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00:03:34,782\n大概有總務處大概你來的時候再跟院長報告以後在是不是要透過黨團協商啦怎麼去決定啦那這整個我們在後續上還這報告應該還沒上來所以我也會變在這邊跟陳委員報告將來是怎麼做這個應該是委員合議的合議的狀況幕僚長只能說把any意見再往院長報告然後再看怎麼去處理\n\n9\n00:03:35,540 --> 00:03:55,574\n好所以聽起來如果以剛剛兩個問題聽起來我們對於這個問題秘書長您都還沒掌握相關的期程我個人是因為從82年這個從華山又變成空軍總部我都在啦是但我個人來講我是比較希望這一個國會是要擴建的啦\n\n10\n00:03:56,014 --> 00:03:56,154\n二）委員\n\n11\n00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:32,271\n好那本席還是期待我們國會擴建能夠加速的這個啟動相關的期程那擴建不只是為了提升這個議事的品質也是為台灣民主發展一個很重要的里程碑那已經推動三十幾年了現在就差最後一里路所以也請秘書長能夠持續協助院長全力來推動我們國會的這個擴建案\n\n12\n00:04:36,648 --> 00:04:52,273\n謝謝謝謝接著我想請教就是說針對這個國情報告不答詢的部分那立法院我們將邀請總統到立法院做國情報告的部分我想在近期內這個委員都熱烈的在討論那對於這個專題報告\n\n13\n00:04:57,535 --> 00:05:23,576\n也有很多的這種討論但在這個部分本席還是要主張就是針對我們憲法徵修的條文第四條第三項的規定立法院於每年這個集會的時候得聽取總統的國情報告應該是依憲法不答詢那至於總統發表報告的這個實際的方式為了避免這個淪為政治的攻防\n\n14\n00:05:24,602 --> 00:05:47,098\n那也避免我們國情報告和行政院長施政的報告有這個撞起。建議參酌美國發表國情諮文報告的這種制度,朝向每年定期知情,立法院同意後到國會來進行報告。且為了符合我們這個憲政的權責,不應該有巡打的環節。\n\n15\n00:05:48,679 --> 00:06:15,368\n總統府在這次的書面報告中也有提到總統赴立法院進行國情報告具有重要的這種憲政意義不論是現任的蔡總統或是即將上任的賴總統在符合憲政體制前提之下對於到立法院向國會及人民報告都並不排斥所以在此我想請教秘書長府方是否也認同總統到國會\n\n16\n00:06:19,465 --> 00:06:32,571\n的部分這個秘書長您對這部分瞭解情況如何?我不太瞭解。那我們是不是請專委來回覆一下。那請專委上台。\n\n17\n00:06:42,901 --> 00:07:11,556\n好,專委是那那個賴總統當選人曾經表示過在符合憲政體制之下他樂意向國會跟人民做報告那至於立法委員的職權行使的部分他是在依法核心的原則上尊重國會的共識尊重國會的共識\n\n18\n00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:36,915\n那我們有沒有基本的一個這個基本的想法應該就是一樣是報告不答詢我想就是賴總統當選人的剛剛的講法這是我們的立場對是什麼立場\n\n19\n00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:53,106\n就在符合憲政體制之下,賴總統當選人願意接受國庭報告。\n\n20\n00:07:56,704 --> 00:08:22,187\n那民主黨我想請教一下,針對剛剛莊委講的部分,我們這個院方這邊可以這個配合這個府方的這種想法嗎?我們是以我們委員自己在立法過程的這個合意來做決定的。好,那還是尊重我們這個立法院最...我們委員自己的合意來決定到底要怎麼處理。