{"id":150733,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150733","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c04c9b6fcda604b2fcf7510a295be7434bf8ba9b0039caa7a6951c1d5c912628115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"高金素梅","委員發言時間":"10:19:02 - 10:34:51","影片長度":"00:15:49","會議時間":"2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。(僅詢答)【4月1日及3日兩天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":9,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-11-1-15-9"},"date":"2024-04-01","duration":949,"end_time":"2024-04-01T10:34:51+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-01T10:19:02+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":362,"blocks":[["高金委員素梅：（10時19分）謝謝主席，我請夷將主委。"],["主席：請主委，謝謝。"],["高金委員素梅：原民會的事務真的是非常多，所以我今天可能會花比較多時間，請主席再給我多一點的時間，好不好？","夷將主委好。8年了，您是做最久的主委，而且是應該很進入狀況了，所以今天我做召委，主要是涉及原民會各處室的業務，也請你們弄了一個專案報告。我先問一下綜規處，蔡政府倒數已經快50天了，我們今天檢視一下，這8年來蔡政府原住民政見的總體檢。我們來看一下大家殷殷期盼所謂的自治法，105年蔡總統在原住民政見中就提出來了原住民的自治法草案，然後107年所謂的原轉會，在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出原住民的自治要有一、明確的空間範圍，二、要有自治的權限，三、要有固定的財源，然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生。請問一下這八年來現在推到哪裡了？而且就我知道，這八年來你們已經花了3,506萬2,000元，卻生不出一個原住民族自治法，然後主委你不要忘記，這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數，按道理來說，只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易，只要他在意應該很容易、為什麼到現在還沒有通過？請簡單的講一下。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我想委員也都瞭解過去我們把很多版本都送進來過，各個政黨的立場從來沒有一致過，以我面對自治法這幾年的狀況，我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的。"],["高金委員素梅：分流立法有剛剛講到的這麼重要的事情嗎？第一個要原住民的固定財源，以及自治的權限、空間的範圍，有嗎？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：跟委員報告，比如說我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分法？比通過一個自治法更快……"],["高金委員素梅：好啦！主委，今天真的沒有很多的時間，我要告訴您的是，只要蔡政府他願意的話，行政院長帶領大家一起討論其實會滿快的，所以這八年來每一筆推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡、開什麼會，是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：好。"],["高金委員素梅：謝謝。另外，都原人口占比從91年的32.8%到今年二月已經成長了49.76%，現在總共是29萬4,802人了，成長幅度非常的快。","蔡總統在105年的時候對原住民的政見也提出他要支持都市原住民的發展，我們在第10屆第2會期審查原民會預算的時候，原民會也承諾要研擬都市原住民族發展條例草案，110年也花了140萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究，111年又花了212萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會，可是都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來，為什麼？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：委員，其實原民會……"],["高金委員素梅：簡單說一點。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：原民會版本的草案已經擬妥了。"],["高金委員素梅：好，那送出來了沒有？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：現在就是要等行政院跟各部會做一個協商才會……"],["高金委員素梅：蔡總統快要離開了耶！那520之前可以嗎？這是他的政見喔！他的政見要跳票嗎？好，沒關係，請你趕快……"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我們這個版本的草案部分已經擬好了。"],["高金委員素梅：請你趕快、趕快，好不好？趕快送行政院院會，如果行政院院會沒有送出來，請問一下是蔡總統的政見不在意都市原住民嗎？要跳票嗎？總要有一個說明吧？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：好。"],["高金委員素梅：好，謝謝，請經發處。2022年通過的食農教育法第七條規定原住民族主管機關主責的是原住民族之營養、均衡飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣，以及原住民族籍食農教育專業人員培訓規畫，請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣？"],["宋處長麗茹：跟委員報告，我們依照委員上一次特別的指示，希望這個食農教育能夠進一步的來協助族人，現在這個特色農業的計畫，我們也推動「三章一Q」，現在大概有兩百多個團體也跟我們開始來施作……"],["高金委員素梅：處長您知道嗎？除了你們已經推動的之外，你現在清楚知道我們原住民族的地區，其實他平常的身分除了農民之外，到了假日轉變為民宿業者、餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主，請問一下，你對原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身分，你覺得應該怎麼做？你們有沒有去做過統計？"],["宋處長麗茹：我們想了一個作法，就是應該用地產地銷的方式，也就是當國人到部落來，食宿遊購都可以帶動部落的經濟，我想整個點線面的部分原民會大概都已經制定了中長程計畫。"],["高金委員素梅：地產地銷是完全可以結合部落產業政策的，我剛剛說了我們的族人有些有很多的身分，因為我們只不過59萬人，已經有29萬人在都會了，所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多，你們有沒有做一個這樣的統計，有多重身分的到底有多少人？然後這些人要非常精準地來扶植他們，這樣年輕人才比較願意回流啊！是不是跟一些法規也有關係？"],["宋處長麗茹：是，我想這個部分我們再來做一次盤點，我們雖然有各自不同的行業，可是我們也可以來做，再一次盤點。"],["高金委員素梅：好，一個月之內提供部落產業扶植計畫給本席好嗎？"],["宋處長麗茹：好。"],["高金委員素梅：好，謝謝。接續是土管處，114年5月1日國土計畫法就要施行了，我也清楚知道你們在地方也做了一番的說明，然後我們族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理，回歸到部落的主體，由原民會跟內政部來共同主管。現在大家很擔心的是一戶的問題，我記得在座談會上面，我們的族人都有講到一戶都不能少，請問一下杜張處長，現在是不是有往這個方向去進行？"],["杜張處長梅莊：跟委員報告，有關於族人一戶的部分，他土地權益的保障，事實上在去年10月，已經發文給各個鄉鎮市公所來調查他們目前一戶的使用狀況。"],["高金委員素梅：今天國土署有代表來，對不對？"],["杜張處長梅莊：一戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是這些民宿、露營場的經營，原則上資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議，因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則，我們會研議看怎麼樣納入這個使用規則來保障一戶的用地權益。"],["高金委員素梅：好，你們的資料告訴我大概有八萬多戶……"],["杜張處長梅莊：八萬多棟，如果分棟的話，就是個別棟大概將近十二萬到十四萬。"],["高金委員素梅：所以也就是說114年5月1號以後，我們將有八萬戶原住民的族人其建築就會合法了，當然未來要取得建築執照，我們還必須要跟……"],["杜張處長梅莊：建築用地的部分……"],["高金委員素梅：建築用地的部分，我們還必須要……依我召委的話，我會跟內政部還有建築師公會一起來討論。