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{\"word\": \"趙\"}, {\"word\": \"偉\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:03,404 --> 00:00:06,885\n好謝謝趙偉麻煩邀請我們部長請部長廖委好好部長好這個今天這個訊息準備喔就加油啦我這個有另外的問題想要請教部長有關我們台灣這個也跟交通跟科技一個問題啦我們我過去擔任議員的時候我們交通部都有補助一些自駕的一些巴士嘛對不對\n\n2\n00:00:30,535 --> 00:00:53,173\n但去年有一個消息這個新聞是經濟部主導的一個案子經濟部有主導就是一個科技研發就是自駕的部分然後把產業輸出到澳洲然後在澳洲的高速公路來實行這個自駕的技術那不曉得我們交通部對於這樣子的一個消息你們有瞭解嗎\n\n3\n00:00:58,106 --> 00:01:15,123\n跟委員報告一下,剛剛講的說那個技術輸出到澳洲這個部分,我們是沒有這個掌握你又沒有掌握是不是臺大團隊那個嗎?應該是經濟部輔導,應該是工研院就是說我們目前交通部是在自駕在我們自衛運輸這一塊\n\n4\n00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:43,634\n市長我們輔導過相當多的團隊在比如說現在這個淡海淡海淡海有在跑像過去在這個臺中高雄都有類似這個自駕車我們公務總局在這個西濱也有類似的計畫但是的確產業的輔導這一塊是在經濟部但是我們是做就是所謂的這個從POC開始的一些到POV的這個這個是我們在做但是產業的輔導會在這個經濟部這一部\n\n5\n00:01:46,055 --> 00:02:09,001\n好沒關係這個會後當然交通部可以去了解一下當然今天還有時間我們也可以先來討論一下因為在自駕這部分自駕應該會分兩個部分的需求因為一個部分是載人一個是載貨當然都是自駕的技術但是會主要分成這兩項那我們交通部目前都是主導主要發展載人這一個部分載貨這部分比較少著墨\n\n6\n00:02:09,741 --> 00:02:19,547\n那但是其實載人的門檻來說相對比較高無論是安全性的要求或是跟乘客的一些溝通解決乘客的需求其實在\n\n7\n00:02:20,731 --> 00:02:41,513\n公車自駕之間上面的門檻是比較高一點反而是在貨運上面的一個自駕的需求相對會比較低一些因為他不用處理人的問題他處理交通安全的問題就好了那因為其實我們如果說部長平常我在國一上班時間經過的時候會發現尤其在台北段我相信全台灣各個路段都會一樣\n\n8\n00:02:42,974 --> 00:03:03,382\n我們的連結車所佔的比例是相當高的嘛相當高的然後又跟我們的上班族通行在一起的時候就變成說交通都非常的擁捨那如果說我們不知道我們的高中局有沒有曾經討論過也讓我們的高速公路引進這個自駕的一個系統\n\n9\n00:03:05,221 --> 00:03:30,212\n我瞭解是這樣就是說的確因為交通部以公共運輸為先所以我們用巴士來當作我們這個從研發一直到上路的這個這個過程那目前在貨物部分像我們的我們貨物反而是在那個封閉室比如說由這個郵政的倉儲管理裡面他也類似在在這個在在比如說在這個檢貨的時候會類似用這種方式來處理\n\n10\n00:03:34,053 --> 00:03:46,106\n那的確目前交通部是沒有針對這個後車但是未來就是說自駕車的社會是全世界都在跑所以我想說應該是從忍到後這邊\n\n11\n00:03:50,832 --> 