{"id":150801,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150801","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01d093d00f1a07c0e852d15130444ae1f7510a295be7434bf8ba9b0039caa7a6bbbba23be64eeb1d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe","委員發言時間":"12:13:23 - 12:24:45","影片長度":"00:11:22","會議時間":"2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。(僅詢答)【4月1日及3日兩天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":9,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-11-1-15-9"},"date":"2024-04-01","duration":682,"end_time":"2024-04-01T12:24:45+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-01T12:13:23+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":881,"blocks":[["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：（12時13分）謝謝主席，有請夷將主委。"],["主席：有請夷將主委。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：委員好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：主委好。3月1日的時候我有在院會總質詢，那個時候我有提出一些要求，第一個，我希望部落公法人的法制化期程，原民會可以在1個月內說明。另外，針對原住民族學校、原專班和原住民族大學，我希望教育部和原民會要有上位的思考和規劃，也希望你們能夠在1個月內提出來，但是這些我都還沒有看到，你們什麼時候可以提出？如果不行的話，就儘快提出，希望可以到我的辦公室來討論一下。"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：我請2位處長簡單的跟委員做一個報告。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝。"],["楊處長正斌：跟委員報告，有關原住民族學校和原住民族大學、甚至是原專班的規劃，其實我們現在已經透過和國教院的合作，就是有關課程綱要發展計畫，這部分我們會在1個月內將相關的資料彙整給委員。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：再1個月就對了？"],["楊處長正斌：對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：處長，是這樣，我記得我在110年11月質詢的時候，像交通部還有後來的原民會，我都有提到，我說這筆錢得來不易啊！我是希望不要用計畫式的申請，我記得交通部長也好，原民會也好，你們都有答應。我說要召集所有的原鄉來開會，應該是按照公里數去做基準來分配，所以我今天看到這樣子就覺得有點驚訝，表示雖然在質詢台上答應我們，可是事後好像也不是這麼做。"],["劉處長維哲：報告委員，的確我們當初有請所有鄉鎮公所提出申請，我們並沒有排除，只是最後只有四十幾個鄉鎮提出來有這個經費需求，有些是沒有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我想我們還是回復到有沒有找各鄉來？"],["劉處長維哲：有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：有，所以他們都沒有意見，用計畫提報方式？"],["劉處長維哲：對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：確定？"],["劉處長維哲：它沒有需求的都有公文回復給我們，所以我們最後盤點只有45個鄉鎮。