\n\n21\n00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:26,413\n好那我再請教最後一個問題對於國會改革的這個\n\n22\n00:08:31,451 --> 00:08:59,549\n我們立法院職權行使法的這個制度是依據立法院組成第二條立法院行使憲法所賦予的這個職權而立法院這個組織法則是依照憲法第76條所訂定的那立法院職權行使法自這個民國88年總統公佈以來修正過11次秘書長這個長年在立法院服務參與過幾乎這個所有的過程我想請教\n\n23\n00:09:00,987 --> 00:09:01,187\n五（委員\n\n24\n00:09:18,068 --> 00:09:31,372\n國衛無法在修的時候是因為長官是要負責議事規範這部分那因為以前都是議事規則那我認為是因為職權的願績間一定要有法規範所以當時經過劉院長也跟幾個黨團協商同意還是定定在立法院職權行使法\n\n25\n00:09:40,794 --> 00:09:43,417\n當時這樣的情形。經過11次的修正。我在96年以前的這個職權行使法修正我是有參與的。96年以後我就沒有參與。\n\n26\n00:09:55,735 --> 00:10:18,784\n好其實改革是越要越改越好啦齁那我也期待說未來我們啊這個啊秘書長您可以協助相關的這個修法過程裡面能夠朝向這個民主極致大家所期待的一個目標來這個做修法啦齁那對於秘書長您簽稱自己是這個行政的幕僚長啦齁那在這次的這個報告中有\n\n27\n00:10:20,014 --> 00:10:37,582\n大多尊重委員會的合意決定您剛剛也有說了或是尊重委員立法這個形成的自由但是對於有提案要以藐視國會知名來採取刑法手段這部分是否也有比較多的討論空間\n\n28\n00:10:39,548 --> 00:10:48,938\n我二月五號來以後在二月六號我就請我們法治局在各個國家的一些這個整個聽證調查\n\n29\n00:10:51,004 --> 00:10:51,965\n二）委員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n25128\t27251\t主席 請周秘書長請周秘書長\n33645\t54056\t秦委員好。秦委員好。我想首先跟秘書長您討論一下針對我們國會擴建的計畫。國會除了一次法制面的改革外,攸關意識品質的硬體設備也急需改革。早在1990年的時候,我們立法院就提出要遷建這個華山車站。\n56817\t56857\t二）委員\n77282\t98437\t那也包括本席的選區在宜蘭的這個中心文創園區以及包括北部還有中部的幾個這個點那我想請教祕書長擴建的這個點位是否會重新評估還是還是會依照6選1或是會不排除會增加新的選項\n101331\t124522\t謝謝陳委員提出這一個國會擴建的計畫因為大概上一次在我郭勤勇報告的建議裡面委員也提出來現在大概我們也是在總務處那邊在做研擬那因為最主要是由院長在上一屆談話要結束在黨團協商他有提過要繼續再處理那繼續處理是這6個點\n129204\t156728\t那我上次也講過公督門來我接見他們又再提出來那我們會再演繹會再跟院長報告是不是就六個點或什麼大概我們總務處會有一個報告上來我們再跟院長報告那看要怎麼處理是不是接續有緣奶奶六個然後透過黨團協商來有一個共識再繼續推動大概可能是這樣所以點位的部分是還沒確定就對了\n158249\t184650\t因為我們也因為委員長所說是接續吧就繼續要處理但是他當時在第10屆是規劃6個點有6個點6個地方有6個地方好那我想請教秘書長就是上一屆我們有組成這個國會擴建的規劃及監督委員會那想請問未來我們是不是會再重新組成這種小組或是臨時的委員會來討論\n187780\t214782\t大概有總務處大概你來的時候再跟院長報告以後在是不是要透過黨團協商啦怎麼去決定啦那這整個我們在後續上還這報告應該還沒上來所以我也會變在這邊跟陳委員報告將來是怎麼做這個應該是委員合議的合議的狀況幕僚長只能說把any意見再往院長報告然後再看怎麼去處理\n215540\t235574\t好 