{"id":150732,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150732","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c025856ecb8b5e19c3f7510a295be7434bf8ba9b0039caa7a6b9486bad3d5cf06a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"張智倫","委員發言時間":"10:07:20 - 10:18:49","影片長度":"00:11:29","會議時間":"2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。(僅詢答)【4月1日及3日兩天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":9,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-11-1-15-9"},"date":"2024-04-01","duration":689,"end_time":"2024-04-01T10:18:49+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-01T10:07:20+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":320,"blocks":[["張委員智倫：（10時7分）謝謝主席，各位委員、各位官員、各位媒體先進，大家早安，大家好。我們有請主委。"],["主席：有請夷將主委。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：張委員好。"],["張委員智倫：主委早，首先恭喜主委，主委是非常認真的主委。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：謝謝。"],["張委員智倫：從蔡英文總統2016年520就職典禮到現在，你都擔任主委的工作，想必你對原住民的服務跟建設一定用了非常多的心力，得到蔡總統跟歷任行政院長的支持跟肯定。首先，本席要跟您請教一下，今年520賴清德總統即將就職，請問你會續任原住民委員會的主委嗎？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：不會。"],["張委員智倫：為什麼不會？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：因為後面還有很多人才可以接棒。"],["張委員智倫：真的嗎？確定之後不會……"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：因為我已經是原民會歷任主委中做最久的，我怕後面排隊的都會受不了了，所以我會讓位。"],["張委員智倫：我覺得既然你對原住民的議題跟想法這麼的深厚，希望你還是可以跟賴清德準總統討論看看是不是續任，延續這些原住民的優質政策。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：謝謝委員，我們原住民人才濟濟，不用擔心，後面都會做得比我更好。"],["張委員智倫：好，接下來我要請教主委一個問題，就是原住民健康的問題，我相信主委非常在意，跟主委報告一下，我國現在所有人的平均壽命，105年是80歲，111年大概是79.84歲，相差並不多，因為您知道當時有COVID-19的疫情，造成平均壽命沒有往上增加。可是原住民族的平均壽命，從105年的71.92歲到111年只增加到73.65歲，所以顧名思義，原住民朋友的平均壽命較一般國人的平均壽命大概有6歲以上的差距喔！請問主委，您清楚這件事情嗎？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：委員，的確，你提供的數據是目前的狀況，不過我跟委員補充報告，因為你剛才有提到疫情期間反而我們國人的平均餘命往下降，但是因為這幾年，我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站，普設文化健康站以後，原住民的平均餘命跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下六年多，雖然還很長，但是五年前是差八年多，現在拉近到六年多，這個我們會繼續努力。"],["張委員智倫：好，拜託主委這邊要多注意這些事情。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：是"],["張委員智倫：因為就我們原住民的十大死因中，其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病、呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國平均，所以現在目前還是有存在健康不平等的情況。當然立法院在2023年5月份也通過了原住民健康法，就是希望你們可以投入更多心力來照顧原住民的健康問題。所以本席在這邊針對原住民的健康問題，因為今年總統大選的期間，本黨的總統候選人也有提出來，是不是有機會針對所有65歲以上原住民族的健保費來做補貼，請問主委對這個想法有什麼看法嗎？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：跟委員報告，其實原住民健保費的補助這幾年也都有，像六類二目的部分都是有補貼的，現在65歲以上全面補助這個部分涉及到我們跟衛福部要做一個協商，有沒有可能在國家預算的承擔之下，可以來做這樣一個處理。"],["張委員智倫：當時跟主委報告一下，現在在六都的部分，65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼，因為我們有些原住民的好朋友不在六都以內，所以本席還是要拜託主委，可以先去試算一下，如果要補貼的話，總金額大概是多少？原民會有沒有這樣的預算？如果可以的話，我相信對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有幫助。","第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於社會住宅的問題，先請教主委一下好了，您這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民朋友，尤其年輕人，不管是年輕人或各個年齡、族群，因為他們普遍在經濟上沒有那麼充足啦，是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：對，我跟委員報告，因為我長期住在新北市，在都市地區的原住民房屋自有率比一般人低很多，這是普遍的現象，沒有錯，他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到讓他可以承擔貸款的房子，大部分都是租房子比較多。"],["張委員智倫：對，我請問一下，主委這邊有什麼想法可以協助這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅？或是說現在新北市有一些是專門for原住民的社會住宅，我舉例比如新店中正社宅以及三峽隆恩埔社會住宅的部分，這兩個社宅目前的規定，本席聽說以租賃來講的話是3年可以作為一期租賃，未來如果要延續續租的話還可以再3年。現在普遍大家討論到的是，既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得房子，是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以買社宅的地上權？