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：其實這筆錢得來不易，而且很重要，我不太能夠想像，為什麼會有鄉公所不需要。"],["劉處長維哲：因為我們補助的範圍就是部落連絡的公路系統，非屬編號道路，有些……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：沒關係，再給我一個報告好不好？"],["劉處長維哲：好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝。另外就是所謂的基本設施維持費，因為已經在112年度去做修正，很好，因為已經改成負面表列，只要不能用在什麼就可以，其他統統都可以。我知道有的鄉公所來跟我抱怨，去年加薪的百分之四，原本應該是要用公務預算來編列，可是卻要求他們用基本設施維持費去處理，以後都要這樣子嗎？因為其實那筆錢也不多，而且對鄉公所來講，這筆錢很好用，因為支用的範圍很廣，所以我想說這個部分沒關係，會後再做報告好了。","我在這邊也要請教一下食農教育的部分，因為我知道的是，我們很希望部落的文健站、學校，都能夠吃到在地的一些我們種的小米，或者是我們養的這些雞鴨，所以要去想辦法取得三章一Q。可是我知道的是，因為我們很多的地都是林地，所以根本沒有辦法取得三章一Q，還有發票、收據都很困難，所以我不曉得我們原民會了不了解，真的有很多人取得三章一Q嗎？他們這些農產品都可以進入到採購市場嗎？"],["宋處長麗茹：我們現在有兩百個團體，我們正在……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：原住民的團體？"],["宋處長麗茹：對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：他們的東西都可以進入到採購市場？"],["宋處長麗茹：對，符合三章一Q……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：三章一Q，好，這個部分我是希望要再去輔導，有的是因為林地，真的沒有辦法取得，這個會限制我們的原青返鄉。我希望針對一些林下畜牧、林下友善的部分，還是要另外去做標章處理好不好？"],["夷將．拔路兒主任委員：好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為時間的關係，還有很多問題要問，我後面再用書面，謝謝主席、謝謝主委。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員的質詢，在這裡跟伍委員說明，也提醒一下主委，我4月15日就會排禁伐補償了，我們不等行政院版本。因為其實只有一條的修正，就是目前的3萬元，我們修訂增加為5萬元，所以也希望民進黨的委員能夠支持，我們希望在這個會期能夠三讀通過，好嗎？謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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00:02:47,325\n所以這個部分其實都會去牽動到我們大家對於淨法補償金每一年一公頃還在維持3萬元這個部分會去應該要去做一個橫評所以我就是想要了解一下院版什麼時候提出來\n\n9\n00:02:49,344 --> 00:03:05,509\n目前還沒有做最後的共識所以還沒有定出提出的事情很久了捏院長也答應兩次了捏對是那我們會那個儘速來把查案再領出來\n\n10\n00:03:06,009 --> 00:03:29,592\n還是要快點進速到辦公室跟我報告也沒有關係好不好好謝謝那今天謝謝趙偉他其實把我們很關心很重要的很多議題列出了15個議題那其實我也都覺得很關心但是礙於時間的關係所以沒有辦法每一題都問到但是我還是在這邊盡量的來請教求教一下\n\n11\n00:03:30,733 --> 00:03:52,690\n第一個部分現在大家最關心的就是國土計劃我自己在兩個禮拜前也特別有在內政委員會針對那時候國土署跟原民會我有要求國土署要趕快把原住民土地管制規則要給他公告因為你們是何屬公告我也知道你們被這樣子來來回回四次\n\n12\n00:03:55,091 --> 00:04:21,763\n這個東西沒有出來我就說你去辦那些部落溝通說明會是沒有用的整個我們的原住民都在傳未來上路會怎樣滅族結果上個禮拜很謝謝你們已經有辦了第一場的土地使用規則的說明會你看果不其然辦完了之後聲音消滅很多就是要盡量公開透明但是我還是有幾個要求就是這個表格我希望\n\n13\n00:04:23,184 --> 00:04:29,809\n這個各項的功能分區是不是有容許的使用項目要不要把它列清楚委員這個部分我們會\n\n14\n00:04:33,840 --> 00:05:01,199\n公告的時間我們設立在一定會在國土計畫上路之前就會公告這個規定原先預定是今年113年1月對其實都已經覺得很慢我原先之前是希望說在去年配合部落溝通卻要出來但是你們已經定113年1月那也沒辦法可是如果說要等到明年4月以前出來這樣子太慢了不會到明年4月\n\n15\n00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:17,858\n主委我跟您說我之所以覺得要提醒你們那個容許使用項目是因為很多人他其實還是會去問啊國保一國保二能不能經營小型露營場啊我在農事啊我能不能經營小吃店零售店啊那甚至是很多人會想說那\n\n16\n00:05:19,619 --> 00:05:23,801\n這個功能分區我分在哪裡會不會對我未來的進法補償會有影響我希望可以用更淺白的方式把它盤點出來讓我們的族人可以更清楚國土計畫跟原住民土地使用規則對我們的一個影響那我也要提醒有一個你們也要盤\n\n17\n00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:58,631\n像我們有很多如果明年4月如期上路不是大家都要開始可以去申請使用的合法的一個用地取得之後的申請建造實照嗎要跟縣市政府申請喔可是主委我要提醒其實我們有很多國軍的用地像是他會限建限高\n\n18\n00:05:59,511 --> 00:06:23,369\n那到時候呢他要去蓋房子他要去申請因為大家都知道我要去跟縣市政府申請合法的使用申請的使用執照建築執照喔這些應該都會被拒絕喔你們要去盤像我知道的是很多地方像那個春日來義光是受到那個戰備跑道的那個什麼砲擊的那個他影響的範圍就有9個部落喔\n\n19\n00:06:25,991 --> 00:06:54,940\n我是認為這九個部落到縣政府申請都會沒有辦法拿到我們所謂的上路的建造這些所以這個我就希望說是不是一個月內還是麻煩原民會談點一下有哪一些地方我們是遺漏掉的因為這一些族人他其實對自身的權益他不清楚不了解但是我覺得原民會作為我們的父母一定要在我們的前面就要先掌握到好不好那另外一個部分我有看到夜報\n\n20\n00:06:56,980 --> 00:07:09,744\n說有9個公所在112年沒有提出這個什麼棄燃費做的這個部落養護道路的這個補助啊可以公佈一下是哪9個嗎這個細節是不是我們請處長跟委員說明\n\n21\n00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:33,854\n報告委員大概9個部落主要包括去年的烏來像烏來它是都是都市計畫區像蘭嶼它整個都環島公路那像魚池鄉因為它部落範圍很小所以它沒有聯絡道路類似這樣子我目前舉13個那我們後面會後會有\n\n22\n00:07:36,295 --> 00:07:50,201\n主委長是這樣我記得我在110年11月的質詢的時候像交通部還有後來的原民會我都有提到呢我說這筆錢得來不易啊那我是希望說不要用計劃式的申請\n\n23\n00:07:51,121 --> 00:08:11,427\n我記得交通部長也好原民會也好你們都有答應我說要召集所有的原鄉來開會應該是按照他的公理數去做基準來分配所以我今天看到這樣子我就覺得有點驚訝表示說雖然在質詢台上這樣子答應我們可是好像事後也不是這麼做\n\n24\n00:08:12,686 --> 00:08:27,864\n報告委員的確我們當初請所有鄉鎮公所提出申請我們並沒有排除只是他申請的需求是最後只有只有40幾個鄉鎮他提出來說他有這個經費需求我想我們還是回復到就是有沒有找各鄉來有\n\n25\n00:08:29,346 --> 00:08:47,561\n有所以他們都沒有意見用計畫提報方式對確定他沒有需求都有公文回覆給我們所以說我們是最後我們盤點最後就有45個箱子其實這筆錢得來不易而且很重要我不太能夠想像說為什麼會有相公所會不需要\n\n26\n00:08:48,041 --> 00:09:14,011\n因為我們補助的範圍就是部落聯絡的公路系統那屬非屬編號道路沒關係那再給我一個報告好不好好謝謝那另外就是有提到這個所謂的基本設施維持費因為已經在112年度去做修正很好因為已經改成負面表列就是說只要不能用在什麼就可以其他通通都可以那我是知道說有的鄉公所有跟我抱怨\n\n27\n00:09:14,731 --> 00:09:43,606\n那時候去年加薪的那個4%原本應該是要用公務預算來編列可是卻要求他們用基本設施維持費去處理那以後都要這樣子嗎因為那個其實錢也不多而且對鄉公所來講這筆錢很好用因為它致用的範圍很廣所以我想說這個部分沒關係會後再做報告好了那我在這邊也要請教一下那個食農教育的部分\n\n28\n00:09:44,386 --> 00:10:13,526\n因為我知道的是我們很希望部落的文件站、學校都能夠吃到在地的這一些我們種的小米啊或者是我們養的這些雞鴨嘛那所以要去想辦法取得三張EQ可是我知道的是我們因為很多的地都是林地所以根本沒有辦法取得那個三張EQ啊還有發票啊、收據啊都很困難所以我不曉得說我們原民會了不了解\n\n29\n00:10:14,286 --> 00:10:16,628\n真的很多人取得三張EQ嗎?他們這些農產品都可以進入到採購市場嗎?我們現在有200個團體原住民的團體他們的東西都可以進入到採購市場三張EQ那我想這個部分我是希望要再去輔導\n\n30\n00:10:37,702 --> 00:10:49,973\n有的是因為林地真的沒有辦法取得這個會限制我們的原青返鄉我是希望說針對一些林下畜牧林下友善的部分還是要另外去做標章處理好不好因為時間的關係還有很多問題要問我後面再用書面來\n\n31\n00:11:00,122 --> 00:11:07,185\n謝謝主席謝謝主委謝謝吳立華委員的質詢在這裡跟吳委員說明也提醒一下主委我4月15號就會排進法補償了我們不等行政院版本因為其實只有一條的修正就是目前的3萬塊我們修訂增加為5萬塊所以也希望民進黨的委員能夠支持我們希望在這個會期裡面能夠讓他三讀同考\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6351\t9498\t謝謝主席有請一將主委有請一將主委\n16679\t34547\t3月1號的時候我有做院會總質詢那個時候有去做一些要求第一個就是我希望部落工法人的法制化期程原民會可以在一個月內來做一個說明\n36768\t62478\t另外呢我針對原住民族學校原專班原住民大學我說教育部跟園民會要有一個上位的思考要有一個規劃也希望呢把一個月之內提出來但是因為我都還沒有看到所以我想說什麼時候可以提出如果不行的話就盡快提出希望可以到辦公室討論一下\n64499\t91268\t請兩位處長簡單的跟委員做一個報告好,謝謝跟委員報告有關原住民族學校跟原住民族大學甚至是原專班的規劃那我們現在其實也透過國教院這邊來已經合作了有關課程剛要發展的計畫那這部分我們會在一個月內我們再來把相關資料再匯整就再一個月就對了好,謝謝\n93444\t110559\t那部落公法人法制化其成部落公法人的部分我們也在一個月內提供給委員好 謝謝那在當時我其實也針對那個禁法補償的部分有再一次的請教院長跟主委因為其實我在上一屆\n111420\t134326\t其實也有在總諮詢問過那這個部分大家都很關心的原因不是因為原住民要把淨法補償金提高而且實在是因為我們目前大家所關心的探權、探定價它其實在未來是一個趨勢而且目前雖然沒有把原住民加入但是我們會不斷的質詢\n135726\t136487\t原住民發展條例立法\n151676\t167325\t所以這個部分其實都會去牽動到我們大家對於淨法補償金每一年一公頃還在維持3萬元這個部分會去應該要去做一個橫評所以我就是想要了解一下院版什麼時候提出來\n169344\t185509\t目前還沒有做最後的共識所以還沒有定出提出的事情很久了捏院長也答應兩次了捏對是那我們會那個儘速來把查案再領出來\n186009\t209592\t還是要快點進速到辦公室跟我報告也沒有關係好不好好謝謝那今天謝謝趙偉他其實把我們很關心很重要的很多議題列出了15個議題那其實我也都覺得很關心但是礙於時間的關係所以沒有辦法每一題都問到但是我還是在這邊盡量的來請教求教一下\n210733\t232690\t第一個部分現在大家最關心的就是國土計劃我自己在兩個禮拜前也特別有在內政委員會針對那時候國土署跟原民會我有要求國土署要趕快把原住民土地管制規則要給他公告因為你們是何屬公告我也知道你們被這樣子來來回回四次\n235091\t261763\t這個東西沒有出來我就說你去辦那些部落溝通說明會是沒有用的整個我們的原住民都在傳未來上路會怎樣滅族結果上個禮拜很謝謝你們已經有辦了第一場的土地使用規則的說明會你看果不其然辦完了之後聲音消滅很多就是要盡量公開透明但是我還是有幾個要求就是這個表格我希望\n263184\t269809\t這個各項的功能分區是不是有容許的使用項目要不要把它列清楚委員