但現在最重要的是有非常多的族人，我們到地方去，然後我們用法條式的方式羅列給大家，但族人非常的不理解，所以是不是原民會你們製作說帖，然後用族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽，好不好？"],["杜張處長梅莊：我們推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃，如懶人包還有一些Q＆A，另外還有一些是要加強說明的部落部分我們也會進行。"],["高金委員素梅：未來還會做幾場？"],["杜張處長梅莊：目前我們自己的……首先所謂大型的就像應該是上個月才剛舉辦1場，還有4場，但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推，因為國土署有相關經費的挹注，會一直做到113年的年底。"],["高金委員素梅：好，這個懶人包一定要讓族人知道，然後本席也會跟內政部還有建築師公會一起討論未來要如何加速原住民區合法建築物的部分，好不好？謝謝。"],["杜張處長梅莊：謝謝委員。"],["高金委員素梅：公建處，很重要，不好意思，再給我一點時間。我們的道路和基礎建設真的是很重要，我一直追蹤部落的聯絡道路養護預算，交通部都是要一塊給五毛，請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取不足的兩億部分？而且我總質詢時他們答應要追回喔！"],["劉處長維哲：報告委員，目前的調查結果其實是去年……今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求。"],["高金委員素梅：沒有啊！不管他有沒有提出需求，你們都應該要把不足的部分補回來啊！"],["劉處長維哲：目前調查結果是45個鄉公所，所以目前做法是沒有提出需求部分，我們就優先分配給需求比較高的鄉公所。"],["高金委員素梅：沒有，處長你沒有回答我的問題，我在總質詢的時候，請夷將主委來回答一下，你明明聽得很清楚知道行政院長說他要補回這兩億不足的部分，請問一下院長要下來之前，他已經快要離開這個位置了，院長有沒有交代一下？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：跟委員報告，這個部分在編列下年度預算的時候，我們盤點一下過去一年執行的方向、整個需求是什麼，我們應該按照實際需求編列預算。"],["高金委員素梅：沒有，我剛剛講的是養護預算，養護預算其實對原鄉很重要。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：對，就是養護預算的部分。"],["高金委員素梅：這個養護預算我們長期以來就是編列不足啊！自從我質詢了之後，好不容易找到了這筆錢，事實上這筆錢還有兩億不足的部分，是不是要把它追回來？所以114年是不是可以把它追回來？因為這兩億可以做很多事情，你們雖然有很多的特色道路、宜居部落等等，但其實錢是不夠的，對不對，夷將主委？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：是。"],["高金委員素梅：對啊！所以你們是不是要討論一下這個追回來以後要怎麼使用？來解決一下原鄉……"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我們盤點一下過去執行養護費的狀況來編列下個年度的預算。"],["高金委員素梅：好嗎？好，謝謝。希望你們能明確告訴我，到我辦公室來說明一下。社福處，原家中心10月12號我曾經在衛環委員會質詢，然後3月5號也跟院長質詢了，在上週，原本要報院的所謂這個計畫，為什麼會把它臨時抽出來？"],["羅處長赫踛：跟委員報告，因為現在行政計畫還沒有核定，我們有針對一個部分要去做補充資料，比如我們原家中心的定位，我們當初再寫清楚一點，就是提供以原住民族主體為……"],["高金委員素梅：什麼時候要提供資料給行政院？因為院長也答應我在他離開之前要核定這個計畫。"],["羅處長赫踛：已經送過去了。"],["高金委員素梅：已經送了？"],["羅處長赫踛：是。"],["高金委員素梅：好，請你再繼續追蹤一下。"],["羅處長赫踛：是。"],["高金委員素梅：我們再繼續談一下，內政部今年2月最新數據，可以看到原住民的扶幼比例是26.57%，高於全體國民的17.11%，代表原住民父母養育的壓力遠大於其他人，我們非常多原住民父母也離鄉背井到都市工作，因此在部落裡面常看到隔代教養的問題，針對0到2歲的原民托嬰，你們有什麼政策？請問一下。夷將主委，這很重要。"],["羅處長赫踛：謝謝委員，也是在大院的支持之下，我們現在有503個文健站，其中一個很重要的政策，我們在老幼共學的部分……"],["高金委員素梅：我知道，可是那是2到6歲，0到2歲有嗎？"],["羅處長赫踛：0到2歲的部分，現在在衛福部有提供一些相關政策，目前我們有在關心，但是0到2歲的部分在我們的教文處也有一些相關的保母幼托部分。"],["高金委員素梅：我建議，你剛剛說0到2歲在教文處，麻煩教文處跟你一起來告訴我你們怎麼做，好不好？但是我提供一個，一個是擴大族語保母的適用範圍，讓更多的部落長者可以參與。第二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00:01:18,973\n他在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出就是原住民的自治要有一明確的空間範圍二要有自治的權限三要有固定的裁員然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生請問一下八年來現在推動哪裡了而且就我知道這八年來你們已經花了三千多萬\n\n5\n00:01:20,575 --> 00:01:41,874\n三千五百零六萬兩千卻勝不出一個原住民自治法然後主委你不要忘記這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數按照這個道理來說只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易只要他在意應該很容易通過為什麼到現在還沒有通過簡單的講一下\n\n6\n00:01:45,834 --> 00:02:05,886\n我想委員也都了解過去我們很多版本都送進來過各政黨的立場都從來沒有一致過那委員我是覺得以我面對自治法的這幾年的狀況我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的\n\n7\n00:02:06,946 --> 00:02:21,242\n分流立法有所謂剛剛才講到的這那麼重要的事情嗎第一個要這個原住民的固定財源自己的權限空間的範圍有嗎我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分法筆\n\n8\n00:02:22,283 --> 00:02:40,669\n主委今天真的沒有很多的時間我要告訴您的是只要蔡政府她願意的話其實行政院長帶領的大家一起來討論其實會蠻快的所以這八年來每一底推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡開什麼會是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下\n\n9\n00:02:42,690 --> 00:03:09,226\n另外,都市原住民族人口佔比從91年的32.8%到今年2月已經成長了49.76%現在總共是294,802人了長者黨輔助非常的快蔡總統在105年的時候她對原民的政見也提出她要支持都市原住民發展我們在第10屆第2會期的時候審查原民會的預算原民會也承諾你們要嚴明都市原住民族發展條例草案\n\n10\n00:03:10,166 --> 00:03:34,700\n一百一十年也花了一百四十萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究一百一十一年又花了兩百一十二萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會可是呢都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來為什麼委員其實顏明慧版本的草案已經擬走那送出來了沒有現在就是要\n\n11\n00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:45,153\n等我們行政院跟各部會這個協商才會...蔡總統快離開了耶那520之前可以嗎這是他的證件喔他的證件要跳票嗎好沒關係請你我們這個版本請你趕快趕快好不好趕快送行政院會如果行政院會沒有送出來請問一下為什麼是蔡總統的證件對原住民的都市原住民不在意嗎要跳票嗎總要有個說明吧好謝謝經發處\n\n12\n00:04:05,781 --> 00:04:18,339\n2022年通過的《食農教育法》第7條規定原住民族主管機關的主則是原住民的營養、均和飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣然後原住民族級的食農教育專業人員要培訓計畫請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣?\n\n13\n00:04:22,594 --> 00:04:33,224\n跟各位委員報告我們依照上一次委員特別的指示那希望能夠對這個食農交易能夠進一步來協助族人那我們現在在我們這個特色農業的這個計畫那我們也推動這個三張EQ那現在大概200多個團體現在也跟我們開始來施展\n\n14\n00:04:42,932 --> 00:05:06,060\n那個處長您知道嗎除了現在你們已經推動了之外你現在清楚知道嗎我們原住民族的地區是其實呢平常他的身份除了農民之外他到了假日轉變為民宿業者然後或者是餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主請問一下你對這樣子原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身份你覺得應該怎麼做你們有沒有去做過統計\n\n15\n00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:15,043\n我們想一個做法就是應該用地產地銷的方式也就是說當我們的這個國人到我們的這個部落來那同時這個時數郵購我想都可以來帶動我們部落的這個經濟我想整個那個點線面的部分我們原民會大概都已經制定了這個中長期計劃\n\n16\n00:05:29,247 --> 00:05:54,907\n是完全可以結合部落產業政策的那你們目前有我剛剛說了有很多身份的這些我們的族人因為我們只不過59萬人嘛已經29萬人已經在都會了所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多你們有沒有做一個這樣子一個統計他的身份有多重身份的到底有多少人然後這些人要非常的精準的來扶植他們這樣子的話年輕人回流才才比較願意啊\n\n17\n00:05:56,961 --> 00:05:57,222\n114年5月1日\n\n18\n00:06:15,932 --> 00:06:42,614\n國土救援法就要施行了我也清楚知道你們也在地方做了一番的說明然後我們這個族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理回歸到我們部落的主體由原民會跟內政部來共同主管現在大家很擔心的就是移戶的問題我記得在那個我們的助團會上面我們的族人都講移戶都不能少請問一下杜璋處長現在是不是有往這個方向去進行\n\n19\n00:06:43,679 --> 00:07:04,528\n各位委員報告這個有關於主任遺戶的部分他土地權益的保障事實上在去年的10月已經有發文給各個鄉鎮施工所來調查他們目前這個遺戶的使用狀況那原則上在這遺戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是一些民宿或者露營場的這樣的經營\n\n20\n00:07:06,128 --> 00:07:14,036\n原則上這個資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則我們會研議怎麼樣納入這個使用規則來保障那個一戶你能不能資料告訴我大概有8萬多戶\n\n21\n00:07:20,962 --> 00:07:36,553\n如果分棟的話就是個別棟大概將近12萬到14萬所以也就是說114年5月1號以後我們將有8萬戶的原住民族人他的建築就會合法了當然未來有取得建築之後我們還必須要跟建築用地的\n\n22\n00:07:36,753 --> 00:07:58,132\n建築用地的部分我們還必須要以我召委的話我會來跟內政部還有建築工會一起來討論但是現在最重要的就是有非常多的族人我們到的地方去然後我們用法條式的羅列給大家我們的族人非常的不理解所以是不是原民會你們製作縮帖然後讓我們族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽好不好\n\n23\n00:07:59,037 --> 00:08:24,251\n這個我們在推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃懶人包還有一些QA的另外就是有一些要加強說明的部落的部分我們也會進行未來還會做幾場目前我們自己的所謂大型就是像上個月才剛剛應該是上個月才剛剛舉辦一場還有四場但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推因為我們跟那個國土署有相關的經費的一組一直做到113年的年底\n\n24\n00:08:26,112 --> 00:08:53,741\n一定這個懶人包一定要讓族人知道那他本席也會跟內政部還有那個建築師公會我們一起來討論未來要如何加速我們這個原住民取得合法建築物的部分好不好謝謝公建處很重要不好意思再給我一點時間我們的道路和基礎建設真的是很重要我一直追蹤這個部落聯絡道路養護預算我們的交通部都是給要一塊給五毛請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取\n\n25\n00:08:55,459 --> 00:09:20,021\n不足的這個兩億的部分而且我的總質詢他們答應要做回喔包委員目前調查結果其實這去年今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求沒有啊不管他提不出需求你們當然應該要把補足那個不足的部分補回來啊我目前調查結果是45個鄉公所所以我目前做法就是沒有提出需求的部分我們就優先分配給需求比較高的\n\n26\n00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:36,843\n沒有處長你沒有回答我的問題我在總諮詢的時候一將主委來回答一下你明明聽得很清楚知道行政院長說他要補回這2億不足的部分請問一下院長要下來之前已經快要離開這個位置了院長有沒有交代一下\n\n27\n00:09:38,274 --> 00:09:50,167\n根委包括我們這個部分在編列下年度的預算的時候盤點一下過去一年執行的方向那整個需求是什麼我們應該按照實際期的編列預算沒有我剛剛講的是養護預算養護預算其實對營商很重要\n\n28\n00:09:54,291 --> 00:10:21,016\n養護率預算我們長期以來就是編列不足啊然後自從我質詢了之後好不容易找到了這筆錢啊那事實上這筆錢還有2億不足的部分啊是不是要把它追回來所以114年是不是可以把它追回來因為這2億可以做很多事情耶你們雖然有很多的特色道路移居部落等等其實是不夠錢的對不對宜將主委是對啊所以你們是不是要怎麼討論一下這個追回來以後要怎麼使用\n\n29\n00:10:21,716 --> 00:10:47,011\n我們對養護會的部分來談舔一下過去執行的狀況來編列下個年度的預算好謝謝希望你們能明確告訴我這個大概到我辦公室來說明一下社福處原住民中心10月12號我曾經跟衛環委員會來質詢然後也在3月5號也跟院長質詢了在上週原本要報院的所謂的這個計畫為什麼會把它臨時抽出來\n\n30\n00:10:50,513 --> 00:11:09,324\n跟委員報告因為現在行政計畫還沒有核定那我們有針對有一個部分要去做一個補充資料那比如說像我們的那個原加重慶的定位我們當初再寫清楚一點就是提供以原住民族主體為本什麼時候要提供資料給行政院因為院長也答應我在他離開之前要把他核定這個計畫已經送過去了已經送了齁好請你再繼續追蹤一下\n\n31\n00:11:13,726 --> 00:11:37,169\n好,我們再繼續談一下,內政部今年2月最新數據看到原住民的扶幼比例是26.57,高於全體國民的17.11,代表原住民的父母養育的壓力遠大於其他人。然後我們非常多原住民父母也離鄉背井到都市工作,因此在部落裡面常看到隔代教育的問題。0到2歲的原民脫穎,你們有什麼政策?請問一下。\n\n32\n00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:50,484\n一項主委這很重要那謝謝委員那也是在大院的支持之下我們現在503這個文件上那其中一個很重要的政策我們在那個老幼供學部分我知道可是文件有時候這個是2到6歲0到2歲有嗎\n\n33\n00:11:53,027 --> 00:12:06,714\n是那領導兩歲的部分現在在衛福部他有提供一些相關的一個偵測也目前是有在做一個我們有在做一個關係但是領導二歲的部分那在我們的交通處也有一些相關一個保姆誘託的部分這樣我建議領導二歲\n\n34\n00:12:08,255 --> 00:12:33,473\n你剛剛說在教文處那麻煩教文處跟你這個這個一起來告訴我你們怎麼做好不好但是我提供一個一個是擴大族語保姆的適用範圍讓更多的部落長者可以參與第二個是簡化族語保姆的申請流程讓我們的長者更願意申請第三個是讓有意願跟能力的長者在文件站兼做族語保姆的工作其實這個部分都可以值得你們來思考可以嗎\n\n35\n00:12:35,387 --> 00:13:00,209\n好繼續我要問一下語推組織了2月29號原民會邀請各語推組織的人員召開語推組織共事的會議幾乎所有語推組織都有反應希望能夠增加人力跟預算請問一下主委你們怎麼做現在有沒有增加人力有沒有增加預算你剛剛說主語的部分在教會裡面你編了不少的預算為什麼在實際上推動主語的這些人不給他增加的預算跟人力\n\n36\n00:13:01,161 --> 00:13:13,136\n我們對已推人員的預算編列我們會逐年做一個檢討有沒有你這個檢討啊你剛剛講到了2月29號你才跟他們做會議啊他們正在等待你們原民會怎麼處理啊\n\n37\n00:13:14,756 --> 00:13:40,187\n五二零之前麻煩趕快要處理解決這個問題你做了八年你應該很清楚知道他們的痛處在哪裡所以一個月不要一個月一個禮拜也到我辦公室說明一下給這些輿推人員一些保障跟他們要有的解決問題好不好我們會持續在相關的費用做一個\n\n38\n00:13:41,467 --> 00:13:58,515\n調整一下好不好做一個滾動的修正好謝謝繼續請原民會最後一點時間原民會的董事長請問一下您上台之前您好好聽一下您小小裡面的電視台廣播人才你們禁用和培訓有沒有明確的升遷制度請問\n\n39\n00:14:01,843 --> 00:14:20,983\n有沒有明確的申請制度有沒有提供給本席然後主管職還有第一線工作者的緣額有沒有一定族群比連我們自己電視台跟廣播電台都沒有所謂的族群比例的話我們如何要求別人呢\n\n40\n00:14:21,718 --> 00:14:46,028\n就是族群的比例對阿當然要阿然後第三個是長期以來我很看重的人才培訓請問董事長你有沒有掌握我們在各個學校相關的大眾傳播的人數跟科系然後呢你們有沒有規劃這些孩子畢業之後怎麼到你們的電視台或是廣播台去工作嗎那或者是他在求學的時候能不能就到你們那邊去做實習有沒有這樣的制度\n\n41\n00:14:46,553 --> 00:15:02,444\n有,我們現在的實習制度都明確定定,然後另外就是我們要加強跟各個原住民的推廣單位合作來推動。好,我再問你,你跟大眾傳播的科系有沒有數據你手上?\n\n42\n00:15:04,065 --> 00:15:17,585\n你如果沒有數據的話你怎麼跟他們做對交流怎麼跟他們做對接你們等於是被動式的沒有主動式的那我們培養了這麼多的孩子連我們自己的電視台連自己的廣播台進不去你不是覺得很奇怪嗎\n\n43\n00:15:18,971 --> 00:15:44,398\n我們過去有這方面的資料不過應該要再重新更新董事長請您把我剛剛說的三個問題提供給我第一個電視台廣播的人才禁用和培訓怎麼禁用培訓第二個有沒有明確的升遷制度第三個這些就讀相關傳播的人數跟科系你們有沒有資料然後最後一個提出具體的規劃好不好謝謝主席給我一點時間謝謝您好謝謝高建昭\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1513\t2315\t請高金委員質詢。