然後未來有機會由原住民的好朋友賣地上權的房子，沒有土地，只有買房子的地上權，未來可以讓原住民賣給原住民的好朋友？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我再跟委員做補充報告，目前住在社宅的原住民大概有九千多戶，剛剛委員提到購買地上的房子這個部分，以前我在新北市當議員的時候也是主張這樣子，像我們新北市新店的溪洲部落和鶯歌的三鶯部落，應該讓他們取得地上權房屋這個部分，可能還要跟我們相關政府做溝通，才可能做這樣的處理。"],["張委員智倫：好，所以聽起來……"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：就是以租代購的方式……"],["張委員智倫：以租代購？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：就是用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年來付貸款，這個政策要做決定，才可能讓他們買那個房子。"],["張委員智倫：好啊，不然主委，有機會會後我們再討論看看，如何來往這個方向來推動，讓原住民朋友他們有機會可以取得，就是比照長期，有點像地上權的概念而取得房屋的使用權。在這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分，就是有關於原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得房子有困難，本席也有很多原住民的好朋友，他目前不是排原住民社宅，而是在排一般社宅時，發現到基本上排不太進去，您這邊有沒有幫我統計一下目前原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分，有關排隊的情形是不是排很多人？就是很多原住民好朋友事實上因為本身經濟負擔的情形比較不好，可是排房子也是排不到的問題。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我們在社宅的比例，不管在新北市、在桃園市都有原民人口優先進駐這樣的比例出來。"],["張委員智倫：有沒有統計現在目前還在排隊的原住民好朋友大概人數有多少？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我們會後再做統計，提供給委員做個參考。"],["張委員智倫：因為本席現在目前收到的訊息是，很多原住民的好朋友排社宅是排不到的一個情形啦！所以因為你是主委，有沒有辦法來協助他們？不是要他們有什麼樣的特權，而是第一個，要來加強原住民社宅的興建；第二個，是不是來協助這些原住民，在他們排社宅的時候，他們的資料準備是不是不充裕，還是他們有遇到相關一些問題？我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：像目前以新北市來講，以原住民為主的集合式住宅，就是社宅，我知道在新北市樹林有一個社宅的規劃，這個部分，我們會持續跟新北市政府還有內政部一起來解決關於經費的問題。"],["張委員智倫：好，最後還剩1分鐘的時間，主委，最近我們內政委員會在修海洋保育法，基本上像高金召委她非常在意的就是原住民權益的問題，也希望主委這邊一定要來協助我們召委，對於現在在修的海洋保育法有沒有影響到原住民族傳統文化跟一些祭儀、祭典，就一般來講有沒有影響到？我希望在會後是不是可以討論一下或給我們一個報告，有關於海洋保育法即將實施後，原住民族可能遇到的問題，針對相關的一些規劃作法以及解決的方案，有沒有機會提供書面給本席參考？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：可以，而且跟委員補充報告，我也注意到，海洋保育法已經做了公聽會，其實管主委也私底下跟我聯繫，未來我們院版送到大院的法案部分，還有什麼關於原住民的部分需要充實的，我們很願意跟各個委員再做一個溝通，看看怎麼樣更落實保障原住民的海洋使用權，我們會兼顧保育這個部分一起來努力。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝主席，謝謝。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝張智倫委員，也謝謝夷將主委。","我們請張智倫委員代理主席，好嗎？謝謝。"],["主席（張委員智倫代）：請高金委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":188,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-9","speakers":["高金素梅","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:00,880\n好那接下來我先請教主委一個問題就是說這個原住民的這個健康的問題其實是我相信主委你非常的這個在意的部分跟主委報告一下我國現在臺灣的\n\n7\n00:02:04,764 --> 00:02:24,496\n所有的人平均的壽命從105年他是80歲那111年大概是79.84歲其實相差並不多因為你知道當時有沒有疫情COVID-19的原因造成這個平均壽命沒有沒有往上增加那可是軍隊原住民族他的平均壽命是從105年的71.92歲\n\n8\n00:02:28,999 --> 00:02:50,969\n到111年只有增加到73.65歲所以顧名思義他的這個平均壽命叫一般原住民朋友的平均壽命叫一般國人平均的壽命有大概6歲以上的差距請問主委你清楚這件事情嗎委員的確你提供的數據是目前的狀況不過我跟委員補充報告\n\n9\n00:02:52,881 --> 00:03:19,481\n這幾年因為你剛剛有提到這個疫情期間反而我們國人的平均移民往下降但是因為這幾年我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站普赦文化健康站以後我們這幾年的原住民的平均移民跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下6年多雖然還很長但是5年前是差8年多現在拉近到6年多這個我們會繼續努力\n\n10\n00:03:19,963 --> 00:03:44,631\n好那拜託主委這邊要多來注意這些事情因為就我們原住民的十大死因中其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國的平均所以還是有現在目前還是有存在著健康不平等的情況那當然立法院在2023年的5月份也通過了這個原住民的健康法\n\n11\n00:03:45,091 --> 00:04:12,792\n那就是希望說你們可以投入更多的心力來照顧原住民的健康的問題所以本席在這邊針對這個原住民的健康的問題是不是因為當時我相信在今年總統大選的期間也有我們本黨的候選人總統候選人有提出來說是不是有機會針對我們所有65歲以上的我們的原住民族的健保費來去做這個補貼的動作\n\n12\n00:04:16,001 --> 00:04:44,696\n那學院主委對這個想法有什麼看法嗎跟委員報告其實原住民的健保費的補助這幾年也都有像六列二目的部分都是有補貼的那現在65歲以上前面的補助這個部分這個涉及到我們要跟我們的這個衛福部要做一個協商有沒有可能在國家的預算的承擔之下可以來做這樣的一個處理\n\n13\n00:04:46,634 --> 