這個部分我們會\n273840\t301199\t公告的時間我們設立在一定會在國土計畫上路之前就會公告這個規定原先預定是今年113年1月對其實都已經覺得很慢我原先之前是希望說在去年配合部落溝通卻要出來但是你們已經定113年1月那也沒辦法可是如果說要等到明年4月以前出來這樣子太慢了不會到明年4月\n302440\t317858\t主委我跟您說我之所以覺得要提醒你們那個容許使用項目是因為很多人他其實還是會去問啊國保一國保二能不能經營小型露營場啊我在農事啊我能不能經營小吃店零售店啊那甚至是很多人會想說那\n319619\t323801\t這個功能分區我分在哪裡會不會對我未來的進法補償會有影響我希望可以用更淺白的方式把它盤點出來讓我們的族人可以更清楚國土計畫跟原住民土地使用規則對我們的一個影響那我也要提醒有一個你們也要盤\n338706\t358631\t像我們有很多如果明年4月如期上路不是大家都要開始可以去申請使用的合法的一個用地取得之後的申請建造實照嗎要跟縣市政府申請喔可是主委我要提醒其實我們有很多國軍的用地像是他會限建限高\n359511\t383369\t那到時候呢他要去蓋房子他要去申請因為大家都知道我要去跟縣市政府申請合法的使用申請的使用執照建築執照喔這些應該都會被拒絕喔你們要去盤像我知道的是很多地方像那個春日來義光是受到那個戰備跑道的那個什麼砲擊的那個他影響的範圍就有9個部落喔\n385991\t414940\t我是認為這九個部落到縣政府申請都會沒有辦法拿到我們所謂的上路的建造這些所以這個我就希望說是不是一個月內還是麻煩原民會談點一下有哪一些地方我們是遺漏掉的因為這一些族人他其實對自身的權益他不清楚不了解但是我覺得原民會作為我們的父母一定要在我們的前面就要先掌握到好不好那另外一個部分我有看到夜報\n416980\t429744\t說有9個公所在112年沒有提出這個什麼棄燃費做的這個部落養護道路的這個補助啊可以公佈一下是哪9個嗎這個細節是不是我們請處長跟委員說明\n435759\t453854\t報告委員大概9個部落主要包括去年的烏來像烏來它是都是都市計畫區像蘭嶼它整個都環島公路那像魚池鄉因為它部落範圍很小所以它沒有聯絡道路類似這樣子我目前舉13個那我們後面會後會有\n456295\t470201\t主委長是這樣我記得我在110年11月的質詢的時候像交通部還有後來的原民會我都有提到呢我說這筆錢得來不易啊那我是希望說不要用計劃式的申請\n471121\t491427\t我記得交通部長也好原民會也好你們都有答應我說要召集所有的原鄉來開會應該是按照他的公理數去做基準來分配所以我今天看到這樣子我就覺得有點驚訝表示說雖然在質詢台上這樣子答應我們可是好像事後也不是這麼做\n492686\t507864\t報告委員的確我們當初請所有鄉鎮公所提出申請我們並沒有排除只是他申請的需求是最後只有只有40幾個鄉鎮他提出來說他有這個經費需求我想我們還是回復到就是有沒有找各鄉來有\n509346\t527561\t有所以他們都沒有意見用計畫提報方式對確定他沒有需求都有公文回覆給我們所以說我們是最後我們盤點最後就有45個箱子其實這筆錢得來不易而且很重要我不太能夠想像說為什麼會有相公所會不需要\n528041\t554011\t因為我們補助的範圍就是部落聯絡的公路系統那屬非屬編號道路沒關係那再給我一個報告好不好好謝謝那另外就是有提到這個所謂的基本設施維持費因為已經在112年度去做修正很好因為已經改成負面表列就是說只要不能用在什麼就可以其他通通都可以那我是知道說有的鄉公所有跟我抱怨\n554731\t583606\t那時候去年加薪的那個4%原本應該是要用公務預算來編列可是卻要求他們用基本設施維持費去處理那以後都要這樣子嗎因為那個其實錢也不多而且對鄉公所來講這筆錢很好用因為它致用的範圍很廣所以我想說這個部分沒關係會後再做報告好了那我在這邊也要請教一下那個食農教育的部分\n584386\t613526\t因為我知道的是我們很希望部落的文件站、學校都能夠吃到在地的這一些我們種的小米啊或者是我們養的這些雞鴨嘛那所以要去想辦法取得三張EQ可是我知道的是我們因為很多的地都是林地所以根本沒有辦法取得那個三張EQ啊還有發票啊、收據啊都很困難所以我不曉得說我們原民會了不了解\n614286\t616628\t真的很多人取得三張EQ嗎?他們這些農產品都可以進入到採購市場嗎?