\n13727\t34362\t原民會的事務真的是非常的多所以我今天可能會花比較多時間請這個主席再給我一點多一點的時間好不好好一江主委好八年了您是做最久的主委而且是應該很進入狀況了所以呢今天我做召委我只要是涉及原民會各處設立的業務也請你們弄了一個專案報告來所以今天我先問一下中規處\n36103\t53136\t這個蔡政府倒數已經快要50天了我們今天檢視一下這8年來蔡政府原住民政見的總體檢我們來看一下大家因應期盼的所謂的自治法105年蔡總統在原住民政見他就提出來了原住民的自治法草案然後107年我們所謂的原轉會\n56138\t78973\t他在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出就是原住民的自治要有一明確的空間範圍二要有自治的權限三要有固定的裁員然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生請問一下八年來現在推動哪裡了而且就我知道這八年來你們已經花了三千多萬\n80575\t101874\t三千五百零六萬兩千卻勝不出一個原住民自治法然後主委你不要忘記這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數按照這個道理來說只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易只要他在意應該很容易通過為什麼到現在還沒有通過簡單的講一下\n105834\t125886\t我想委員也都了解過去我們很多版本都送進來過各政黨的立場都從來沒有一致過那委員我是覺得以我面對自治法的這幾年的狀況我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的\n126946\t141242\t分流立法有所謂剛剛才講到的這那麼重要的事情嗎第一個要這個原住民的固定財源自己的權限空間的範圍有嗎我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分法筆\n142283\t160669\t主委今天真的沒有很多的時間我要告訴您的是只要蔡政府她願意的話其實行政院長帶領的大家一起來討論其實會蠻快的所以這八年來每一底推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡開什麼會是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下\n162690\t189226\t另外,都市原住民族人口佔比從91年的32.8%到今年2月已經成長了49.76%現在總共是294,802人了長者黨輔助非常的快蔡總統在105年的時候她對原民的政見也提出她要支持都市原住民發展我們在第10屆第2會期的時候審查原民會的預算原民會也承諾你們要嚴明都市原住民族發展條例草案\n190166\t214700\t一百一十年也花了一百四十萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究一百一十一年又花了兩百一十二萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會可是呢都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來為什麼委員其實顏明慧版本的草案已經擬走那送出來了沒有現在就是要\n215270\t225153\t等我們行政院跟各部會這個協商才會...蔡總統快離開了耶那520之前可以嗎這是他的證件喔他的證件要跳票嗎好沒關係請你我們這個版本請你趕快趕快好不好趕快送行政院會如果行政院會沒有送出來請問一下為什麼是蔡總統的證件對原住民的都市原住民不在意嗎要跳票嗎總要有個說明吧好謝謝經發處\n245781\t258339\t2022年通過的《食農教育法》第7條規定原住民族主管機關的主則是原住民的營養、均和飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣然後原住民族級的食農教育專業人員要培訓計畫請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣?\n262594\t273224\t跟各位委員報告我們依照上一次委員特別的指示那希望能夠對這個食農交易能夠進一步來協助族人那我們現在在我們這個特色農業的這個計畫那我們也推動這個三張EQ那現在大概200多個團體現在也跟我們開始來施展\n282932\t306060\t那個處長您知道嗎除了現在你們已經推動了之外你現在清楚知道嗎我們原住民族的地區是其實呢平常他的身份除了農民之外他到了假日轉變為民宿業者然後或者是餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主請問一下你對這樣子原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身份你覺得應該怎麼做你們有沒有去做過統計\n307320\t315043\t我們想一個做法就是應該用地產地銷的方式也就是說當我們的這個國人到我們的這個部落來那同時這個時數郵購我想都可以來帶動我們部落的這個經濟我想整個那個點線面的部分我們原民會大概都已經制定了這個中長期計劃\n329247\t354907\t是完全可以結合部落產業政策的那你們目前有我剛剛說了有很多身份的這些我們的族人因為我們只不過59萬人嘛已經29萬人已經在都會了所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多你們有沒有做一個這樣子一個統計他的身份有多重身份的到底有多少人然後這些人要非常的精準的來扶植他們這樣子的話年輕人回流才才比較願意啊\n356961\t357222\t114年5月1日\n375932\t402614\t國土救援法就要施行了我也清楚知道你們也在地方做了一番的說明然後我們這個族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理回歸到我們部落的主體由原民會跟內政部來共同主管現在大家很擔心的就是移戶的問題我記得在那個我們的助團會上面我們的族人都講移戶都不能少請問一下杜璋處長現在是不是有往這個方向去進行\n403679\t424528\t各位委員報告這個有關於主任遺戶的部分他土地權益的保障事實上在去年的10月已經有發文給各個鄉鎮施工所來調查他們目前這個遺戶的使用狀況那原則上在這遺戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是一些民宿或者露營場的這樣的經營\n426128\t434036\t原則上這個資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則我們會研議怎麼樣納入這個使用規則來保障那個一戶你能不能資料告訴我大概有8萬多戶\n440962\t456553\t如果分棟的話就是個別棟大概將近12萬到14萬所以也就是說114年5月1號以後我們將有8萬戶的原住民族人他的建築就會合法了當然未來有取得建築之後我們還必須要跟建築用地的\n456753\t478132\t建築用地的部分我們還必須要以我召委的話我會來跟內政部還有建築工會一起來討論但是現在最重要的就是有非常多的族人我們到的地方去然後我們用法條式的羅列給大家我們的族人非常的不理解所以是不是原民會你們製作縮帖然後讓我們族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽好不好\n479037\t504251\t這個我們在推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃懶人包還有一些QA的另外就是有一些要加強說明的部落的部分我們也會進行未來還會做幾場目前我們自己的所謂大型就是像上個月才剛剛應該是上個月才剛剛舉辦一場還有四場但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推因為我們跟那個國土署有相關的經費的一組一直做到113年的年底\n506112\t533741\t一定這個懶人包一定要讓族人知道那他本席也會跟內政部還有那個建築師公會我們一起來討論未來要如何加速我們這個原住民取得合法建築物的部分好不好謝謝公建處很重要不好意思再給我一點時間我們的道路和基礎建設真的是很重要我一直追蹤這個部落聯絡道路養護預算我們的交通部都是給要一塊給五毛請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取\n535459\t560021\t不足的這個兩億的部分而且我的總質詢他們答應要做回喔包委員目前調查結果其實這去年今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求沒有啊不管他提不出需求你們當然應該要把補足那個不足的部分補回來啊我目前調查結果是45個鄉公所所以我目前做法就是沒有提出需求的部分我們就優先分配給需求比較高的\n560734\t576843\t沒有 處長你沒有回答我的問題我在總諮詢的時候一將主委來回答一下你明明聽得很清楚知道行政院長說他要補回這2億不足的部分請問一下院長要下來之前已經快要離開這個位置了院長有沒有交代一下\n578274\t590167\t根委包括我們這個部分在編列下年度的預算的時候盤點一下過去一年執行的方向那整個需求是什麼我們應該按照實際期的編列預算沒有我剛剛講的是養護預算養護預算其實對營商很重要\n594291\t621016\t養護率預算我們長期以來就是編列不足啊然後自從我質詢了之後好不容易找到了這筆錢啊那事實上這筆錢還有2億不足的部分啊是不是要把它追回來所以114年是不是可以把它追回來因為這2億可以做很多事情耶你們雖然有很多的特色道路移居部落等等其實是不夠錢的對不對 宜將主委是對啊 所以你們是不是要怎麼討論一下這個追回來以後要怎麼使用\n621716\t647011\t我們對養護會的部分來談舔一下過去執行的狀況來編列下個年度的預算好 謝謝希望你們能明確告訴我這個大概到我辦公室來說明一下社福處原住民中心10月12號我曾經跟衛環委員會來質詢然後也在3月5號也跟院長質詢了在上週原本要報院的所謂的這個計畫為什麼會把它臨時抽出來\n650513\t669324\t跟委員報告 因為現在行政計畫還沒有核定 那我們有針對有一個部分要去做一個補充資料那比如說像我們的那個原加重慶的定位 我們當初再寫清楚一點就是提供以原住民族主體為本什麼時候要提供資料給行政院 因為院長也答應我在他離開之前要把他核定這個計畫已經送過去了已經送了齁 好 請你再繼續追蹤一下\n673726\t697169\t好,我們再繼續談一下,內政部今年2月最新數據看到原住民的扶幼比例是26.57,高於全體國民的17.11,代表原住民的父母養育的壓力遠大於其他人。