00:05:15,372\n因為當時跟主委報告一下現在在六都的部分65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼那因為我們原住民的好朋友有些不在六都以內所以本席還是這邊要拜託我們的主委的部分可以先去試算一下如果要補貼的話總金額大概是多少那原民會有沒有這樣的預算如果可以的話我相信可以對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有一個\n\n14\n00:05:16,512 --> 00:05:41,478\n幫助的部分那第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於這個社會住宅的一個問題因為大家都知道說先請教主委一下好了你這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民的朋友是不是尤其年輕人不管年輕人各個年齡族群是不是取得房屋取得他們因為普遍經濟上沒有那麼的充足是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難\n\n15\n00:05:43,899 --> 00:06:03,045\n對,像因為我根本包括因為我長期住在新北市那在都市地區的原住民的房屋自由利比一般的低很多這是普遍的現象沒有錯他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到可以讓他可以來承擔貸款的這樣的一個房子大部分都是租房子比較多\n\n16\n00:06:03,545 --> 00:06:22,913\n對那我請問一下那主委這邊有什麼想法可以來協助我們這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅或是說現在新北市有一些是專門這個原住民的社會住宅比如舉例有新店中正社宅以及三峽榮恩社會住宅的部分\n\n17\n00:06:23,713 --> 00:06:49,944\n那這兩個社宅目前的規定本期聽說是就是以租賃來講的話是三年三年可以作為一起的租賃然後未來可以如果要延續續租的話可以再三年那現在我相信現在普遍大家討論到的是說那因為既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得這個房子那是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以來買這個社宅的地上權\n\n18\n00:06:51,064 --> 00:07:19,205\n然後未來有機會就是說由原住民的好朋友賣這個地上權的房子沒有土地只有買房子的地上權然後未來可以原住民賣給原住民的好朋友我在跟委員做補充的報告目前住在社宅的原住民大概有90009000多戶剛剛委員提到這個部分就是購買地上的房子這個部分以前我在新北市當議員的時候我也是主張這樣子像\n\n19\n00:07:20,586 --> 00:07:48,086\n我們清北市的新店的山陰部落啦或者是這個西座部落跟這個英哥的山陰部落應該讓他們取得地上錢的房屋這個部分這個可能還要跟我們的相關的政府要這個溝通才可能做這樣的處理以租代購的方式以租代購用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年的可以來付那個貸款\n\n20\n00:07:49,782 --> 00:08:09,143\n這個政策要做決定才可能讓他們買那個房子不然主委我們有機會會後我們再討論看看如何來往這個方向來推動讓原住民的朋友他們有機會是可以取得比如說比較長期有點像地上權的這個概念取得這個房屋的這個使用權\n\n21\n00:08:12,482 --> 00:08:28,079\n這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分就是說有關於這個我們原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得這個房子的困難那我本身本席有很多原住民的好朋友他在目前不是這個原住民的社宅而是在排一般的社宅的時候\n\n22\n00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:49,645\n有發現到就是基本上排不太進去那您是不是有幫我統計一下說目前我們原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分他排隊的情形是不是排的很多人就是很多原住民的好朋友其實是事實上是他沒有因為就是說本身因為經濟負擔情形比較不好那可是也是排房子也是排不到的問題\n\n23\n00:08:50,575 --> 00:09:05,784\n我們在社宅的比例像不管在新北市在桃園市都有原住民人口比例優先進駐這樣一個比例出來那大概有沒有統計一下說現在目前還有排隊的我們原住民的好朋友大概人數多少\n\n24\n00:09:06,184 --> 00:09:30,015\n我們會後再做統計提供委員參考因為本席現在目前收到的訊息是說很多原住民的好朋友目前來講他是排社宅是排不到的一個情形那所以說因為你是主委嘛有沒有辦法來協助他們不是說要他們說有什麼樣的特權而是說第一個原住民的社宅的興建要來加強第二個是不是說來協助這些原住民\n\n25\n00:09:30,635 --> 00:09:58,485\n怎麼樣在他們排涉宅的時候他們的資料準備是不是不充裕還是他們遇到相關的一些問題我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看所以像現在目前以新北市來講的話呢以原住民為主的這個集合式的住宅就涉宅那我知道在新北市的樹林有一個涉宅的規劃這個部分我們會仔細的跟新北市政府還有內政部來我們一起來解決關於經費的問題\n\n26\n00:10:00,353 --> 00:10:29,452\n好最後還有剩一分鐘的時間那主委最近我們內政委員會有在修這個海洋保育法的問題那基本上像我們高軍昭偉他非常在意的就是原住民的權益的問題那也希望說這邊主委的部分一定要來協助我們昭偉對於現在在修的這個海洋保育法有沒有影響到我們這個原住民祖他傳統的文化跟技藝的一些祭典的一些的\n\n27\n00:10:30,994 --> 00:10:54,432\n一般來講的有沒有影響到那我希望說會後的部分是不是可以討論一下說或是給我們一個報告說現在有關於海洋保育法現在未來即將實施後跟原住民族可能遇到問題是不是有機會相關的一些規劃做法及解決的方案有沒有機會提供書面給本席來參考可以而且跟委員補充報告\n\n28\n00:10:55,453 --> 00:11:21,996\n我也注意到海洋保育法已經做了公聽會那其實管委員也私底下跟我聯繫說未來我們院版送到大院的這個法案的部分還有什麼需要在關於原住民的部分需要充實的我們很願意跟各個委員再做一個溝通看看怎麼樣更落實保障原住民的海洋的這個食用錢這個部分我們會兼顧保育這個部分來一起來努力\n\n29\n00:11:23,638 --> 00:11:29,172\n好,謝謝主席,謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝張志倫委員,謝謝一江主委。我們請張志倫委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n29\t2110\t主席、各位委員、各位官員、各位媒體先進。大家早安、大家好。我們是有請主委。有請一將主委。