所以聽起來如果以剛剛兩個問題聽起來我們對於這個問題秘書長您都還沒掌握相關的期程我個人是因為從82年這個從華山又變成空軍總部我都在啦是但我個人來講我是比較希望這一個國會是要擴建的啦\n236014\t236154\t二）委員\n249360\t272271\t好 那本席還是期待我們國會擴建能夠加速的這個啟動相關的期程那擴建不只是為了提升這個議事的品質也是為台灣民主發展一個很重要的里程碑那已經推動三十幾年了現在就差最後一里路所以也請秘書長能夠持續協助院長全力來推動我們國會的這個擴建案\n276648\t292273\t謝謝 謝謝接著我想請教就是說針對這個國情報告不答詢的部分那立法院我們將邀請總統到立法院做國情報告的部分我想在近期內這個委員都熱烈的在討論那對於這個專題報告\n297535\t323576\t也有很多的這種討論但在這個部分本席還是要主張就是針對我們憲法徵修的條文第四條第三項的規定立法院於每年這個集會的時候得聽取總統的國情報告應該是依憲法不答詢那至於總統發表報告的這個實際的方式為了避免這個淪為政治的攻防\n324602\t347098\t那也避免我們國情報告和行政院長施政的報告有這個撞起。建議參酌美國發表國情諮文報告的這種制度,朝向每年定期知情,立法院同意後到國會來進行報告。且為了符合我們這個憲政的權責,不應該有巡打的環節。\n348679\t375368\t總統府在這次的書面報告中也有提到總統赴立法院進行國情報告具有重要的這種憲政意義不論是現任的蔡總統或是即將上任的賴總統在符合憲政體制前提之下對於到立法院向國會及人民報告都並不排斥所以在此我想請教秘書長府方是否也認同總統到國會\n379465\t392571\t的部分這個秘書長您對這部分瞭解情況如何?我不太瞭解。那我們是不是請專委來回覆一下。那請專委上台。\n402901\t431556\t好,專委是那那個賴總統當選人曾經表示過在符合憲政體制之下他樂意向國會跟人民做報告那至於立法委員的職權行使的部分他是在依法核心的原則上尊重國會的共識尊重國會的共識\n432759\t456915\t那我們有沒有基本的一個這個基本的想法應該就是一樣是報告不答詢我想就是賴總統當選人的剛剛的講法這是我們的立場對是什麼立場\n461519\t473106\t就在符合憲政體制之下,賴總統當選人願意接受國庭報告。\n476704\t502187\t那民主黨我想請教一下,針對剛剛莊委講的部分,我們這個院方這邊可以這個配合這個府方的這種想法嗎?我們是以我們委員自己在立法過程的這個合意來做決定的。好,那還是尊重我們這個立法院最...我們委員自己的合意來決定到底要怎麼處理。\n503510\t506413\t好那我再請教最後一個問題對於國會改革的這個\n511451\t539549\t我們立法院職權行使法的這個制度是依據立法院組成第二條立法院行使憲法所賦予的這個職權而立法院這個組織法則是依照憲法第76條所訂定的那立法院職權行使法自這個民國88年總統公佈以來修正過11次秘書長這個長年在立法院服務參與過幾乎這個所有的過程我想請教\n540987\t541187\t五（委員\n558068\t571372\t國衛無法在修的時候是因為長官是要負責議事規範這部分那因為以前都是議事規則那我認為是因為職權的願績間一定要有法規範所以當時經過劉院長也跟幾個黨團協商同意還是定定在立法院職權行使法\n580794\t583417\t當時這樣的情形。經過11次的修正。我在96年以前的這個職權行使法修正我是有參與的。96年以後我就沒有參與。\n595735\t618784\t好其實改革是越要越改越好啦齁那我也期待說未來我們啊這個啊秘書長您可以協助相關的這個修法過程裡面能夠朝向這個民主極致大家所期待的一個目標來這個做修法啦齁那對於秘書長您簽稱自己是這個行政的幕僚長啦齁那在這次的這個報告中有\n620014\t637582\t大多尊重委員會的合意決定您剛剛也有說了或是尊重委員立法這個形成的自由但是對於有提案要以藐視國會知名來採取刑法手段這部分是否也有比較多的討論空間\n639548\t648938\t我二月五號來以後在二月六號我就請我們法治局在各個國家的一些這個整個聽證調查\n651004\t651965\t二）委員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具\n","txt":"主席 請周秘書長請周秘書長\n秦委員好。