然後我們非常多原住民父母也離鄉背井到都市工作,因此在部落裡面常看到隔代教育的問題。0到2歲的原民脫穎,你們有什麼政策?請問一下。\n698010\t710484\t一項主委這很重要那謝謝委員那也是在大院的支持之下我們現在503這個文件上那其中一個很重要的政策我們在那個老幼供學部分我知道可是文件有時候這個是2到6歲0到2歲有嗎\n713027\t726714\t是那領導兩歲的部分現在在衛福部他有提供一些相關的一個偵測也目前是有在做一個我們有在做一個關係但是領導二歲的部分那在我們的交通處也有一些相關一個保姆誘託的部分這樣我建議領導二歲\n728255\t753473\t你剛剛說在教文處那麻煩教文處跟你這個這個一起來告訴我你們怎麼做好不好但是我提供一個一個是擴大族語保姆的適用範圍讓更多的部落長者可以參與第二個是簡化族語保姆的申請流程讓我們的長者更願意申請第三個是讓有意願跟能力的長者在文件站兼做族語保姆的工作其實這個部分都可以值得你們來思考可以嗎\n755387\t780209\t好繼續我要問一下語推組織了2月29號原民會邀請各語推組織的人員召開語推組織共事的會議幾乎所有語推組織都有反應希望能夠增加人力跟預算請問一下主委你們怎麼做現在有沒有增加人力有沒有增加預算你剛剛說主語的部分在教會裡面你編了不少的預算為什麼在實際上推動主語的這些人不給他增加的預算跟人力\n781161\t793136\t我們對已推人員的預算編列我們會逐年做一個檢討有沒有你這個檢討啊你剛剛講到了2月29號你才跟他們做會議啊他們正在等待你們原民會怎麼處理啊\n794756\t820187\t五二零之前麻煩趕快要處理解決這個問題你做了八年你應該很清楚知道他們的痛處在哪裡所以一個月不要一個月一個禮拜也到我辦公室說明一下給這些輿推人員一些保障跟他們要有的解決問題好不好我們會持續在相關的費用做一個\n821467\t838515\t調整一下好不好做一個滾動的修正好謝謝繼續請原民會最後一點時間原民會的董事長請問一下您上台之前您好好聽一下您小小裡面的電視台廣播人才你們禁用和培訓有沒有明確的升遷制度請問\n841843\t860983\t有沒有明確的申請制度有沒有提供給本席然後主管職還有第一線工作者的緣額有沒有一定族群比連我們自己電視台跟廣播電台都沒有所謂的族群比例的話我們如何要求別人呢\n861718\t886028\t就是族群的比例對阿當然要阿然後第三個是長期以來我很看重的人才培訓請問董事長你有沒有掌握我們在各個學校相關的大眾傳播的人數跟科系然後呢你們有沒有規劃這些孩子畢業之後怎麼到你們的電視台或是廣播台去工作嗎那或者是他在求學的時候能不能就到你們那邊去做實習有沒有這樣的制度\n886553\t902444\t有,我們現在的實習制度都明確定定,然後另外就是我們要加強跟各個原住民的推廣單位合作來推動。好,我再問你,你跟大眾傳播的科系有沒有數據你手上?\n904065\t917585\t你如果沒有數據的話你怎麼跟他們做對交流怎麼跟他們做對接你們等於是被動式的沒有主動式的那我們培養了這麼多的孩子連我們自己的電視台連自己的廣播台進不去你不是覺得很奇怪嗎\n918971\t944398\t我們過去有這方面的資料不過應該要再重新更新董事長請您把我剛剛說的三個問題提供給我第一個電視台廣播的人才禁用和培訓怎麼禁用培訓第二個有沒有明確的升遷制度第三個這些就讀相關傳播的人數跟科系你們有沒有資料然後最後一個提出具體的規劃好不好謝謝主席給我一點時間謝謝您好謝謝高建昭\n","txt":"請高金委員質詢。\n原民會的事務真的是非常的多所以我今天可能會花比較多時間請這個主席再給我一點多一點的時間好不好好一江主委好八年了您是做最久的主委而且是應該很進入狀況了所以呢今天我做召委我只要是涉及原民會各處設立的業務也請你們弄了一個專案報告來所以今天我先問一下中規處\n這個蔡政府倒數已經快要50天了我們今天檢視一下這8年來蔡政府原住民政見的總體檢我們來看一下大家因應期盼的所謂的自治法105年蔡總統在原住民政見他就提出來了原住民的自治法草案然後107年我們所謂的原轉會\n他在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出就是原住民的自治要有一明確的空間範圍二要有自治的權限三要有固定的裁員然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生請問一下八年來現在推動哪裡了而且就我知道這八年來你們已經花了三千多萬\n三千五百零六萬兩千卻勝不出一個原住民自治法然後主委你不要忘記這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數按照這個道理來說只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易只要他在意應該很容易通過為什麼到現在還沒有通過簡單的講一下\n我想委員也都了解過去我們很多版本都送進來過各政黨的立場都從來沒有一致過那委員我是覺得以我面對自治法的這幾年的狀況我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的\n分流立法有所謂剛剛才講到的這那麼重要的事情嗎第一個要這個原住民的固定財源自己的權限空間的範圍有嗎我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分法筆\n主委今天真的沒有很多的時間我要告訴您的是只要蔡政府她願意的話其實行政院長帶領的大家一起來討論其實會蠻快的所以這八年來每一底推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡開什麼會是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下\n另外,都市原住民族人口佔比從91年的32.8%到今年2月已經成長了49.76%現在總共是294,802人了長者黨輔助非常的快蔡總統在105年的時候她對原民的政見也提出她要支持都市原住民發展我們在第10屆第2會期的時候審查原民會的預算原民會也承諾你們要嚴明都市原住民族發展條例草案\n一百一十年也花了一百四十萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究一百一十一年又花了兩百一十二萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會可是呢都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來為什麼委員其實顏明慧版本的草案已經擬走那送出來了沒有現在就是要\n等我們行政院跟各部會這個協商才會...蔡總統快離開了耶那520之前可以嗎這是他的證件喔他的證件要跳票嗎好沒關係請你我們這個版本請你趕快趕快好不好趕快送行政院會如果行政院會沒有送出來請問一下為什麼是蔡總統的證件對原住民的都市原住民不在意嗎要跳票嗎總要有個說明吧好謝謝經發處\n2022年通過的《食農教育法》第7條規定原住民族主管機關的主則是原住民的營養、均和飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣然後原住民族級的食農教育專業人員要培訓計畫請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣?\n跟各位委員報告我們依照上一次委員特別的指示那希望能夠對這個食農交易能夠進一步來協助族人那我們現在在我們這個特色農業的這個計畫那我們也推動這個三張EQ那現在大概200多個團體現在也跟我們開始來施展\n那個處長您知道嗎除了現在你們已經推動了之外你現在清楚知道嗎我們原住民族的地區是其實呢平常他的身份除了農民之外他到了假日轉變為民宿業者然後或者是餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主請問一下你對這樣子原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身份你覺得應該怎麼做你們有沒有去做過統計\n我們想一個做法就是應該用地產地銷的方式也就是說當我們的這個國人到我們的這個部落來那同時這個時數郵購我想都可以來帶動我們部落的這個經濟我想整個那個點線面的部分我們原民會大概都已經制定了這個中長期計劃\n是完全可以結合部落產業政策的那你們目前有我剛剛說了有很多身份的這些我們的族人因為我們只不過59萬人嘛已經29萬人已經在都會了所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多你們有沒有做一個這樣子一個統計他的身份有多重身份的到底有多少人然後這些人要非常的精準的來扶植他們這樣子的話年輕人回流才才比較願意啊\n114年5月1日\n國土救援法就要施行了我也清楚知道你們也在地方做了一番的說明然後我們這個族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理回歸到我們部落的主體由原民會跟內政部來共同主管現在大家很擔心的就是移戶的問題我記得在那個我們的助團會上面我們的族人都講移戶都不能少請問一下杜璋處長現在是不是有往這個方向去進行\n各位委員報告這個有關於主任遺戶的部分他土地權益的保障事實上在去年的10月已經有發文給各個鄉鎮施工所來調查他們目前這個遺戶的使用狀況那原則上在這遺戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是一些民宿或者露營場的這樣的經營\n原則上這個資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則我們會研議怎麼樣納入這個使用規則來保障那個一戶你能不能資料告訴我大概有8萬多戶\n如果分棟的話就是個別棟大概將近12萬到14萬所以也就是說114年5月1號以後我們將有8萬戶的原住民族人他的建築就會合法了當然未來有取得建築之後我們還必須要跟建築用地的\n建築用地的部分我們還必須要以我召委的話我會來跟內政部還有建築工會一起來討論但是現在最重要的就是有非常多的族人我們到的地方去然後我們用法條式的羅列給大家我們的族人非常的不理解所以是不是原民會你們製作縮帖然後讓我們族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽好不好\n這個我們在推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃懶人包還有一些QA的另外就是有一些要加強說明的部落的部分我們也會進行未來還會做幾場目前我們自己的所謂大型就是像上個月才剛剛應該是上個月才剛剛舉辦一場還有四場但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推因為我們跟那個國土署有相關的經費的一組一直做到113年的年底\n一定這個懶人包一定要讓族人知道那他本席也會跟內政部還有那個建築師公會我們一起來討論未來要如何加速我們這個原住民取得合法建築物的部分好不好謝謝公建處很重要不好意思再給我一點時間我們的道路和基礎建設真的是很重要我一直追蹤這個部落聯絡道路養護預算我們的交通部都是給要一塊給五毛請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取\n不足的這個兩億的部分而且我的總質詢他們答應要做回喔包委員目前調查結果其實這去年今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求沒有啊不管他提不出需求你們當然應該要把補足那個不足的部分補回來啊我目前調查結果是45個鄉公所所以我目前做法就是沒有提出需求的部分我們就優先分配給需求比較高的\n沒有 