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00:03:16,069\n變成說這一個被害人要去告醫院這本來就是一個非常奇怪的一個行為但是後來我們的了解當事人也出來澄清了根本沒這回事是媒體的錯誤的報導所以理論上來講媒體有這樣錯誤報導應該出來道歉跟社會道歉因為這個會影響很大\n\n10\n00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:37,241\n對於醫療人員的傷害以及是否會造成所謂的防衛性醫療造成對其他病人的損害這個都有可能的所以我是希望說媒體如果說報導不實的話應該出來道歉澄清\n\n11\n00:03:38,101 --> 00:03:55,577\n我們也期待大家可以更用包容可是在追求事實的過程裡面有更好的這個可能性那我們也知道這個食品檢驗基金是未來可以提供這個標準品統一採購的可能性那這部分不知道目前有沒有進度\n\n12\n00:03:57,238 --> 00:04:18,424\n所謂的食安檢驗基金的如何用、怎麼樣來用、錢從哪邊來這個都還在規劃當中那初步的話是可能從食安基金的部分來增加它的用途這個方向去走但是實際上要怎麼樣來\n\n13\n00:04:19,844 --> 00:04:19,864\n臺灣菸酒\n\n14\n00:04:40,669 --> 00:05:07,890\n以前都非常好都沒有發生過所以我們就不會去準備這些標準品那如果臨近國家也曾經有發生過的話我們基本上希望能夠盡快的把這些標準品能夠準備好但有任何問題的時候我們就可以啟動相關的宣言我跟各位報告這一個標準品的準備那是沒有極限的以現在食藥署有7000多個標準品在\n\n15\n00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:30,253\n他的那個等於說行路裡面大概2萬多個啦但是那個還是有可能不足那什麼樣需要去準備標準品這個不是像說在打電動這樣把你擠下去你就造出來不是這樣因為有一些標準品的話你要去訂了他才會開始製造\n\n16\n00:05:32,094 --> 00:05:47,202\n國際的這些廠商他也沒有配合好大單要賣離的因為太少用的就是這個樣子所以這個是有一點點複雜的問題但是如果經常可以用得到的話我們大概都已經準備了\n\n17\n00:05:48,543 --> 00:06:04,251\n了解因為現在全球流通疫情以後事實上是越來越頻繁那如果鄰近國家曾經有一些可能或者曾經發生過的部分我們就盡量來準備這部分就麻煩部裡面可以努力的來處理\n\n18\n00:06:05,592 --> 00:06:21,989\n那到底發生的這些中毒的物質啊或者是這些食品的判斷標準一直都是會讓民眾迷惑包括說這次的小林製藥的紅麴那到底是什麼樣的菌那是什麼樣的毒素\n\n19\n00:06:22,629 --> 00:06:42,123\n或者是有其他的相關的可能性也好或者是米酵菌栓到底很多這個對民眾教育來講其實剛好這是一個機會教育讓民眾對於他的生活在他飲食可以更為了解那對於以前我們所學習到的這些微生物對人體的影響\n\n20\n00:06:42,984 --> 00:07:10,637\n致病菌的問題這個部分也麻煩部裡面署裡面可以有更多的民眾教育來加強這方面讓民眾對於自己身體健康的安全的了解這部分的話其實從最近這兩件包括小林紅麴的這一個到現在還不知道到底是什麼東西引起來的到寶林茶室的這一個米酵菌酸這也是我們第一次接觸到的\n\n21\n00:07:11,818 --> 00:07:25,954\n我們都可以看得到這食安的問題是在演變當中有很多可能未來會有很多這種過去從來沒有碰到的會跑出來這種問題會跑出來那這個就跟傳染病新興傳染病一樣\n\n22\n00:07:30,999 --> 00:07:56,619\n過去沒有的這些微生物現在又逐漸的也許氣候變遷還是怎麼樣等等的關係就逐漸跑出來再加上國際間的一個平衡的交流所以老實講這個有它的共同點也就是說我們越來在預防上面是越來越困難但是我們必須要建立我們的韌性\n\n23\n00:07:58,584 --> 00:08:13,795\n重點是一旦有這種新興的案件出來的話能夠很迅速的去發現它的原因然後去做處理才能夠說以後有這種預防的措施出來\n\n24\n00:08:14,375 --> 00:08:33,487\n是的確我想民眾透過這次的整個慘痛的過程也會知道到底未來要注意什麼事情不過我們看到這個在網頁上有細菌性食品中毒相關的一些說明那不知道這次米酵菌栓的說明已經登錄上去了嗎\n\n25\n00:08:35,881 --> 00:08:56,415\n我們現在正在簽我們會把它加進來OK這個應該盡速了因為都已經經過一兩個禮拜相信大家很清楚那對於將來的醫療機構要做判定也好對民眾來講應該都是非常重要的一個訊息那我們真的很希望民眾不要恐慌\n\n26\n00:08:57,596 --> 00:09:22,484\n因為政府把關之下其實一開始會有一些狀況不過相對來講透過這樣的這些過程民眾也應該要有好的正確的判斷避免自己的生活陷入一個恐慌當中那這個當然是很希望大家共同來努力那食安問題政府應該可以更主動的來做一些部分的加強比如說以小林這個製藥紅麴事件來看的話我們在\n\n27\n00:09:28,645 --> 00:09:46,349\n3月27號的時候是有國內預防性下架121件可是到了3月29號兩天以後就增加到200多件意思就是說除了我們讓業者能夠主動的通報下架以外其實我們主管機關這邊應該主動的聯繫業者下架這變成是一個雙向\n\n28\n00:09:50,330 --> 00:10:12,696\n其實我們一開始就主動聯繫進口提供的這些下游廠商他們所製造出來的產品我們就主動通知他們下架那現在是還在把這個產品再分給其他的廠商做出來更刺激的產品的這部分的話\n\n29\n00:10:13,536 --> 00:10:13,816\n王正旭委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10427\t13809\t謝謝主席有請薛部長好請薛部長\n18550\t33968\t委員好部長好真的是辛苦不過我想發生這個事情大家心情還是非常沉重而且也希望能夠得到儘速的改善那我們也知道其實很多的檢驗標準品有時候\n36831\t57149\t從來沒有發生過我們就很難去做好準備那這一次真的非常感謝這個基督教彰化基督教醫院的即時協助因為幸好他們在早年有準備了這個標準品讓我們在第一時間安定民心讓我們知道透過這樣的即時的檢驗可以確定\n59030\t80905\t應該是可以確定目前這個米酵菌酸的確是引起這次重大事件的一個影響那這部分除了我們要特別感謝這個彰化基督教育院以外那未來在這個過程裡面我們如何能夠再做更多的準備這部分也要麻煩大家來幫忙或者是署裡面或者是部裡面來幫忙\n81886\t107639\t那不過在這個不幸的事件裡面很多的醫療機構啊一開始醫療人員好像也受到一點誤解那幸好後面很快就可以讓社會民眾還有這些病患家屬知道所有的醫療機構都是很用心的在照顧我們民眾的健康這種突發事件雖然我們不樂見可是至少我們都善盡了這些醫療的責任那今年也開始實施了這個\n108779\t133180\t醫療事故預防跟正義的處理法所以不管事前的這個事故的預防事後的這些關懷溝通跟正義的調解都很希望衛福部這邊能夠更主動的來協助不管是在民眾端、社會端或是醫療端都能夠得到更大的協助跟關懷那這部分部長將來能不能夠以這樣的態度跟方式來處理\n135105\t150176\t目前醫療事故爭議的預防及處理法已經開始上路了有關這一類的爭議的話我們就會有一個比較和緩的分階段處理的一些機制\n150996\t170854\t讓他減低不管是醫病雙方哪一方他的一些負擔這個是這個法的一個重點但是以今天的這個案子有一個食物中毒的案子\n172595\t196069\t變成說這一個被害人要去告醫院這本來就是一個非常奇怪的一個行為但是後來我們的了解當事人也出來澄清了根本沒這回事是媒體的錯誤的報