秦委員好。我想首先跟秘書長您討論一下針對我們國會擴建的計畫。國會除了一次法制面的改革外,攸關意識品質的硬體設備也急需改革。早在1990年的時候,我們立法院就提出要遷建這個華山車站。\n二）委員\n那也包括本席的選區在宜蘭的這個中心文創園區以及包括北部還有中部的幾個這個點那我想請教祕書長擴建的這個點位是否會重新評估還是還是會依照6選1或是會不排除會增加新的選項\n謝謝陳委員提出這一個國會擴建的計畫因為大概上一次在我郭勤勇報告的建議裡面委員也提出來現在大概我們也是在總務處那邊在做研擬那因為最主要是由院長在上一屆談話要結束在黨團協商他有提過要繼續再處理那繼續處理是這6個點\n那我上次也講過公督門來我接見他們又再提出來那我們會再演繹會再跟院長報告是不是就六個點或什麼大概我們總務處會有一個報告上來我們再跟院長報告那看要怎麼處理是不是接續有緣奶奶六個然後透過黨團協商來有一個共識再繼續推動大概可能是這樣所以點位的部分是還沒確定就對了\n因為我們也因為委員長所說是接續吧就繼續要處理但是他當時在第10屆是規劃6個點有6個點6個地方有6個地方好那我想請教秘書長就是上一屆我們有組成這個國會擴建的規劃及監督委員會那想請問未來我們是不是會再重新組成這種小組或是臨時的委員會來討論\n大概有總務處大概你來的時候再跟院長報告以後在是不是要透過黨團協商啦怎麼去決定啦那這整個我們在後續上還這報告應該還沒上來所以我也會變在這邊跟陳委員報告將來是怎麼做這個應該是委員合議的合議的狀況幕僚長只能說把any意見再往院長報告然後再看怎麼去處理\n好 所以聽起來如果以剛剛兩個問題聽起來我們對於這個問題秘書長您都還沒掌握相關的期程我個人是因為從82年這個從華山又變成空軍總部我都在啦是但我個人來講我是比較希望這一個國會是要擴建的啦\n二）委員\n好 那本席還是期待我們國會擴建能夠加速的這個啟動相關的期程那擴建不只是為了提升這個議事的品質也是為台灣民主發展一個很重要的里程碑那已經推動三十幾年了現在就差最後一里路所以也請秘書長能夠持續協助院長全力來推動我們國會的這個擴建案\n謝謝 謝謝接著我想請教就是說針對這個國情報告不答詢的部分那立法院我們將邀請總統到立法院做國情報告的部分我想在近期內這個委員都熱烈的在討論那對於這個專題報告\n也有很多的這種討論但在這個部分本席還是要主張就是針對我們憲法徵修的條文第四條第三項的規定立法院於每年這個集會的時候得聽取總統的國情報告應該是依憲法不答詢那至於總統發表報告的這個實際的方式為了避免這個淪為政治的攻防\n那也避免我們國情報告和行政院長施政的報告有這個撞起。建議參酌美國發表國情諮文報告的這種制度,朝向每年定期知情,立法院同意後到國會來進行報告。且為了符合我們這個憲政的權責,不應該有巡打的環節。\n總統府在這次的書面報告中也有提到總統赴立法院進行國情報告具有重要的這種憲政意義不論是現任的蔡總統或是即將上任的賴總統在符合憲政體制前提之下對於到立法院向國會及人民報告都並不排斥所以在此我想請教秘書長府方是否也認同總統到國會\n的部分這個秘書長您對這部分瞭解情況如何?我不太瞭解。那我們是不是請專委來回覆一下。那請專委上台。\n好,專委是那那個賴總統當選人曾經表示過在符合憲政體制之下他樂意向國會跟人民做報告那至於立法委員的職權行使的部分他是在依法核心的原則上尊重國會的共識尊重國會的共識\n那我們有沒有基本的一個這個基本的想法應該就是一樣是報告不答詢我想就是賴總統當選人的剛剛的講法這是我們的立場對是什麼立場\n就在符合憲政體制之下,賴總統當選人願意接受國庭報告。\n那民主黨我想請教一下,針對剛剛莊委講的部分,我們這個院方這邊可以這個配合這個府方的這種想法嗎?