我們現在有200個團體原住民的團體他們的東西都可以進入到採購市場三張EQ那我想這個部分我是希望要再去輔導\n637702\t649973\t有的是因為林地真的沒有辦法取得這個會限制我們的原青返鄉我是希望說針對一些林下畜牧林下友善的部分還是要另外去做標章處理好不好因為時間的關係還有很多問題要問我後面再用書面來\n660122\t667185\t謝謝主席 謝謝主委謝謝吳立華委員的質詢在這裡跟吳委員說明也提醒一下主委我4月15號就會排進法補償了我們不等行政院版本因為其實只有一條的修正就是目前的3萬塊我們修訂增加為5萬塊所以也希望民進黨的委員能夠支持我們希望在這個會期裡面能夠讓他三讀同考\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請一將主委有請一將主委\n3月1號的時候我有做院會總質詢那個時候有去做一些要求第一個就是我希望部落工法人的法制化期程原民會可以在一個月內來做一個說明\n另外呢我針對原住民族學校原專班原住民大學我說教育部跟園民會要有一個上位的思考要有一個規劃也希望呢把一個月之內提出來但是因為我都還沒有看到所以我想說什麼時候可以提出如果不行的話就盡快提出希望可以到辦公室討論一下\n請兩位處長簡單的跟委員做一個報告好,謝謝跟委員報告有關原住民族學校跟原住民族大學甚至是原專班的規劃那我們現在其實也透過國教院這邊來已經合作了有關課程剛要發展的計畫那這部分我們會在一個月內我們再來把相關資料再匯整就再一個月就對了好,謝謝\n那部落公法人法制化其成部落公法人的部分我們也在一個月內提供給委員好 謝謝那在當時我其實也針對那個禁法補償的部分有再一次的請教院長跟主委因為其實我在上一屆\n其實也有在總諮詢問過那這個部分大家都很關心的原因不是因為原住民要把淨法補償金提高而且實在是因為我們目前大家所關心的探權、探定價它其實在未來是一個趨勢而且目前雖然沒有把原住民加入但是我們會不斷的質詢\n原住民發展條例立法\n所以這個部分其實都會去牽動到我們大家對於淨法補償金每一年一公頃還在維持3萬元這個部分會去應該要去做一個橫評所以我就是想要了解一下院版什麼時候提出來\n目前還沒有做最後的共識所以還沒有定出提出的事情很久了捏院長也答應兩次了捏對是那我們會那個儘速來把查案再領出來\n還是要快點進速到辦公室跟我報告也沒有關係好不好好謝謝那今天謝謝趙偉他其實把我們很關心很重要的很多議題列出了15個議題那其實我也都覺得很關心但是礙於時間的關係所以沒有辦法每一題都問到但是我還是在這邊盡量的來請教求教一下\n第一個部分現在大家最關心的就是國土計劃我自己在兩個禮拜前也特別有在內政委員會針對那時候國土署跟原民會我有要求國土署要趕快把原住民土地管制規則要給他公告因為你們是何屬公告我也知道你們被這樣子來來回回四次\n這個東西沒有出來我就說你去辦那些部落溝通說明會是沒有用的整個我們的原住民都在傳未來上路會怎樣滅族結果上個禮拜很謝謝你們已經有辦了第一場的土地使用規則的說明會你看果不其然辦完了之後聲音消滅很多就是要盡量公開透明但是我還是有幾個要求就是這個表格我希望\n這個各項的功能分區是不是有容許的使用項目要不要把它列清楚委員這個部分我們會\n公告的時間我們設立在一定會在國土計畫上路之前就會公告這個規定原先預定是今年113年1月對其實都已經覺得很慢我原先之前是希望說在去年配合部落溝通卻要出來但是你們已經定113年1月那也沒辦法可是如果說要等到明年4月以前出來這樣子太慢了不會到明年4月\n主委我跟您說我之所以覺得要提醒你們那個容許使用項目是因為很多人他其實還是會去問啊國保一國保二能不能經營小型露營場啊我在農事啊我能不能經營小吃店零售店啊那甚至是很多人會想說那\n這個功能分區我分在哪裡會不會對我未來的進法補償會有影響我希望可以用更淺白的方式把它盤點出來讓我們的族人可以更清楚國土計畫跟原住民土地使用規則對我們的一個影響那我也要提醒有一個你們也要盤\n像我們有很多如果明年4月如期上路不是大家都要開始可以去申請使用的合法的一個用地取得之後的申請建造實照嗎要跟縣市政府申請喔可是主委我要提醒其實我們有很多國軍的用地像是他會限建限高\n那到時候呢他要去蓋房子他要去申請因為大家都知道我要去跟縣市政府申請合法的使用申請的使用執照建築執照喔這些應該都會被拒絕喔你們要去盤像我知道的是很多地方像那個春日來義光是受到那個戰備跑道的那個什麼砲擊的那個他影響的範圍就有9個部落喔\n我是認為這九個部落到縣政府申請都會沒有辦法拿到我們所謂的上路的建造這些所以這個我就希望說是不是一個月內還是麻煩原民會談點一下有哪一些地方我們是遺漏掉的因為這一些族人他其實對自身的權益他不清楚不了解但是我覺得原民會作為我們的父母一定要在我們的前面就要先掌握到好不好那另外一個部分我有看到夜報\n說有9個公所在112年沒有提出這個什麼棄燃費做的這個部落養護道路的這個補助啊可以公佈一下是哪9個嗎這個細節是不是我們請處長跟委員說明\n報告委員大概9個部落主要包括