{"id":150767,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150767","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c01bafd34607ab251af7510a295be7434bf8ba9b0039caa7a66c5db8da8e21e8885ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"徐欣瑩","委員發言時間":"11:20:59 - 11:32:19","影片長度":"00:11:20","會議時間":"2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra 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00:00:03,559\n主席好本席請移將主委請移將主委\n\n2\n00:00:11,804 --> 00:00:37,474\n主委好首先本席想說明今天本席有五個提案五個臨時提案那希望主委這裡能夠全力的來為我們原住民朋友來努力首先第一個我們希望能夠請原民會能夠全面來盤點檢討我們全台各部落殯葬\n\n3\n00:00:38,574 --> 00:00:59,250\n這個需求和公募用地協調政府相關單位來爭取撥用公有地為公募用地修正相關的法規來應各部落殯葬的需求本席說明一下我們今天這五個提案因為我們新竹縣也有兩個原住民的鄉鎮\n\n4\n00:01:01,812 --> 00:01:21,525\n我們都是依據我們原住民朋友我們的鄉親提出來的需求我特別在這裡提出那也非常感謝我們高金召委今天能夠排這樣的一個會議那第二個就是我們希望能夠徹底盤點我們全台無法供應自來水的部落\n\n5\n00:01:22,485 --> 00:01:46,876\n用戶、數以及他的問題所在我們希望能夠現期提出解決方案當然這個剛剛有提到就是說要會同經濟部本席是認同的這個文字做個修改那合一來共同管理的機制修建簡易自來水設施農業用水申請登記水權用地等等我們希望這個\n\n6\n00:01:48,277 --> 00:02:12,107\n原住民族自來水的部分也能夠逐步加強再來就是有關原住民部落農業的改革實踐與山為伍、以山為師近山的精神我們緊扣三生資源永續平衡發展以達人與自然環境和諧共存為目標這是第三個\n\n7\n00:02:12,927 --> 00:02:27,525\n第四個我們也希望能夠盤點我們各部落的醫療資源還有無障礙通行、治安等需求來落實部落整體的發展以及基本生活的權益這第四個\n\n8\n00:02:28,386 --> 00:02:51,403\n第五個就是希望能夠落實這個實農教育和農事體驗的結合融入鄉內國中小學校訂課程來增進部落孩子們跨領域的能力來培養農事耕作以及管理能力並且對我們偏鄉部落的央廚衛生安全和品質\n\n9\n00:02:52,163 --> 00:03:11,370\n特別予以注意請問主委可以嗎徐委員很謝謝你雖然不是原住民選出來的委員因為你那個服務地區剛好有兩個原鄉提出這麼寶貴的這個提案我想只要可情的我們都會全力來落實給人的提案\n\n10\n00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:29,109\n太好了那接著本席想要請教主委有關我們這個原住民學校法的立法原住民族學校法的立法目前好像都沒有確立這個主管機關\n\n11\n00:03:30,908 --> 00:04:00,628\n那如果沒有主管機關我們這個原住民族學校法呢就沒有一個主管機關來訂定法律然後也沒有法源的依據所以現在我們有實施這個原住民學校的實驗教育已經實施8年了那還有4年你們有要12年的實驗教育嘛所以這個目前實驗學校推動的情況如何\n\n12\n00:04:02,249 --> 