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手續能夠簡便，甚至也希望我們的政府部門能夠補助一些金額，好嗎？也提供給盧縣一委員，我們一起來參考，謝謝。","繼續我們請陳培瑜委員、陳培瑜委員、陳培瑜委員不在。","游顥委員、游顥委員、游顥委員不在。","顏寬恒委員、顏寬恒委員、顏寬恒委員不在。","請鄭天財Sra 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00:01:57,819\n對這個也是我們一直在努力希望這個業務團隊所以在吸引年輕人的部分可能就是因為這個名稱或者是他覺得他看不到願景就會招募不足所以常常在需要很多人表演的時候常常要聘請公讀生然後公讀生的訓練也不足所以造成應該有的表演呈現就不足對不對\n\n5\n00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:19,696\n謝謝委員的指教所以我希望如果你把策展人也列為以後的正式公務人員或者是我們的比較資深的舞者變成正式的一個專門技術人員任用變成正式的員額的時候會吸引更多人加入這樣一個行列對不對我們會正在努力希望這個業務團隊變成國家級的業務團隊那他的我們這個組織也希望多久之內可以達到\n\n6\n00:02:25,784 --> 00:02:31,155\n我們已經在努力希望你留任的時候你的任務能夠完成可以嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:32,925 --> 00:02:58,097\n我希望是在這個時候我們就把它推出去然後就是說希望整個這個業務團隊變成一個國家級的業務團隊整個組織做一個改變所以我希望在各國的一個高中或者是大學全省的大學或是高中能夠看到你們的招募的一個消息因為我其實很少看到你們在招募不過卻常常聽到說招募不足這樣一個消息出來\n\n8\n00:02:59,158 --> 00:03:11,653\n委員報告我們都有到各個大專業消息大仁科技大學、東華甚至於到輔仁大學甚至於在這個內浦農工來高中都有去做這樣一個招募的動作那有沒有給他們房租的補貼\n\n9\n00:03:13,795 --> 00:03:31,017\n防住的補貼沒有防住的補貼所以所以也是一個誘因啊第二個就是說如果他們到各地去表演的時候他們有沒有所謂的一個可以申請家出差或者是一個所謂的就是類似的一個家籍\n\n10\n00:03:32,674 --> 00:03:49,860\n因為這個是國家級的團隊是政府培養的團隊那如果是公益的這個表演當然就是說住宿啦我希望昨天能夠多多為他們生活上面的著想才會可以配合到足夠的人數好不好我跟委員報告齁\n\n11\n00:03:51,020 --> 00:04:14,730\n過去我還沒有去延期以前他們的這些團隊舞者的基本是都是在領基本工資我們要謝謝一教主委來了之後我們現在的這個團演的這個基本的工資至少都是3萬5以上甚至於比較優秀的都已經到5萬塊的一個經費好那謝謝你們的努力那我們希望朝更好的方向來前進好不好謝謝\n\n12\n00:04:16,371 --> 00:04:19,977\n接下來我要問的是關於臺東平地原住民的問題所以是請主委嗎可以好請一將主委\n\n13\n00:04:29,467 --> 00:04:52,147\n因為常常會看到臺東的排灣族他是居住在大武、大鳥這些地區的他明明是排灣族可是他的身份卻是平地原住民有沒有想辦法克服這個問題這麼多年來這個要修改相關的法令才可能會很困難嗎我來請處長跟你說明好不好\n\n14\n00:04:54,765 --> 00:05:20,886\n因為這個部分跟原住民身份法的整個法制使在民國35年先認定了山地原住民然後到民國45年開始認定平地原住民不是有沒有做過努力這個部分的話我們曾經在我們的原住民身份法過去曾經有規定過當地的人有沒有跟你們訴求過他想要改變有訴求過是啊有沒有做過努力我們曾經有修過身份法就是說遇到了什麼遇到了什麼困難\n\n15\n00:05:22,088 --> 00:05:38,709\n現在就是涉及到這整個因為山地原住民跟平地原住民當時是以30個山地項跟30個山地項以外來做區分是啊如果說他們確實還是有這份需求的話而且是人數好幾千甚至上萬的話是不是應該短期之內把它解決\n\n16\n00:05:40,670 --> 00:06:04,259\n你明明是排完組就不能投3D原住民立委這樣一個問題呈現明明是親戚因為他跟我不同的身份不是很奇怪嗎是不是想辦法解決如果不然就我們有時間來聊聊天第二個就是關於我們恆春有一個社頂社區恆春社頂社區他明明是排完組可是他卻沒有原住民的身份有沒有人提過這個問題\n\n17\n00:06:07,635 --> 