處長你沒有回答我的問題我在總諮詢的時候一將主委來回答一下你明明聽得很清楚知道行政院長說他要補回這2億不足的部分請問一下院長要下來之前已經快要離開這個位置了院長有沒有交代一下\n根委包括我們這個部分在編列下年度的預算的時候盤點一下過去一年執行的方向那整個需求是什麼我們應該按照實際期的編列預算沒有我剛剛講的是養護預算養護預算其實對營商很重要\n養護率預算我們長期以來就是編列不足啊然後自從我質詢了之後好不容易找到了這筆錢啊那事實上這筆錢還有2億不足的部分啊是不是要把它追回來所以114年是不是可以把它追回來因為這2億可以做很多事情耶你們雖然有很多的特色道路移居部落等等其實是不夠錢的對不對 宜將主委是對啊 所以你們是不是要怎麼討論一下這個追回來以後要怎麼使用\n我們對養護會的部分來談舔一下過去執行的狀況來編列下個年度的預算好 謝謝希望你們能明確告訴我這個大概到我辦公室來說明一下社福處原住民中心10月12號我曾經跟衛環委員會來質詢然後也在3月5號也跟院長質詢了在上週原本要報院的所謂的這個計畫為什麼會把它臨時抽出來\n跟委員報告 因為現在行政計畫還沒有核定 那我們有針對有一個部分要去做一個補充資料那比如說像我們的那個原加重慶的定位 我們當初再寫清楚一點就是提供以原住民族主體為本什麼時候要提供資料給行政院 因為院長也答應我在他離開之前要把他核定這個計畫已經送過去了已經送了齁 好 請你再繼續追蹤一下\n好,我們再繼續談一下,內政部今年2月最新數據看到原住民的扶幼比例是26.57,高於全體國民的17.11,代表原住民的父母養育的壓力遠大於其他人。然後我們非常多原住民父母也離鄉背井到都市工作,因此在部落裡面常看到隔代教育的問題。0到2歲的原民脫穎,你們有什麼政策?請問一下。\n一項主委這很重要那謝謝委員那也是在大院的支持之下我們現在503這個文件上那其中一個很重要的政策我們在那個老幼供學部分我知道可是文件有時候這個是2到6歲0到2歲有嗎\n是那領導兩歲的部分現在在衛福部他有提供一些相關的一個偵測也目前是有在做一個我們有在做一個關係但是領導二歲的部分那在我們的交通處也有一些相關一個保姆誘託的部分這樣我建議領導二歲\n你剛剛說在教文處那麻煩教文處跟你這個這個一起來告訴我你們怎麼做好不好但是我提供一個一個是擴大族語保姆的適用範圍讓更多的部落長者可以參與第二個是簡化族語保姆的申請流程讓我們的長者更願意申請第三個是讓有意願跟能力的長者在文件站兼做族語保姆的工作其實這個部分都可以值得你們來思考可以嗎\n好繼續我要問一下語推組織了2月29號原民會邀請各語推組織的人員召開語推組織共事的會議幾乎所有語推組織都有反應希望能夠增加人力跟預算請問一下主委你們怎麼做現在有沒有增加人力有沒有增加預算你剛剛說主語的部分在教會裡面你編了不少的預算為什麼在實際上推動主語的這些人不給他增加的預算跟人力\n我們對已推人員的預算編列我們會逐年做一個檢討有沒有你這個檢討啊你剛剛講到了2月29號你才跟他們做會議啊他們正在等待你們原民會怎麼處理啊\n五二零之前麻煩趕快要處理解決這個問題你做了八年你應該很清楚知道他們的痛處在哪裡所以一個月不要一個月一個禮拜也到我辦公室說明一下給這些輿推人員一些保障跟他們要有的解決問題好不好我們會持續在相關的費用做一個\n調整一下好不好做一個滾動的修正好謝謝繼續請原民會最後一點時間原民會的董事長請問一下您上台之前您好好聽一下您小小裡面的電視台廣播人才你們禁用和培訓有沒有明確的升遷制度請問\n有沒有明確的申請制度有沒有提供給本席然後主管職還有第一線工作者的緣額有沒有一定族群比連我們自己電視台跟廣播電台都沒有所謂的族群比例的話我們如何要求別人呢\n就是族群的比例對阿當然要阿然後第三個是長期以來我很看重的人才培訓請問董事長你有沒有掌握我們在各個學校相關的大眾傳播的人數跟科系然後呢你們有沒有規劃這些孩子畢業之後怎麼到你們的電視台或是廣播台去工作嗎那或者是他在求學的時候能不能就到你們那邊去做實習有沒有這樣的制度\n有,我們現在的實習制度都明確定定,然後另外就是我們要加強跟各個原住民的推廣單位合作來推動。好,我再問你,你跟大眾傳播的科系有沒有數據你手上?\n你如果沒有數據的話你怎麼跟他們做對交流怎麼跟他們做對接你們等於是被動式的沒有主動式的那我們培養了這麼多的孩子連我們自己的電視台連自己的廣播台進不去你不是覺得很奇怪嗎\n我們過去有這方面的資料不過應該要再重新更新董事長請您把我剛剛說的三個問題提供給我第一個電視台廣播的人才禁用和培訓怎麼禁用培訓第二個有沒有明確的升遷制度第三個這些就讀相關傳播的人數跟科系你們有沒有資料然後最後一個提出具體的規劃好不好謝謝主席給我一點時間謝謝您好謝謝高建昭\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.513 --> 00:02.315\n請高金委員質詢。\n\n00:13.727 --> 00:34.362\n原民會的事務真的是非常的多所以我今天可能會花比較多時間請這個主席再給我一點多一點的時間好不好好一江主委好八年了您是做最久的主委而且是應該很進入狀況了所以呢今天我做召委我只要是涉及原民會各處設立的業務也請你們弄了一個專案報告來所以今天我先問一下中規處\n\n00:36.103 --> 00:53.136\n這個蔡政府倒數已經快要50天了我們今天檢視一下這8年來蔡政府原住民政見的總體檢我們來看一下大家因應期盼的所謂的自治法105年蔡總統在原住民政見他就提出來了原住民的自治法草案然後107年我們所謂的原轉會\n\n00:56.138 --> 01:18.973\n他在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出就是原住民的自治要有一明確的空間範圍二要有自治的權限三要有固定的裁員然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生請問一下八年來現在推動哪裡了而且就我知道這八年來你們已經花了三千多萬\n\n01:20.575 --> 01:41.874\n三千五百零六萬兩千卻勝不出一個原住民自治法然後主委你不要忘記這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數按照這個道理來說只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易只要他在意應該很容易通過為什麼到現在還沒有通過簡單的講一下\n\n01:45.834 --> 02:05.886\n我想委員也都了解過去我們很多版本都送進來過各政黨的立場都從來沒有一致過那委員我是覺得以我面對自治法的這幾年的狀況我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的\n\n02:06.946 --> 02:21.242\n分流立法有所謂剛剛才講到的這那麼重要的事情嗎第一個要這個原住民的固定財源自己的權限空間的範圍有嗎我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分法筆\n\n02:22.283 --> 02:40.669\n主委今天真的沒有很多的時間我要告訴您的是只要蔡政府她願意的話其實行政院長帶領的大家一起來討論其實會蠻快的所以這八年來每一底推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡開什麼會是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下\n\n02:42.690 --> 03:09.226\n另外,都市原住民族人口佔比從91年的32.8%到今年2月已經成長了49.76%現在總共是294,802人了長者黨輔助非常的快蔡總統在105年的時候她對原民的政見也提出她要支持都市原住民發展我們在第10屆第2會期的時候審查原民會的預算原民會也承諾你們要嚴明都市原住民族發展條例草案\n\n03:10.166 --> 03:34.700\n一百一十年也花了一百四十萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究一百一十一年又花了兩百一十二萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會可是呢都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來為什麼委員其實顏明慧版本的草案已經擬走那送出來了沒有現在就是要\n\n03:35.270 --> 03:45.153\n等我們行政院跟各部會這個協商才會...蔡總統快離開了耶那520之前可以嗎這是他的證件喔他的證件要跳票嗎好沒關係請你我們這個版本請你趕快趕快好不好趕快送行政院會如果行政院會沒有送出來請問一下為什麼是蔡總統的證件對原住民的都市原住民不在意嗎要跳票嗎總要有個說明吧好謝謝經發處\n\n04:05.781 --> 04:18.339\n2022年通過的《食農教育法》第7條規定原住民族主管機關的主則是原住民的營養、均和飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣然後原住民族級的食農教育專業人員要培訓計畫請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣?\n\n04:22.594 --> 04:33.224\n跟各位委員報告我們依照上一次委員特別的指示那希望能夠對這個食農交易能夠進一步來協助族人那我們現在在我們這個特色農業的這個計畫那我們也推動這個三張EQ那現在大概200多個團體現在也跟我們開始來施展\n\n04:42.932 --> 05:06.060\n那個處長您知道嗎除了現在你們已經推動了之外你現在清楚知道嗎我們原住民族的地區是其實呢平常他的身份除了農民之外他到了假日轉變為民宿業者然後或者是餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主請問一下你對這樣子原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身份你覺得應該怎麼做你們有沒有去做過統計\n\n05:07.320 --> 05:15.043\n我們想一個做法就是應該用地產地銷的方式也就是說當我們的這個國人到我們的這個部落來那同時這個時數郵購我想都可以來帶動我們部落的這個經濟我想整個那個點線面的部分我們原民會大概都已經制定了這個中長期計劃\n\n05:29.247 --> 05:54.907\n是完全可以結合部落產業政策的那你們目前有我剛剛說了有很多身份的這些我們的族人因為我們只不過59萬人嘛已經29萬人已經在都會了所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多你們有沒有做一個這樣子一個統計他的身份有多重身份的到底有多少人然後這些人要非常的精準的來扶植他們這樣子的話年輕人回流才才比較願意啊\n\n05:56.961 --> 05:57.222\n114年5月1日\n\n06:15.932 --> 06:42.614\n國土救援法就要施行了我也清楚知道你們也在地方做了一番的說明然後我們這個族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理回歸到我們部落的主體由原民會跟內政部來共同主管現在大家很擔心的就是移戶的問題我記得在那個我們的助團會上面我們的族人都講移戶都不能少請問一下杜璋處長現在是不是有往這個方向去進行\n\n06:43.679 --> 07:04.528\n各位委員報告這個有關於主任遺戶的部分他土地權益的保障事實上在去年的10月已經有發文給各個鄉鎮施工所來調查他們目前這個遺戶的使用狀況那原則上在這遺戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是一些民宿或者露營場的這樣的經營\n\n07:06.128 --> 07:14.036\n原則上這個資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則我們會研議怎麼樣納入這個使用規則來保障那個一戶你能不能資料告訴我大概有8萬多戶\n\n07:20.962 --> 07:36.553\n如果分棟的話就是個別棟大概將近12萬到14萬所以也就是說114年5月1號以後我們將有8萬戶的原住民族人他的建築就會合法了當然未來有取得建築之後我們還必須要跟建築用地的\n\n07:36.753 --> 07:58.132\n建築用地的部分我們還必須要以我召委的話我會來跟內政部還有建築工會一起來討論但是現在最重要的就是有非常多的族人我們到的地方去然後我們用法條式的羅列給大家我們的族人非常的不理解所以是不是原民會你們製作縮帖然後讓我們族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽好不好\n\n07:59.037 --> 08:24.251\n這個我們在推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃懶人包還有一些QA的另外就是有一些要加強說明的部落的部分我們也會進行未來還會做幾場目前我們自己的所謂大型就是像上個月才剛剛應該是上個月才剛剛舉辦一場還有四場但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推因為我們跟那個國土署有相關的經費的一組一直做到113年的年底\n\n08:26.112 --> 08:53.741\n一定這個懶人包一定要讓族人知道那他本席也會跟內政部還有那個建築師公會我們一起來討論未來要如何加速我們這個原住民取得合法建築物的部分好不好謝謝公建處很重要不好意思再給我一點時間我們的道路和基礎建設真的是很重要我一直追蹤這個部落聯絡道路養護預算我們的交通部都是給要一塊給五毛請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取\n\n08:55.459 --> 09:20.021\n不足的這個兩億的部分而且我的總質詢他們答應要做回喔包委員目前調查結果其實這去年今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求沒有啊不管他提不出需求你們當然應該要把補足那個不足的部分補回來啊我目前調查結果是45個鄉公所所以我目前做法就是沒有提出需求的部分我們就優先分配給需求比較高的\n\n09:20.734 --> 09:36.843\n沒有處長你沒有回答我的問題我在總諮詢的時候一將主委來回答一下你明明聽得很清楚知道行政院長說他要補回這2億不足的部分請問一下院長要下來之前已經快要離開這個位置了院長有沒有交代一下\n\n09:38.274 --> 09:50.167\n根委包括我們這個部分在編列下年度的預算的時候盤點一下過去一年執行的方向那整個需求是什麼我們應該按照實際期的編列預算沒有我剛剛講的是養護預算養護預算其實對營商很重要\n\n09:54.291 --> 10:21.016\n養護率預算我們長期以來就是編列不足啊然後自從我質詢了之後好不容易找到了這筆錢啊那事實上這筆錢還有2億不足的部分啊是不是要把它追回來所以114年是不是可以把它追回來因為這2億可以做很多事情耶你們雖然有很多的特色道路移居部落等等其實是不夠錢的對不對宜將主委是對啊所以你們是不是要怎麼討論一下這個追回來以後要怎麼使用\n\n10:21.716 --> 10:47.011\n我們對養護會的部分來談舔一下過去執行的狀況來編列下個年度的預算好謝謝希望你們能明確告訴我這個大概到我辦公室來說明一下社福處原住民中心10月12號我曾經跟衛環委員會來質詢然後也在3月5號也跟院長質詢了在上週原本要報院的所謂的這個計畫為什麼會把它臨時抽出來\n\n10:50.513 --> 11:09.324\n跟委員報告因為現在行政計畫還沒有核定那我們有針對有一個部分要去做一個補充資料那比如說像我們的那個原加重慶的定位我們當初再寫清楚一點就是提供以原住民族主體為本什麼時候要提供資料給行政院因為院長也答應我在他離開之前要把他核定這個計畫已經送過去了已經送了齁好請你再繼續追蹤一下\n\n11:13.726 --> 11:37.169\n好,我們再繼續談一下,內政部今年2月最新數據看到原住民的扶幼比例是26.57,高於全體國民的17.11,代表原住民的父母養育的壓力遠大於其他人。然後我們非常多原住民父母也離鄉背井到都市工作,因此在部落裡面常看到隔代教育的問題。0到2歲的原民脫穎,你們有什麼政策?請問一下。\n\n11:38.010 --> 11:50.484\n一項主委這很重要那謝謝委員那也是在大院的支持之下我們現在503這個文件上那其中一個很重要的政策我們在那個老幼供學部分我知道可是文件有時候這個是2到6歲0到2歲有嗎\n\n11:53.027 --> 12:06.714\n是那領導兩歲的部分現在在衛福部他有提供一些相關的一個偵測也目前是有在做一個我們有在做一個關係但是領導二歲的部分那在我們的交通處也有一些相關一個保姆誘託的部分這樣我建議領導二歲\n\n12:08.255 --> 12:33.473\n你剛剛說在教文處那麻煩教文處跟你這個這個一起來告訴我你們怎麼做好不好但是我提供一個一個是擴大族語保姆的適用範圍讓更多的部落長者可以參與第二個是簡化族語保姆的申請流程讓我們的長者更願意申請第三個是讓有意願跟能力的長者在文件站兼做族語保姆的工作其實這個部分都可以值得你們來思考可以嗎\n\n12:35.387 --> 13:00.209\n好繼續我要問一下語推組織了2月29號原民會邀請各語推組織的人員召開語推組織共事的會議幾乎所有語推組織都有反應希望能夠增加人力跟預算請問一下主委你們怎麼做現在有沒有增加人力有沒有增加預算你剛剛說主語的部分在教會裡面你編了不少的預算為什麼在實際上推動主語的這些人不給他增加的預算跟人力\n\n13:01.161 --> 13:13.136\n我們對已推人員的預算編列我們會逐年做一個檢討有沒有你這個檢討啊你剛剛講到了2月29號你才跟他們做會議啊他們正在等待你們原民會怎麼處理啊\n\n13:14.756 --> 13:40.187\n五二零之前麻煩趕快要處理解決這個問題你做了八年你應該很清楚知道他們的痛處在哪裡所以一個月不要一個月一個禮拜也到我辦公室說明一下給這些輿推人員一些保障跟他們要有的解決問題好不好我們會持續在相關的費用做一個\n\n13:41.467 --> 13:58.515\n調整一下好不好做一個滾動的修正好謝謝繼續請原民會最後一點時間原民會的董事長請問一下您上台之前您好好聽一下您小小裡面的電視台廣播人才你們禁用和培訓有沒有明確的升遷制度請問\n\n14:01.843 --> 14:20.983\n有沒有明確的申請制度有沒有提供給本席然後主管職還有第一線工作者的緣額有沒有一定族群比連我們自己電視台跟廣播電台都沒有所謂的族群比例的話我們如何要求別人呢\n\n14:21.718 --> 14:46.028\n就是族群的比例對阿當然要阿然後第三個是長期以來我很看重的人才培訓請問董事長你有沒有掌握我們在各個學校相關的大眾傳播的人數跟科系然後呢你們有沒有規劃這些孩子畢業之後怎麼到你們的電視台或是廣播台去工作嗎那或者是他在求學的時候能不能就到你們那邊去做實習有沒有這樣的制度\n\n14:46.553 --> 15:02.444\n有,我們現在的實習制度都明確定定,然後另外就是我們要加強跟各個原住民的推廣單位合作來推動。好,我再問你,你跟大眾傳播的科系有沒有數據你手上?\n\n15:04.065 --> 15:17.585\n你如果沒有數據的話你怎麼跟他們做對交流怎麼跟他們做對接你們等於是被動式的沒有主動式的那我們培養了這麼多的孩子連我們自己的電視台連自己的廣播台進不去你不是覺得很奇怪嗎\n\n15:18.971 --> 15:44.398\n我們過去有這方面的資料不過應該要再重新更新董事長請您把我剛剛說的三個問題提供給我第一個電視台廣播的人才禁用和培訓怎麼禁用培訓第二個有沒有明確的升遷制度第三個這些就讀相關傳播的人數跟科系你們有沒有資料然後最後一個提出具體的規劃好不好謝謝主席給我一點時間謝謝您好謝謝高建昭\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.513,"end":2.315,"text":"請高金委員質詢。"