00:04:27,971\n目前大部分大概最久的已經推到8年沒有說但是有的是才推動兩年三年的部分我們有一些相關的成果您覺得成效如何當然是成效是一定有的因為它對原住民的文化傳承包括語言的傳承都有很大的幫助包括原住民的傳統知識的傳承都有很大的幫助\n\n13\n00:04:28,972 --> 00:04:49,253\n我們也看到我們原住民朋友我們希望在這個實驗學校能夠幫助我們原住民朋友的適性的發展因為我們看到原住民朋友在這個唱歌舞蹈甚至體育方面都有非常非常過人傑出的表現\n\n14\n00:04:50,134 --> 00:05:18,228\n那代表我們臺灣呢參加這個世界級的比賽可以說真的的臺灣之光所以我們希望在這個原住民學校實驗學校的部分我們能夠加強這個適性的發展同時提供給他們足夠的資源這個部分主委您是不是有在落實或是您有沒有什麼比較自豪的做法在這一方面這部分跟委員報告我們在\n\n15\n00:05:19,606 --> 00:05:34,339\n原住民的教育裡面我們跟教育部有很好的分工就是一般教育的部分就是國民教育的部分是教育部來主政那民主教育的部分呢就是由原民會協同教育部在學校端來做落實\n\n16\n00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:50,653\n這個部分不管是在體育在業務或是在文化跟各個方面的整個人才培育我們都會跟教育部一起來共同合作來做達成除了這個適性發展之外本席看到您今天的報告裡面有寫到\n\n17\n00:05:51,934 --> 00:06:14,978\n我們在台中的實驗學校他們的學習成果包含他們的一些數理方面的成果我看到你們寫說它平均還高於我們台中市甚至全國的標準這點本席看了覺得你們的成果非常的好這個部分你是不是也可以跟大家來說明一下\n\n18\n00:06:15,678 --> 00:06:30,215\n對的確以剛開始對於實驗學校家長本來還有很多餘力但是剛剛委員提到臺中博馬國小那個部分那個比利亞部校長他們推廣了一段時間以後他們做統計原來不會因為實驗學校讓他們的數學\n\n19\n00:06:34,119 --> 00:06:34,459\n新竹縣有5所實驗學校\n\n20\n00:06:55,256 --> 00:07:22,531\n那這五所本席有稍微去了解一下是不是在這個新竹縣的部分可以加強這一塊因為本席聽到的是在新竹縣的部分可能適性發展歌唱舞蹈的比例非常的高但是他們在一些基本的學科的部分是不是也不要偏廢這一塊本席特別提出來希望這個主委你們這裡在實施的時候也能夠特別注意\n\n21\n00:07:23,711 --> 00:07:38,427\n那再來本席也想提一下都市原住民的議題從我們到去年以及去年底的人口統計我們現在都市原住民的人數已經達到所有原住民人口應該有\n\n22\n00:07:39,508 --> 00:07:55,886\n一半以上所以都市原住民的權益我們也希望主委這裡能夠來為我們原住民都市原住民來加強首先第一個是保障他的居住權的部分那像現在很多縣市都有在\n\n23\n00:07:57,067 --> 00:08:12,783\n辦理這個社會住宅的部分?我不知道原民會這裡為我們都市原住民的這個爭取他爭取以及保障他居住權的部分您覺得績效如何?還有你們有什麼具體的的做法?\n\n24\n00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:32,348\n我們社會住宅跟內政部的整個分工裡面都有充分的合作你跟內政部分工真的就不用講你針對這一塊你的績效怎麼樣目前像我們進駐到社會住宅的這個家戶有9000多戶\n\n25\n00:08:33,448 --> 00:08:55,651\n所以都陸續有在協助就對,包含利息的補貼租金補貼這一塊你們都有在協助我們原住民朋友對我們做分工就是利息補貼是內政部但是建構的就是房子要修繕或者是要買房子的這個部分的補助是原民會來做補助我們都有這樣的一個分工\n\n26\n00:08:55,831 --> 00:09:14,972\n那除了居住權以外我們都市原住民很重要的就是剛剛我們很多委員都提到就是他們的就業職能發展以及生涯規劃的部分那他們的工作的部分我們是不是在這個都市原住民這個部分能夠做更多相關的一個輔導這一塊\n\n27\n00:09:16,974 --> 00:09:32,645\n所以委員也特別拜託委員我們現在我們一直有一個工作前保障法原住民的部分已經很多年沒有修了請您簡達好不好因為我時間已經快沒了對這個工作前保障法修了以後就解決了很多原住民就業的問題\n\n28\n00:09:33,766 --> 00:09:56,921\n這就是我們姐姐的方案這就是希望大家來支持嘛那最後本席問的最後一個問題就是有關原住民族自治的模式主委您看究竟要不要推動立法你的態度是要推不推就這樣簡達就好我剩下30秒我是主張採取分流立法來推比較可能有進度\n\n29\n00:09:58,145 --> 00:10:14,817\n對,所以您覺得可以持續推動但是用分流立法的方式嗎?對,而且按照各個族群的需求來分流立法更可行因為每個族群的需求會不太一樣那但是現在\n\n30\n00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:34,991\n目前好像只限於太魯閣、魯凱、亞美、卑南等族的討論,那其他族呢?我們都樂意提供相關的補助,讓其他族也一起來建構他們實際需要的,比如說像委員跟地方。那你分流立法你覺得什麼時候才能完成呢?\n\n31\n00:10:36,192 --> 00:10:57,759\n如果該族群已經達成共識的我們就可以把相關的法案提出來那像這個部分有跟行政院以及各部會溝通它的可能性、可行性還有其成嗎我們就是希望炒分流立法以後才會有這樣一個補助下行那有沒有規劃其成就是由下而上達到那個自治的目標才可行\n\n32\n00:10:58,459 --> 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目前像我們進駐到社會住宅的這個家戶有9000多戶\n所以都陸續有在協助就對,包含利息的補貼租金補貼這一塊你們都有在協助我們原住民朋友對我們做分工就是利息補貼是內政部但是建構的就是房子要修繕或者是要買房子的這個部分的補助是原民會來做補助我們都有這樣的一個分工\n那除了居住權以外我們都市原住民很重要的就是剛剛我們很多委員都提到就是他們的就業職能發展以及生涯規劃的部分那他們的工作的部分我們是不是在這個都市原住民這個部分能夠做更多相關的一個輔導這一塊\n所以委員也特別拜託委員我們現在我們一直有一個工作前保障法原住民的部分已經很多年沒有修了請您簡達好不好因為我時間已經快沒了對這個工作前保障法修了以後就解決了很多原住民就業的問題\n這就是我們姐姐的方案這就是希望大家來支持嘛那最後本席問的最後一個問題就是有關原住民族自治的模式主委您看究竟要不要推動立法你的態度是要推不推就這樣簡達就好我剩下30秒我是主張採取分流立法來推比較可能有進度\n對,所以您覺得可以持續推動但是用分流立法的方式嗎?對,而且按照各個族群的需求來分流立法更可行因為每個族群的需求會不太一樣那但是現在\n目前好像只限於太魯閣、魯凱、亞美、卑南等族的討論,那其他族呢?我們都樂意提供相關的補助,讓其他族也一起來建構他們實際需要的,比如說像委員跟地方。那你分流立法你覺得什麼時候才能完成呢?