00:06:33,316\n有有是齁也是一樣嗎也是卡在那個同樣的問題上面嗎所以他們就一併解決可以嗎好可以了齁那還有這次新竹市的一個山原跟平原的一個議員的席次的問題也就是說他雖然只有一席是平地原住民的議員不過他們新竹市的居住在新竹市的山地原住民非常多他們有那樣的身份可是沒有辦法投票\n\n18\n00:06:34,793 --> 00:06:47,182\n也就是說他雖然住在新竹市他可以有投票權可是他沒有那樣的一個議員他可以投也就是說他沒有辦法行使他的公民權有沒有想過這個問題怎麼解決\n\n19\n00:06:49,514 --> 00:06:52,955\n新竹市認為他們覺得很需要這一席有辦法短期內解決嗎\n\n20\n00:07:07,061 --> 00:07:35,422\n我覺得整體修法是才是可行的方法那我們就努力好不好如果你繼續留任的話我們一起努力好不好謝謝委員我要講的是接下來是就醫補助的問題就醫補助像多年來到現在沒有改善過文明是不是就醫補助處長好那跟委員報告一下那就醫補助現在按照法律規定是由因為我們一直希望能夠說就醫平權因為我們\n\n21\n00:07:36,533 --> 00:08:03,400\n我們都會的人他是住在醫院旁邊做捷運就可以去看病了我們是要拔山涉水啊就於補助的部分我希望能夠逐年的調升好嗎不要每次都要提案這樣子他可以做個比例嗎目前現在主管法規涉案是在衛福部那我可以再跟衛福部反映那做個浮動的一個就是說你在補助的時候不要每年都要提出申請我們生活到哪一個水準的時候他應該自動就要調高啊對不對\n\n22\n00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:24,941\n常常原住民要去看病的時候他還要請假家人要請假帶他去看病還要包車還要住在那裡那你覺得那個我們花的成本是多少也沒有人在計算非常的辛苦好不好然後有人跟我說他們需要洗身的地方可是地方政府就會說我們沒有那樣的預算可是他們可以確定一支兩億的針進來\n\n23\n00:08:26,883 --> 00:08:43,603\n那我們原住民的命就不是命嗎那需要洗腎的時候那些他們明明這個醫療院所是可以設置也沒有說很多錢那可是我們為什麼從來都不努力去盤點各個培養地區需要洗腎的人口是多少就算是三個人應該也要設一個洗腎室啊不是嗎\n\n24\n00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:59,824\n如果說你遇到颱風他還要到多會區洗腎欸好不好可以盤點嗎我希望能夠全省盤點特偏地區的一個洗腎的需求一個人洗腎也要給他做現在這一億的都可以買進來了對不對\n\n25\n00:09:02,867 --> 00:09:20,359\n政府不是沒有錢是我們不夠努力去盤點出來他們的需求幫他們想辦法不要以許勝擁有到擁有到兩個小時的時間來回然後這路上還會發生事情對不對好不好這是許勝的部分然後上次在交通貧窮有講到跟主委講過那個\n\n26\n00:09:21,940 --> 00:09:49,290\n明明山上的路很小可是他們用的車就那麼大所以我講我沒有多久那個桃園去的那個公車就掉到水溝裡面溜龜我的意思就是說你常常去偏遠地區去看可是都會去的人他不會去想說你的路很小還是可以那麼大的巴士然後你在199縣道你要匯車的時候你都快到快到那個山坡上面了就是那個我再講是牡丹那邊對不對你每次假日的時候又有重機又有那麼大型的遊覽車然後\n\n27\n00:09:50,811 --> 00:10:09,907\n一般人在那邊生活的人非常不安全所以你要考慮你這個地區你應該是限縮他那個巴士的那個大小因為現在也有小巴士啊好不好不然每次看到都是選項環生大家能夠注意到這個還有都會地區都會有每一區的運動中心可是你有想過烏來區有嗎\n\n28\n00:10:12,472 --> 00:10:33,290\n新義區有嗎?我所謂的新義鄉還有仁愛鄉有嗎?都沒有啊然後我們這邊是到處可見健身房然後國家還幫他們弄個運動中心我們鄉下連走路的地方都沒有是不是要規劃一個所謂的健康的設施或者運動的設施我們多努力好不好?好\n\n29\n00:10:34,531 --> 00:10:57,098\n因為健康都是很多都是從運動累積來的所以這個也是要相對的一個配套可以嗎好謝謝委員那麼關心嚴敏的健康的請時間到了嗎是嗎再兩個問題就好了好不好那個我們國土因為我有很高興參加3月26號在新竹辦的4月2號4月3號可能沒有時間然後這邊問一下處長\n\n30\n00:10:59,380 --> 00:11:14,478\n上次有很多收穫我還是希望跟全國原住民知道說我們也很關心這個問題好不好就是問題就是所謂的原鄉土地尚未辦保存登記的建物按現行建管法令如何取得建造實用製造的問題\n\n31\n00:11:19,651 --> 