\n26223\t40577\t主委早首先恭喜你恭喜主委主委是非常認真的主委從蔡英文總統2016年520就職典禮到現在你都擔任我們這個主委的工作相比你對這個\n44000\t70450\t對原住民的服務跟建設上用了非常多的心力不管是蔡總統跟歷任行政院長的支持跟肯定首先本席要跟您請教一下今年的520賴清德總統即將就職請問你會續任我們原住民委員會的主委嗎不會為什麼不會因為我們後面還有很多人才可以接棒\n75453\t85703\t因為我已經是原民會第一任主委做最久的我怕後面排隊都會受不了了所以我會浪費對阿我覺得\n89426\t107817\t既然如果你對這個原住民的議題跟想法這麼的深厚那我相信說希望你還是可以跟我們賴清德總統討論看看是不是繼續續任來延續這些原住民優質的一些政策謝謝委員我們原住民人才積極的不用擔心畫面都會做得比我更好\n108663\t120880\t好那接下來我先請教主委一個問題就是說這個原住民的這個健康的問題其實是我相信主委你非常的這個在意的部分跟主委報告一下我國現在臺灣的\n124764\t144496\t所有的人平均的壽命從105年他是80歲那111年大概是79.84歲其實相差並不多因為你知道當時有沒有疫情COVID-19的原因造成這個平均壽命沒有沒有往上增加那可是軍隊原住民族他的平均壽命是從105年的71.92歲\n148999\t170969\t到111年只有增加到73.65歲所以顧名思義他的這個平均壽命叫一般原住民朋友的平均壽命叫一般國人平均的壽命有大概6歲以上的差距請問主委你清楚這件事情嗎委員的確你提供的數據是目前的狀況不過我跟委員補充報告\n172881\t199481\t這幾年因為你剛剛有提到這個疫情期間反而我們國人的平均移民往下降但是因為這幾年我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站普赦文化健康站以後我們這幾年的原住民的平均移民跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下6年多雖然還很長但是5年前是差8年多現在拉近到6年多這個我們會繼續努力\n199963\t224631\t好那拜託主委這邊要多來注意這些事情因為就我們原住民的十大死因中其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國的平均所以還是有現在目前還是有存在著健康不平等的情況那當然立法院在2023年的5月份也通過了這個原住民的健康法\n225091\t252792\t那就是希望說你們可以投入更多的心力來照顧原住民的健康的問題所以本席在這邊針對這個原住民的健康的問題是不是因為當時我相信在今年總統大選的期間也有我們本黨的候選人總統候選人有提出來說是不是有機會針對我們所有65歲以上的我們的原住民族的健保費來去做這個補貼的動作\n256001\t284696\t那學院主委對這個想法有什麼看法嗎跟委員報告其實原住民的健保費的補助這幾年也都有像六列二目的部分都是有補貼的那現在65歲以上前面的補助這個部分這個涉及到我們要跟我們的這個衛福部要做一個協商有沒有可能在國家的預算的承擔之下可以來做這樣的一個處理\n286634\t315372\t因為當時跟主委報告一下現在在六都的部分65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼那因為我們原住民的好朋友有些不在六都以內所以本席還是這邊要拜託我們的主委的部分可以先去試算一下如果要補貼的話總金額大概是多少那原民會有沒有這樣的預算如果可以的話我相信可以對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有一個\n316512\t341478\t幫助的部分那第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於這個社會住宅的一個問題因為大家都知道說先請教主委一下好了你這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民的朋友是不是尤其年輕人不管年輕人各個年齡族群是不是取得房屋取得他們因為普遍經濟上沒有那麼的充足是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難\n343899\t363045\t對,像因為我根本包括因為我長期住在新北市那在都市地區的原住民的房屋自由利比一般的低很多這是普遍的現象沒有錯他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到可以讓他可以來承擔貸款的這樣的一個房子大部分都是租房子比較多\n363545\t382913\t對那我請問一下那主委這邊有什麼想法可以來協助我們這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅或是說現在新北市有一些是專門這個原住民的社會住宅比如舉例有新店中正社宅以及三峽榮恩社會住宅的部分\n383713\t409944\t那這兩個社宅目前的規定本期聽說是就是以租賃來講的話是三年三年可以作為一起的租賃然後未來可以如果要延續續租的話可以再三年那現在我相信現在普遍大家討論到的是說那因為既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得這個房子那是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以來買這個社宅的地上權\n411064\t439205\t然後未來有機會就是說由原住民的好朋友賣這個地上權的房子沒有土地只有買房子的地上權然後未來可以原住民賣給原住民的好朋友我在跟委員做補充的報告目前住在社宅的原住民大概有90009000多戶剛剛委員提到這個部分就是購買地上的房子這個部分以前我在新北市當議員的時候我也是主張這樣子像\n440586\t468086\t我們清北市的新店的山陰部落啦或者是這個西座部落跟這個英哥的山陰部落應該讓他們取得地上錢的房屋這個部分這個可能還要跟我們的相關的政府要這個溝通才可能做這樣的處理以租代購的方式以租代購用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年的可以來付那個貸款\n469782\t489143\t這個政策要做決定才可能讓他們買那個房子不然主委我們有機會會後我們再討論看看如何來往這個方向來推動讓原住民的朋友他們有機會是可以取得比如說比較長期有點像地上權的這個概念取得這個房屋的這個使用權\n492482\t508079\t這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分就是說有關於這個我們原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得這個房子的困難那我本身本席有很多原住民的好朋友他在目前不是這個原住民的社宅而是在排一般的社宅的時候\n508900\t529645\t有發現到就是基本上排不太進去那您是不是有幫我統計一下說目前我們原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分他排隊的情形是不是排的很多人就是很多原住民的好朋友其實是事實上是他沒有因為就是說本身因為經濟負擔情形比較不好那可是也是排房子也是排不到的問題\n530575\t545784\t我們在社宅的比例像不管在新北市在桃園市都有原住民人口比例優先進駐這樣一個比例出來那大概有沒有統計一下說現在目前還有排隊的我們原住民的好朋友大概人數多少\n546184\t570015\t我們會後再做統計提供委員參考因為本席現在目前收到的訊息是說很多原住民的好朋友目前來講他是排社宅是排不到的一個情形那所以說因為你是主委嘛有沒有辦法來協助他們不是說要他們說有什麼樣的特權而是說第一個原住民的社宅的興建要來加強第二個是不是說來協助這些原住民\n570635\t598485\t怎麼樣在他們排涉宅的時候他們的資料準備是不是不充裕還是他們遇到相關的一些問題我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看所以像現在目前以新北市來講的話呢以原住民為主的這個集合式的住宅就涉宅那我知道在新北市的樹林有一個涉宅的規劃這個部分我們會仔細的跟新北市政府還有內政部來我們一起來解決關於經費的問題\n600353\t629452\t好 