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00:02:36,813\n主席\n\n9\n00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:25,148\n主委那我想這邊要特別強調就是說我們屏東縣長期因為一個城鄉的落差所以包含我們的自來水普及率、人行道的普及率還有污水的處理這些很多的基礎建設明顯的落後我們的一個所謂的都會區那未來我們國會怎麼樣針對屏東縣來做一個相關的資源的一個規劃怎麼樣來協助屏東的發展\n\n10\n00:03:30,471 --> 00:03:48,170\n請主委回答一個地方的發展有幾項重要的建設重大建設要處理的第一個您剛才提到的交通建設這個部分這個是人來人往都需要這個交通來做支持那另外就是產業的發展所以我們在前幾年合訂了這個\n\n11\n00:03:49,831 --> 00:04:06,158\n沿著這個高鐵如果到屏東的話那屏東的六塊柱將來就會有一個科學園區來做一些發展作為基礎那如果以這個作為基礎的話如果發展起來那可能規劃就可以更大那地方就可以慢慢繁榮起來大概有這樣的一個思考\n\n12\n00:04:07,413 --> 00:04:26,366\n主委那這邊要特別還是要拜託我們國安會因為我們相關的期程在整個規劃上面包含所謂的一個可行性評估綜合規劃跟環評這個時間都拉得非常非常的長那怎麼樣來做有效的一個整合把時程拉短這部分主委能不能來做協助\n\n13\n00:04:26,866 --> 00:04:42,199\n是,就是說國安會作為這個剛剛提到審議跟這個協調機關來講一旦這個是政策是很重要的方向那我們就會全力支持把這個事情做好那所以就是說我們審議的過程當中我們不是說表達怎麼樣的反對而是說\n\n14\n00:04:43,300 --> 00:05:07,654\n因為你有許多的法規,包括我們講這個環評你需要考量到還有地方的意見上的共識,還有是不是經過敏感地區等等的一些還有用地取得,那這個都需要有一點時間把它處理好,那你才有辦法在施工的時候就很快,不然你先期作業這些都沒有處理好,用地取得跟環評都沒有處理好,直接就施工的話,那就\n\n15\n00:05:08,194 --> 00:05:10,235\n他這個程序一個步驟一個步驟都有他的這個原理跟基礎在的\n\n16\n00:05:21,367 --> 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