00:11:28,598\n報告委員按照目前的規定的話就是現成土地呢如果在77年以前它存在的話呢是可以輔導取得合法使用證明那這7年以後的話呢必須要補辦建造補辦嘛那費用呢\n\n32\n00:11:35,615 --> 00:12:03,162\n我們這費用部分的話它包括了不辦建造的話包括要請建築師重新畫那個建築的設計設計書圖我知道那有跟原住民的鄉親說費用大概多少嗎我們過去曾經過去曾經輔導新竹一個案例它一個一戶是6萬塊6萬塊對你覺得大部分的人都可以支付得了嗎的確有些家境不好的確那你會想辦法要怎麼解決\n\n33\n00:12:04,846 --> 00:12:22,432\n呃這部分我們有有過去曾經我們會放在這呃過去是我們用專案特那示範的案例來做處理那我們再研究這個也跟那個納入你們的考量重點好不好因為接下來是非常多的人需要做這方面的\n\n34\n00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:35,010\n最後一個問題就是我們的落入條款希望在原住民土地使用規則在那個裡面就是說你在辦理建物申請的時候不要有落入條款好不好\n\n35\n00:12:35,816 --> 00:12:36,737\n對於都會區3D原住民的參政權其實我們在地質法\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15109\t41252\t主席請文化園區主任我們有請文化園區主任你這樣主委先休息一下對我的用意是這樣主任好好委員好很難得在這邊碰面那很開心那不過就文化園區有一些我多年來的看見我想問你一下常常我都會聽到說園區聘請不到舞者你的想法是怎麼樣\n43447\t70345\t表演的舞者常常會聘請不到或者是說招募不足因為我們的地點跟委員報告是在屏東當然在都會期的中北部的因為他們考慮到他們的生活所以說比較不容易是薪水的業務不足嗎薪水也比一般的薪水高就是說我們的舞者比一般的這個是因為沒有前景嗎\n71417\t98022\t也不是沒有前景實在是因為在屏東你認為他們的前景在哪裡他們的前景我跟委員報告我們的舞者他所表演的是台灣唯一的原住民的傳統舞蹈那有沒有可能把文化園區的名稱改成國家級的一個名稱呢他現在的名稱很像很像延期太久了感受不到他是一個國家級的一個場域\n99631\t117819\t對 這個也是我們一直在努力希望這個業務團隊所以在吸引年輕人的部分可能就是因為這個名稱或者是他覺得他看不到願景就會招募不足所以常常在需要很多人表演的時候常常要聘請公讀生然後公讀生的訓練也不足所以造成應該有的表演呈現就不足 對不對\n118879\t139696\t謝謝委員的指教所以我希望如果你把策展人也列為以後的正式公務人員或者是我們的比較資深的舞者變成正式的一個專門技術人員任用變成正式的員額的時候會吸引更多人加入這樣一個行列對不對我們會正在努力希望這個業務團隊變成國家級的業務團隊那他的我們這個組織也希望多久之內可以達到\n145784\t151155\t我們已經在努力希望你留任的時候你的任務能夠完成可以嗎?\n152925\t178097\t我希望是在這個時候我們就把它推出去然後就是說希望整個這個業務團隊變成一個國家級的業務團隊整個組織做一個改變所以我希望在各國的一個高中或者是大學全省的大學或是高中能夠看到你們的招募的一個消息因為我其實很少看到你們在招募不過卻常常聽到說招募不足這樣一個消息出來\n179158\t191653\t委員報告我們都有到各個大專業消息大仁科技大學、東華甚至於到輔仁大學甚至於在這個內浦農工來高中都有去做這樣一個招募的動作那有沒有給他們房租的補貼\n193795\t211017\t防住的補貼沒有防住的補貼所以所以也是一個誘因啊第二個就是說如果他們到各地去表演的時候他們有沒有所謂的一個可以申請家出差或者是一個所謂的就是類似的一個家籍\n212674\t229860\t因為這個是國家級的團隊是政府培養的團隊那如果是公益的這個表演當然就是說住宿啦我希望昨天能夠多多為他們生活上面的著想才會可以配合到足夠的人數好不好我跟委員報告齁\n231020\t254730\t過去我還沒有去延期以前他們的這些團隊舞者的基本是都是在領基本工資我們要謝謝一教主委來了之後我們現在的這個團演的這個基本的工資至少都是3萬5以上甚至於比較優秀的都已經到5萬塊的一個經費好那謝謝你們的努力那我們希望朝更好的方向來前進好不好謝謝\n256371\t259977\t接下來我要問的是關於臺東平地原住民的問題所以是請主委嗎可以好請一將主委\n269467\t292147\t因為常常會看到臺東的排灣族他是居住在大武、大鳥這些地區的他明明是排灣族可是他的身份卻是平地原住民有沒有想辦法克服這個問題這麼多年來這個要修改相關的法令才可能會很困難嗎我來請處長跟你說明好不好\n294765\t320886\t因為這個部分跟原住民身份法的整個法制使在民國35年先認定了山地原住民然後到民國45年開始認定平地原住民不是有沒有做過努力這個部分的話我們曾經在我們的原住民身份法過去曾經有規定過當地的人有沒有跟你們訴求過他想要改變有訴求過是啊有沒有做過努力我們曾經有修過身份法就是說遇到了什麼遇到了什麼困難\n322088\t338709\t現在就是涉及到這整個因為山地原住民跟平地原住民當時是以30個山地項跟30個山地項以外來做區分是啊 