最後還有剩一分鐘的時間那主委最近我們內政委員會有在修這個海洋保育法的問題那基本上像我們高軍昭偉他非常在意的就是原住民的權益的問題那也希望說這邊主委的部分一定要來協助我們昭偉對於現在在修的這個海洋保育法有沒有影響到我們這個原住民祖他傳統的文化跟技藝的一些祭典的一些的\n630994\t654432\t一般來講的有沒有影響到那我希望說會後的部分是不是可以討論一下說或是給我們一個報告說現在有關於海洋保育法現在未來即將實施後跟原住民族可能遇到問題是不是有機會相關的一些規劃做法及解決的方案有沒有機會提供書面給本席來參考可以而且跟委員補充報告\n655453\t681996\t我也注意到海洋保育法已經做了公聽會那其實管委員也私底下跟我聯繫說未來我們院版送到大院的這個法案的部分還有什麼需要在關於原住民的部分需要充實的我們很願意跟各個委員再做一個溝通看看怎麼樣更落實保障原住民的海洋的這個食用錢這個部分我們會兼顧保育這個部分來一起來努力\n683638\t689172\t好,謝謝主席,謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝張志倫委員,謝謝一江主委。我們請張志倫委員\n","txt":"主席、各位委員、各位官員、各位媒體先進。大家早安、大家好。我們是有請主委。有請一將主委。\n主委早首先恭喜你恭喜主委主委是非常認真的主委從蔡英文總統2016年520就職典禮到現在你都擔任我們這個主委的工作相比你對這個\n對原住民的服務跟建設上用了非常多的心力不管是蔡總統跟歷任行政院長的支持跟肯定首先本席要跟您請教一下今年的520賴清德總統即將就職請問你會續任我們原住民委員會的主委嗎不會為什麼不會因為我們後面還有很多人才可以接棒\n因為我已經是原民會第一任主委做最久的我怕後面排隊都會受不了了所以我會浪費對阿我覺得\n既然如果你對這個原住民的議題跟想法這麼的深厚那我相信說希望你還是可以跟我們賴清德總統討論看看是不是繼續續任來延續這些原住民優質的一些政策謝謝委員我們原住民人才積極的不用擔心畫面都會做得比我更好\n好那接下來我先請教主委一個問題就是說這個原住民的這個健康的問題其實是我相信主委你非常的這個在意的部分跟主委報告一下我國現在臺灣的\n所有的人平均的壽命從105年他是80歲那111年大概是79.84歲其實相差並不多因為你知道當時有沒有疫情COVID-19的原因造成這個平均壽命沒有沒有往上增加那可是軍隊原住民族他的平均壽命是從105年的71.92歲\n到111年只有增加到73.65歲所以顧名思義他的這個平均壽命叫一般原住民朋友的平均壽命叫一般國人平均的壽命有大概6歲以上的差距請問主委你清楚這件事情嗎委員的確你提供的數據是目前的狀況不過我跟委員補充報告\n這幾年因為你剛剛有提到這個疫情期間反而我們國人的平均移民往下降但是因為這幾年我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站普赦文化健康站以後我們這幾年的原住民的平均移民跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下6年多雖然還很長但是5年前是差8年多現在拉近到6年多這個我們會繼續努力\n好那拜託主委這邊要多來注意這些事情因為就我們原住民的十大死因中其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國的平均所以還是有現在目前還是有存在著健康不平等的情況那當然立法院在2023年的5月份也通過了這個原住民的健康法\n那就是希望說你們可以投入更多的心力來照顧原住民的健康的問題所以本席在這邊針對這個原住民的健康的問題是不是因為當時我相信在今年總統大選的期間也有我們本黨的候選人總統候選人有提出來說是不是有機會針對我們所有65歲以上的我們的原住民族的健保費來去做這個補貼的動作\n那學院主委對這個想法有什麼看法嗎跟委員報告其實原住民的健保費的補助這幾年也都有像六列二目的部分都是有補貼的那現在65歲以上前面的補助這個部分這個涉及到我們要跟我們的這個衛福部要做一個協商有沒有可能在國家的預算的承擔之下可以來做這樣的一個處理\n因為當時跟主委報告一下現在在六都的部分65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼那因為我們原住民的好朋友有些不在六都以內所以本席還是這邊要拜託我們的主委的部分可以先去試算一下如果要補貼的話總金額大概是多少那原民會有沒有這樣的預算如果可以的話我相信可以對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有一個\n幫助的部分那第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於這個社會住宅的一個問題因為大家都知道說先請教主委一下好了你這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民的朋友是不是尤其年輕人不管年輕人各個年齡族群是不是取得房屋取得他們因為普遍經濟上沒有那麼的充足是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難\n對,像因為我根本包括因為我長期住在新北市那在都市地區的原住民的房屋自由利比一般的低很多這是普遍的現象沒有錯他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到可以讓他可以來承擔貸款的這樣的一個房子大部分都是租房子比較多\n對那我請問一下那主委這邊有什麼想法可以來協助我們這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅或是說現在新北市有一些是專門這個原住民的社會住宅比如舉例有新店中正社宅以及三峽榮恩社會住宅的部分\n那這兩個社宅目前的規定本期聽說是就是以租賃來講的話是三年三年可以作為一起的租賃然後未來可以如果要延續續租的話可以再三年那現在我相信現在普遍大家討論到的是說那因為既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得這個房子那是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以來買這個社宅的地上權\n然後未來有機會就是說由原住民的好朋友賣這個地上權的房子沒有土地只有買房子的地上權然後未來可以原住民賣給原住民的好朋友我在跟委員做補充的報告目前住在社宅的原住民大概有90009000多戶剛剛委員提到這個部分就是購買地上的房子這個部分以前我在新北市當議員的時候我也是主張這樣子像\n我們清北市的新店的山陰部落啦或者是這個西座部落跟這個英哥的山陰部落應該讓他們取得地上錢的房屋這個部分這個可能還要跟我們的相關的政府要這個溝通才可能做這樣的處理以租代購的方式以租代購用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年的可以來付那個貸款\n這個政策要做決定才可能讓他們買那個房子不然主委我們有機會會後我們再討論看看如何來往這個方向來推動讓原住民的朋友他們有機會是可以取得比如說比較長期有點像地上權的這個概念取得這個房屋的這個使用權\n這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分就是說有關於這個我們原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得這