我們是以我們委員自己在立法過程的這個合意來做決定的。好,那還是尊重我們這個立法院最...我們委員自己的合意來決定到底要怎麼處理。\n好那我再請教最後一個問題對於國會改革的這個\n我們立法院職權行使法的這個制度是依據立法院組成第二條立法院行使憲法所賦予的這個職權而立法院這個組織法則是依照憲法第76條所訂定的那立法院職權行使法自這個民國88年總統公佈以來修正過11次秘書長這個長年在立法院服務參與過幾乎這個所有的過程我想請教\n五（委員\n國衛無法在修的時候是因為長官是要負責議事規範這部分那因為以前都是議事規則那我認為是因為職權的願績間一定要有法規範所以當時經過劉院長也跟幾個黨團協商同意還是定定在立法院職權行使法\n當時這樣的情形。經過11次的修正。我在96年以前的這個職權行使法修正我是有參與的。96年以後我就沒有參與。\n好其實改革是越要越改越好啦齁那我也期待說未來我們啊這個啊秘書長您可以協助相關的這個修法過程裡面能夠朝向這個民主極致大家所期待的一個目標來這個做修法啦齁那對於秘書長您簽稱自己是這個行政的幕僚長啦齁那在這次的這個報告中有\n大多尊重委員會的合意決定您剛剛也有說了或是尊重委員立法這個形成的自由但是對於有提案要以藐視國會知名來採取刑法手段這部分是否也有比較多的討論空間\n我二月五號來以後在二月六號我就請我們法治局在各個國家的一些這個整個聽證調查\n二）委員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:25.128 --> 00:27.251\n主席請周秘書長請周秘書長\n\n00:33.645 --> 00:54.056\n秦委員好。秦委員好。我想首先跟秘書長您討論一下針對我們國會擴建的計畫。國會除了一次法制面的改革外,攸關意識品質的硬體設備也急需改革。早在1990年的時候,我們立法院就提出要遷建這個華山車站。\n\n00:56.817 --> 00:56.857\n二）委員\n\n01:17.282 --> 01:38.437\n那也包括本席的選區在宜蘭的這個中心文創園區以及包括北部還有中部的幾個這個點那我想請教祕書長擴建的這個點位是否會重新評估還是還是會依照6選1或是會不排除會增加新的選項\n\n01:41.331 --> 02:04.522\n謝謝陳委員提出這一個國會擴建的計畫因為大概上一次在我郭勤勇報告的建議裡面委員也提出來現在大概我們也是在總務處那邊在做研擬那因為最主要是由院長在上一屆談話要結束在黨團協商他有提過要繼續再處理那繼續處理是這6個點\n\n02:09.204 --> 02:36.728\n那我上次也講過公督門來我接見他們又再提出來那我們會再演繹會再跟院長報告是不是就六個點或什麼大概我們總務處會有一個報告上來我們再跟院長報告那看要怎麼處理是不是接續有緣奶奶六個然後透過黨團協商來有一個共識再繼續推動大概可能是這樣所以點位的部分是還沒確定就對了\n\n02:38.249 --> 03:04.650\n因為我們也因為委員長所說是接續吧就繼續要處理但是他當時在第10屆是規劃6個點有6個點6個地方有6個地方好那我想請教秘書長就是上一屆我們有組成這個國會擴建的規劃及監督委員會那想請問未來我們是不是會再重新組成這種小組或是臨時的委員會來討論\n\n03:07.780 --> 03:34.782\n大概有總務處大概你來的時候再跟院長報告以後在是不是要透過黨團協商啦怎麼去決定啦那這整個我們在後續上還這報告應該還沒上來所以我也會變在這邊跟陳委員報告將來是怎麼做這個應該是委員合議的合議的狀況幕僚長只能說把any意見再往院長報告然後再看怎麼去處理\n\n03:35.540 --> 03:55.574\n好所以聽起來如果以剛剛兩個問題聽起來我們對於這個問題秘書長您都還沒掌握相關的期程我個人是因為從82年這個從華山又變成空軍總部我都在啦是但我個人來講我是比較希望這一個國會是要擴建的啦\n\n03:56.014 --> 03:56.154\n二）委員\n\n04:09.360 --> 