00:04:12,893\n這個應該也是都未來的一個因為我是一定是正面看待這件事情那我今天才會來跟我們交通部來討論因為我們的技術既然都已經輸出到國外去了那我代表這個東西我們國內應該也是應該先持一個比較開放性的態度來做一些討論尤其現在運輸業部長也知道缺司機缺的非常嚴重嘛\n\n12\n00:04:13,453 --> 00:04:36,316\n那包括如果說我們可以在不同的時段用自駕的技術讓這些貨車不要避免在這個交通尖峰的時刻在路上跑我們盡量讓他自駕的時間自駕因為他人力少嘛他也可以可能一個人可以一開始從一台兩台三台一定是慢慢這樣加上去在離峰的時段運用我們高速公路路權然後把我們尖峰時段的\n\n13\n00:04:37,056 --> 00:04:39,478\n自駕方面的安全性一定比人駕還來得高\n\n14\n00:05:03,935 --> 00:05:07,817\n我們現在有一個從113到119的電動公車的一個計畫補助計畫其中有一項如果你有自駕的這些補助我們會再增加一些補助有那個自駕的設備我們會增加補助\n\n15\n00:05:27,008 --> 00:05:43,061\n所以我當時在他們寫這個計畫我特別跟他們講說應該把這些先進未來導向自駕的東西放在補助計畫一塊這意思是說所有的縣市政府或客運工在申請的時候他也會有個力量是往這個自駕方面來發展\n\n16\n00:05:43,982 --> 00:06:12,594\n那委員所提到的貨運的確我們交通部還是以這個安全冷為主那我想到這部分可能後面我們會從沙盒開始POC開始我們來處理是所以我們應該先第一步應該後續如果說部長持開放的態度的話那應該第一步我們應該先跟經濟部來瞭解一下他們輔導的一個技術在基本上的成熟程度那以及在澳洲到底上路了沒那他這個可能在事情的這段期間他的成效怎麼樣\n\n17\n00:06:14,375 --> 00:06:40,251\n第二部分當然就是因為現在台灣國內的運輸業者原則上都還是民間所以說後續可能也是要輔導如果說前面經濟部在國外的示範推廣是可行的那要引進國內的話那可能會遇到哪些問題這可能也會需要有一些短中長期的計畫一部分是高速公路的一些硬體的設備的建置因為他可能需要很多的一些相關的為了提升安全他需要很多一些通訊或者是攝影的設備\n\n18\n00:06:41,112 --> 00:06:42,393\n我們現在有交通部有一個做了很多應該109開始的實驗場域在淡海\n\n19\n00:07:06,332 --> 00:07:22,971\n那是我們跟新北合作的所以它裡面就是所謂V2X的部分也做得很完整所以它可以比如說自駕車或自駕貨車事實上都可以做測試所以剛才談到有一些從沙爾開始的部分我們這個場域是足夠的\n\n20\n00:07:23,591 --> 00:07:40,314\n既然我們台灣有這麼好的一個技術可以輸出到國內那我請我們交通部後續來繼續來推動這個計畫看看是不是能夠在多少的時間內可以有一個短中長期的一個計畫或者說至少有一個可行性評估之類的來做一個瞭解這樣子做後車的部分是不是後車的部分\n\n21\n00:07:41,314 --> 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這個會後當然交通部可以去了解一下當然今天還有時間我們也可以先來討論一下因為在自駕這部分自駕應該會分兩個部分的需求因為一個部分是載人一個是載貨當然都是自駕的技術但是會主要分成這兩項那我們交通部目前都是主導主要發展載人這一個部分載貨這部分比較少著墨\n129741\t139547\t那但是其實載人的門檻來說相對比較高無論是安全性的要求或是跟乘客的一些溝通解決乘客的需求其實在\n140731\t161513\t公車自駕之間上面的門檻是比較高一點反而是在貨運上面的一個自駕的需求相對會比較低一些因為他不用處理