如果說他們確實還是有這份需求的話而且是人數好幾千甚至上萬的話是不是應該短期之內把它解決\n340670\t364259\t你明明是排完組就不能投3D原住民立委這樣一個問題呈現明明是親戚因為他跟我不同的身份不是很奇怪嗎是不是想辦法解決如果不然就我們有時間來聊聊天第二個就是關於我們恆春有一個社頂社區恆春社頂社區他明明是排完組可是他卻沒有原住民的身份有沒有人提過這個問題\n367635\t393316\t有有是齁也是一樣嗎也是卡在那個同樣的問題上面嗎所以他們就一併解決可以嗎好可以了齁那還有這次新竹市的一個山原跟平原的一個議員的席次的問題也就是說他雖然只有一席是平地原住民的議員不過他們新竹市的居住在新竹市的山地原住民非常多他們有那樣的身份可是沒有辦法投票\n394793\t407182\t也就是說他雖然住在新竹市他可以有投票權可是他沒有那樣的一個議員他可以投也就是說他沒有辦法行使他的公民權有沒有想過這個問題怎麼解決\n409514\t412955\t新竹市認為他們覺得很需要這一席有辦法短期內解決嗎\n427061\t455422\t我覺得整體修法是才是可行的方法那我們就努力好不好如果你繼續留任的話我們一起努力好不好謝謝委員我要講的是接下來是就醫補助的問題就醫補助像多年來到現在沒有改善過文明是不是就醫補助處長好那跟委員報告一下那就醫補助現在按照法律規定是由因為我們一直希望能夠說就醫平權因為我們\n456533\t483400\t我們都會的人他是住在醫院旁邊做捷運就可以去看病了我們是要拔山涉水啊就於補助的部分我希望能夠逐年的調升好嗎不要每次都要提案這樣子他可以做個比例嗎目前現在主管法規涉案是在衛福部那我可以再跟衛福部反映那做個浮動的一個就是說你在補助的時候不要每年都要提出申請我們生活到哪一個水準的時候他應該自動就要調高啊對不對\n484600\t504941\t常常原住民要去看病的時候他還要請假家人要請假帶他去看病還要包車還要住在那裡那你覺得那個我們花的成本是多少也沒有人在計算非常的辛苦好不好然後有人跟我說他們需要洗身的地方可是地方政府就會說我們沒有那樣的預算可是他們可以確定一支兩億的針進來\n506883\t523603\t那我們原住民的命就不是命嗎那需要洗腎的時候那些他們明明這個醫療院所是可以設置也沒有說很多錢那可是我們為什麼從來都不努力去盤點各個培養地區需要洗腎的人口是多少就算是三個人應該也要設一個洗腎室啊不是嗎\n524224\t539824\t如果說你遇到颱風他還要到多會區洗腎欸好不好可以盤點嗎我希望能夠全省盤點特偏地區的一個洗腎的需求一個人洗腎也要給他做現在這一億的都可以買進來了對不對\n542867\t560359\t政府不是沒有錢是我們不夠努力去盤點出來他們的需求幫他們想辦法不要以許勝擁有到擁有到兩個小時的時間來回然後這路上還會發生事情對不對好不好這是許勝的部分然後上次在交通貧窮有講到跟主委講過那個\n561940\t589290\t明明山上的路很小可是他們用的車就那麼大所以我講我沒有多久那個桃園去的那個公車就掉到水溝裡面溜龜我的意思就是說你常常去偏遠地區去看可是都會去的人他不會去想說你的路很小還是可以那麼大的巴士然後你在199縣道你要匯車的時候你都快到快到那個山坡上面了就是那個我再講是牡丹那邊對不對你每次假日的時候又有重機又有那麼大型的遊覽車然後\n590811\t609907\t一般人在那邊生活的人非常不安全所以你要考慮你這個地區你應該是限縮他那個巴士的那個大小因為現在也有小巴士啊好不好不然每次看到都是選項環生大家能夠注意到這個還有都會地區都會有每一區的運動中心可是你有想過烏來區有嗎\n612472\t633290\t新義區有嗎?我所謂的新義鄉還有仁愛鄉有嗎?都沒有啊然後我們這邊是到處可見健身房然後國家還幫他們弄個運動中心我們鄉下連走路的地方都沒有是不是要規劃一個所謂的健康的設施或者運動的設施我們多努力好不好?