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--> 00:01:15,870\n目前工程會有一個公共工程競取工地防災減災的作為要點換句話說它事實上有一些要求工程主辦都要做的事情包括剛才委員所提的事前的預防跟事後的這個\n\n5\n00:01:17,271 --> 00:01:18,813\n副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副\n\n6\n00:01:36,553 --> 00:02:00,285\n就是在中央的部分地方我們現在也針對地方橋樑已經開始做一個評鑑的工作那這個意思是說過去在地方政府有些橋樑是比較危險的我們現在也透過這個減修率跟維修率的這個評鑑每年辦這個這樣一個評鑑來公布不知道我有看到幾乎都是在每年的3月跟4月份那除了3月份4月份之外呢\n\n7\n00:02:01,466 --> 00:02:16,688\n平常就是有這樣定檢信息檢有一個更這個準備演練還有相關的工作如果在有災害的時候預防也有做如果事後也有一個特殊的一個檢查\n\n8\n00:02:17,509 --> 00:02:30,054\n好那部長這邊我要以那個捷運山陰線延伸至巴德為例那先請問部長行政院何時可以核定那之前講核定之後是9年9年後可以完工那有沒有納入天氣的變因\n\n9\n00:02:32,865 --> 00:03:00,738\n我們現在的公共工程基本上就是以強韌一定要比如說這個尤其地震這個部分一定要來進行那整個這個部分稍微補充一下就是有關臺灣特別是臺灣的這個氣候變遷的過去現在到未來這個部分氣象署跟這個國科會還有NCDR在海防救科技中心其實有一個計畫在進行\n\n10\n00:03:01,818 --> 00:03:11,981\n那要提供在臺灣的這個所有的這個從過去到未來相關的現象那因為臺灣地形非常複雜有很多很細的那這邊部長先請部長回答就是我們這邊以捷運3銀線延伸至8的為例\n\n11\n00:03:20,524 --> 00:03:48,713\n對,318的在那個交通部已經中華國家審查通過然後目前這個新北市政府正在修正這個計畫我們目前就是121年完工了121年對,民國121年那後續當然就是新的部分我們都按照比如說防震的這個規定OK,用納入防震那極端氣候下對這些辛苦投入的勞工朋友們他們的職業安全之保障\n\n12\n00:03:52,258 --> 00:04:14,904\n我們就按照這個相關的規定來辦理這邊要請教部長那極端氣候下對於國道還有公路鐵路遇到強震剛才部長有提到強震還有颱風的安全情形那我想這邊請教部長應變的搶救作為因為我們這邊稍早提到預防那這邊我們如果遇到就是灘塌事故的搶救作為\n\n13\n00:04:16,104 --> 00:04:27,314\n有什麼計畫嗎?這個我們有一個應變的計畫就是說如果發生比如說斷橋或是邊坡崩塌我們有我們相關的一個應變的計畫來執行包括就是說交通維持\n\n14\n00:04:32,699 --> 00:04:34,781\n昨天的短暫的豪雨那如果接下來遇到超豪大雨那又會是什麼樣的情況?\n\n15\n00:04:58,540 --> 00:05:21,462\n的確因為兩個航廈真的都很久了但是這不是理由我是覺得他們現在3月25號已經動工就是一、二航廈的這個屋頂防水系這個建設已經開始動工了我是希望他這一次做一個更徹底的檢查就是說不要在某一些降雨的狀況就會發生落水的一個狀況\n\n16\n00:05:22,571 --> 00:05:48,656\n我想這部分的確我們台灣基產公司他現在已經有這個計畫我也要求他們一定要落實那有沒有要求驗收的單位確實做到就是在明年的話不會再發生同樣的情形董事長說是非常謝謝委員今年的這個公選是整個把過去的一行下二行下我們在過去的觀察到的這些漏水點的記錄全部都已經很清楚\n\n17\n00:05:49,296 --> 00:06:16,156\n那這一次的處理是全面的把所有有可能有接縫點的這些填縫器要全部再做修補因為最主要的問題出現在填縫器另外就是航廈之間它有一些可能是在屋頂上的一些集水系統那個部分問題比較少那現在最不容易處理的是在強風豪雨的時候風速很大把這些水從填縫器的那些隙縫帶出來那這個部分是我們現在要改善的目標\n\n18\n00:06:16,956 --> 00:06:18,999\n謝謝董事長這邊要請光光署長周署長\n\n19\n00:06:27,645 --> 00:06:49,681\n委員好署長好在3月6號交通部的業務報告中本席有問過署長部長說不管今年入客會不會來都希望可以達到1200萬人次這個是怎麼算出來的因為本席有向觀光署就是提要求書面資料那3月14號書面回覆第一季預估是190萬人那今天部長有提到這個數字是195萬人\n\n20\n00:06:51,502 --> 00:07:08,556\n如果照這個預估的話今年可能連一千萬人次都沒有辦法達到那上週五周署長您也對媒體說談論下半年如果入客沒有開放的話那這個一千萬人次根本沒有辦法達到的那也有業者質疑說如果下修到一千萬人次\n\n21\n00:07:09,537 --> 00:07:10,638\n今天是4月1號那掌握到的第一季出境旅客人數統計\n\n22\n00:07:30,228 --> 00:07:43,775\n市委跟委員報告一下其實我們都不應該有數字迷失不過我們應該有目標管理那麼我們這個如果含入客的話我們現在恢復的疫情之前比較是七成\n\n23\n00:07:44,966 --> 00:08:00,765\n那麼若扣掉入客的話是恢復到疫情前的九成那少了入客為主的兩百萬人次那有沒有去了解就是在我們台灣一些地區還有景點受最嚴重的影響的地區是哪一些地方\n\n24\n00:08:02,193 --> 00:08:02,213\n韓國瑜\n\n25\n00:08:19,486 --> 00:08:21,027\n目前如果以第一季來看我跟委員報告幾個數字\n\n26\n00:08:37,379 --> 00:08:56,503\n1月的時候大概59萬來2月62萬3月已經到75萬了所以每個月事實上都有在增加所以前面你看看到如果200乘以4是800但是事實上它是一直在增加的所以我們是覺得第二季234是可以的\n\n27\n00:08:56,943 --> 00:09:19,512\n那因為署長在前陣子有跟我做一個說明的確我當時在確定這個目標入客200到250萬也是在裡面有這個部分但是的確在到目前為止我是完全看不到中國大陸有任何要放自由行動團客來的這個跡象所以他們在跟我說明的時候我也同意說\n\n28\n00:09:21,032 --> 00:09:21,132\n主席\n\n29\n00:09:50,995 --> 00:09:51,116\n謝謝部長謝謝署長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4966\t5691\t主席好有請部長請部長\n15020\t36314\t極端氣候對公共建設造成的影響因應極端氣候必須提升公共工程的防災還有抗災能力那氣候已經是影響是否能如期如質完工的其中一個重要的因素那應該讓主辦機關可以先判斷潛在的風險還有變數擬定有效的因應措施作為那請教部長\n37094\t57435\t目前交通建設有許多工程已經在進行中還有帶動工那有哪一些方案有因應氣候變遷能如質如實的完工那氣象署有請署長氣象署如何精準的提供這些短期中期還有長期的預測訊息還有相關研究資料給這些工程主管單位是\n59416\t75870\t目前工程會有一個公共工程競取工地防災減災的作為要點換句話說它事實上有一些要求工程主辦都要做的