導所以理論上來講媒體有這樣錯誤報導應該出來道歉跟社會道歉因為這個會影響很大\n198190\t217241\t對於醫療人員的傷害以及是否會造成所謂的防衛性醫療造成對其他病人的損害這個都有可能的所以我是希望說媒體如果說報導不實的話應該出來道歉澄清\n218101\t235577\t我們也期待大家可以更用包容可是在追求事實的過程裡面有更好的這個可能性那我們也知道這個食品檢驗基金是未來可以提供這個標準品統一採購的可能性那這部分不知道目前有沒有進度\n237238\t258424\t所謂的食安檢驗基金的如何用、怎麼樣來用、錢從哪邊來這個都還在規劃當中那初步的話是可能從食安基金的部分來增加它的用途這個方向去走但是實際上要怎麼樣來\n259844\t259864\t臺灣菸酒\n280669\t307890\t以前都非常好都沒有發生過所以我們就不會去準備這些標準品那如果臨近國家也曾經有發生過的話我們基本上希望能夠盡快的把這些標準品能夠準備好但有任何問題的時候我們就可以啟動相關的宣言我跟各位報告這一個標準品的準備那是沒有極限的以現在食藥署有7000多個標準品在\n310370\t330253\t他的那個等於說行路裡面大概2萬多個啦但是那個還是有可能不足那什麼樣需要去準備標準品這個不是像說在打電動這樣把你擠下去你就造出來不是這樣因為有一些標準品的話你要去訂了他才會開始製造\n332094\t347202\t國際的這些廠商他也沒有配合好大單要賣離的因為太少用的就是這個樣子所以這個是有一點點複雜的問題但是如果經常可以用得到的話我們大概都已經準備了\n348543\t364251\t了解因為現在全球流通疫情以後事實上是越來越頻繁那如果鄰近國家曾經有一些可能或者曾經發生過的部分我們就盡量來準備這部分就麻煩部裡面可以努力的來處理\n365592\t381989\t那到底發生的這些中毒的物質啊或者是這些食品的判斷標準一直都是會讓民眾迷惑包括說這次的小林製藥的紅麴那到底是什麼樣的菌那是什麼樣的毒素\n382629\t402123\t或者是有其他的相關的可能性也好或者是米酵菌栓到底很多這個對民眾教育來講其實剛好這是一個機會教育讓民眾對於他的生活在他飲食可以更為了解那對於以前我們所學習到的這些微生物對人體的影響\n402984\t430637\t致病菌的問題這個部分也麻煩部裡面署裡面可以有更多的民眾教育來加強這方面讓民眾對於自己身體健康的安全的了解這部分的話其實從最近這兩件包括小林紅麴的這一個到現在還不知道到底是什麼東西引起來的到寶林茶室的這一個米酵菌酸這也是我們第一次接觸到的\n431818\t445954\t我們都可以看得到這食安的問題是在演變當中有很多可能未來會有很多這種過去從來沒有碰到的會跑出來這種問題會跑出來那這個就跟傳染病新興傳染病一樣\n450999\t476619\t過去沒有的這些微生物現在又逐漸的也許氣候變遷還是怎麼樣等等的關係就逐漸跑出來再加上國際間的一個平衡的交流所以老實講這個有它的共同點也就是說我們越來在預防上面是越來越困難但是我們必須要建立我們的韌性\n478584\t493795\t重點是一旦有這種新興的案件出來的話能夠很迅速的去發現它的原因然後去做處理才能夠說以後有這種預防的措施出來\n494375\t513487\t是的確我想民眾透過這次的整個慘痛的過程也會知道到底未來要注意什麼事情不過我們看到這個在網頁上有細菌性食品中毒相關的一些說明那不知道這次米酵菌栓的說明已經登錄上去了嗎\n515881\t536415\t我們現在正在簽我們會把它加進來OK 