好\n634531\t657098\t因為健康都是很多都是從運動累積來的所以這個也是要相對的一個配套可以嗎好謝謝委員那麼關心嚴敏的健康的請時間到了嗎是嗎再兩個問題就好了好不好那個我們國土因為我有很高興參加3月26號在新竹辦的4月2號4月3號可能沒有時間然後這邊問一下處長\n659380\t674478\t上次有很多收穫我還是希望跟全國原住民知道說我們也很關心這個問題好不好就是問題就是所謂的原鄉土地尚未辦保存登記的建物按現行建管法令如何取得建造實用製造的問題\n679651\t688598\t報告委員按照目前的規定的話就是現成土地呢如果在77年以前它存在的話呢是可以輔導取得合法使用證明那這7年以後的話呢必須要補辦建造補辦嘛那費用呢\n695615\t723162\t我們這費用部分的話它包括了不辦建造的話包括要請建築師重新畫那個建築的設計設計書圖我知道那有跟原住民的鄉親說費用大概多少嗎我們過去曾經過去曾經輔導新竹一個案例它一個一戶是6萬塊6萬塊對你覺得大部分的人都可以支付得了嗎的確有些家境不好的確那你會想辦法要怎麼解決\n724846\t742432\t呃這部分我們有有過去曾經我們會放在這呃過去是我們用專案特那示範的案例來做處理那我們再研究這個也跟那個納入你們的考量重點好不好因為接下來是非常多的人需要做這方面的\n744034\t755010\t最後一個問題就是我們的落入條款希望在原住民土地使用規則在那個裡面就是說你在辦理建物申請的時候不要有落入條款好不好\n755816\t756737\t對於都會區3D原住民的參政權其實我們在地質法\n","txt":"主席請文化園區主任我們有請文化園區主任你這樣主委先休息一下對我的用意是這樣主任好好委員好很難得在這邊碰面那很開心那不過就文化園區有一些我多年來的看見我想問你一下常常我都會聽到說園區聘請不到舞者你的想法是怎麼樣\n表演的舞者常常會聘請不到或者是說招募不足因為我們的地點跟委員報告是在屏東當然在都會期的中北部的因為他們考慮到他們的生活所以說比較不容易是薪水的業務不足嗎薪水也比一般的薪水高就是說我們的舞者比一般的這個是因為沒有前景嗎\n也不是沒有前景實在是因為在屏東你認為他們的前景在哪裡他們的前景我跟委員報告我們的舞者他所表演的是台灣唯一的原住民的傳統舞蹈那有沒有可能把文化園區的名稱改成國家級的一個名稱呢他現在的名稱很像很像延期太久了感受不到他是一個國家級的一個場域\n對 這個也是我們一直在努力希望這個業務團隊所以在吸引年輕人的部分可能就是因為這個名稱或者是他覺得他看不到願景就會招募不足所以常常在需要很多人表演的時候常常要聘請公讀生然後公讀生的訓練也不足所以造成應該有的表演呈現就不足 對不對\n謝謝委員的指教所以我希望如果你把策展人也列為以後的正式公務人員或者是我們的比較資深的舞者變成正式的一個專門技術人員任用變成正式的員額的時候會吸引更多人加入這樣一個行列對不對我們會正在努力希望這個業務團隊變成國家級的業務團隊那他的我們這個組織也希望多久之內可以達到\n我們已經在努力希望你留任的時候你的任務能夠完成可以嗎?\n我希望是在這個時候我們就把它推出去然後就是說希望整個這個業務團隊變成一個國家級的業務團隊整個組織做一個改變所以我希望在各國的一個高中或者是大學全省的大學或是高中能夠看到你們的招募的一個消息因為我其實很少看到你們在招募不過卻常常聽到說招募不足這樣一個消息出來\n委員報告我們都有到各個大專業消息大仁科技大學、東華甚至於到輔仁大學甚至於在這個內浦農工來高中都有去做這樣一個招募的動作那有沒有給他們房租的補貼\n防住的補貼沒有防住的補貼所以所以也是一個誘因啊第二個就是說如果他們到各地去表演的時候他們有沒有所謂的一個可以申請家出差或者是一個所謂的就是類似的一個家籍\n因為這個是國家級的團隊是政府培養的團隊那如果是公益的這個表演當然就是說住宿啦我希望昨天能夠多多為他們生活上面的著想才會可以配合到足夠的人數好不好我跟委員報告齁\n過去我還沒有去延期以前他們的這些團隊舞者的基本是都是在領基本工資我們要謝謝一教主委來了之後我們現在的這個團演的這個基本的工資至少都是3萬5以上甚至於比較優秀的都已經到5萬塊的一個經費好那謝謝你們的努力那我們希望朝更好的方向來前進好不好謝謝\n接下來我要問的是關於臺東平地原住民的問題所以是請主委嗎可以好請一將主委\n因為常常會看到臺東的排灣族他是居住在大武、大鳥這些地區的他明明是排灣族可是他的身份卻是平地原住民有沒有想辦法克服這個問題這麼多年來這個要修改相關的法令才可能會很困難嗎我來請處長跟你說明好不好\n因為這個部分跟原住民身份法的整個法制使在民國35年先認定了山地原住民然後到民國45年開始認定平地原住民不是有沒有做過努力這個部分的話我們曾經在我們的原住民身份法過去曾經有規定過當地的人有沒有跟你們訴求過他想要改變有訴求過是啊有沒有做過努力我們曾經有修過身份法就是說遇到了什麼遇到了什麼困難\n現在就是涉及到這整個因為山地原住民跟平地原住民當時是以30個山地項跟30個山地項以外來做區分是啊 