事情包括剛才委員所提的事前的預防跟事後的這個\n77271\t78813\t副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副\n96553\t120285\t就是在中央的部分地方我們現在也針對地方橋樑已經開始做一個評鑑的工作那這個意思是說過去在地方政府有些橋樑是比較危險的我們現在也透過這個減修率跟維修率的這個評鑑每年辦這個這樣一個評鑑來公布不知道我有看到幾乎都是在每年的3月跟4月份那除了3月份4月份之外呢\n121466\t136688\t平常就是有這樣定檢信息檢有一個更這個準備演練還有相關的工作如果在有災害的時候預防也有做如果事後也有一個特殊的一個檢查\n137509\t150054\t好那部長這邊我要以那個捷運山陰線延伸至巴德為例那先請問部長行政院何時可以核定那之前講核定之後是9年9年後可以完工那有沒有納入天氣的變因\n152865\t180738\t我們現在的公共工程基本上就是以強韌一定要比如說這個尤其地震這個部分一定要來進行那整個這個部分稍微補充一下就是有關臺灣特別是臺灣的這個氣候變遷的過去現在到未來這個部分氣象署跟這個國科會還有NCDR在海防救科技中心其實有一個計畫在進行\n181818\t191981\t那要提供在臺灣的這個所有的這個從過去到未來相關的現象那因為臺灣地形非常複雜有很多很細的那這邊部長先請部長回答就是我們這邊以捷運3銀線延伸至8的為例\n200524\t228713\t對,318的在那個交通部已經中華國家審查通過然後目前這個新北市政府正在修正這個計畫我們目前就是121年完工了121年對,民國121年那後續當然就是新的部分我們都按照比如說防震的這個規定OK,用納入防震那極端氣候下對這些辛苦投入的勞工朋友們他們的職業安全之保障\n232258\t254904\t我們就按照這個相關的規定來辦理這邊要請教部長那極端氣候下對於國道還有公路鐵路遇到強震剛才部長有提到強震還有颱風的安全情形那我想這邊請教部長應變的搶救作為因為我們這邊稍早提到預防那這邊我們如果遇到就是灘塌事故的搶救作為\n256104\t267314\t有什麼計畫嗎?這個我們有一個應變的計畫就是說如果發生比如說斷橋或是邊坡崩塌我們有我們相關的一個應變的計畫來執行包括就是說交通維持\n272699\t274781\t昨天的短暫的豪雨那如果接下來遇到超豪大雨那又會是什麼樣的情況?\n298540\t321462\t的確因為兩個航廈真的都很久了但是這不是理由我是覺得他們現在3月25號已經動工就是一、二航廈的這個屋頂防水系這個建設已經開始動工了我是希望他這一次做一個更徹底的檢查就是說不要在某一些降雨的狀況就會發生落水的一個狀況\n322571\t348656\t我想這部分的確我們台灣基產公司他現在已經有這個計畫我也要求他們一定要落實那有沒有要求驗收的單位確實做到就是在明年的話不會再發生同樣的情形董事長說是 非常謝謝委員今年的這個公選是整個把過去的一行下二行下我們在過去的觀察到的這些漏水點的記錄全部都已經很清楚\n349296\t376156\t那這一次的處理是全面的把所有有可能有接縫點的這些填縫器要全部再做修補因為最主要的問題出現在填縫器另外就是航廈之間它有一些可能是在屋頂上的一些集水系統那個部分問題比較少那現在最不容易處理的是在強風豪雨的時候風速很大把這些水從填縫器的那些隙縫帶出來那這個部分是我們現在要改善的目標\n376956\t378999\t謝謝董事長 這邊要請光光署長 周署長\n387645\t409681\t委員好 署長好 在3月6號交通部的業務報告中本席有問過署長部長說不管今年入客會不會來都希望可以達到1200萬人次這個是怎麼算出來的 