒關係沒關係那個我其實沒有我對於兩者之間我沒有興趣啦我只是站在人民的角度我希望當暴雨來的時候國家可以提早告訴我這條橋不能走\n\n06:23.623 --> 06:27.130\n那你們誰的系統好到底是什麼問題為什麼只有裝這個目前的監測橋樑的監測狀態是如何我想要知道是這個\n\n06:34.155 --> 07:01.353\n目前來講因為他那個兩萬多座橋樑裡面值得裝監測系統的橋樑目前有在做的大概就是像那個我們幾個濁水溪河系的比如說台三線的民間大橋或是我們那個濁水溪橋或者是說那個我們在大甲溪橋這個地方有沒有沒有關係我只是希望知道到底有多少座橋你們可以有進行這個所謂監測然後接著可以預警\n\n07:01.803 --> 07:15.968\n因為每一個橋的狀況不一樣沒關係沒關係你只要告訴我有多少座就好了那目前來講的話我們大概就是選幾個沒有關係你選了幾個我們現在國道部分是濁水溪橋跟大甲溪橋好兩個\n\n07:18.291 --> 07:37.401\n所以換言之我們的橋樑裡面有預警系統這樣全台灣不論是你們自己的系統加這個所謂國家實驗研究院的系統這樣加錢有多少監測跟委員報告就是說國研院是兩個那我們其他的每一座橋都有那個也就是說我們的水位觀測的一個監測系統就是說是人工監測還是電腦監測目前大概都是電腦就是說直接監測就是說水高低於1.5公尺的時候就有預警\n\n07:44.651 --> 08:10.660\n對那多少你們認為只有用水位監測的系統達到多高的水位時候就叫這個橋就要封閉了對我們出水高低於1.5的時候就要封閉了就封閉了是所以換言之我們每一座橋樑的這幾乎都有監測對這個部分都會監測是吧好對那我的意思只是要問你說齁這個當時我們叫做2016年首創全球第一個斷橋預警系統\n\n08:12.182 --> 08:33.710\n那我只是說斷甲預警系統就我所知道有5個地方你們做了這個測試那我只是希望你們要好好的檢討這5個斷甲系統測試的結果是好是壞啦那為什麼只有5個為什麼你們不做500個那表示它這個預警系統是不是會來得比你們只監測水位來得好\n\n08:34.977 --> 08:55.380\n我希望你們這個做一個報告給我啦就是為什麼我們到底它是什麼原因譬如說預警系統一個這個架構的成本可能非常高高到嚇死人的地步所以交通部無法籌措這個經費還是說這個預警系統其實不好沒有什麼太大的用處所以我們裝了五個之後我們就決定不裝了\n\n08:56.926 --> 09:07.030\n所以我的意思是說科技啊它可以解決很多我們談極端氣候嘛所以極端氣候我們希望透過減碳的方式來讓極端氣候減緩\n\n09:09.929 --> 09:33.895\n但是我們因應極端氣候我們要有把科技的方法引進那斷橋的問題其實每一次當汛期或者暴雨的時候我們其實大家都很緊張我作為民意代表我也很緊張常常在大甲溪跟大安溪的橋頭陪著在地的里長跟鄉親那有沒有可能在所有的橋樑上面到底它什麼原因我們的監測狀況是如何\n\n09:35.855 --> 09:39.539\n最後大甲溪跟大安溪本溪過去一直常年在爭取這兩個橋樑市場已經非常久了又是台一線主要的交通動脈\n\n09:58.217 --> 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