人的問題他處理交通安全的問題就好了那因為其實我們如果說部長平常我在國一上班時間經過的時候會發現尤其在台北段我相信全台灣各個路段都會一樣\n162974\t183382\t我們的連結車所佔的比例是相當高的嘛相當高的然後又跟我們的上班族通行在一起的時候就變成說交通都非常的擁捨那如果說我們不知道我們的高中局有沒有曾經討論過也讓我們的高速公路引進這個自駕的一個系統\n185221\t210212\t我瞭解是這樣就是說的確因為交通部以公共運輸為先所以我們用巴士來當作我們這個從研發一直到上路的這個這個過程那目前在貨物部分像我們的我們貨物反而是在那個封閉室比如說由這個郵政的倉儲管理裡面他也類似在在這個在在比如說在這個檢貨的時候會類似用這種方式來處理\n214053\t226106\t那的確目前交通部是沒有針對這個後車但是未來就是說自駕車的社會是全世界都在跑所以我想說應該是從忍到後這邊\n230832\t252893\t這個應該也是都未來的一個因為我是一定是正面看待這件事情那我今天才會來跟我們交通部來討論因為我們的技術既然都已經輸出到國外去了那我代表這個東西我們國內應該也是應該先持一個比較開放性的態度來做一些討論尤其現在運輸業部長也知道缺司機缺的非常嚴重嘛\n253453\t276316\t那包括如果說我們可以在不同的時段用自駕的技術讓這些貨車不要避免在這個交通尖峰的時刻在路上跑我們盡量讓他自駕的時間自駕因為他人力少嘛他也可以可能一個人可以一開始從一台兩台三台一定是慢慢這樣加上去在離峰的時段運用我們高速公路路權然後把我們尖峰時段的\n277056\t279478\t自駕方面的安全性一定比人駕還來得高\n303935\t307817\t我們現在有一個從113到119的電動公車的一個計畫補助計畫其中有一項如果你有自駕的這些補助我們會再增加一些補助有那個自駕的設備我們會增加補助\n327008\t343061\t所以我當時在他們寫這個計畫我特別跟他們講說應該把這些先進未來導向自駕的東西放在補助計畫一塊這意思是說所有的縣市政府或客運工在申請的時候他也會有個力量是往這個自駕方面來發展\n343982\t372594\t那委員所提到的貨運的確我們交通部還是以這個安全冷為主那我想到這部分可能後面我們會從沙盒開始POC開始我們來處理是所以我們應該先第一步應該後續如果說部長持開放的態度的話那應該第一步我們應該先跟經濟部來瞭解一下他們輔導的一個技術在基本上的成熟程度那以及在澳洲到底上路了沒那他這個可能在事情的這段期間他的成效怎麼樣\n374375\t400251\t第二部分當然就是因為現在台灣國內的運輸業者原則上都還是民間所以說後續可能也是要輔導如果說前面經濟部在國外的示範推廣是可行的那要引進國內的話那可能會遇到哪些問題這可能也會需要有一些短中長期的計畫一部分是高速公路的一些硬體的設備的建置因為他可能需要很多的一些相關的為了提升安全他需要很多一些通訊或者是攝影的設備\n401112\t402393\t我們現在有交通部有一個做了很多應該109開始的實驗場域在淡海\n426332\t442971\t那是我們跟新北合作的所以它裡面就是所謂V2X的部分也做得很完整所以它可以比如說自駕車或自駕貨車事實上都可以做測試所以剛才談到有一些從沙爾開始的部分我們這個場域是足夠的\n443591\t460314\t既然我們台灣有這麼好的一個技術可以輸出到國內那我請我們交通部後續來繼續來推動這個計畫看看是不是能夠在多少的時間內可以有一個短中長期的一個計畫或者說至少有一個可行性評估之類的來做一個瞭解這樣子做後車的部分是不是後車的部分\n461314\t477064\t我再跟我們IT部門是不是我給我一點時間然後我給一個書面報告沒關係沒關係就是短期間內我們了解到什麼程度那未來可能怎麼可以怎麼樣來推動我們可以兩個禮拜給委員一個書面報告好那就謝謝部長感謝謝謝趙偉\n","txt":"好 