這個應該盡速了因為都已經經過一兩個禮拜相信大家很清楚那對於將來的醫療機構要做判定也好對民眾來講應該都是非常重要的一個訊息那我們真的很希望民眾不要恐慌\n537596\t562484\t因為政府把關之下其實一開始會有一些狀況不過相對來講透過這樣的這些過程民眾也應該要有好的正確的判斷避免自己的生活陷入一個恐慌當中那這個當然是很希望大家共同來努力那食安問題政府應該可以更主動的來做一些部分的加強比如說以小林這個製藥紅麴事件來看的話我們在\n568645\t586349\t3月27號的時候是有國內預防性下架121件可是到了3月29號兩天以後就增加到200多件意思就是說除了我們讓業者能夠主動的通報下架以外其實我們主管機關這邊應該主動的聯繫業者下架這變成是一個雙向\n590330\t612696\t其實我們一開始就主動聯繫進口提供的這些下游廠商他們所製造出來的產品我們就主動通知他們下架那現在是還在把這個產品再分給其他的廠商做出來更刺激的產品的這部分的話\n613536\t613816\t王正旭委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請薛部長好請薛部長\n委員好部長好真的是辛苦不過我想發生這個事情大家心情還是非常沉重而且也希望能夠得到儘速的改善那我們也知道其實很多的檢驗標準品有時候\n從來沒有發生過我們就很難去做好準備那這一次真的非常感謝這個基督教彰化基督教醫院的即時協助因為幸好他們在早年有準備了這個標準品讓我們在第一時間安定民心讓我們知道透過這樣的即時的檢驗可以確定\n應該是可以確定目前這個米酵菌酸的確是引起這次重大事件的一個影響那這部分除了我們要特別感謝這個彰化基督教育院以外那未來在這個過程裡面我們如何能夠再做更多的準備這部分也要麻煩大家來幫忙或者是署裡面或者是部裡面來幫忙\n那不過在這個不幸的事件裡面很多的醫療機構啊一開始醫療人員好像也受到一點誤解那幸好後面很快就可以讓社會民眾還有這些病患家屬知道所有的醫療機構都是很用心的在照顧我們民眾的健康這種突發事件雖然我們不樂見可是至少我們都善盡了這些醫療的責任那今年也開始實施了這個\n醫療事故預防跟正義的處理法所以不管事前的這個事故的預防事後的這些關懷溝通跟正義的調解都很希望衛福部這邊能夠更主動的來協助不管是在民眾端、社會端或是醫療端都能夠得到更大的協助跟關懷那這部分部長將來能不能夠以這樣的態度跟方式來處理\n目前醫療事故爭議的預防及處理法已經開始上路了有關這一類的爭議的話我們就會有一個比較和緩的分階段處理的一些機制\n讓他減低不管是醫病雙方哪一方他的一些負擔這個是這個法的一個重點但是以今天的這個案子有一個食物中毒的案子\n變成說這一個被害人要去告醫院這本來就是一個非常奇怪的一個行為但是後來我們的了解當事人也出來澄清了根本沒這回事是媒體的錯誤的報導所以理論上來講媒體有這樣錯誤報導應該出來道歉跟社會道歉因為這個會影響很大\n對於醫療人員的傷害以及是否會造成所謂的防衛性醫療造成對其他病人的損害這個都有可能的所以我是希望說媒體如果說報導不實的話應該出來道歉澄清\n我們也期待大家可以更用包容可是在追求事實的過程裡面有更好的這個可能性那我們也知道這個食品檢驗基金是未來可以提供這個標準品統一採購的可能性那這部分不知道目前有沒有進度\n所謂的食安檢驗基金的如何用、怎麼樣來用、錢從哪邊來這個都還在規劃當中那初步的話是可能從食安基金的部分來增加它的用途這個方向去走但是實際上要怎麼樣來\n臺灣菸酒\n以前都非常好都沒有發生過所以我們就不會去準備這些標準品那如果臨近國家也曾經有發生過的話我們基本上希望能夠盡快的把這些標準品能夠準備好但有任何問題的時候我們就可以啟動相關的宣言我跟各位報告這一個標準品的準備那是沒有極限的以現在食藥署有7000多個標準品在\n他的那個等於說行路裡面大概2萬多個啦但是那個還是有可能不足那什麼樣需要去準備標準品這個不是像說在打電動這樣把你擠下去你就造出來不是這樣因為有一些標準品的話你要去訂了他才會開始製造\n國際的這些廠商他也沒有配合好大單要賣離的因為太少用的就是這個樣子所以這個是有一點點複雜的問題但是如果經常可以用得到的話我們大概都已經準備了\n了解因為現在全球流通疫情以後事實上是越來越頻繁那如果鄰近國家曾經有一些可能或者曾經發生過的部分我們就盡量來準備這部分就麻煩部裡面可以努力的來處理\n那到底發生的這些中毒的物質啊或者是這些食品的判斷標準一直都是會讓民眾迷惑包括說這次的小林製藥的紅麴那到底是什麼樣的菌那是什麼樣的毒素\n或者是有其他的相關的可能性也好或者是米酵菌栓到底很多這個對民眾教育來講其實剛好這是一個機會教育讓民眾