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00:02:56,949\n對還有還好有所以我的第二個問題要問的是說可不可以我們做個整理有一個資訊的平台把鄰近的亞洲國家不一定是指中國這個把它相關的案件重毒案件我們做個整理然後該需要準備什麼標準品我們也做一個整理好不好\n\n9\n00:02:58,089 --> 00:03:14,216\n這可以來做了有沒有一個時間時間因為要整理要看很多文獻那這部分的話恐怕也不是我們這個食藥署的同仁就可以來附和的一定這種東西的話一定要請學界來幫忙那就是說\n\n10\n00:03:15,757 --> 00:03:43,927\n我們至少從現在開始要做啦不要說每次遇到一個新的就是說我們臺灣都沒有這個準備臺灣好像都被保護得很好但是鄰近國家如果有類似的這種病毒或細菌其實我們要預防啦不管是跟中國或是其他的國家委託學界來做這方面的一些設備啦至少建立一個平台起來啦但是這還是需要這沒關係至少現在開始去做需要哪些標準品不夠的就趕快要去買好不好\n\n11\n00:03:44,787 --> 00:04:06,245\n那第三個要請教就是說因為現在齁這個食材整體35件我聽這個王市長講齁都驗不出來都沒有驗出來那呢驗不出來那上一批的這個果條呢大家又吃下去了那你最後怎麼證明那就是這個上一批的果條出問題了我是擔心啊不要像這個臺中那一塊天選之肉\n\n12\n00:04:08,146 --> 00:04:10,688\n這個案子其實就是說最後偵查的結果會是什麼樣子我目前也還沒有辦法先下定論不過他還是會逐漸的縮小這個範圍也就是說\n\n13\n00:04:37,076 --> 00:05:04,540\n因為現在就是說那個口條嘛那現在我聽王市長講說有相關的條件現在就是要去培養說有沒有那個細菌出來但是你那個從這一個廚師在保存到他的一個烹調的過程當中到底是什麼樣的因素造成說可以產生這一個VA出來這個事情就是現在在調查的重點那並不一定\n\n14\n00:05:05,481 --> 00:05:12,394\n最後會有一個確定的答案因為這個已經事過境遷了那最快結果哪時候會知道勒這個\n\n15\n00:05:17,117 --> 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辛苦了那先請教一下這一次引起這個寶林茶室中毒事件的目前調查有可能是這個米酵菌酸嘛那我想部長我們可以先證明一下這個米酵菌酸跟米有沒有關係啊"},{"start":33.29,"end":52.185,"text":"事實上沒有太大的關係沒有關係嘛對不對可是因為是講米酵菌酸所以我們很多民眾現在對於米製品不管是貴亞、米台北很多米製品可能都會有一些心生恐懼我是想說今天開始之後我們關於這個米酵菌酸可不可以把它證明一下"},{"start":52.665,"end":54.006,"text":"我們在這裡開始就叫做BKA好不好"},{"start":76.042,"end":92.84,"text":"對啊,他的簡稱叫BKA啊BKA啊好,BKA,好還是說MAA,沒關係啦就至少不要一直重複講米,笑訓酸啦不然這樣吼,大家對這個吼這個大家會有點疑慮啊我也都那個名字我老是記不起來那你知道這個名稱是從哪裡來的?"},{"start":94.769,"end":113.156,"text":"這個翻譯是從中國來的因為中國之前有類似這個案子那我第二個要問就是說其實中國有這個類似的案子但是我們台灣對這個好像一無所知這是第一次那我是認為說不管是來自中國那還是說鄰近的亞洲的相關國家我們應該就對這一種"},{"start":114.876,"end":140.783,"text":"這也不算新型態的中毒案件了啦其實過去在中國或是像好像印尼都有那我是建議這個你們趕快找這個學者專家把這個鄰近的這個亞洲的國家那是不是有這種中毒的這個案例在臺灣沒有發生過的可不可以先做一個整理然後呢就是至少有一個資訊的平台大家先就是你們先有這個資訊平台知道說這個這個新型態的這一個"},{"start":144.064,"end":156.569,"text":"細菌、病毒需要什麼樣的標準體來做檢驗因為你說這第一次遇到好像我們沒有類似的標準體來做檢驗我上次上禮拜問你還說這個要兩個禮拜還好後來我們彰化的醫院"},{"start":160.391,"end":176.949,"text":"對 還有 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看起來就是目前是單一事件就是在這個寶林茶室那段時間有吃這個果條的那其他的沒有嘛 對不對目前是這樣子嘛至少讓民眾能夠放心是好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝"}]}}}}