如果說他們確實還是有這份需求的話而且是人數好幾千甚至上萬的話是不是應該短期之內把它解決\n你明明是排完組就不能投3D原住民立委這樣一個問題呈現明明是親戚因為他跟我不同的身份不是很奇怪嗎是不是想辦法解決如果不然就我們有時間來聊聊天第二個就是關於我們恆春有一個社頂社區恆春社頂社區他明明是排完組可是他卻沒有原住民的身份有沒有人提過這個問題\n有有是齁也是一樣嗎也是卡在那個同樣的問題上面嗎所以他們就一併解決可以嗎好可以了齁那還有這次新竹市的一個山原跟平原的一個議員的席次的問題也就是說他雖然只有一席是平地原住民的議員不過他們新竹市的居住在新竹市的山地原住民非常多他們有那樣的身份可是沒有辦法投票\n也就是說他雖然住在新竹市他可以有投票權可是他沒有那樣的一個議員他可以投也就是說他沒有辦法行使他的公民權有沒有想過這個問題怎麼解決\n新竹市認為他們覺得很需要這一席有辦法短期內解決嗎\n我覺得整體修法是才是可行的方法那我們就努力好不好如果你繼續留任的話我們一起努力好不好謝謝委員我要講的是接下來是就醫補助的問題就醫補助像多年來到現在沒有改善過文明是不是就醫補助處長好那跟委員報告一下那就醫補助現在按照法律規定是由因為我們一直希望能夠說就醫平權因為我們\n我們都會的人他是住在醫院旁邊做捷運就可以去看病了我們是要拔山涉水啊就於補助的部分我希望能夠逐年的調升好嗎不要每次都要提案這樣子他可以做個比例嗎目前現在主管法規涉案是在衛福部那我可以再跟衛福部反映那做個浮動的一個就是說你在補助的時候不要每年都要提出申請我們生活到哪一個水準的時候他應該自動就要調高啊對不對\n常常原住民要去看病的時候他還要請假家人要請假帶他去看病還要包車還要住在那裡那你覺得那個我們花的成本是多少也沒有人在計算非常的辛苦好不好然後有人跟我說他們需要洗身的地方可是地方政府就會說我們沒有那樣的預算可是他們可以確定一支兩億的針進來\n那我們原住民的命就不是命嗎那需要洗腎的時候那些他們明明這個醫療院所是可以設置也沒有說很多錢那可是我們為什麼從來都不努力去盤點各個培養地區需要洗腎的人口是多少就算是三個人應該也要設一個洗腎室啊不是嗎\n如果說你遇到颱風他還要到多會區洗腎欸好不好可以盤點嗎我希望能夠全省盤點特偏地區的一個洗腎的需求一個人洗腎也要給他做現在這一億的都可以買進來了對不對\n政府不是沒有錢是我們不夠努力去盤點出來他們的需求幫他們想辦法不要以許勝擁有到擁有到兩個小時的時間來回然後這路上還會發生事情對不對好不好這是許勝的部分然後上次在交通貧窮有講到跟主委講過那個\n明明山上的路很小可是他們用的車就那麼大所以我講我沒有多久那個桃園去的那個公車就掉到水溝裡面溜龜我的意思就是說你常常去偏遠地區去看可是都會去的人他不會去想說你的路很小還是可以那麼大的巴士然後你在199縣道你要匯車的時候你都快到快到那個山坡上面了就是那個我再講是牡丹那邊對不對你每次假日的時候又有重機又有那麼大型的遊覽車然後\n一般人在那邊生活的人非常不安全所以你要考慮你這個地區你應該是限縮他那個巴士的那個大小因為現在也有小巴士啊好不好不然每次看到都是選項環生大家能夠注意到這個還有都會地區都會有每一區的運動中心可是你有想過烏來區有嗎\n新義區有嗎?我所謂的新義鄉還有仁愛鄉有嗎?都沒有啊然後我們這邊是到處可見健身房然後國家還幫他們弄個運動中心我們鄉下連走路的地方都沒有是不是要規劃一個所謂的健康的設施或者運動的設施我們多努力好不好?好\n因為健康都是很多都是從運動累積來的所以這個也是要相對的一個配套可以嗎好謝謝委員那麼關心嚴敏的健康的請時間到了嗎是嗎再兩個問題就好了好不好那個我們國土因為我有很高興參加3月26號在新竹辦的4月2號4月3號可能沒有時間然後這邊問一下處長\n上次有很多收穫我還是希望跟全國原住民知道說我們也很關心這個問題好不好就是問題就是所謂的原鄉土地尚未辦保存登記的建物按現行建管法令如何取得建造實用製造的問題\n報告委員按照目前的規定的話就是現成土地呢如果在77年以前它存在的話呢是可以輔導取得合法使用證明那這7年以後的話呢必須要補辦建造補辦嘛那費用呢\n我們這費用部分的話它包括了不辦建造的話包括要請建築師重新畫那個建築的設計設計書圖我知道那有跟原住民的鄉親說費用大概多少嗎我們過去曾經過去曾經輔導新竹一個案例它一個一戶是6萬塊6萬塊對你覺得大部分的人都可以支付得了嗎的確有些家境不好的確那你會想辦法要怎麼解決\n呃這部分我們有有過去曾經我們會放在這呃過去是我們用專案特那示範的案例來做處理那我們再研究這個也跟那個納入你們的考量重點好不好因為接下來是非常多的人需要做這方面的\n最後一個問題就是我們的落入條款希望在原住民土地使用規則在那個裡面就是說你在辦理建物申請的時候不要有落入條款好不好\n對於都會區3D原住民的參政權其實我們在地質法\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.109 --> 00:41.252\n主席請文化園區主任我們有請文化園區主任你這樣主委先休息一下對我的用意是這樣主任好好委員好很難得在這邊碰面那很開心那不過就文化園區有一些我多年來的看見我想問你一下常常我都會聽到說園區聘請不到舞者你的想法是怎麼樣\n\n00:43.447 --> 01:10.345\n表演的舞者常常會聘請不到或者是說招募不足因為我們的地點跟委員報告是在屏東當然在都會期的中北部的因為他們考慮到他們的生活所以說比較不容易是薪水的業務不足嗎薪水也比一般的薪水高就是說我們的舞者比一般的這個是因為沒有前景嗎\n\n01:11.417 --> 01:38.022\n也不是沒有前景實在是因為在屏東你認為他們的前景在哪裡他們的前景我跟委員報告我們的舞者他所表演的是台灣唯一的原住民的傳統舞蹈那有沒有可能把文化園區的名稱改成國家級的一個名稱呢他現在的名稱很像很像延期太久了感受不到他是一個國家級的一個場域\n\n01:39.631 --> 01:57.819\n對這個也是我們一直在努力希望這個業務團隊所以在吸引年輕人的部分可能就是因為這個名稱或者是他覺得他看不到願景就會招募不足所以常常在需要很多人表演的時候常常要聘請公讀生然後公讀生的訓練也不足所以造成應該有的表演呈現就不足對不對\n\n01:58.879 --> 02:19.696\n謝謝委員的指教所以我希望如果你把策展人也列為以後的正式公務人員或者是我們的比較資深的舞者變成正式的一個專門技術人員任用變成正式的員額的時候會吸引更多人加入這樣一個行列對不對我們會正在努力希望這個業務團隊變成國家級的業務團隊那他的我們這個組織也希望多久之內可以達到\n\n02:25.784 --> 02:31.155\n我們已經在努力希望你留任的時候你的任務能夠完成可以嗎?\n\n02:32.925 --> 02:58.097\n我希望是在這個時候我們就把它推出去然後就是說希望整個這個業務團隊變成一個國家級的業務團隊整個組織做一個改變所以我希望在各國的一個高中或者是大學全省的大學或是高中能夠看到你們的招募的一個消息因為我其實很少看到你們在招募不過卻常常聽到說招募不足這樣一個消息出來\n\n02:59.158 --> 03:11.653\n委員報告我們都有到各個大專業消息大仁科技大學、東華甚至於到輔仁大學甚至於在這個內浦農工來高中都有去做這樣一個招募的動作那有沒有給他們房租的補貼\n\n03:13.795 --> 03:31.017\n防住的補貼沒有防住的補貼所以所以也是一個誘因啊第二個就是說如果他們到各地去表演的時候他們有沒有所謂的一個可以申請家出差或者是一個所謂的就是類似的一個家籍\n\n03:32.674 --> 03:49.860\n因為這個是國家級的團隊是政府培養的團隊那如果是公益的這個表演當然就是說住宿啦我希望昨天能夠多多為他們生活上面的著想才會可以配合到足夠的人數好不好我跟委員報告齁\n\n03:51.020 --> 04:14.730\n過去我還沒有去延期以前他們的這些團隊舞者的基本是都是在領基本工資我們要謝謝一教主委來了之後我們現在的這個團演的這個基本的工資至少都是3萬5以上甚至於比較優秀的都已經到5萬塊的一個經費好那謝謝你們的努力那我們希望朝更好的方向來前進好不好謝謝\n\n04:16.371 --> 04:19.977\n接下來我要問的是關於臺東平地原住民的問題所以是請主委嗎可以好請一將主委\n\n04:29.467 --> 04:52.147\n因為常常會看到臺東的排灣族他是居住在大武、大鳥這些地區的他明明是排灣族可是他的身份卻是平地原住民有沒有想辦法克服這個問題這麼多年來這個要修改相關的法令才可能會很困難嗎我來請處長跟你說明好不好\n\n04:54.765 --> 05:20.886\n因為這個部分跟原住民身份法的整個法制使在民國35年先認定了山地原住民然後到民國45年開始認定平地原住民不是有沒有做過努力這個部分的話我們曾經在我們的原住民身份法過去曾經有規定過當地的人有沒有跟你們訴求過他想要改變有訴求過是啊有沒有做過努力我們曾經有修過身份法就是說遇到了什麼遇到了什麼困難\n\n05:22.088 --> 05:38.709\n現在就是涉及到這整個因為山地原住民跟平地原住民當時是以30個山地項跟30個山地項以外來做區分是啊如果說他們確實還是有這份需求的話而且是人數好幾千甚至上萬的話是不是應該短期之內把它解決\n\n05:40.670 --> 06:04.259\n你明明是排完組就不能投3D原住民立委這樣一個問題呈現明明是親戚因為他跟我不同的身份不是很奇怪嗎是不是想辦法解決如果不然就我們有時間來聊聊天第二個就是關於我們恆春有一個社頂社區恆春社頂社區他明明是排完組可是他卻沒有原住民的身份有沒有人提過這個問題\n\n06:07.635 --> 06:33.316\n有有是齁也是一樣嗎也是卡在那個同樣的問題上面嗎所以他們就一併解決可以嗎好可以了齁那還有這次新竹市的一個山原跟平原的一個議員的席次的問題也就是說他雖然只有一席是平地原住民的議員不過他們新竹市的居住在新竹市的山地原住民非常多他們有那樣的身份可是沒有辦法投票\n\n06:34.793 --> 06:47.182\n也就是說他雖然住在新竹市他可以有投票權可是他沒有那樣的一個議員他可以投也就是說他沒有辦法行使他的公民權有沒有想過這個問題怎麼解決\n\n06:49.514 --> 06:52.955\n新竹市認為他們覺得很需要這一席有辦法短期內解決嗎\n\n07:07.061 --> 07:35.422\n我覺得整體修法是才是可行的方法那我們就努力好不好如果你繼續留任的話我們一起努力好不好謝謝委員我要講的是接下來是就醫補助的問題就醫補助像多年來到現在沒有改善過文明是不是就醫補助處長好那跟委員報告一下那就醫補助現在按照法律規定是由因為我們一直希望能夠說就醫平權因為我們\n\n07:36.533 --> 08:03.400\n我們都會的人他是住在醫院旁邊做捷運就可以去看病了我們是要拔山涉水啊就於補助的部分我希望能夠逐年的調升好嗎不要每次都要提案這樣子他可以做個比例嗎目前現在主管法規涉案是在衛福部那我可以再跟衛福部反映那做個浮動的一個就是說你在補助的時候不要每年都要提出申請我們生活到哪一個水準的時候他應該自動就要調高啊對不對\n\n08:04.600 --> 08:24.941\n常常原住民要去看病的時候他還要請假家人要請假帶他去看病還要包車還要住在那裡那你覺得那個我們花的成本是多少也沒有人在計算非常的辛苦好不好然後有人跟我說他們需要洗身的地方可是地方政府就會說我們沒有那樣的預算可是他們可以確定一支兩億的針進來\n\n08:26.883 --> 08:43.603\n那我們原住民的命就不是命嗎那需要洗腎的時候那些他們明明這個醫療院所是可以設置也沒有說很多錢那可是我們為什麼從來都不努力去盤點各個培養地區需要洗腎的人口是多少就算是三個人應該也要設一個洗腎室啊不是嗎\n\n08:44.224 --> 08:59.824\n如果說你遇到颱風他還要到多會區洗腎欸好不好可以盤點嗎我希望能夠全省盤點特偏地區的一個洗腎的需求一個人洗腎也要給他做現在這一億的都可以買進來了對不對\n\n09:02.867 --> 09:20.359\n政府不是沒有錢是我們不夠努力去盤點出來他們的需求幫他們想辦法不要以許勝擁有到擁有到兩個小時的時間來回然後這路上還會發生事情對不對好不好這是許勝的部分然後上次在交通貧窮有講到跟主委講過那個\n\n09:21.940 --> 09:49.290\n明明山上的路很小可是他們用的車就那麼大所以我講我沒有多久那個桃園去的那個公車就掉到水溝裡面溜龜我的意思就是說你常常去偏遠地區去看可是都會去的人他不會去想說你的路很小還是可以那麼大的巴士然後你在199縣道你要匯車的時候你都快到快到那個山坡上面了就是那個我再講是牡丹那邊對不對你每次假日的時候又有重機又有那麼大型的遊覽車然後\n\n09:50.811 --> 10:09.907\n一般人在那邊生活的人非常不安全所以你要考慮你這個地區你應該是限縮他那個巴士的那個大小因為現在也有小巴士啊好不好不然每次看到都是選項環生大家能夠注意到這個還有都會地區都會有每一區的運動中心可是你有想過烏來區有嗎\n\n10:12.472 --> 10:33.290\n新義區有嗎?我所謂的新義鄉還有仁愛鄉有嗎?都沒有啊然後我們這邊是到處可見健身房然後國家還幫他們弄個運動中心我們鄉下連走路的地方都沒有是不是要規劃一個所謂的健康的設施或者運動的設施我們多努力好不好?好\n\n10:34.531 --> 10:57.098\n因為健康都是很多都是從運動累積來的所以這個也是要相對的一個配套可以嗎好謝謝委員那麼關心嚴敏的健康的請時間到了嗎是嗎再兩個問題就好了好不好那個我們國土因為我有很高興參加3月26號在新竹辦的4月2號4月3號可能沒有時間然後這邊問一下處長\n\n10:59.380 --> 11:14.478\n上次有很多收穫我還是希望跟全國原住民知道說我們也很關心這個問題好不好就是問題就是所謂的原鄉土地尚未辦保存登記的建物按現行建管法令如何取得建造實用製造的問題\n\n11:19.651 --> 11:28.598\n報告委員按照目前的規定的話就是現成土地呢如果在77年以前它存在的話呢是可以輔導取得合法使用證明那這7年以後的話呢必須要補辦建造補辦嘛那費用呢\n\n11:35.615 --> 12:03.162\n我們這費用部分的話它包括了不辦建造的話包括要請建築師重新畫那個建築的設計設計書圖我知道那有跟原住民的鄉親說費用大概多少嗎我們過去曾經過去曾經輔導新竹一個案例它一個一戶是6萬塊6萬塊對你覺得大部分的人都可以支付得了嗎的確有些家境不好的確那你會想辦法要怎麼解決\n\n12:04.846 --> 12:22.432\n呃這部分我們有有過去曾經我們會放在這呃過去是我們用專案特那示範的案例來做處理那我們再研究這個也跟那個納入你們的考量重點好不好因為接下來是非常多的人需要做這方面的\n\n12:24.034 --> 12:35.010\n最後一個問題就是我們的落入條款希望在原住民土地使用規則在那個裡面就是說你在辦理建物申請的時候不要有落入條款好不好\n\n12:35.816 --> 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