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00:01:07,950\n那他退伍後他發展了這些在民間的專長他可能考取了醫護的資格他也可能獲得了速發部的這個資通安全署的通訊安全認證或者他可能考取了民航局無人機的證照那也有可能他考到了勞動部的重型機械操作的證照那部長我想請問\n\n4\n00:01:09,687 --> 00:01:20,299\n在我們要把這個小民叫召回部隊的時候他會有機會進到衛生牌還是支通電等民間專長對應的後備單位\n\n5\n00:01:22,660 --> 00:01:44,388\n還是因為他是4個月的軍事訓練役：所以他只能是步槍兵所以我跟委員報告這已經我們也發生這個問題了我們要找教召的人來之前有這幾個條件這批教召我們期望磨練什麼職務從上面知道他都有他的專長但這個專長在退伍之前舔的舔了以後就移到這個後備地區我們來查\n\n6\n00:01:46,849 --> 00:02:13,484\n但是現在剛委員講的沒有錯,很多專長或者證照,他退伍了以後才獲得的。我們的問題出來講,他獲得有發的單位,我們當然不能要求他告知我們,但我們現在發生這個問題,我們要跟他協調。他有這個專長了,也告知我們,或者我們主動去問,這一批你們這個地方有沒有受過無人機操作的證照的人,要有的話,\n\n7\n00:02:14,184 --> 00:02:27,641\n我們把優先：而且要符合規定喔他原本這一批沒有教召你一把拉進來那也會找我們現在看到比較麻煩是很多還都是要我們要把人召回營裡面請他填一個紙本\n\n8\n00:02:28,888 --> 00:02:45,227\n我們才有辦法去更新他的專長這我要插個嘴很抱歉我要跟委員說他不管他專長符合不符合他都要填右翼在哪裡要核對這當然可能造成誤會這樣我知道你那麼清楚你還叫我填幹什麼一樣的問題\n\n9\n00:02:47,429 --> 00:03:11,520\n部長我要說的事情是說現在我們其實對於叫招錢如何掌握他的專長這件事情看起來我們並沒有一個非常非常系統性的去處理這個問題那導致於可能很多他有明明有一個新的專長的人他也有辦法可以貢獻他的專長到我們後備單位的人他沒有辦法所以他這次入營裡面他還是必須當步槍兵\n\n10\n00:03:13,424 --> 00:03:35,866\n可是大家知道其實我們包括我們現在的新式教召一次是14天啊其實每一次你可能在社會上面工作你可能開一家小店你可能一個微型企業你要應付教召回去像大家看到新式教召13天我甚至可能這個店面前面大家都要供說我14天不好意思我不得已我必須供休\n\n11\n00:03:37,725 --> 00:04:04,205\n那一個這樣子他可能四次叫招最多四次叫招我們可能就白白浪費了這一次叫招了就浪費了甚至也浪費了他的14天啊是委員講這個很有道理浪費了他的14天然後你要他無法發揮專長然後他去做了這個再去做一次步槍兵你也知道這不是他該做的或他適合做的事情這樣子等於是互相在浪費這個機會啊\n\n12\n00:04:06,046 --> 00:04:20,439\n所以我今天是想跟你討論說我們怎麼樣避免這個狀況再發生其實並不是沒有做法的我們怎麼可能每次都是要入營以後才叫你去填那張表格才知道你專場有沒有更新\n\n13\n00:04:21,892 --> 00:04:40,406\n我們有很多資訊可以做的做法比方說現在我們在其他部會裡面可能都有相關的人才庫啊衛福部有醫護的人才庫啊這個數位部有自動安全署的人才庫啊勞動部有相關技術技能檢定的資料庫啊為什麼不能事前去對接\n\n14\n00:04:42,748 --> 00:05:07,089\n一種我可以直接事前去對接第二我甚至在叫招前多少錢的時間我能不能夠就請他能夠有一個資訊方式的回傳跟相關的回報也許他檢附他相關的證照其實這有很多的做法都可以做這件事情的可是我們是我們現在的做法坦白說我還是覺得很擔心留在遠古時代然後這個做法真的是彼此浪費\n\n15\n00:05:08,806 --> 00:05:23,564\n資源很有限啊部長我了解委員給我一點時間啊委員意義道破了啊不會沒有辦法但是事實上我要跟委員報告目前有在做但我真的還是做不夠徹底那我現在彌補方法很簡單一個是全民防疫動員署\n\n16\n00:05:23,985 --> 00:05:25,206\n其實今天包括白主席在旁邊\n\n17\n00:05:46,101 --> 00:06:01,190\n其實對於我們後備的單位需要哪些專長我們一定是權動署最清楚嘛對不對所以我們很清楚知道哪些專長以後他需要跟哪些部會進行他的專長去做對接這我們在事前就可以做的事情嘛\n\n18\n00:06:01,870 --> 00:06:25,332\n我們在事前就可以請這些部會請你提供你相關的人才資料庫的名單我們應該事前就可以一來事前跟你對接二來如果我們在叫到你來迎之前的時候我就清楚知道也許你就透過一個方式能夠回傳或者是能夠回覆你現在最厲害的專長是什麼你最有把握的專長是什麼我們其實在來迎之前就可以更新這有好幾層的做法\n\n19\n00:06:54,346 --> 00:07:15,755\n我們就一次把它給做好來好不好我跟委員發奇妙的說我今天就點出問題來但事實上我要跟委員報以前不是沒有做但我現在覺得做的大概不夠徹底這個是很好的一個課題而且目標很明確就要找的一來專長完全符合的我們就朝這一方面來所以怎麼樣跟哪幾個部會\n\n20\n00:07:17,072 --> 00:07:28,218\n從委員講的不會解決不了的一定可以解決部長那多久時間我們可以把這整套做法完全更新部長報告委員這個很簡單跟你們報告我們所有的退伍軍人\n\n21\n00:07:33,171 --> 00:07:33,611\n蘇長這都是之前我現在問你有沒有\n\n22\n00:07:51,207 --> 00:08:06,581\n所以我們是有制度在管理我一定要澄清我們的制度很完整但是我在選中過程當中我比如說他是醫療的他是一個醫師他可能是來服役只是短期服役退伍下去取得醫師高專長我軍隊又缺這個衛福部他是一個動員部會像交通部的這個無人機民航局也是個動員機關我們都有跟他聯繫我們手上也有民航局的\n\n23\n00:08:18,091 --> 00:08:41,608\n這個無人機操作所的名冊當我現在要擴編無人機的部隊我不足的時候我當然會主動找部會拿名冊我再找時間跟委員報告什麼找時間我現在問你的事情是你多久時間可以照部長說的在這個方向把這個系統給校正好不是你再跟我報告啊你多久時間可以完成啊我現在問這個事情啊這個很抱歉立即向委員報告好不好\n\n24\n00:08:42,168 --> 00:08:54,504\n我們可以立即向委員報告我們教召令大家都知道45天前寄發然後有40天的時間要員聯訪就是在問他的專長蘇長我要打斷你還有你不是黃委員齁這個\n\n25\n00:08:57,301 --> 00:08:58,201\n三個月可不可以?\n\n26\n00:09:16,171 --> 00:09:24,023\n三個月我們把這套系統把它改完我們不要再浪費這些叫招或被招集來的時間三個月內沒有問題部長可以嗎對不對沒有問題啊懲辦單位我們\n\n27\n00:09:28,337 --> 00:09:46,596\n這是有意去談部長接下來我想問我們現在當然有這個對美採購這個MQ-9的大型的無人機這當然是我們現在目前這個從2026年會開始起這個起接裝然後包括它其實一台我們看到單價是高達五千多萬美元\n\n28\n00:09:47,864 --> 00:10:09,731\n那這種大型的無人機其實它可能會需要整個部隊或者整個團隊才能夠完善的運作所以未來如果我們在這個無人機這個包括MQ-9這個之後它如果退伍了以後包括這些飛手包括攻擊手、保修人員、資通、地面接收站的人員其實會是我們非常珍貴的人才部長同意嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:11,591 --> 00:10:38,598\n那部長我想請教就我們現在的後備單位裡面我們有研議要來這個籌組或成立無人機專屬的後備單位嗎?