因為本席有向觀光署就是提要求書面資料那3月14號書面回覆第一季預估是190萬人那今天部長有提到這個數字是195萬人\n411502\t428556\t如果照這個預估的話今年可能連一千萬人次都沒有辦法達到那上週五周署長您也對媒體說談論下半年如果入客沒有開放的話那這個一千萬人次根本沒有辦法達到的那也有業者質疑說如果下修到一千萬人次\n429537\t430638\t今天是4月1號那掌握到的第一季出境旅客人數統計\n450228\t463775\t市委跟委員報告一下其實我們都不應該有數字迷失不過我們應該有目標管理那麼我們這個如果含入客的話我們現在恢復的疫情之前比較是七成\n464966\t480765\t那麼若扣掉入客的話是恢復到疫情前的九成那少了入客為主的兩百萬人次那有沒有去了解就是在我們台灣一些地區還有景點受最嚴重的影響的地區是哪一些地方\n482193\t482213\t韓國瑜\n499486\t501027\t目前如果以第一季來看我跟委員報告幾個數字\n517379\t536503\t1月的時候大概59萬來 2月62萬 3月已經到75萬了所以每個月事實上都有在增加所以前面你看看到如果200乘以4是800但是事實上它是一直在增加的所以我們是覺得第二季234是可以的\n536943\t559512\t那因為署長在前陣子有跟我做一個說明的確我當時在確定這個目標入客200到250萬也是在裡面有這個部分但是的確在到目前為止我是完全看不到中國大陸有任何要放自由行動團客來的這個跡象所以他們在跟我說明的時候我也同意說\n561032\t561132\t主席\n590995\t591116\t謝謝部長 謝謝署長\n","txt":"主席好有請部長請部長\n極端氣候對公共建設造成的影響因應極端氣候必須提升公共工程的防災還有抗災能力那氣候已經是影響是否能如期如質完工的其中一個重要的因素那應該讓主辦機關可以先判斷潛在的風險還有變數擬定有效的因應措施作為那請教部長\n目前交通建設有許多工程已經在進行中還有帶動工那有哪一些方案有因應氣候變遷能如質如實的完工那氣象署有請署長氣象署如何精準的提供這些短期中期還有長期的預測訊息還有相關研究資料給這些工程主管單位是\n目前工程會有一個公共工程競取工地防災減災的作為要點換句話說它事實上有一些要求工程主辦都要做的事情包括剛才委員所提的事前的預防跟事後的這個\n副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副\n就是在中央的部分地方我們現在也針對地方橋樑已經開始做一個評鑑的工作那這個意思是說過去在地方政府有些橋樑是比較危險的我們現在也透過這個減修率跟維修率的這個評鑑每年辦這個這樣一個評鑑來公布不知道我有看到幾乎都是在每年的3月跟4月份那除了3月份4月份之外呢\n平常就是有這樣定檢信息檢有一個更這個準備演練還有相關的工作如果在有災害的時候預防也有做如果事後也有一個特殊的一個檢查\n好那部長這邊我要以那個捷運山陰線延伸至巴德為例那先請問部長行政院何時可以核定那之前講核定之後是9年9年後可以完工那有沒有納入天氣的變因\n我們現在的公共工程基本上就是以強韌一定要比如說這個尤其地震這個部分一定要來進行那整個這個部分稍微補充一下就是有關臺灣特別是臺灣的這個氣候變遷的過去現在到未來這個部分氣象署跟這個國科會還有NCDR在海防救科技中心其實有一個計畫在進行\n那要提供在臺灣的這個所有的這個從過去到未來相關的現象那因為臺灣地形非常複雜有很多很細的那這邊部長先請部長回答就是我們這邊以捷運3銀線延伸至8的為例\n對,318的在那個交通部已經中華國家審查通過然後目前這個新北市政府正在修正這個計畫我們目前就是121年完工了121年對,民國121年那後續當然就是新的部分我們都按照比如說防震的這個規定OK,用納入防震那極端氣候下對這些辛苦投入的勞工朋友們他們的職業安全之保障\n我們就按照這個相關的規定來辦理這邊要請教部長那極端氣候下對於國道還有公路鐵路遇到強震剛才部長有提到強震還有颱風的安全情形那我想這邊請教部長應變的搶救作為因為我們這邊稍早提到預防那這邊我們如果遇到就是灘塌事故的搶救作為\n有什麼計畫嗎?