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00:01:02,892\n有提出是不是有可能在平溪來涉戰的可行性我不曉得在地方政府提出這個建議之後我們有沒有做相關的回應或是做相關的評估這樣子這個原來在評估的時候確實在地方政府有提出來這個想法不過當時我們在考慮上還沒有\n\n4\n00:01:04,181 --> 00:01:28,436\n就是說從它的現行等等這個事情考慮當初我們還沒有給一個回應說那邊要再涉戰所以目前還沒有一個明確的方向是那大概到哪個階段可以討論這件事情應該在現在的綜合規劃目前來講應該到114年我想這個方向應該會在今年或是明年的時間來去做評估\n\n5\n00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:57,438\n就是在做綜合規劃報告的時候那我們就會來討論這個平溪地區要不要有沒有辦法來做共戰那當然大家可能會認為說平溪這麼小的一個地方有沒有辦法來負荷這個高鐵的運量那我想先請教一下當然我們還是要我們在質詢的時候還是要先有一些背景這個知識的一些瞭解想先確認一下在評估高鐵設不設站在運量上面會有哪一些基本的要求\n\n6\n00:02:00,738 --> 00:02:28,752\n沒有基本上的要求但是我相信這個量要能夠起來除了有在地附近的這個服務的人口之外所以人口絕對不夠一定是觀光客嘛對還有一些產業的發展包括觀光產業的發展那這一部分當然要設帳我覺得根本上的問題會在於說我們今天要找到適合設帳的地點跟他的線型能夠搭配起來這才是關鍵那接下來才是運量的問題所以目前線型經過新北市的部分都已經確認了嗎\n\n7\n00:02:29,953 --> 00:02:51,399\n還沒有完全確認所以也是在綜合公報報告的時候才會確認現行然後之後才來評估有沒有辦法設置這個評級站那我們會如果說往宜蘭走的話未來我們的起企啦比如說假設我不確定應該延伸如果說以屏東跟宜蘭來講的話屏東應該會先嘛對不對\n\n8\n00:02:55,876 --> 00:03:02,518\n平東也還沒確定嘛那假設之後這個兩邊都定案了那將來的起氣站會是宜蘭跟平東嗎還是說還是會像現在的南港到左營這樣子將來會是從平東我們現在在做\n\n9\n00:03:24,349 --> 00:03:24,749\n廖先翔議員\n\n10\n00:03:42,552 --> 00:04:01,162\n對,因為現在有很多種不同的班次嘛,對不對?包括戰戰艇,那也有台北、台中,然後直接到左營的嘛,對不對?那所以未來,假設延伸到宜蘭跟屏東的時候,那會有部分的班次一樣是從宜蘭發,部分的班次從宜蘭發車,部分的班次從南港發車,會是這樣嗎?\n\n11\n00:04:02,563 --> 00:04:20,598\n我覺得這樣推測是合理的,不過實際上停靠的班車還是要靠要看將來的營運單位跟營運學家。所以就是目前全數都是從南港發車,那未來就算延伸到宜蘭的話也不一定都是全部從宜蘭發車,而是你們的運量來調整,要從宜蘭還是南港發車?是,不一定。\n\n12\n00:04:21,198 --> 00:04:46,471\n好那這個有關我還是回到運量的部分這個平溪店是否要設站當然最重要的就是觀光客的人數能不能支撐高鐵站我想先確認一下我們現在因為地方政府在爭取的時候他可能也是需要一些論述才能夠來爭取我想確認一下現在高鐵站哪一個站的運量\n\n13\n00:04:47,552 --> 00:04:48,433\n《環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案》案\n\n14\n00:05:03,226 --> 00:05:21,892\n目前幾個車站運量最低的是彰化車站那一天的量大概是4000一天4000所以說假設如果說地方政府想要爭取平息在那邊設站的話那地方政府的評估會最起碼這邊的運量一天要有4000以上嗎?是這樣嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:24,139 --> 00:05:39,176\n我們不適合拿彰化站來做比,我們希望每一個站都能像台北站一樣。但是我覺得它的月亮的高低會影響到未來的涉不涉站以及涉站之後的停靠的班次有多少。