目前我請空心跟您說說事實上有一些可能密碼達目要從後備中拉回來但事實上他從軍中尤其飛行員他退了以後我們都要再找回來他可能不完全操作無人機但是他有他的工作空心你講一下\n\n30\n00:10:39,338 --> 00:11:00,743\n委員好我是空軍的參謀長我們在無人機的操作部分也是跟剛剛權重署報告的一樣未來會進行專長管制那一併納管之後依照未來在叫召的時候需求來一併的叫召我想現在先問的事情是說我們接下來有沒有在後備成立這個無人機的專屬無人機的這個團隊的需求\n\n31\n00:11:07,999 --> 00:11:23,214\n對,有沒有這個需求?就是可能看不同的後備單位他假設需要無人機的話那我們再用這個方式來去應用部長的意思是這樣是不是?就不一定是一個專屬的無人機單位是不是?\n\n32\n00:11:26,997 --> 00:11:27,257\n是,是,謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n509\t12661\t請邱部長,然後跟全動數的白署長。請邱部長、白署長。候委員好。\n14656\t37671\t部長我對於今天還是依舊出席委員會還是必須跟你表達我自己是很敬佩的那我們該做的事情我們還是盡量的我們把它給做好那我今天有幾個問題是關於這個權動上面的問題我想先請教這個部長喔部長如果我們有一個這個經過4個月訓練的訓練兵這個叫小明好了齁\n43115\t67950\t那他退伍後他發展了這些在民間的專長他可能考取了醫護的資格他也可能獲得了速發部的這個資通安全署的通訊安全認證或者他可能考取了民航局無人機的證照那也有可能他考到了勞動部的重型機械操作的證照那部長我想請問\n69687\t80299\t在我們要把這個小民叫召回部隊的時候他會有機會進到衛生牌還是支通電等民間專長對應的後備單位\n82660\t104388\t還是因為他是4個月的軍事訓練役：所以他只能是步槍兵所以我跟委員報告這已經我們也發生這個問題了我們要找教召的人來之前有這幾個條件這批教召我們期望磨練什麼職務從上面知道他都有他的專長但這個專長在退伍之前舔的舔了以後就移到這個後備地區我們來查\n106849\t133484\t但是現在剛委員講的沒有錯,很多專長或者證照,他退伍了以後才獲得的。我們的問題出來講,他獲得有發的單位,我們當然不能要求他告知我們,但我們現在發生這個問題,我們要跟他協調。他有這個專長了,也告知我們,或者我們主動去問,這一批你們這個地方有沒有受過無人機操作的證照的人,要有的話,\n134184\t147641\t我們把優先：而且要符合規定喔他原本這一批沒有教召你一把拉進來那也會找我們現在看到比較麻煩是很多還都是要我們要把人召回營裡面請他填一個紙本\n148888\t165227\t我們才有辦法去更新他的專長這我要插個嘴很抱歉我要跟委員說他不管他專長符合不符合他都要填右翼在哪裡要核對這當然可能造成誤會這樣我知道你那麼清楚你還叫我填幹什麼一樣的問題\n167429\t191520\t部長 