這個我們有一個應變的計畫就是說如果發生比如說斷橋或是邊坡崩塌我們有我們相關的一個應變的計畫來執行包括就是說交通維持\n昨天的短暫的豪雨那如果接下來遇到超豪大雨那又會是什麼樣的情況?\n的確因為兩個航廈真的都很久了但是這不是理由我是覺得他們現在3月25號已經動工就是一、二航廈的這個屋頂防水系這個建設已經開始動工了我是希望他這一次做一個更徹底的檢查就是說不要在某一些降雨的狀況就會發生落水的一個狀況\n我想這部分的確我們台灣基產公司他現在已經有這個計畫我也要求他們一定要落實那有沒有要求驗收的單位確實做到就是在明年的話不會再發生同樣的情形董事長說是 非常謝謝委員今年的這個公選是整個把過去的一行下二行下我們在過去的觀察到的這些漏水點的記錄全部都已經很清楚\n那這一次的處理是全面的把所有有可能有接縫點的這些填縫器要全部再做修補因為最主要的問題出現在填縫器另外就是航廈之間它有一些可能是在屋頂上的一些集水系統那個部分問題比較少那現在最不容易處理的是在強風豪雨的時候風速很大把這些水從填縫器的那些隙縫帶出來那這個部分是我們現在要改善的目標\n謝謝董事長 這邊要請光光署長 周署長\n委員好 署長好 在3月6號交通部的業務報告中本席有問過署長部長說不管今年入客會不會來都希望可以達到1200萬人次這個是怎麼算出來的 因為本席有向觀光署就是提要求書面資料那3月14號書面回覆第一季預估是190萬人那今天部長有提到這個數字是195萬人\n如果照這個預估的話今年可能連一千萬人次都沒有辦法達到那上週五周署長您也對媒體說談論下半年如果入客沒有開放的話那這個一千萬人次根本沒有辦法達到的那也有業者質疑說如果下修到一千萬人次\n今天是4月1號那掌握到的第一季出境旅客人數統計\n市委跟委員報告一下其實我們都不應該有數字迷失不過我們應該有目標管理那麼我們這個如果含入客的話我們現在恢復的疫情之前比較是七成\n那麼若扣掉入客的話是恢復到疫情前的九成那少了入客為主的兩百萬人次那有沒有去了解就是在我們台灣一些地區還有景點受最嚴重的影響的地區是哪一些地方\n韓國瑜\n目前如果以第一季來看我跟委員報告幾個數字\n1月的時候大概59萬來 2月62萬 3月已經到75萬了所以每個月事實上都有在增加所以前面你看看到如果200乘以4是800但是事實上它是一直在增加的所以我們是覺得第二季234是可以的\n那因為署長在前陣子有跟我做一個說明的確我當時在確定這個目標入客200到250萬也是在裡面有這個部分但是的確在到目前為止我是完全看不到中國大陸有任何要放自由行動團客來的這個跡象所以他們在跟我說明的時候我也同意說\n主席\n謝謝部長 謝謝署長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.966 --> 00:05.691\n主席好有請部長請部長\n\n00:15.020 --> 00:36.314\n極端氣候對公共建設造成的影響因應極端氣候必須提升公共工程的防災還有抗災能力那氣候已經是影響是否能如期如質完工的其中一個重要的因素那應該讓主辦機關可以先判斷潛在的風險還有變數擬定有效的因應措施作為那請教部長\n\n00:37.094 --> 00:57.435\n目前交通建設有許多工程已經在進行中還有帶動工那有哪一些方案有因應氣候變遷能如質如實的完工那氣象署有請署長氣象署如何精準的提供這些短期中期還有長期的預測訊息還有相關研究資料給這些工程主管單位是\n\n00:59.416 --> 01:15.870\n目前工程會有一個公共工程競取工地防災減災的作為要點換句話說它事實上有一些要求工程主辦都要做的事情包括剛才委員所提的事前的預防跟事後的這個\n\n01:17.271 --> 