\n\n16\n00:05:39,816 --> 00:06:00,814\n當然當然當然一定是越少站的越少人的部分越少停當然假設假設真的有機會在平溪社站我們也不可能要求每班都停嘛對不對就像你們未來不可能每班都開到宜蘭嘛這是最基本的我們知道一定是效率的問題啦那只是說地方政府在爭取的時候我們在做報告的時候地方政府一定也要提出我們希望爭取的一些利基點嘛\n\n17\n00:06:01,254 --> 00:06:02,355\n未來可能你說可能聯合開發之類的概念\n\n18\n00:06:30,998 --> 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那這個有關我還是回到運量的部分這個平溪店是否要設站當然最重要的就是觀光客的人數能不能支撐高鐵站我想先確認一下我們現在因為地方政府在爭取的時候他可能也是需要一些論述才能夠來爭取我想確認一下現在高鐵站哪一個站的運量\n《環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案》案\n目前幾個車站運量最低的是彰化車站那一天的量大概是4000一天4000所以說假設如果說地方政府想要爭取平息在那邊設站的話那地方政府的評估會最起碼這邊的運量一天要有4000以上嗎?是這樣嗎?\n我們不適合拿彰化站來做比,我們希望每一個站都能像台北站一樣。但是我覺得它的月亮的高低會影響到未來的涉不涉站以及涉站之後的停靠的班次有多少。\n當然當然當然一定是越少站的越少人的部分越少停當然假設假設真的有機會在平溪社站我們也不可能要求每班都停嘛對不對就像你們未來不可能每班都開到宜蘭嘛這是最基本的我們知道一定是效率的問題啦那只是說地方政府在爭取的時候我們在做報告的時候地方政府一定也要提出我們希望爭取的一些利基點嘛\n未來可能你說可能聯合開發之類的概念\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:00.209\n委員請作詢答\n\n00:24.423 --> 00:41.301\n今天環島高速鐵路的部分我想先請教一下因為目前環島高速鐵路目前已經有在往宜蘭方面做一些評估現在正在環境相關的評估沒錯那我想確認一下因為當初在召開相關的討論的時候新北市的地方政府\n\n00:41.721 --> 01:02.892\n有提出是不是有可能在平溪來涉戰的可行性我不曉得在地方政府提出這個建議之後我們有沒有做相關的回應或是做相關的評估這樣子這個原來在評估的時候確實在地方政府有提出來這個想法不過當時我們在考慮上還沒有\n\n01:04.181 --> 01:28.436\n就是說從它的現行等等這個事情考慮當初我們還沒有給一個回應說那邊要再涉戰所以目前還沒有一個明確的方向是那大概到哪個階段可以討論這件事情應該在現在的綜合規劃目前來講應該到114年我想這個方向應該會在今年或是明年的時間來去做評估\n\n01:29.270 --> 01:57.438\n就是在做綜合規劃報告的時候那我們就會來討論這個平溪地區要不要有沒有辦法來做共戰那當然大家可能會認為說平溪這麼小的一個地方有沒有辦法來負荷這個高鐵的運量那我想先請教一下當然我們還是要我們在質詢的時候還是要先有一些背景這個知識的一些瞭解想先確認一下在評估高鐵設不設站在運量上面會有哪一些基本的要求\n\n02:00.738 --> 02:28.752\n沒有基本上的要求但是我相信這個量要能夠起來除了有在地附近的這個服務的人口之外所以人口絕對不夠一定是觀光客嘛對還有一些產業的發展包括觀光產業的發展那這一部分當然要設帳我覺得根本上的問題會在於說我們今天要找到適合設帳的地點跟他的線型能夠搭配起來這才是關鍵那接下來才是運量的問題所以目前線型經過新北市的部分都已經確認了嗎\n\n02:29.953 --> 02:51.399\n還沒有完全確認所以也是在綜合公報報告的時候才會確認現行然後之後才來評估有沒有辦法設置這個評級站那我們會如果說往宜蘭走的話未來我們的起企啦比如說假設我不確定應該延伸如果說以屏東跟宜蘭來講的話屏東應該會先嘛對不對\n\n02:55.876 --> 03:02.518\n平東也還沒確定嘛那假設之後這個兩邊都定案了那將來的起氣站會是宜蘭跟平東嗎還是說還是會像現在的南港到左營這樣子將來會是從平東我們現在在做\n\n03:24.349 --> 03:24.749\n廖先翔議員\n\n03:42.552 --> 04:01.162\n對,因為現在有很多種不同的班次嘛,對不對?包括戰戰艇,那也有台北、台中,然後直接到左營的嘛,對不對?那所以未來,假設延伸到宜蘭跟屏東的時候,那會有部分的班次一樣是從宜蘭發,部分的班次從宜蘭發車,部分的班次從南港發車,會是這樣嗎?\n\n04:02.563 --> 04:20.598\n我覺得這樣推測是合理的,不過實際上停靠的班車還是要靠要看將來的營運單位跟營運學家。所以就是目前全數都是從南港發車,那未來就算延伸到宜蘭的話也不一定都是全部從宜蘭發車,而是你們的運量來調整,要從宜蘭還是南港發車?是,不一定。\n\n04:21.198 --> 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