\n如果該族群已經達成共識的我們就可以把相關的法案提出來那像這個部分有跟行政院以及各部會溝通它的可能性、可行性還有其成嗎我們就是希望炒分流立法以後才會有這樣一個補助下行那有沒有規劃其成就是由下而上達到那個自治的目標才可行\n於將主委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.711 --> 00:03.559\n主席好本席請移將主委請移將主委\n\n00:11.804 --> 00:37.474\n主委好首先本席想說明今天本席有五個提案五個臨時提案那希望主委這裡能夠全力的來為我們原住民朋友來努力首先第一個我們希望能夠請原民會能夠全面來盤點檢討我們全台各部落殯葬\n\n00:38.574 --> 00:59.250\n這個需求和公募用地協調政府相關單位來爭取撥用公有地為公募用地修正相關的法規來應各部落殯葬的需求本席說明一下我們今天這五個提案因為我們新竹縣也有兩個原住民的鄉鎮\n\n01:01.812 --> 01:21.525\n我們都是依據我們原住民朋友我們的鄉親提出來的需求我特別在這裡提出那也非常感謝我們高金召委今天能夠排這樣的一個會議那第二個就是我們希望能夠徹底盤點我們全台無法供應自來水的部落\n\n01:22.485 --> 01:46.876\n用戶、數以及他的問題所在我們希望能夠現期提出解決方案當然這個剛剛有提到就是說要會同經濟部本席是認同的這個文字做個修改那合一來共同管理的機制修建簡易自來水設施農業用水申請登記水權用地等等我們希望這個\n\n01:48.277 --> 02:12.107\n原住民族自來水的部分也能夠逐步加強再來就是有關原住民部落農業的改革實踐與山為伍、以山為師近山的精神我們緊扣三生資源永續平衡發展以達人與自然環境和諧共存為目標這是第三個\n\n02:12.927 --> 02:27.525\n第四個我們也希望能夠盤點我們各部落的醫療資源還有無障礙通行、治安等需求來落實部落整體的發展以及基本生活的權益這第四個\n\n02:28.386 --> 02:51.403\n第五個就是希望能夠落實這個實農教育和農事體驗的結合融入鄉內國中小學校訂課程來增進部落孩子們跨領域的能力來培養農事耕作以及管理能力並且對我們偏鄉部落的央廚衛生安全和品質\n\n02:52.163 --> 03:11.370\n特別予以注意請問主委可以嗎徐委員很謝謝你雖然不是原住民選出來的委員因為你那個服務地區剛好有兩個原鄉提出這麼寶貴的這個提案我想只要可情的我們都會全力來落實給人的提案\n\n03:11.670 --> 03:29.109\n太好了那接著本席想要請教主委有關我們這個原住民學校法的立法原住民族學校法的立法目前好像都沒有確立這個主管機關\n\n03:30.908 --> 04:00.628\n那如果沒有主管機關我們這個原住民族學校法呢就沒有一個主管機關來訂定法律然後也沒有法源的依據所以現在我們有實施這個原住民學校的實驗教育已經實施8年了那還有4年你們有要12年的實驗教育嘛所以這個目前實驗學校推動的情況如何\n\n04:02.249 --> 04:27.971\n目前大部分大概最久的已經推到8年沒有說但是有的是才推動兩年三年的部分我們有一些相關的成果您覺得成效如何當然是成效是一定有的因為它對原住民的文化傳承包括語言的傳承都有很大的幫助包括原住民的傳統知識的傳承都有很大的幫助\n\n04:28.972 --> 04:49.253\n我們也看到我們原住民朋友我們希望在這個實驗學校能夠幫助我們原住民朋友的適性的發展因為我們看到原住民朋友在這個唱歌舞蹈甚至體育方面都有非常非常過人傑出的表現\n\n04:50.134 --> 05:18.228\n那代表我們臺灣呢參加這個世界級的比賽可以說真的的臺灣之光所以我們希望在這個原住民學校實驗學校的部分我們能夠加強這個適性的發展同時提供給他們足夠的資源這個部分主委您是不是有在落實或是您有沒有什麼比較自豪的做法在這一方面這部分跟委員報告我們在\n\n05:19.606 --> 05:34.339\n原住民的教育裡面我們跟教育部有很好的分工就是一般教育的部分就是國民教育的部分是教育部來主政那民主教育的部分呢就是由原民會協同教育部在學校端來做落實\n\n05:35.420 --> 05:50.653\n這個部分不管是在體育在業務或是在文化跟各個方面的整個人才培育我們都會跟教育部一起來共同合作來做達成除了這個適性發展之外本席看到您今天的報告裡面有寫到\n\n05:51.934 --> 