對於他的生活在他飲食可以更為了解那對於以前我們所學習到的這些微生物對人體的影響\n致病菌的問題這個部分也麻煩部裡面署裡面可以有更多的民眾教育來加強這方面讓民眾對於自己身體健康的安全的了解這部分的話其實從最近這兩件包括小林紅麴的這一個到現在還不知道到底是什麼東西引起來的到寶林茶室的這一個米酵菌酸這也是我們第一次接觸到的\n我們都可以看得到這食安的問題是在演變當中有很多可能未來會有很多這種過去從來沒有碰到的會跑出來這種問題會跑出來那這個就跟傳染病新興傳染病一樣\n過去沒有的這些微生物現在又逐漸的也許氣候變遷還是怎麼樣等等的關係就逐漸跑出來再加上國際間的一個平衡的交流所以老實講這個有它的共同點也就是說我們越來在預防上面是越來越困難但是我們必須要建立我們的韌性\n重點是一旦有這種新興的案件出來的話能夠很迅速的去發現它的原因然後去做處理才能夠說以後有這種預防的措施出來\n是的確我想民眾透過這次的整個慘痛的過程也會知道到底未來要注意什麼事情不過我們看到這個在網頁上有細菌性食品中毒相關的一些說明那不知道這次米酵菌栓的說明已經登錄上去了嗎\n我們現在正在簽我們會把它加進來OK 這個應該盡速了因為都已經經過一兩個禮拜相信大家很清楚那對於將來的醫療機構要做判定也好對民眾來講應該都是非常重要的一個訊息那我們真的很希望民眾不要恐慌\n因為政府把關之下其實一開始會有一些狀況不過相對來講透過這樣的這些過程民眾也應該要有好的正確的判斷避免自己的生活陷入一個恐慌當中那這個當然是很希望大家共同來努力那食安問題政府應該可以更主動的來做一些部分的加強比如說以小林這個製藥紅麴事件來看的話我們在\n3月27號的時候是有國內預防性下架121件可是到了3月29號兩天以後就增加到200多件意思就是說除了我們讓業者能夠主動的通報下架以外其實我們主管機關這邊應該主動的聯繫業者下架這變成是一個雙向\n其實我們一開始就主動聯繫進口提供的這些下游廠商他們所製造出來的產品我們就主動通知他們下架那現在是還在把這個產品再分給其他的廠商做出來更刺激的產品的這部分的話\n王正旭委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.427 --> 00:13.809\n謝謝主席有請薛部長好請薛部長\n\n00:18.550 --> 00:33.968\n委員好部長好真的是辛苦不過我想發生這個事情大家心情還是非常沉重而且也希望能夠得到儘速的改善那我們也知道其實很多的檢驗標準品有時候\n\n00:36.831 --> 00:57.149\n從來沒有發生過我們就很難去做好準備那這一次真的非常感謝這個基督教彰化基督教醫院的即時協助因為幸好他們在早年有準備了這個標準品讓我們在第一時間安定民心讓我們知道透過這樣的即時的檢驗可以確定\n\n00:59.030 --> 01:20.905\n應該是可以確定目前這個米酵菌酸的確是引起這次重大事件的一個影響那這部分除了我們要特別感謝這個彰化基督教育院以外那未來在這個過程裡面我們如何能夠再做更多的準備這部分也要麻煩大家來幫忙或者是署裡面或者是部裡面來幫忙\n\n01:21.886 --> 01:47.639\n那不過在這個不幸的事件裡面很多的醫療機構啊一開始醫療人員好像也受到一點誤解那幸好後面很快就可以讓社會民眾還有這些病患家屬知道所有的醫療機構都是很用心的在照顧我們民眾的健康這種突發事件雖然我們不樂見可是至少我們都善盡了這些醫療的責任那今年也開始實施了這個\n\n01:48.779 --> 02:13.180\n醫療事故預防跟正義的處理法所以不管事前的這個事故的預防事後的這些關懷溝通跟正義的調解都很希望衛福部這邊能夠更主動的來協助不管是在民眾端、社會端或是醫療端都能夠得到更大的協助跟關懷那這部分部長將來能不能夠以這樣的態度跟方式來處理\n\n02:15.105 --> 02:30.176\n目前醫療事故爭議的預防及處理法已經開始上路了有關這一類的爭議的話我們就會有一個比較和緩的分階段處理的一些機制\n\n02:30.996 --> 