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00:02:26,602\n在其他的立法例裡面有規避妨礙或拒絕調查是有一些行政法不過我跟委員報告一下585號解釋因為它層次比較高嘛我現在沒有問到你有關於立法權的部分麻煩這個我們其實現在就有針對如果是不配合法院檢察機關或者是這個行政機關的相關\n\n7\n00:02:29,873 --> 00:02:58,187\n行為的處罰規定不管在刑法、行政訴訟法、民事訴訟法、刑事訴訟法甚至公平教育委員會都有行政調查權那這些有行政調查權或司法調查權的機關其實他們也會特別的要求如果是有違反這些調查義務這個無故缺席或是實問虛答甚至做偽證的都可予行政處罰以及刑法都有相關的罪責處罰\n\n8\n00:02:59,728 --> 00:02:59,908\n二）委員\n\n9\n00:03:16,745 --> 00:03:38,098\n二（委員是請問李署長我想您應該不會否認其實調查權應該是國家重要權利機關行使的一個重要的核心權利對是華也五八化解釋也是在立法調查權是我們的權利啊好那請問一下那我們立法權的核心價值在哪裡\n\n10\n00:03:39,496 --> 00:04:06,617\n對,就行使聯名所賦予的這個職權嘛。包括含立法權、執行權等等要監督行政機關、施政等等重要的權利。那麼行使這些重要的職權難道我們不應該要在有取得充分而且完整的資訊前提上我們才能夠去執行我們的職權?\n\n11\n00:04:08,647 --> 00:04:09,848\n三）委員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具\n\n12\n00:04:29,918 --> 00:04:30,038\n二）委員\n\n13\n00:04:49,096 --> 00:04:49,677\n國民黨及民眾黨委員提出的國會改革法案其實無非要強化將\n\n14\n00:05:04,125 --> 00:05:04,345\n議員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具\n\n15\n00:05:27,196 --> 00:05:27,636\n議員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具\n\n16\n00:05:45,848 --> 00:05:48,050\n議員楊瓊瓔等52人擬具«立法院職權行使法部分條文修正草案案案案案案\n\n17\n00:06:09,031 --> 00:06:09,071\n二）委員\n\n18\n00:06:24,070 --> 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