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對不對所以我們很清楚知道哪些專長以後他需要跟哪些部會進行他的專長去做對接這我們在事前就可以做的事情嘛\n361870\t385332\t我們在事前就可以請這些部會請你提供你相關的人才資料庫的名單我們應該事前就可以一來事前跟你對接二來如果我們在叫到你來迎之前的時候我就清楚知道也許你就透過一個方式能夠回傳或者是能夠回覆你現在最厲害的專長是什麼你最有把握的專長是什麼我們其實在來迎之前就可以更新這有好幾層的做法\n385572\t414326\t響鐘響鐘\n414346\t435755\t我們就一次把它給做好來好不好我跟委員發奇妙的說我今天就點出問題來但事實上我要跟委員報以前不是沒有做但我現在覺得做的大概不夠徹底這個是很好的一個課題而且目標很明確就要找的一來專長完全符合的我們就朝這一方面來所以怎麼樣跟哪幾個部會\n437072\t448218\t從委員講的不會解決不了的一定可以解決部長那多久時間我們可以把這整套做法完全更新部長報告委員這個很簡單跟你們報告我們所有的退伍軍人\n453171\t453611\t蘇長 這都是之前 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我要說的事情是說現在我們其實對於叫招錢如何掌握他的專長這件事情看起來我們並沒有一個非常非常系統性的去處理這個問題那導致於可能很多他有明明有一個新的專長的人他也有辦法可以貢獻他的專長到我們後備單位的人他沒有辦法所以他這次入營裡面他還是必須當步槍兵\n可是大家知道其實我們包括我們現在的新式教召一次是14天啊其實每一次你可能在社會上面工作你可能開一家小店你可能一個微型企業你要應付教召回去像大家看到新式教召13天我甚至可能這個店面前面大家都要供說我14天不好意思我不得已我必須供休\n那一個這樣子他可能四次叫招最多四次叫招我們可能就白白浪費了這一次叫招了就浪費了甚至也浪費了他的14天啊是委員講這個很有道理浪費了他的14天然後你要他無法發揮專長然後他去做了這個再去做一次步槍兵你也知道這不是他該做的或他適合做的事情這樣子等於是互相在浪費這個機會啊\n所以我今天是想跟你討論說我們怎麼樣避免這個狀況再發生其實並不是沒有做法的我們怎麼可能每次都是要入營以後才叫你去填那張表格才知道你專場有沒有更新\n我們有很多資訊可以做的做法比方說現在我們在其他部會裡面可能都有相關的人才庫啊衛福部有醫護的人才庫啊這個數位部有自動安全署的人才庫啊勞動部有相關技術技能檢定的資料庫啊為什麼不能事前去對接\n一種我可以直接事前去對接第二我甚至在叫招前多少錢的時間我能不能夠就請他能夠有一個資訊方式的回傳跟相關的回報也許他檢附他相關的證照其實這有很多的做法都可以做這件事情的可是我們是我們現在的做法坦白說我還是覺得很擔心留在遠古時代然後這個做法真的是彼此浪費\n資源很有限啊部長我了解委員給我一點時間啊委員意義道破了啊不會沒有辦法但是事實上我要跟委員報告目前有在做但我真的還是做不夠徹底那我現在彌補方法很簡單一個是全民防疫動員署\n其實今天包括白主席在旁邊\n其實對於我們後備的單位需要哪些專長我們一定是權動署最清楚嘛 對不對所以我們很清楚知道哪些專長以後他需要跟哪些部會進行他的專長去做對接這我們在事前就可以做的事情嘛\n我們在事前就可以請這些部會請你提供你相關的人才資料庫的名單我們應該事前就可以一來事前跟你對接二來如果我們在叫到你來迎之前的時候我就清楚知道也許你就透過一個方式能夠回傳或者是能夠回覆你現在最厲害的專長是什麼你最有把握的專長是什麼我們其實在來迎之前就可以更新這有好幾層的做法\n響鐘響鐘\n我們就一次把它給做好來好不好我跟委員發奇妙的說我今天就點出問題來但事實上我要跟委員報以前不是沒有做但我現在覺得做的大概不夠徹底這個是很好的一個課題而且目標很明確就要找的一來專長完全符合的我們就朝這一方面來所以怎麼樣跟哪幾個部會\n從委員講的不會解決不了的一定可以解決部長那多久時間我們可以把這整套做法完全更新部長報告委員這個很簡單跟你們報告我們所有的退伍軍人\n蘇長 這都是之前 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