04:32.271\n好那本席還是期待我們國會擴建能夠加速的這個啟動相關的期程那擴建不只是為了提升這個議事的品質也是為台灣民主發展一個很重要的里程碑那已經推動三十幾年了現在就差最後一里路所以也請秘書長能夠持續協助院長全力來推動我們國會的這個擴建案\n\n04:36.648 --> 04:52.273\n謝謝謝謝接著我想請教就是說針對這個國情報告不答詢的部分那立法院我們將邀請總統到立法院做國情報告的部分我想在近期內這個委員都熱烈的在討論那對於這個專題報告\n\n04:57.535 --> 05:23.576\n也有很多的這種討論但在這個部分本席還是要主張就是針對我們憲法徵修的條文第四條第三項的規定立法院於每年這個集會的時候得聽取總統的國情報告應該是依憲法不答詢那至於總統發表報告的這個實際的方式為了避免這個淪為政治的攻防\n\n05:24.602 --> 05:47.098\n那也避免我們國情報告和行政院長施政的報告有這個撞起。建議參酌美國發表國情諮文報告的這種制度,朝向每年定期知情,立法院同意後到國會來進行報告。且為了符合我們這個憲政的權責,不應該有巡打的環節。\n\n05:48.679 --> 06:15.368\n總統府在這次的書面報告中也有提到總統赴立法院進行國情報告具有重要的這種憲政意義不論是現任的蔡總統或是即將上任的賴總統在符合憲政體制前提之下對於到立法院向國會及人民報告都並不排斥所以在此我想請教秘書長府方是否也認同總統到國會\n\n06:19.465 --> 06:32.571\n的部分這個秘書長您對這部分瞭解情況如何?我不太瞭解。那我們是不是請專委來回覆一下。那請專委上台。\n\n06:42.901 --> 07:11.556\n好,專委是那那個賴總統當選人曾經表示過在符合憲政體制之下他樂意向國會跟人民做報告那至於立法委員的職權行使的部分他是在依法核心的原則上尊重國會的共識尊重國會的共識\n\n07:12.759 --> 07:36.915\n那我們有沒有基本的一個這個基本的想法應該就是一樣是報告不答詢我想就是賴總統當選人的剛剛的講法這是我們的立場對是什麼立場\n\n07:41.519 --> 07:53.106\n就在符合憲政體制之下,賴總統當選人願意接受國庭報告。\n\n07:56.704 --> 08:22.187\n那民主黨我想請教一下,針對剛剛莊委講的部分,我們這個院方這邊可以這個配合這個府方的這種想法嗎?我們是以我們委員自己在立法過程的這個合意來做決定的。好,那還是尊重我們這個立法院最...我們委員自己的合意來決定到底要怎麼處理。\n\n08:23.510 --> 08:26.413\n好那我再請教最後一個問題對於國會改革的這個\n\n08:31.451 --> 08:59.549\n我們立法院職權行使法的這個制度是依據立法院組成第二條立法院行使憲法所賦予的這個職權而立法院這個組織法則是依照憲法第76條所訂定的那立法院職權行使法自這個民國88年總統公佈以來修正過11次秘書長這個長年在立法院服務參與過幾乎這個所有的過程我想請教\n\n09:00.987 --> 09:01.187\n五（委員\n\n09:18.068 --> 09:31.372\n國衛無法在修的時候是因為長官是要負責議事規範這部分那因為以前都是議事規則那我認為是因為職權的願績間一定要有法規範所以當時經過劉院長也跟幾個黨團協商同意還是定定在立法院職權行使法\n\n09:40.794 --> 09:43.417\n當時這樣的情形。經過11次的修正。我在96年以前的這個職權行使法修正我是有參與的。96年以後我就沒有參與。\n\n09:55.735 --> 10:18.784\n好其實改革是越要越改越好啦齁那我也期待說未來我們啊這個啊秘書長您可以協助相關的這個修法過程裡面能夠朝向這個民主極致大家所期待的一個目標來這個做修法啦齁那對於秘書長您簽稱自己是這個行政的幕僚長啦齁那在這次的這個報告中有\n\n10:20.014 --> 10:37.582\n大多尊重委員會的合意決定您剛剛也有說了或是尊重委員立法這個形成的自由但是對於有提案要以藐視國會知名來採取刑法手段這部分是否也有比較多的討論空間\n\n10:39.548 --> 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請周秘書長請周秘書長"},{"start":33.645,"end":54.056,"text":"秦委員好。