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00:00:45,753\n部長想先請教你們最近工作時數有沒有變比較長因為食安事件的關係我們一向都很長一向都很長那我們衛福部跟食藥署的公務人員晚上有沒有加班比方我看你們3月26號晚上跟臺北市政府聯合機場都八九點的時候加班是經常的事加班是經常的事喔好我們看一下這個照片好不好我也以為你們加班是很經常的事情結果沒有想到我們的王必勝次長在3月29號的晚上\n\n3\n00:00:48,334 --> 00:01:05,859\n原來他還有空這個到變形蟲爵士樂團去唱唱跳跳那地方雞茶園苦不堪言半年來五大食安議題那包含是從雞蛋啊然後這個希普特羅啊然後一路到了蘇丹紅跟這個哇這次的寶林案\n\n4\n00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:21,487\n在3月29號的晚上王必勝次長還在這邊跟大家拍大合照在這個現場唱唱跳跳的談笑風生我想問一下部長您覺得這樣子的社會觀感好嗎\n\n5\n00:01:22,859 --> 00:01:29,526\n非公務的玩樂行程在下班之餘如果不在乎社會觀感的話那我也尊重我尊重盡量去玩大家都去玩好了齁\n\n6\n00:01:42,861 --> 00:01:59,502\n但是我們也發現相關的圖片應該要做事的還是要做事但是你看啊這對你們很不公平你們都說你們經常性的加班然後都很辛苦我也知道我們衛福部食藥署還有地方的機場人都很辛苦所以看到這個畫面的時候嚇一跳\n\n7\n00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:22,786\n王次長如果他自己覺得這是我下班之後我想去哪去哪我尊重但我們也發現相關的圖片已經刪掉一些只剩下一張這個大合照隱藏在這個臉書裡面那我想如果他們覺得沒有問題的話應該就不需要刪文了我想這種照片會露出來的話是很奇怪沒有他們樂團自己PO的\n\n8\n00:02:25,509 --> 00:02:45,128\n對啊,這個樂團自己PO他只是做他的一個廣告嘛對,但我問的是說我不是說他不能PO照片我是說這個時候還去其實我知道很多包含是地方政府的重要首長現在也都晚間時間因為因應這兩條人命社會觀感來說很多行程也都會考量社會觀感但\n\n9\n00:02:46,129 --> 00:03:01,353\n王必勝市長他對於社會觀感的認知如何我完全尊重我完全尊重我只是提出來覺得這個很奇怪那臺北市的我覺得很奇怪你可以覺得不奇怪這個我沒有意見但是我覺得追究這種事情是也是\n\n10\n00:03:01,513 --> 00:03:23,601\n沒有沒有追究沒有追究我只是很好奇說在這個時間點上我們的次長還跑去這個吃吃喝喝玩玩樂樂他們對於社會觀感的理解可能跟我們一般民眾來說是很不一樣的尤其像我們不管是臺北市或是新北市的稽查人員最近的離職率都很高因為大家的工作很辛苦最後我想問一下強制食品安全責任保險法的問題\n\n11\n00:03:25,161 --> 00:03:46,519\n剛才這個衛福部長也說到了交代食藥署在非燈不可系統當中加注產品責任險的到期時間並且在到期一個月前跳出警示提醒地方政府察覺那你們說會在一個禮拜之內完成一個月之內完成可是這個系統目前就我的了解\n\n12\n00:03:47,059 --> 00:04:07,069\n他的後台資料只有衛福部有權限可以統一的去撈取如果地方政府這是我剛才去查核的結果地方政府只能針對個別的廠商點選資料他沒有系統性的比如說我們針對好這個所謂的保險時間超過的部分一次性的撈否則的話要透過像\n\n13\n00:04:07,869 --> 00:04:35,561\n呃,承辦人跟局長的雙重確認請問這個問題後續會處理嗎?對,所以優化這個系統的時候就是必須要讓地方可以看得到所以現在還不行嗎?現在是單筆嘛所以我們現在是希望就是說為了這一個系統優化之後一定要讓地方能夠看得到不然這一個控制就沒有太大意義這一點特別強調是因為剛才我看到您說的之後我開始去向各個地方政府去查核\n\n14\n00:04:36,341 --> 00:04:50,414\n發現他們都對您剛剛的說法非常的憂心因為如果系統沒有大規模的改正的話只能單筆單筆看這無異於是要讓這個地方政府針對6萬家一家一家的看所有項目有沒有問題這個我們會處理的不會說要他一家一家去確認說但是因為現在是這樣嗎\n\n15\n00:04:56,539 --> 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