去年的烏來像烏來它是都是都市計畫區像蘭嶼它整個都環島公路那像魚池鄉因為它部落範圍很小所以它沒有聯絡道路類似這樣子我目前舉13個那我們後面會後會有\n主委長是這樣我記得我在110年11月的質詢的時候像交通部還有後來的原民會我都有提到呢我說這筆錢得來不易啊那我是希望說不要用計劃式的申請\n我記得交通部長也好原民會也好你們都有答應我說要召集所有的原鄉來開會應該是按照他的公理數去做基準來分配所以我今天看到這樣子我就覺得有點驚訝表示說雖然在質詢台上這樣子答應我們可是好像事後也不是這麼做\n報告委員的確我們當初請所有鄉鎮公所提出申請我們並沒有排除只是他申請的需求是最後只有只有40幾個鄉鎮他提出來說他有這個經費需求我想我們還是回復到就是有沒有找各鄉來有\n有所以他們都沒有意見用計畫提報方式對確定他沒有需求都有公文回覆給我們所以說我們是最後我們盤點最後就有45個箱子其實這筆錢得來不易而且很重要我不太能夠想像說為什麼會有相公所會不需要\n因為我們補助的範圍就是部落聯絡的公路系統那屬非屬編號道路沒關係那再給我一個報告好不好好謝謝那另外就是有提到這個所謂的基本設施維持費因為已經在112年度去做修正很好因為已經改成負面表列就是說只要不能用在什麼就可以其他通通都可以那我是知道說有的鄉公所有跟我抱怨\n那時候去年加薪的那個4%原本應該是要用公務預算來編列可是卻要求他們用基本設施維持費去處理那以後都要這樣子嗎因為那個其實錢也不多而且對鄉公所來講這筆錢很好用因為它致用的範圍很廣所以我想說這個部分沒關係會後再做報告好了那我在這邊也要請教一下那個食農教育的部分\n因為我知道的是我們很希望部落的文件站、學校都能夠吃到在地的這一些我們種的小米啊或者是我們養的這些雞鴨嘛那所以要去想辦法取得三張EQ可是我知道的是我們因為很多的地都是林地所以根本沒有辦法取得那個三張EQ啊還有發票啊、收據啊都很困難所以我不曉得說我們原民會了不了解\n真的很多人取得三張EQ嗎?他們這些農產品都可以進入到採購市場嗎?我們現在有200個團體原住民的團體他們的東西都可以進入到採購市場三張EQ那我想這個部分我是希望要再去輔導\n有的是因為林地真的沒有辦法取得這個會限制我們的原青返鄉我是希望說針對一些林下畜牧林下友善的部分還是要另外去做標章處理好不好因為時間的關係還有很多問題要問我後面再用書面來\n謝謝主席 謝謝主委謝謝吳立華委員的質詢在這裡跟吳委員說明也提醒一下主委我4月15號就會排進法補償了我們不等行政院版本因為其實只有一條的修正就是目前的3萬塊我們修訂增加為5萬塊所以也希望民進黨的委員能夠支持我們希望在這個會期裡面能夠讓他三讀同考\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.351 --> 00:09.498\n謝謝主席有請一將主委有請一將主委\n\n00:16.679 --> 00:34.547\n3月1號的時候我有做院會總質詢那個時候有去做一些要求第一個就是我希望部落工法人的法制化期程原民會可以在一個月內來做一個說明\n\n00:36.768 --> 01:02.478\n另外呢我針對原住民族學校原專班原住民大學我說教育部跟園民會要有一個上位的思考要有一個規劃也希望呢把一個月之內提出來但是因為我都還沒有看到所以我想說什麼時候可以提出如果不行的話就盡快提出希望可以到辦公室討論一下\n\n01:04.499 --> 01:31.268\n請兩位處長簡單的跟委員做一個報告好,謝謝跟委員報告有關原住民族學校跟原住民族大學甚至是原專班的規劃那我們現在其實也透過國教院這邊來已經合作了有關課程剛要發展的計畫那這部分我們會在一個月內我們再來把相關資料再匯整就再一個月就對了好,謝謝\n\n01:33.444 --> 01:50.559\n那部落公法人法制化其成部落公法人的部分我們也在一個月內提供給委員好謝謝那在當時我其實也針對那個禁法補償的部分有再一次的請教院長跟主委因為其實我在上一屆\n\n01:51.420 --> 02:14.326\n其實也有在總諮詢問過那這個部分大家都很關心的原因不是因為原住民要把淨法補償金提高而且實在是因為我們目前大家所關心的探權、探定價它其實在未來是一個趨勢而且目前雖然沒有把原住民加入但是我們會不斷的質詢\n\n02:15.726 --> 02:16.487\n原住民發展條例立法\n\n02:31.676 --> 02:47.325\n所以這個部分其實都會去牽動到我們大家對於淨法補償金每一年一公頃還在維持3萬元這個部分會去應該要去做一個橫評所以我就是想要了解一下院版什麼時候提出來\n\n02:49.344 --> 