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00:01:35,474\n上面的人不知道事情的真相等到出事捅出大窟窿啊政府就會出狀況主委贊不贊成賴準總統的態度這個案我不是很了解這個案你不是很了解他基本講他講的是一個態度的問題啊拿納稅人的公帑啊搞個人宣傳啊拍馬屁啊這個是一個基本態度的問題啊您贊不贊成跟委員報告這個這個案子我不清楚\n\n4\n00:01:35,919 --> 00:01:54,386\n好那來看一下你清楚的是什麼案子阿花145萬的公帑出你個人的成果專刊這是在拍誰的馬屁阿我們沒有拍任何人的馬屁來看一下品項名稱移將拔綠兒主任委員成果專刊勞務採購案今年預算執行的是嗎對在執行今年的預算不是去年的吧\n\n5\n00:02:05,894 --> 00:02:24,563\n這個是去年還是今年的是哪一年的預算都搞混啊相關的專刊出太多了嘛去年搞一本原民會八年施政成果專刊這我沒意見啊你把原民會八年做了什麼跟人民報告這個我贊成\n\n6\n00:02:26,651 --> 00:02:40,248\n這個我沒有意見去年出了一本八年施政成果專刊結果今年要再出一本一將八路的主任委員成果專刊主委你跟大家說明一下出這個專刊的必要性到底在哪裡\n\n7\n00:02:41,383 --> 00:03:01,243\n在宣傳原名還是在宣傳你個人當然不是我個人那上面不是掛你的名字嗎委員我們還沒有出版你還沒有看到內容這個只是採購案的名稱而已對啊你連採購案的名稱就這樣定喔所以這個採購案的名稱是隨便亂取的嗎沒有隨便啊對啊\n\n8\n00:03:02,384 --> 00:03:24,118\n第一任的主委哪一個標案第一任的主委哪一個標案是用主任委員自己的名字的成果專刊拍馬屁拍成這樣喔前主委都已經出訪過了委員我給你報告包括孫道昌委員所以前面的人怎麼幹你就可以怎麼幹嗎我們要怎麼幹啊那是我們原民會第一年的慣例啊來你去年\n\n9\n00:03:25,587 --> 00:03:43,012\n執行今年的預算嘛我翻了這本預算書啊我翻了老半天啊我看不出來啊這本預算書哪裡寫著要出你的專刊啊沒有啊來請教主委這一本你的專刊的預算是編在哪一個項目上編在哪一個項目下請說明\n\n10\n00:03:52,432 --> 00:03:56,313\n在哪一項來我預算書給你折好以後請拿來給我看現在卸任的官員除了原民會以外有哪一位其他的主委還是部長有出這個成果專刊的來請教主委\n\n11\n00:04:25,229 --> 00:04:37,455\n北斗部會我沒有辦法幫他們來說明但是你作為原民會的主委你覺得有必要出這個專刊是不是我們這個專刊從第一任主委到現在都第一任都有\n\n12\n00:04:39,002 --> 00:05:00,577\n所以你是巡禮辦理而已嗎?不用啊!我會有看到嘛!對嘛!所以我才拿馬政府那個時候賴清德的批評給你聽嘛!你如果什麼事情是前面的人要怎麼幹我就要怎麼幹!這一個漏期必須要有停止的一天這就是我的態度準準委的態度\n\n13\n00:05:03,666 --> 00:05:26,881\n你們的預算編出來了編在哪裡編在哪裡寫要出你的專刊指出來給大家看嘛如果去年上屆的國會在審預算的時候資本要出你的專刊預算還放行那是上屆國會的錯但我翻了半天我就是找不到你那個預算到底編在哪裡\n\n14\n00:05:30,768 --> 00:05:58,934\n讓國會的預算審查形同句文空洞的不得了項目寫這麼大錢過了以後愛怎麼搞就怎麼搞可以這樣喔委員這是我們27年來原民會一貫的業務作業我們都是依法來辦理的我再說明一次啦原民會作為一個機關要做施政成果報告我沒意見所以我負責任的把你的標案我全部都列出來了嘛\n\n15\n00:05:59,841 --> 00:06:27,560\n但除了原民會的施政成果報告還要搞主委個人的宣傳我老實講啦這筆錢納稅人不會支持納稅人不會支持但現在最嚴重的問題在哪裡大家在審預算的時候根本就不知道你要搞這個東西嘛讓國會的監督形同巨文嘛項目編得很粗\n\n16\n00:06:29,363 --> 00:06:33,185\n過了以後愛怎麼搞就怎麼搞可以這樣喔可以這樣嗎找到了沒有我預算書都提供給你們了到底是編在哪一個向下我非常好奇阿\n\n17\n00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:21,380\n推動原住民族政策法規制度處理族群關係及本會研考業務之規劃執行所需的經費我看不出來這個上下是要推動原住民族政策法規制度處理關係\n\n18\n00:07:23,935 --> 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