},{"start":13.727,"end":34.362,"text":"原民會的事務真的是非常的多所以我今天可能會花比較多時間請這個主席再給我一點多一點的時間好不好好一江主委好八年了您是做最久的主委而且是應該很進入狀況了所以呢今天我做召委我只要是涉及原民會各處設立的業務也請你們弄了一個專案報告來所以今天我先問一下中規處"},{"start":36.103,"end":53.136,"text":"這個蔡政府倒數已經快要50天了我們今天檢視一下這8年來蔡政府原住民政見的總體檢我們來看一下大家因應期盼的所謂的自治法105年蔡總統在原住民政見他就提出來了原住民的自治法草案然後107年我們所謂的原轉會"},{"start":56.138,"end":78.973,"text":"他在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出就是原住民的自治要有一明確的空間範圍二要有自治的權限三要有固定的裁員然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生請問一下八年來現在推動哪裡了而且就我知道這八年來你們已經花了三千多萬"},{"start":80.575,"end":101.874,"text":"三千五百零六萬兩千卻勝不出一個原住民自治法然後主委你不要忘記這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數按照這個道理來說只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易只要他在意應該很容易通過為什麼到現在還沒有通過簡單的講一下"},{"start":105.834,"end":125.886,"text":"我想委員也都了解過去我們很多版本都送進來過各政黨的立場都從來沒有一致過那委員我是覺得以我面對自治法的這幾年的狀況我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的"},{"start":126.946,"end":141.242,"text":"分流立法有所謂剛剛才講到的這那麼重要的事情嗎第一個要這個原住民的固定財源自己的權限空間的範圍有嗎我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分法筆"},{"start":142.283,"end":160.669,"text":"主委今天真的沒有很多的時間我要告訴您的是只要蔡政府她願意的話其實行政院長帶領的大家一起來討論其實會蠻快的所以這八年來每一底推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡開什麼會是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下"},{"start":162.69,"end":189.226,"text":"另外,都市原住民族人口佔比從91年的32.8%到今年2月已經成長了49.76%現在總共是294,802人了長者黨輔助非常的快蔡總統在105年的時候她對原民的政見也提出她要支持都市原住民發展我們在第10屆第2會期的時候審查原民會的預算原民會也承諾你們要嚴明都市原住民族發展條例草案"},{"start":190.166,"end":214.7,"text":"一百一十年也花了一百四十萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究一百一十一年又花了兩百一十二萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會可是呢都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來為什麼委員其實顏明慧版本的草案已經擬走那送出來了沒有現在就是要"},{"start":215.27,"end":225.153,"text":"等我們行政院跟各部會這個協商才會...蔡總統快離開了耶那520之前可以嗎這是他的證件喔他的證件要跳票嗎好沒關係請你我們這個版本請你趕快趕快好不好趕快送行政院會如果行政院會沒有送出來請問一下為什麼是蔡總統的證件對原住民的都市原住民不在意嗎要跳票嗎總要有個說明吧好謝謝經發處"},{"start":245.781,"end":258.339,"text":"2022年通過的《食農教育法》第7條規定原住民族主管機關的主則是原住民的營養、均和飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣然後原住民族級的食農教育專業人員要培訓計畫請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣?"},{"start":262.594,"end":273.224,"text":"跟各位委員報告我們依照上一次委員特別的指示那希望能夠對這個食農交易能夠進一步來協助族人那我們現在在我們這個特色農業的這個計畫那我們也推動這個三張EQ那現在大概200多個團體現在也跟我們開始來施展"},{"start":282.932,"end":306.06,"text":"那個處長您知道嗎除了現在你們已經推動了之外你現在清楚知道嗎我們原住民族的地區是其實呢平常他的身份除了農民之外他到了假日轉變為民宿業者然後或者是餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主請問一下你對這樣子原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身份你覺得應該怎麼做你們有沒有去做過統計"},{"start":307.32,"end":315.043,"text":"我們想一個做法就是應該用地產地銷的方式也就是說當我們的這個國人到我們的這個部落來那同時這個時數郵購我想都可以來帶動我們部落的這個經濟我想整個那個點線面的部分我們原民會大概都已經制定了這個中長期計劃"},{"start":329.247,"end":354.907,"text":"是完全可以結合部落產業政策的那你們目前有我剛剛說了有很多身份的這些我們的族人因為我們只不過59萬人嘛已經29萬人已經在都會了所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多你們有沒有做一個這樣子一個統計他的身份有多重身份的到底有多少人然後這些人要非常的精準的來扶植他們這樣子的話年輕人回流才才比較願意啊"},{"start":356.961,"end":357.222,"text":"114年5月1日"},{"start":375.932,"end":402.614,"text":"國土救援法就要施行了我也清楚知道你們也在地方做了一番的說明然後我們這個族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理回歸到我們部落的主體由原民會跟內政部來共同主管現在大家很擔心的就是移戶的問題我記得在那個我們的助團會上面我們的族人都講移戶都不能少請問一下杜璋處長現在是不是有往這個方向去進行"},{"start":403.679,"end":424.528,"text":"各位委員報告這個有關於主任遺戶的部分他土地權益的保障事實上在去年的10月已經有發文給各個鄉鎮施工所來調查他們目前這個遺戶的使用狀況那原則上在這遺戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是一些民宿或者露營場的這樣的經營"},{"start":426.128,"end":434.036,"text":"原則上這個資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則我們會研議怎麼樣納入這個使用規則來保障那個一戶你能不能資料告訴我大概有8萬多戶"},{"start":440.962,"end":456.553,"text":"如果分棟的話就是個別棟大概將近12萬到14萬所以也就是說114年5月1號以後我們將有8萬戶的原住民族人他的建築就會合法了當然未來有取得建築之後我們還必須要跟建築用地的"},{"start":456.753,"end":478.132,"text":"建築用地的部分我們還必須要以我召委的話我會來跟內政部還有建築工會一起來討論但是現在最重要的就是有非常多的族人我們到的地方去然後我們用法條式的羅列給大家我們的族人非常的不理解所以是不是原民會你們製作縮帖然後讓我們族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽好不好"},{"start":479.037,"end":504.251,"text":"這個我們在推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃懶人包還有一些QA的另外就是有一些要加強說明的部落的部分我們也會進行未來還會做幾場目前我們自己的所謂大型就是像上個月才剛剛應該是上個月才剛剛舉辦一場還有四場但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推因為我們跟那個國土署有相關的經費的一組一直做到113年的年底"},{"start":506.112,"end":533.741,"text":"一定這個懶人包一定要讓族人知道那他本席也會跟內政部還有那個建築師公會我們一起來討論未來要如何加速我們這個原住民取得合法建築物的部分好不好謝謝公建處很重要不好意思再給我一點時間我們的道路和基礎建設真的是很重要我一直追蹤這個部落聯絡道路養護預算我們的交通部都是給要一塊給五毛請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取"},{"start":535.459,"end":560.021,"text":"不足的這個兩億的部分而且我的總質詢他們答應要做回喔包委員目前調查結果其實這去年今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求沒有啊不管他提不出需求你們當然應該要把補足那個不足的部分補回來啊我目前調查結果是45個鄉公所所以我目前做法就是沒有提出需求的部分我們就優先分配給需求比較高的"},{"start":560.734,"end":576.843,"text":"沒有 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