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00:02:29,261\n這個是在2019年12月的時候您召集會議要求台糖兩個月以內補正營農型專區計畫書這個營農型就是我們剛剛在講的農電共生我沒有理解錯吧對但是營農型它有一些小區塊的您剛才提的那個是大面積比較大所以您看一下這個會議上面除了您以外一個非常重要出席的叫做什麼台糖\n\n7\n00:02:31,994 --> 00:02:54,714\n對啦就是要台塘提啊所以就是在講我剛剛講的那一件事情啊你想起來了嗎就是當時來講就是請台塘去盤點是不是有剛才講就是20年因為種樹20年要renew嘛啊有一些樹就是怎麼樣種都種不好所以後來台塘決定要釋出是不是配合國家政策\n\n8\n00:03:01,557 --> 00:03:24,446\n2018年事實上在這之前張景生就已經主導了要求台塘釋出750公頃的農地而且還要安排廠商跟潘孟安簡報因為最大塊的全部都在屏東嘛來政委您看一下當時出席的廠商當時出席的廠商台塘嘛\n\n9\n00:03:26,091 --> 00:03:41,882\n聯合再生嘛就是我上次跟你講的嘛聯合再生用張景生當後台是怎麼在搞國家資源的啊我把所有發生事情的時間序啊全部都整理出來了結果2019年6月14號台台就頒布啊\n\n10\n00:03:46,363 --> 00:04:10,081\n配合業者辦理把他們的那些林地全部盤點出來全部都大面積的特別是在哪裡?屏東嘛所以那個時候張景生他為什麼要找你?因為你負責農電工生嘛他為什麼要找潘孟安?因為在屏東縣嘛所有事情的發生一定有他的原因\n\n11\n00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:29,480\n但我沒有辦法接受的是什麼我沒有辦法接受的事情是在搞農電共生這三個巨頭古聖輝洪傳憲蔡中榮三個全部都陰系的三個全部都陰系的\n\n12\n00:04:31,158 --> 00:04:57,131\n在跟台堂開會以前他們就已經開了會前會在圍標阿八家業者找來整個會議全部都他的三個什麼在主導他們三個是有什麼樣子的政治勢力阿可以左右國家的政策要台堂配合就配合就順從他們的意思以後\n\n13\n00:04:58,686 --> 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