06:14.978\n我們在台中的實驗學校他們的學習成果包含他們的一些數理方面的成果我看到你們寫說它平均還高於我們台中市甚至全國的標準這點本席看了覺得你們的成果非常的好這個部分你是不是也可以跟大家來說明一下\n\n06:15.678 --> 06:30.215\n對的確以剛開始對於實驗學校家長本來還有很多餘力但是剛剛委員提到臺中博馬國小那個部分那個比利亞部校長他們推廣了一段時間以後他們做統計原來不會因為實驗學校讓他們的數學\n\n06:34.119 --> 06:34.459\n新竹縣有5所實驗學校\n\n06:55.256 --> 07:22.531\n那這五所本席有稍微去了解一下是不是在這個新竹縣的部分可以加強這一塊因為本席聽到的是在新竹縣的部分可能適性發展歌唱舞蹈的比例非常的高但是他們在一些基本的學科的部分是不是也不要偏廢這一塊本席特別提出來希望這個主委你們這裡在實施的時候也能夠特別注意\n\n07:23.711 --> 07:38.427\n那再來本席也想提一下都市原住民的議題從我們到去年以及去年底的人口統計我們現在都市原住民的人數已經達到所有原住民人口應該有\n\n07:39.508 --> 07:55.886\n一半以上所以都市原住民的權益我們也希望主委這裡能夠來為我們原住民都市原住民來加強首先第一個是保障他的居住權的部分那像現在很多縣市都有在\n\n07:57.067 --> 08:12.783\n辦理這個社會住宅的部分?我不知道原民會這裡為我們都市原住民的這個爭取他爭取以及保障他居住權的部分您覺得績效如何?還有你們有什麼具體的的做法?\n\n08:14.880 --> 08:32.348\n我們社會住宅跟內政部的整個分工裡面都有充分的合作你跟內政部分工真的就不用講你針對這一塊你的績效怎麼樣目前像我們進駐到社會住宅的這個家戶有9000多戶\n\n08:33.448 --> 08:55.651\n所以都陸續有在協助就對,包含利息的補貼租金補貼這一塊你們都有在協助我們原住民朋友對我們做分工就是利息補貼是內政部但是建構的就是房子要修繕或者是要買房子的這個部分的補助是原民會來做補助我們都有這樣的一個分工\n\n08:55.831 --> 09:14.972\n那除了居住權以外我們都市原住民很重要的就是剛剛我們很多委員都提到就是他們的就業職能發展以及生涯規劃的部分那他們的工作的部分我們是不是在這個都市原住民這個部分能夠做更多相關的一個輔導這一塊\n\n09:16.974 --> 09:32.645\n所以委員也特別拜託委員我們現在我們一直有一個工作前保障法原住民的部分已經很多年沒有修了請您簡達好不好因為我時間已經快沒了對這個工作前保障法修了以後就解決了很多原住民就業的問題\n\n09:33.766 --> 09:56.921\n這就是我們姐姐的方案這就是希望大家來支持嘛那最後本席問的最後一個問題就是有關原住民族自治的模式主委您看究竟要不要推動立法你的態度是要推不推就這樣簡達就好我剩下30秒我是主張採取分流立法來推比較可能有進度\n\n09:58.145 --> 10:14.817\n對,所以您覺得可以持續推動但是用分流立法的方式嗎?對,而且按照各個族群的需求來分流立法更可行因為每個族群的需求會不太一樣那但是現在\n\n10:16.380 --> 10:34.991\n目前好像只限於太魯閣、魯凱、亞美、卑南等族的討論,那其他族呢?我們都樂意提供相關的補助,讓其他族也一起來建構他們實際需要的,比如說像委員跟地方。那你分流立法你覺得什麼時候才能完成呢?\n\n10:36.192 --> 10:57.759\n如果該族群已經達成共識的我們就可以把相關的法案提出來那像這個部分有跟行政院以及各部會溝通它的可能性、可行性還有其成嗎我們就是希望炒分流立法以後才會有這樣一個補助下行那有沒有規劃其成就是由下而上達到那個自治的目標才可行\n\n10:58.459 --> 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