03:05.509\n目前還沒有做最後的共識所以還沒有定出提出的事情很久了捏院長也答應兩次了捏對是那我們會那個儘速來把查案再領出來\n\n03:06.009 --> 03:29.592\n還是要快點進速到辦公室跟我報告也沒有關係好不好好謝謝那今天謝謝趙偉他其實把我們很關心很重要的很多議題列出了15個議題那其實我也都覺得很關心但是礙於時間的關係所以沒有辦法每一題都問到但是我還是在這邊盡量的來請教求教一下\n\n03:30.733 --> 03:52.690\n第一個部分現在大家最關心的就是國土計劃我自己在兩個禮拜前也特別有在內政委員會針對那時候國土署跟原民會我有要求國土署要趕快把原住民土地管制規則要給他公告因為你們是何屬公告我也知道你們被這樣子來來回回四次\n\n03:55.091 --> 04:21.763\n這個東西沒有出來我就說你去辦那些部落溝通說明會是沒有用的整個我們的原住民都在傳未來上路會怎樣滅族結果上個禮拜很謝謝你們已經有辦了第一場的土地使用規則的說明會你看果不其然辦完了之後聲音消滅很多就是要盡量公開透明但是我還是有幾個要求就是這個表格我希望\n\n04:23.184 --> 04:29.809\n這個各項的功能分區是不是有容許的使用項目要不要把它列清楚委員這個部分我們會\n\n04:33.840 --> 05:01.199\n公告的時間我們設立在一定會在國土計畫上路之前就會公告這個規定原先預定是今年113年1月對其實都已經覺得很慢我原先之前是希望說在去年配合部落溝通卻要出來但是你們已經定113年1月那也沒辦法可是如果說要等到明年4月以前出來這樣子太慢了不會到明年4月\n\n05:02.440 --> 05:17.858\n主委我跟您說我之所以覺得要提醒你們那個容許使用項目是因為很多人他其實還是會去問啊國保一國保二能不能經營小型露營場啊我在農事啊我能不能經營小吃店零售店啊那甚至是很多人會想說那\n\n05:19.619 --> 05:23.801\n這個功能分區我分在哪裡會不會對我未來的進法補償會有影響我希望可以用更淺白的方式把它盤點出來讓我們的族人可以更清楚國土計畫跟原住民土地使用規則對我們的一個影響那我也要提醒有一個你們也要盤\n\n05:38.706 --> 05:58.631\n像我們有很多如果明年4月如期上路不是大家都要開始可以去申請使用的合法的一個用地取得之後的申請建造實照嗎要跟縣市政府申請喔可是主委我要提醒其實我們有很多國軍的用地像是他會限建限高\n\n05:59.511 --> 06:23.369\n那到時候呢他要去蓋房子他要去申請因為大家都知道我要去跟縣市政府申請合法的使用申請的使用執照建築執照喔這些應該都會被拒絕喔你們要去盤像我知道的是很多地方像那個春日來義光是受到那個戰備跑道的那個什麼砲擊的那個他影響的範圍就有9個部落喔\n\n06:25.991 --> 06:54.940\n我是認為這九個部落到縣政府申請都會沒有辦法拿到我們所謂的上路的建造這些所以這個我就希望說是不是一個月內還是麻煩原民會談點一下有哪一些地方我們是遺漏掉的因為這一些族人他其實對自身的權益他不清楚不了解但是我覺得原民會作為我們的父母一定要在我們的前面就要先掌握到好不好那另外一個部分我有看到夜報\n\n06:56.980 --> 07:09.744\n說有9個公所在112年沒有提出這個什麼棄燃費做的這個部落養護道路的這個補助啊可以公佈一下是哪9個嗎這個細節是不是我們請處長跟委員說明\n\n07:15.759 --> 07:33.854\n報告委員大概9個部落主要包括去年的烏來像烏來它是都是都市計畫區像蘭嶼它整個都環島公路那像魚池鄉因為它部落範圍很小所以它沒有聯絡道路類似這樣子我目前舉13個那我們後面會後會有\n\n07:36.295 --> 07:50.201\n主委長是這樣我記得我在110年11月的質詢的時候像交通部還有後來的原民會我都有提到呢我說這筆錢得來不易啊那我是希望說不要用計劃式的申請\n\n07:51.121 --> 08:11.427\n我記得交通部長也好原民會也好你們都有答應我說要召集所有的原鄉來開會應該是按照他的公理數去做基準來分配所以我今天看到這樣子我就覺得有點驚訝表示說雖然在質詢台上這樣子答應我們可是好像事後也不是這麼做\n\n08:12.686 --> 08:27.864\n報告委員的確我們當初請所有鄉鎮公所提出申請我們並沒有排除只是他申請的需求是最後只有只有40幾個鄉鎮他提出來說他有這個經費需求我想我們還是回復到就是有沒有找各鄉來有\n\n08:29.346 --> 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