秦委員好。我想首先跟秘書長您討論一下針對我們國會擴建的計畫。國會除了一次法制面的改革外,攸關意識品質的硬體設備也急需改革。早在1990年的時候,我們立法院就提出要遷建這個華山車站。"},{"start":56.817,"end":56.857,"text":"二）委員"},{"start":77.282,"end":98.437,"text":"那也包括本席的選區在宜蘭的這個中心文創園區以及包括北部還有中部的幾個這個點那我想請教祕書長擴建的這個點位是否會重新評估還是還是會依照6選1或是會不排除會增加新的選項"},{"start":101.331,"end":124.522,"text":"謝謝陳委員提出這一個國會擴建的計畫因為大概上一次在我郭勤勇報告的建議裡面委員也提出來現在大概我們也是在總務處那邊在做研擬那因為最主要是由院長在上一屆談話要結束在黨團協商他有提過要繼續再處理那繼續處理是這6個點"},{"start":129.204,"end":156.728,"text":"那我上次也講過公督門來我接見他們又再提出來那我們會再演繹會再跟院長報告是不是就六個點或什麼大概我們總務處會有一個報告上來我們再跟院長報告那看要怎麼處理是不是接續有緣奶奶六個然後透過黨團協商來有一個共識再繼續推動大概可能是這樣所以點位的部分是還沒確定就對了"},{"start":158.249,"end":184.65,"text":"因為我們也因為委員長所說是接續吧就繼續要處理但是他當時在第10屆是規劃6個點有6個點6個地方有6個地方好那我想請教秘書長就是上一屆我們有組成這個國會擴建的規劃及監督委員會那想請問未來我們是不是會再重新組成這種小組或是臨時的委員會來討論"},{"start":187.78,"end":214.782,"text":"大概有總務處大概你來的時候再跟院長報告以後在是不是要透過黨團協商啦怎麼去決定啦那這整個我們在後續上還這報告應該還沒上來所以我也會變在這邊跟陳委員報告將來是怎麼做這個應該是委員合議的合議的狀況幕僚長只能說把any意見再往院長報告然後再看怎麼去處理"},{"start":215.54,"end":235.574,"text":"好 所以聽起來如果以剛剛兩個問題聽起來我們對於這個問題秘書長您都還沒掌握相關的期程我個人是因為從82年這個從華山又變成空軍總部我都在啦是但我個人來講我是比較希望這一個國會是要擴建的啦"},{"start":236.014,"end":236.154,"text":"二）委員"},{"start":249.36,"end":272.271,"text":"好 那本席還是期待我們國會擴建能夠加速的這個啟動相關的期程那擴建不只是為了提升這個議事的品質也是為台灣民主發展一個很重要的里程碑那已經推動三十幾年了現在就差最後一里路所以也請秘書長能夠持續協助院長全力來推動我們國會的這個擴建案"},{"start":276.648,"end":292.273,"text":"謝謝 謝謝接著我想請教就是說針對這個國情報告不答詢的部分那立法院我們將邀請總統到立法院做國情報告的部分我想在近期內這個委員都熱烈的在討論那對於這個專題報告"},{"start":297.535,"end":323.576,"text":"也有很多的這種討論但在這個部分本席還是要主張就是針對我們憲法徵修的條文第四條第三項的規定立法院於每年這個集會的時候得聽取總統的國情報告應該是依憲法不答詢那至於總統發表報告的這個實際的方式為了避免這個淪為政治的攻防"},{"start":324.602,"end":347.098,"text":"那也避免我們國情報告和行政院長施政的報告有這個撞起。