個房子的困難那我本身本席有很多原住民的好朋友他在目前不是這個原住民的社宅而是在排一般的社宅的時候\n有發現到就是基本上排不太進去那您是不是有幫我統計一下說目前我們原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分他排隊的情形是不是排的很多人就是很多原住民的好朋友其實是事實上是他沒有因為就是說本身因為經濟負擔情形比較不好那可是也是排房子也是排不到的問題\n我們在社宅的比例像不管在新北市在桃園市都有原住民人口比例優先進駐這樣一個比例出來那大概有沒有統計一下說現在目前還有排隊的我們原住民的好朋友大概人數多少\n我們會後再做統計提供委員參考因為本席現在目前收到的訊息是說很多原住民的好朋友目前來講他是排社宅是排不到的一個情形那所以說因為你是主委嘛有沒有辦法來協助他們不是說要他們說有什麼樣的特權而是說第一個原住民的社宅的興建要來加強第二個是不是說來協助這些原住民\n怎麼樣在他們排涉宅的時候他們的資料準備是不是不充裕還是他們遇到相關的一些問題我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看所以像現在目前以新北市來講的話呢以原住民為主的這個集合式的住宅就涉宅那我知道在新北市的樹林有一個涉宅的規劃這個部分我們會仔細的跟新北市政府還有內政部來我們一起來解決關於經費的問題\n好 最後還有剩一分鐘的時間那主委最近我們內政委員會有在修這個海洋保育法的問題那基本上像我們高軍昭偉他非常在意的就是原住民的權益的問題那也希望說這邊主委的部分一定要來協助我們昭偉對於現在在修的這個海洋保育法有沒有影響到我們這個原住民祖他傳統的文化跟技藝的一些祭典的一些的\n一般來講的有沒有影響到那我希望說會後的部分是不是可以討論一下說或是給我們一個報告說現在有關於海洋保育法現在未來即將實施後跟原住民族可能遇到問題是不是有機會相關的一些規劃做法及解決的方案有沒有機會提供書面給本席來參考可以而且跟委員補充報告\n我也注意到海洋保育法已經做了公聽會那其實管委員也私底下跟我聯繫說未來我們院版送到大院的這個法案的部分還有什麼需要在關於原住民的部分需要充實的我們很願意跟各個委員再做一個溝通看看怎麼樣更落實保障原住民的海洋的這個食用錢這個部分我們會兼顧保育這個部分來一起來努力\n好,謝謝主席,謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝張志倫委員,謝謝一江主委。我們請張志倫委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:02.110\n主席、各位委員、各位官員、各位媒體先進。大家早安、大家好。我們是有請主委。有請一將主委。\n\n00:26.223 --> 00:40.577\n主委早首先恭喜你恭喜主委主委是非常認真的主委從蔡英文總統2016年520就職典禮到現在你都擔任我們這個主委的工作相比你對這個\n\n00:44.000 --> 01:10.450\n對原住民的服務跟建設上用了非常多的心力不管是蔡總統跟歷任行政院長的支持跟肯定首先本席要跟您請教一下今年的520賴清德總統即將就職請問你會續任我們原住民委員會的主委嗎不會為什麼不會因為我們後面還有很多人才可以接棒\n\n01:15.453 --> 01:25.703\n因為我已經是原民會第一任主委做最久的我怕後面排隊都會受不了了所以我會浪費對阿我覺得\n\n01:29.426 --> 01:47.817\n既然如果你對這個原住民的議題跟想法這麼的深厚那我相信說希望你還是可以跟我們賴清德總統討論看看是不是繼續續任來延續這些原住民優質的一些政策謝謝委員我們原住民人才積極的不用擔心畫面都會做得比我更好\n\n01:48.663 --> 02:00.880\n好那接下來我先請教主委一個問題就是說這個原住民的這個健康的問題其實是我相信主委你非常的這個在意的部分跟主委報告一下我國現在臺灣的\n\n02:04.764 --> 02:24.496\n所有的人平均的壽命從105年他是80歲那111年大概是79.84歲其實相差並不多因為你知道當時有沒有疫情COVID-19的原因造成這個平均壽命沒有沒有往上增加那可是軍隊原住民族他的平均壽命是從105年的71.92歲\n\n02:28.999 --> 02:50.969\n到111年只有增加到73.65歲所以顧名思義他的這個平均壽命叫一般原住民朋友的平均壽命叫一般國人平均的壽命有大概6歲以上的差距請問主委你清楚這件事情嗎委員的確你提供的數據是目前的狀況不過我跟委員補充報告\n\n02:52.881 --> 03:19.481\n這幾年因為你剛剛有提到這個疫情期間反而我們國人的平均移民往下降但是因為這幾年我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站普赦文化健康站以後我們這幾年的原住民的平均移民跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下6年多雖然還很長但是5年前是差8年多現在拉近到6年多這個我們會繼續努力\n\n03:19.963 --> 03:44.631\n好那拜託主委這邊要多來注意這些事情因為就我們原住民的十大死因中其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國的平均所以還是有現在目前還是有存在著健康不平等的情況那當然立法院在2023年的5月份也通過了這個原住民的健康法\n\n03:45.091 --> 04:12.792\n那就是希望說你們可以投入更多的心力來照顧原住民的健康的問題所以本席在這邊針對這個原住民的健康的問題是不是因為當時我相信在今年總統大選的期間也有我們本黨的候選人總統候選人有提出來說是不是有機會針對我們所有65歲以上的我們的原住民族的健保費來去做這個補貼的動作\n\n04:16.001 --> 04:44.696\n那學院主委對這個想法有什麼看法嗎跟委員報告其實原住民的健保費的補助這幾年也都有像六列二目的部分都是有補貼的那現在65歲以上前面的補助這個部分這個涉及到我們要跟我們的這個衛福部要做一個協商有沒有可能在國家的預算的承擔之下可以來做這樣的一個處理\n\n04:46.634 --> 05:15.372\n因為當時跟主委報告一下現在在六都的部分65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼那因為我們原住民的好朋友有些不在六都以內所以本席還是這邊要拜託我們的主委的部分可以先去試算一下如果要補貼的話總金額大概是多少那原民會有沒有這樣的預算如果可以的話我相信可以對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有一個\n\n05:16.512 --> 05:41.478\n幫助的部分那第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於這個社會住宅的一個問題因為大家都知道說先請教主委一下好了你這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民的朋友是不是尤其年輕人不管年輕人各個年齡族群是不是取得房屋取得他們因為普遍經濟上沒有那麼的充足是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難\n\n05:43.899 --> 06:03.045\n對,像因為我根本包括因為我長期住在新北市那在都市地區的原住民的房屋自由利比一般的低很多這是普遍的現象沒有錯他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到可以讓他可以來承擔貸款的這樣的一個房子大部分都是租房子比較多\n\n06:03.545 --> 06:22.913\n對那我請問一下那主委這邊有什麼想法可以來協助我們這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅或是說現在新北市有一些是專門這個原住民的社會住宅比如舉例有新店中正社宅以及三峽榮恩社會住宅的部分\n\n06:23.713 --> 06:49.944\n那這兩個社宅目前的規定本期聽說是就是以租賃來講的話是三年三年可以作為一起的租賃然後未來可以如果要延續續租的話可以再三年那現在我相信現在普遍大家討論到的是說那因為既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得這個房子那是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以來買這個社宅的地上權\n\n06:51.064 --> 07:19.205\n然後未來有機會就是說由原住民的好朋友賣這個地上權的房子沒有土地只有買房子的地上權然後未來可以原住民賣給原住民的好朋友我在跟委員做補充的報告目前住在社宅的原住民大概有90009000多戶剛剛委員提到這個部分就是購買地上的房子這個部分以前我在新北市當議員的時候我也是主張這樣子像\n\n07:20.586 --> 07:48.086\n我們清北市的新店的山陰部落啦或者是這個西座部落跟這個英哥的山陰部落應該讓他們取得地上錢的房屋這個部分這個可能還要跟我們的相關的政府要這個溝通才可能做這樣的處理以租代購的方式以租代購用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年的可以來付那個貸款\n\n07:49.782 --> 08:09.143\n這個政策要做決定才可能讓他們買那個房子不然主委我們有機會會後我們再討論看看如何來往這個方向來推動讓原住民的朋友他們有機會是可以取得比如說比較長期有點像地上權的這個概念取得這個房屋的這個使用權\n\n08:12.482 --> 08:28.079\n這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分就是說有關於這個我們原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得這個房子的困難那我本身本席有很多原住民的好朋友他在目前不是這個原住民的社宅而是在排一般的社宅的時候\n\n08:28.900 --> 08:49.645\n有發現到就是基本上排不太進去那您是不是有幫我統計一下說目前我們原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分他排隊的情形是不是排的很多人就是很多原住民的好朋友其實是事實上是他沒有因為就是說本身因為經濟負擔情形比較不好那可是也是排房子也是排不到的問題\n\n08:50.575 --> 09:05.784\n我們在社宅的比例像不管在新北市在桃園市都有原住民人口比例優先進駐這樣一個比例出來那大概有沒有統計一下說現在目前還有排隊的我們原住民的好朋友大概人數多少\n\n09:06.184 --> 09:30.015\n我們會後再做統計提供委員參考因為本席現在目前收到的訊息是說很多原住民的好朋友目前來講他是排社宅是排不到的一個情形那所以說因為你是主委嘛有沒有辦法來協助他們不是說要他們說有什麼樣的特權而是說第一個原住民的社宅的興建要來加強第二個是不是說來協助這些原住民\n\n09:30.635 --> 09:58.485\n怎麼樣在他們排涉宅的時候他們的資料準備是不是不充裕還是他們遇到相關的一些問題我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看所以像現在目前以新北市來講的話呢以原住民為主的這個集合式的住宅就涉宅那我知道在新北市的樹林有一個涉宅的規劃這個部分我們會仔細的跟新北市政府還有內政部來我們一起來解決關於經費的問題\n\n10:00.353 --> 10:29.452\n好最後還有剩一分鐘的時間那主委最近我們內政委員會有在修這個海洋保育法的問題那基本上像我們高軍昭偉他非常在意的就是原住民的權益的問題那也希望說這邊主委的部分一定要來協助我們昭偉對於現在在修的這個海洋保育法有沒有影響到我們這個原住民祖他傳統的文化跟技藝的一些祭典的一些的\n\n10:30.994 --> 10:54.432\n一般來講的有沒有影響到那我希望說會後的部分是不是可以討論一下說或是給我們一個報告說現在有關於海洋保育法現在未來即將實施後跟原住民族可能遇到問題是不是有機會相關的一些規劃做法及解決的方案有沒有機會提供書面給本席來參考可以而且跟委員補充報告\n\n10:55.453 --> 11:21.996\n我也注意到海洋保育法已經做了公聽會那其實管委員也私底下跟我聯繫說未來我們院版送到大院的這個法案的部分還有什麼需要在關於原住民的部分需要充實的我們很願意跟各個委員再做一個溝通看看怎麼樣更落實保障原住民的海洋的這個食用錢這個部分我們會兼顧保育這個部分來一起來努力\n\n11:23.638 --> 11:29.172\n好,謝謝主席,謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝張志倫委員,謝謝一江主委。我們請張志倫委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.029,"end":2.11,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位官員、各位媒體先進。大家早安、大家好。我們是有請主委。有請一將主委。"},{"start":26.223,"end":40.577,"text":"主委早首先恭喜你恭喜主委主委是非常認真的主委從蔡英文總統2016年520就職典禮到現在你都擔任我們這個主委的工作相比你對這個"},{"start":44,"end":70.45,"text":"對原住民的服務跟建設上用了非常多的心力不管是蔡總統跟歷任行政院長的支持跟肯定首先本席要跟您請教一下今年的520賴清德總統即將就職請問你會續任我們原住民委員會的主委嗎不會為什麼不會因為我們後面還有很多人才可以接棒"},{"start":75.453,"end":85.703,"text":"因為我已經是原民會第一任主委做最久的我怕後面排隊都會受不了了所以我會浪費對阿我覺得"},{"start":89.426,"end":107.817,"text":"既然如果你對這個原住民的議題跟想法這麼的深厚那我相信說希望你還是可以跟我們賴清德總統討論看看是不是繼續續任來延續這些原住民優質的一些政策謝謝委員我們原住民人才積極的不用擔心畫面都會做得比我更好"},{"start":108.663,"end":120.88,"text":"好那接下來我先請教主委一個問題就是說這個原住民的這個健康的問題其實是我相信主委你非常的這個在意的部分跟主委報告一下我國現在臺灣的"},{"start":124.764,"end":144.496,"text":"所有的人平均的壽命從105年他是80歲那111年大概是79.84歲其實相差並不多因為你知道當時有沒有疫情COVID-19的原因造成這個平均壽命沒有沒有往上增加那可是軍隊原住民族他的平均壽命是從105年的71.92歲"},{"start":148.999,"end":170.969,"text":"到111年只有增加到73.65歲所以顧名思義他的這個平均壽命叫一般原住民朋友的平均壽命叫一般國人平均的壽命有大概6歲以上的差距請問主委你清楚這件事情嗎委員的確你提供的數據是目前的狀況不過我跟委員補充報告"},{"start":172.881,"end":199.481,"text":"這幾年因為你剛剛有提到這個疫情期間反而我們國人的平均