02:50.854\n讓他減低不管是醫病雙方哪一方他的一些負擔這個是這個法的一個重點但是以今天的這個案子有一個食物中毒的案子\n\n02:52.595 --> 03:16.069\n變成說這一個被害人要去告醫院這本來就是一個非常奇怪的一個行為但是後來我們的了解當事人也出來澄清了根本沒這回事是媒體的錯誤的報導所以理論上來講媒體有這樣錯誤報導應該出來道歉跟社會道歉因為這個會影響很大\n\n03:18.190 --> 03:37.241\n對於醫療人員的傷害以及是否會造成所謂的防衛性醫療造成對其他病人的損害這個都有可能的所以我是希望說媒體如果說報導不實的話應該出來道歉澄清\n\n03:38.101 --> 03:55.577\n我們也期待大家可以更用包容可是在追求事實的過程裡面有更好的這個可能性那我們也知道這個食品檢驗基金是未來可以提供這個標準品統一採購的可能性那這部分不知道目前有沒有進度\n\n03:57.238 --> 04:18.424\n所謂的食安檢驗基金的如何用、怎麼樣來用、錢從哪邊來這個都還在規劃當中那初步的話是可能從食安基金的部分來增加它的用途這個方向去走但是實際上要怎麼樣來\n\n04:19.844 --> 04:19.864\n臺灣菸酒\n\n04:40.669 --> 05:07.890\n以前都非常好都沒有發生過所以我們就不會去準備這些標準品那如果臨近國家也曾經有發生過的話我們基本上希望能夠盡快的把這些標準品能夠準備好但有任何問題的時候我們就可以啟動相關的宣言我跟各位報告這一個標準品的準備那是沒有極限的以現在食藥署有7000多個標準品在\n\n05:10.370 --> 05:30.253\n他的那個等於說行路裡面大概2萬多個啦但是那個還是有可能不足那什麼樣需要去準備標準品這個不是像說在打電動這樣把你擠下去你就造出來不是這樣因為有一些標準品的話你要去訂了他才會開始製造\n\n05:32.094 --> 05:47.202\n國際的這些廠商他也沒有配合好大單要賣離的因為太少用的就是這個樣子所以這個是有一點點複雜的問題但是如果經常可以用得到的話我們大概都已經準備了\n\n05:48.543 --> 06:04.251\n了解因為現在全球流通疫情以後事實上是越來越頻繁那如果鄰近國家曾經有一些可能或者曾經發生過的部分我們就盡量來準備這部分就麻煩部裡面可以努力的來處理\n\n06:05.592 --> 06:21.989\n那到底發生的這些中毒的物質啊或者是這些食品的判斷標準一直都是會讓民眾迷惑包括說這次的小林製藥的紅麴那到底是什麼樣的菌那是什麼樣的毒素\n\n06:22.629 --> 06:42.123\n或者是有其他的相關的可能性也好或者是米酵菌栓到底很多這個對民眾教育來講其實剛好這是一個機會教育讓民眾對於他的生活在他飲食可以更為了解那對於以前我們所學習到的這些微生物對人體的影響\n\n06:42.984 --> 07:10.637\n致病菌的問題這個部分也麻煩部裡面署裡面可以有更多的民眾教育來加強這方面讓民眾對於自己身體健康的安全的了解這部分的話其實從最近這兩件包括小林紅麴的這一個到現在還不知道到底是什麼東西引起來的到寶林茶室的這一個米酵菌酸這也是我們第一次接觸到的\n\n07:11.818 --> 07:25.954\n我們都可以看得到這食安的問題是在演變當中有很多可能未來會有很多這種過去從來沒有碰到的會跑出來這種問題會跑出來那這個就跟傳染病新興傳染病一樣\n\n07:30.999 --> 07:56.619\n過去沒有的這些微生物現在又逐漸的也許氣候變遷還是怎麼樣等等的關係就逐漸跑出來再加上國際間的一個平衡的交流所以老實講這個有它的共同點也就是說我們越來在預防上面是越來越困難但是我們必須要建立我們的韌性\n\n07:58.584 --> 08:13.795\n重點是一旦有這種新興的案件出來的話能夠很迅速的去發現它的原因然後去做處理才能夠說以後有這種預防的措施出來\n\n08:14.375 --> 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