建議參酌美國發表國情諮文報告的這種制度,朝向每年定期知情,立法院同意後到國會來進行報告。且為了符合我們這個憲政的權責,不應該有巡打的環節。"},{"start":348.679,"end":375.368,"text":"總統府在這次的書面報告中也有提到總統赴立法院進行國情報告具有重要的這種憲政意義不論是現任的蔡總統或是即將上任的賴總統在符合憲政體制前提之下對於到立法院向國會及人民報告都並不排斥所以在此我想請教秘書長府方是否也認同總統到國會"},{"start":379.465,"end":392.571,"text":"的部分這個秘書長您對這部分瞭解情況如何?我不太瞭解。那我們是不是請專委來回覆一下。那請專委上台。"},{"start":402.901,"end":431.556,"text":"好,專委是那那個賴總統當選人曾經表示過在符合憲政體制之下他樂意向國會跟人民做報告那至於立法委員的職權行使的部分他是在依法核心的原則上尊重國會的共識尊重國會的共識"},{"start":432.759,"end":456.915,"text":"那我們有沒有基本的一個這個基本的想法應該就是一樣是報告不答詢我想就是賴總統當選人的剛剛的講法這是我們的立場對是什麼立場"},{"start":461.519,"end":473.106,"text":"就在符合憲政體制之下,賴總統當選人願意接受國庭報告。"},{"start":476.704,"end":502.187,"text":"那民主黨我想請教一下,針對剛剛莊委講的部分,我們這個院方這邊可以這個配合這個府方的這種想法嗎?我們是以我們委員自己在立法過程的這個合意來做決定的。好,那還是尊重我們這個立法院最...我們委員自己的合意來決定到底要怎麼處理。"},{"start":503.51,"end":506.413,"text":"好那我再請教最後一個問題對於國會改革的這個"},{"start":511.451,"end":539.549,"text":"我們立法院職權行使法的這個制度是依據立法院組成第二條立法院行使憲法所賦予的這個職權而立法院這個組織法則是依照憲法第76條所訂定的那立法院職權行使法自這個民國88年總統公佈以來修正過11次秘書長這個長年在立法院服務參與過幾乎這個所有的過程我想請教"},{"start":540.987,"end":541.187,"text":"五（委員"},{"start":558.068,"end":571.372,"text":"國衛無法在修的時候是因為長官是要負責議事規範這部分那因為以前都是議事規則那我認為是因為職權的願績間一定要有法規範所以當時經過劉院長也跟幾個黨團協商同意還是定定在立法院職權行使法"},{"start":580.794,"end":583.417,"text":"當時這樣的情形。經過11次的修正。我在96年以前的這個職權行使法修正我是有參與的。96年以後我就沒有參與。"},{"start":595.735,"end":618.784,"text":"好其實改革是越要越改越好啦齁那我也期待說未來我們啊這個啊秘書長您可以協助相關的這個修法過程裡面能夠朝向這個民主極致大家所期待的一個目標來這個做修法啦齁那對於秘書長您簽稱自己是這個行政的幕僚長啦齁那在這次的這個報告中有"},{"start":620.014,"end":637.582,"text":"大多尊重委員會的合意決定您剛剛也有說了或是尊重委員立法這個形成的自由但是對於有提案要以藐視國會知名來採取刑法手段這部分是否也有比較多的討論空間"},{"start":639.548,"end":648.938,"text":"我二月五號來以後在二月六號我就請我們法治局在各個國家的一些這個整個聽證調查"},{"start":651.004,"end":651.965,"text":"二）委員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具"}]}}}}