謝謝趙偉 麻煩邀請我們部長請部長廖委好好 部長好 這個今天這個訊息準備喔 就加油啦我這個有另外的問題想要請教部長有關我們台灣這個也跟交通跟科技一個問題啦我們 我過去擔任議員的時候我們交通部都有補助一些自駕的一些巴士嘛 對不對\n但去年有一個消息這個新聞是經濟部主導的一個案子經濟部有主導就是一個科技研發就是自駕的部分然後把產業輸出到澳洲然後在澳洲的高速公路來實行這個自駕的技術那不曉得我們交通部對於這樣子的一個消息你們有瞭解嗎\n跟委員報告一下,剛剛講的說那個技術輸出到澳洲這個部分,我們是沒有這個掌握你又沒有掌握是不是臺大團隊那個嗎?應該是經濟部輔導,應該是工研院就是說我們目前交通部是在自駕在我們自衛運輸這一塊\n市長我們輔導過相當多的團隊在比如說現在這個淡海淡海淡海有在跑像過去在這個臺中高雄都有類似這個自駕車我們公務總局在這個西濱也有類似的計畫但是的確產業的輔導這一塊是在經濟部但是我們是做就是所謂的這個從POC開始的一些到POV的這個這個是我們在做但是產業的輔導會在這個經濟部這一部\n好 沒關係 這個會後當然交通部可以去了解一下當然今天還有時間我們也可以先來討論一下因為在自駕這部分自駕應該會分兩個部分的需求因為一個部分是載人一個是載貨當然都是自駕的技術但是會主要分成這兩項那我們交通部目前都是主導主要發展載人這一個部分載貨這部分比較少著墨\n那但是其實載人的門檻來說相對比較高無論是安全性的要求或是跟乘客的一些溝通解決乘客的需求其實在\n公車自駕之間上面的門檻是比較高一點反而是在貨運上面的一個自駕的需求相對會比較低一些因為他不用處理人的問題他處理交通安全的問題就好了那因為其實我們如果說部長平常我在國一上班時間經過的時候會發現尤其在台北段我相信全台灣各個路段都會一樣\n我們的連結車所佔的比例是相當高的嘛相當高的然後又跟我們的上班族通行在一起的時候就變成說交通都非常的擁捨那如果說我們不知道我們的高中局有沒有曾經討論過也讓我們的高速公路引進這個自駕的一個系統\n我瞭解是這樣就是說的確因為交通部以公共運輸為先所以我們用巴士來當作我們這個從研發一直到上路的這個這個過程那目前在貨物部分像我們的我們貨物反而是在那個封閉室比如說由這個郵政的倉儲管理裡面他也類似在在這個在在比如說在這個檢貨的時候會類似用這種方式來處理\n那的確目前交通部是沒有針對這個後車但是未來就是說自駕車的社會是全世界都在跑所以我想說應該是從忍到後這邊\n這個應該也是都未來的一個因為我是一定是正面看待這件事情那我今天才會來跟我們交通部來討論因為我們的技術既然都已經輸出到國外去了那我代表這個東西我們國內應該也是應該先持一個比較開放性的態度來做一些討論尤其現在運輸業部長也知道缺司機缺的非常嚴重嘛\n那包括如果說我們可以在不同的時段用自駕的技術讓這些貨車不要避免在這個交通尖峰的時刻在路上跑我們盡量讓他自駕的時間自駕因為他人力少嘛他也可以可能一個人可以一開始從一台兩台三台一定是慢慢這樣加上去在離峰的時段運用我們高速公路路權然後把我們尖峰時段的\n自駕方面的安全性一定比人駕還來得高\n我們現在有一個從113到119的電動公車的一個計畫補助計畫其中有一項如果你有自駕的這些補助我們會再增加一些補助有那個自駕的設備我們會增加補助\n所以我當時在他們寫這個計畫我特別跟他們講說應該把這些先進未來導向自駕的東西放在補助計畫一塊這意思是說所有的縣市政府或客運工在申請的時候他也會有個力量是往這個自駕方面來發展\n那委員所提到的貨運的確我們交通部還是以這個安全冷為主那我想到這部分可能後面我們會從沙盒開始POC開始我們來處理是所以我們應該先第一步應該後續如果說部長持開放的態度的話那應該第一步我們應該先跟經濟部來瞭解一下他們輔導的一個技術在基本