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00:02:34,932\n哪一個政黨講的話可以嗎?因為我不太...選舉過程當中一定都有對國會改革都是一個議題啦包括以前跟現在都有尤其這一次選舉也有那上次蔡總統在選舉的時候也對國會改革都作為在選舉過程的議題\n\n7\n00:02:37,653 --> 00:03:00,641\n這是2015年蔡英文當時總統候選人在她臉書上寫的一段話但她的主角叫做國民黨所以換位置換腦袋以前她在批評講說國民黨長期佔有國會多數但是現在八年過去了到底民進黨一黨獨大在立法院那麼多的一個席次國會改革改了什麼\n\n8\n00:03:01,929 --> 00:03:26,016\n我們現在一樣原封不動把2015年蔡英文總統候選人的話還給民進黨團還給現在長期執政的民進黨占國會多數到了選舉或說到了真的要被檢討的時候才講是說要拿出國會改革其實已經完全失信於民不要讓人家有所期待再來本席在這兩天也有提出來我們去查了一下\n\n9\n00:03:27,659 --> 00:03:50,300\n法國、英國、美國、日本、南韓等相關國家其實都有訂定不管是藐視國會罪不管是聽證權的相關法案甚至如果說我們的行政機關在國會做偽證的話可以處不管是罰還或是刑責的部分我想請教立法院有沒有做相關的資料研究\n\n10\n00:03:51,459 --> 00:03:51,579\n三）委員楊瓔\n\n11\n00:04:13,895 --> 00:04:29,055\n國會調查權行使權限相關法制延期,我想大概都有,包括剛才有蠻多委員對於各個國家的這個比較都有,裡面都有做一個分析,詳細的分析。\n\n12\n00:04:30,216 --> 00:04:59,374\n所以世界各民主國家我們剛剛提到這幾個民主國家相對來說其實也都是我們中華民國也希望見賢思齊見不賢而自省之嘛對不對所以也是認為過去這幾個國家民主國家裡面都有這相關的一個制定那也許我們過去之前這個行政部門沒有想到可以囂張蠻橫霸道霸權到這個程度所以在過去八年看到行政權長期凌駕立法權啊\n\n13\n00:05:00,094 --> 00:05:28,389\n甚至好像讓我們的這個民意代表變成很多民意代表變黨議代表所以現在是還權於民的時候民主黨本期最後再請教我今天我們這個禮拜三可能就會針對這個我們這一次的這個立法委員職權行使法以及刑法這邊來做一個主條的公聽會跟主條審查嘛以立法院的角度是不是都是尊重我們委員的一個見解\n\n14\n00:05:29,457 --> 00:05:50,735\n當然這個本來就是立法過程當然就是由委員決定了但以院方的角度當然是行政上會配合是立法院是行政配合嗎那如果說有這個行政部門行政權還是刻意阻撓刻意抗拒不提出版本或說認為是說不需要修正那這怎麼辦\n\n15\n00:05:54,194 --> 00:06:18,338\n呃（執權行使法大概行政院不會提版本啦。一定是我們院裡面自己的委員的提案。那刑法勒?刑法上這個長期來有些的情況是說一定要行政機關來的版本在並同審查也有。其實也不一定會有行政院的版本才能夠啟動這一個審議過程。是謝謝民主黨那最後\n\n16\n00:06:21,579 --> 00:06:48,301\n本席也在提還權於民三部曲第一部立法委員職權行使法第二部刑法修正以及我們第三部第十屆已經長得沸沸揚揚吹哨者保護法我們認為說是勢在必行第十屆的時候民進黨國民黨民眾黨時代力量四個黨團都有提出吹哨者保護法版本但是遲遲沒有看到政院版所以第十屆到最後沒有辦法在\n\n17\n00:06:49,021 --> 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