移民往下降但是因為這幾年我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站普赦文化健康站以後我們這幾年的原住民的平均移民跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下6年多雖然還很長但是5年前是差8年多現在拉近到6年多這個我們會繼續努力"},{"start":199.963,"end":224.631,"text":"好那拜託主委這邊要多來注意這些事情因為就我們原住民的十大死因中其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國的平均所以還是有現在目前還是有存在著健康不平等的情況那當然立法院在2023年的5月份也通過了這個原住民的健康法"},{"start":225.091,"end":252.792,"text":"那就是希望說你們可以投入更多的心力來照顧原住民的健康的問題所以本席在這邊針對這個原住民的健康的問題是不是因為當時我相信在今年總統大選的期間也有我們本黨的候選人總統候選人有提出來說是不是有機會針對我們所有65歲以上的我們的原住民族的健保費來去做這個補貼的動作"},{"start":256.001,"end":284.696,"text":"那學院主委對這個想法有什麼看法嗎跟委員報告其實原住民的健保費的補助這幾年也都有像六列二目的部分都是有補貼的那現在65歲以上前面的補助這個部分這個涉及到我們要跟我們的這個衛福部要做一個協商有沒有可能在國家的預算的承擔之下可以來做這樣的一個處理"},{"start":286.634,"end":315.372,"text":"因為當時跟主委報告一下現在在六都的部分65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼那因為我們原住民的好朋友有些不在六都以內所以本席還是這邊要拜託我們的主委的部分可以先去試算一下如果要補貼的話總金額大概是多少那原民會有沒有這樣的預算如果可以的話我相信可以對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有一個"},{"start":316.512,"end":341.478,"text":"幫助的部分那第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於這個社會住宅的一個問題因為大家都知道說先請教主委一下好了你這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民的朋友是不是尤其年輕人不管年輕人各個年齡族群是不是取得房屋取得他們因為普遍經濟上沒有那麼的充足是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難"},{"start":343.899,"end":363.045,"text":"對,像因為我根本包括因為我長期住在新北市那在都市地區的原住民的房屋自由利比一般的低很多這是普遍的現象沒有錯他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到可以讓他可以來承擔貸款的這樣的一個房子大部分都是租房子比較多"},{"start":363.545,"end":382.913,"text":"對那我請問一下那主委這邊有什麼想法可以來協助我們這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅或是說現在新北市有一些是專門這個原住民的社會住宅比如舉例有新店中正社宅以及三峽榮恩社會住宅的部分"},{"start":383.713,"end":409.944,"text":"那這兩個社宅目前的規定本期聽說是就是以租賃來講的話是三年三年可以作為一起的租賃然後未來可以如果要延續續租的話可以再三年那現在我相信現在普遍大家討論到的是說那因為既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得這個房子那是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以來買這個社宅的地上權"},{"start":411.064,"end":439.205,"text":"然後未來有機會就是說由原住民的好朋友賣這個地上權的房子沒有土地只有買房子的地上權然後未來可以原住民賣給原住民的好朋友我在跟委員做補充的報告目前住在社宅的原住民大概有90009000多戶剛剛委員提到這個部分就是購買地上的房子這個部分以前我在新北市當議員的時候我也是主張這樣子像"},{"start":440.586,"end":468.086,"text":"我們清北市的新店的山陰部落啦或者是這個西座部落跟這個英哥的山陰部落應該讓他們取得地上錢的房屋這個部分這個可能還要跟我們的相關的政府要這個溝通才可能做這樣的處理以租代購的方式以租代購用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年的可以來付那個貸款"},{"start":469.782,"end":489.143,"text":"這個政策要做決定才可能讓他們買那個房子不然主委我們有機會會後我們再討論看看如何來往這個方向來推動讓原住民的朋友他們有機會是可以取得比如說比較長期有點像地上權的這個概念取得這個房屋的這個使用權"},{"start":492.482,"end":508.079,"text":"這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分就是說有關於這個我們原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得這個房子的困難那我本身本席有很多原住民的好朋友他在目前不是這個原住民的社宅而是在排一般的社宅的時候"},{"start":508.9,"end":529.645,"text":"有發現到就是基本上排不太進去那您是不是有幫我統計一下說目前我們原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分他排隊的情形是不是排的很多人就是很多原住民的好朋友其實是事實上是他沒有因為就是說本身因為經濟負擔情形比較不好那可是也是排房子也是排不到的問題"},{"start":530.575,"end":545.784,"text":"我們在社宅的比例像不管在新北市在桃園市都有原住民人口比例優先進駐這樣一個比例出來那大概有沒有統計一下說現在目前還有排隊的我們原住民的好朋友大概人數多少"},{"start":546.184,"end":570.015,"text":"我們會後再做統計提供委員參考因為本席現在目前收到的訊息是說很多原住民的好朋友目前來講他是排社宅是排不到的一個情形那所以說因為你是主委嘛有沒有辦法來協助他們不是說要他們說有什麼樣的特權而是說第一個原住民的社宅的興建要來加強第二個是不是說來協助這些原住民"},{"start":570.635,"end":598.485,"text":"怎麼樣在他們排涉宅的時候他們的資料準備是不是不充裕還是他們遇到相關的一些問題我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看所以像現在目前以新北市來講的話呢以原住民為主的這個集合式的住宅就涉宅那我知道在新北市的樹林有一個涉宅的規劃這個部分我們會仔細的跟新北市政府還有內政部來我們一起來解決關於經費的問題"},{"start":600.353,"end":629.452,"text":"好 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