上的成熟程度那以及在澳洲到底上路了沒那他這個可能在事情的這段期間他的成效怎麼樣\n第二部分當然就是因為現在台灣國內的運輸業者原則上都還是民間所以說後續可能也是要輔導如果說前面經濟部在國外的示範推廣是可行的那要引進國內的話那可能會遇到哪些問題這可能也會需要有一些短中長期的計畫一部分是高速公路的一些硬體的設備的建置因為他可能需要很多的一些相關的為了提升安全他需要很多一些通訊或者是攝影的設備\n我們現在有交通部有一個做了很多應該109開始的實驗場域在淡海\n那是我們跟新北合作的所以它裡面就是所謂V2X的部分也做得很完整所以它可以比如說自駕車或自駕貨車事實上都可以做測試所以剛才談到有一些從沙爾開始的部分我們這個場域是足夠的\n既然我們台灣有這麼好的一個技術可以輸出到國內那我請我們交通部後續來繼續來推動這個計畫看看是不是能夠在多少的時間內可以有一個短中長期的一個計畫或者說至少有一個可行性評估之類的來做一個瞭解這樣子做後車的部分是不是後車的部分\n我再跟我們IT部門是不是我給我一點時間然後我給一個書面報告沒關係沒關係就是短期間內我們了解到什麼程度那未來可能怎麼可以怎麼樣來推動我們可以兩個禮拜給委員一個書面報告好那就謝謝部長感謝謝謝趙偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.404 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03:03.382\n我們的連結車所佔的比例是相當高的嘛相當高的然後又跟我們的上班族通行在一起的時候就變成說交通都非常的擁捨那如果說我們不知道我們的高中局有沒有曾經討論過也讓我們的高速公路引進這個自駕的一個系統\n\n03:05.221 --> 03:30.212\n我瞭解是這樣就是說的確因為交通部以公共運輸為先所以我們用巴士來當作我們這個從研發一直到上路的這個這個過程那目前在貨物部分像我們的我們貨物反而是在那個封閉室比如說由這個郵政的倉儲管理裡面他也類似在在這個在在比如說在這個檢貨的時候會類似用這種方式來處理\n\n03:34.053 --> 03:46.106\n那的確目前交通部是沒有針對這個後車但是未來就是說自駕車的社會是全世界都在跑所以我想說應該是從忍到後這邊\n\n03:50.832 --> 04:12.893\n這個應該也是都未來的一個因為我是一定是正面看待這件事情那我今天才會來跟我們交通部來討論因為我們的技術既然都已經輸出到國外去了那我代表這個東西我們國內應該也是應該先持一個比較開放性的態度來做一些討論尤其現在運輸業部長也知道缺司機缺的非常嚴重嘛\n\n04:13.453 --> 04:36.316\n那包括如果說我們可以在不同的時段用自駕的技術讓這些貨車不要避免在這個交通尖峰的時刻在路上跑我們盡量讓他自駕的時間自駕因為他人力少嘛他也可以可能一個人可以一開始從一台兩台三台一定是慢慢這樣加上去在離峰的時段運用我們高速公路路權然後把我們尖峰時段的\n\n04:37.056 --> 04:39.478\n自駕方面的安全性一定比人駕還來得高\n\n05:03.935 --> 05:07.817\n我們現在有一個從113到119的電動公車的一個計畫補助計畫其中有一項如果你有自駕的這些補助我們會再增加一些補助有那個自駕的設備我們會增加補助\n\n05:27.008 --> 05:43.061\n所以我當時在他們寫這個計畫我特別跟他們講說應該把這些先進未來導向自駕的東西放在補助計畫一塊這意思是說所有的縣市政府或客運工在申請的時候他也會有個力量是往這個自駕方面來發展\n\n05:43.982 --> 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