01:18.813\n副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副\n\n01:36.553 --> 02:00.285\n就是在中央的部分地方我們現在也針對地方橋樑已經開始做一個評鑑的工作那這個意思是說過去在地方政府有些橋樑是比較危險的我們現在也透過這個減修率跟維修率的這個評鑑每年辦這個這樣一個評鑑來公布不知道我有看到幾乎都是在每年的3月跟4月份那除了3月份4月份之外呢\n\n02:01.466 --> 02:16.688\n平常就是有這樣定檢信息檢有一個更這個準備演練還有相關的工作如果在有災害的時候預防也有做如果事後也有一個特殊的一個檢查\n\n02:17.509 --> 02:30.054\n好那部長這邊我要以那個捷運山陰線延伸至巴德為例那先請問部長行政院何時可以核定那之前講核定之後是9年9年後可以完工那有沒有納入天氣的變因\n\n02:32.865 --> 03:00.738\n我們現在的公共工程基本上就是以強韌一定要比如說這個尤其地震這個部分一定要來進行那整個這個部分稍微補充一下就是有關臺灣特別是臺灣的這個氣候變遷的過去現在到未來這個部分氣象署跟這個國科會還有NCDR在海防救科技中心其實有一個計畫在進行\n\n03:01.818 --> 03:11.981\n那要提供在臺灣的這個所有的這個從過去到未來相關的現象那因為臺灣地形非常複雜有很多很細的那這邊部長先請部長回答就是我們這邊以捷運3銀線延伸至8的為例\n\n03:20.524 --> 03:48.713\n對,318的在那個交通部已經中華國家審查通過然後目前這個新北市政府正在修正這個計畫我們目前就是121年完工了121年對,民國121年那後續當然就是新的部分我們都按照比如說防震的這個規定OK,用納入防震那極端氣候下對這些辛苦投入的勞工朋友們他們的職業安全之保障\n\n03:52.258 --> 04:14.904\n我們就按照這個相關的規定來辦理這邊要請教部長那極端氣候下對於國道還有公路鐵路遇到強震剛才部長有提到強震還有颱風的安全情形那我想這邊請教部長應變的搶救作為因為我們這邊稍早提到預防那這邊我們如果遇到就是灘塌事故的搶救作為\n\n04:16.104 --> 04:27.314\n有什麼計畫嗎?這個我們有一個應變的計畫就是說如果發生比如說斷橋或是邊坡崩塌我們有我們相關的一個應變的計畫來執行包括就是說交通維持\n\n04:32.699 --> 04:34.781\n昨天的短暫的豪雨那如果接下來遇到超豪大雨那又會是什麼樣的情況?\n\n04:58.540 --> 05:21.462\n的確因為兩個航廈真的都很久了但是這不是理由我是覺得他們現在3月25號已經動工就是一、二航廈的這個屋頂防水系這個建設已經開始動工了我是希望他這一次做一個更徹底的檢查就是說不要在某一些降雨的狀況就會發生落水的一個狀況\n\n05:22.571 --> 05:48.656\n我想這部分的確我們台灣基產公司他現在已經有這個計畫我也要求他們一定要落實那有沒有要求驗收的單位確實做到就是在明年的話不會再發生同樣的情形董事長說是非常謝謝委員今年的這個公選是整個把過去的一行下二行下我們在過去的觀察到的這些漏水點的記錄全部都已經很清楚\n\n05:49.296 --> 06:16.156\n那這一次的處理是全面的把所有有可能有接縫點的這些填縫器要全部再做修補因為最主要的問題出現在填縫器另外就是航廈之間它有一些可能是在屋頂上的一些集水系統那個部分問題比較少那現在最不容易處理的是在強風豪雨的時候風速很大把這些水從填縫器的那些隙縫帶出來那這個部分是我們現在要改善的目標\n\n06:16.956 --> 06:18.999\n謝謝董事長這邊要請光光署長周署長\n\n06:27.645 --> 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