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00:02:23,834\n這個你還更厲害你除了本身是醫生之外你都台大法律所以你對這個法律的用字用語要怎麼精準你一定很清楚所以我剛才說這個兒童跟少年那我們就回到了母法兒童少年回到母法就是兒童跟少年的權益保護法第二條本法所稱兒童是指未滿18歲之人\n\n8\n00:02:25,394 --> 00:02:37,679\n使之少年是指未滿18歲之人所稱兒童是指未滿12歲之人所稱少年是指12歲以上未滿18歲之人所以說得很清楚他就在管人在管人所以進一步從兒少的這個權益保護法再擴散出去的兒少的性剝削繁殖條例保護的一樣是兒童這個人或者是少年這個人沒有問題吧\n\n9\n00:02:53,262 --> 00:03:03,002\n所以讓衛福部真的不要在此時此刻我們要忙這麼多事而且這些事都跟我們的民生有關我們不要去管理到創作的這一塊\n\n10\n00:03:04,617 --> 00:03:23,406\n我覺得補充這一點就一定了當然衛福部之前可能在法令的解釋我們可能大家有一點我們的保護是有一點想要往前再多踏要走大步處理所以在文字上字面上有一點擴大解釋了這沒關係嘛擴大解釋確實你看這段時間也紛紛擾擾也很多人跳出來說哇這樣等於是以後我的所有的創作者我進入我變成會一個自我審查\n\n11\n00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:57,959\n那有侵害到了創作的、自有的一個本身啊引起的也有提出這樣的一個雜慮那我們也知道過去大法官解釋也針對所謂的硬蕊跟軟蕊軟蕊然後做好分級管理讓兒少不要去接觸到不屬於他們這個等級的人不屬於他們這個年齡應該去接觸到的東西這個分級管理如果做好沒問題啊\n\n12\n00:04:00,037 --> 00:04:03,699\n因為這個兒少性剝削條例裡面所使用的這些文字的話其實跟刑法235條是相對應的\n\n13\n00:04:27,432 --> 00:04:43,694\n那所以說如果刑法上面不認為說所謂的這個圖像這個東西的話是包括這種二次元的創作的話那當然兒少性剝削條例也就不用去特別去做處理那這個必須要透過法務部這邊的解釋\n\n14\n00:04:44,395 --> 00:04:47,159\n我現在意思是說虛擬的人物這一塊對不對他本身他符合刑法235\n\n15\n00:05:01,539 --> 00:05:23,954\n符合刑法235有刑法235的告發的一個條件啊對啊他有刑法235他以後我們碰到我們變成要告發了這會更麻煩哦不會不會更麻煩回到刑法的回到刑法235條你現在你要用這樣的一個愛運這樣的一個機關然後你要去做一個管制的話基本上你給這個關節下去就是對這些人來說變成一個困擾因為任何人都會檢舉到愛運啊\n\n16\n00:05:28,997 --> 00:05:44,799\n可是要檢舉到法務部,法務部自然又有他那張詞來決定這個到底有沒有涉及到兒少性剝削。我們現在說的是虛擬人物。部長我跟你說,你不用懷疑的就是說,因為虛擬人物會被提告的不會那麼多。\n\n17\n00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:58,392\n但是他如果涉及到真人的時候他就會被提告現在是政府機關看到了之後是他要去告發嗎?現在問題是在這裡這我不敢這樣說不不不,你之前在想,兒少性剝缺他就是對於真實的人物刑事司法裡面義務告發是行政機關要負的責任\n\n18\n00:06:06,740 --> 00:06:26,512\n不在你們衛福部的管轄範圍,你們不用去主動告發?沒有啦沒有啦沒有啦,這,這,這,我們...你這樣下去的話,你會把這件事情...OK,統一解釋啦,所以你要解釋...統一解釋不是由衛福部統一解釋,因為那涉及刑法嘛,所以不是衛福部來統一解釋好,那所以我們是不是這件事可以喊STOP了啦?\n\n19\n00:06:28,195 --> 00:06:50,977\n我意思是說在Iron的這件事情先把他喊個十八字然後回到讓法務部去用二三五條他們未來到底要怎麼面對虛擬人物的色情也許未來有一天虛擬人物的色情要被進一步的管制OK那必須要再由法務部來解釋或者是來修法如果我們對於虛擬人物我們是有意見的因為他涉及到色情暴力\n\n20\n00:06:51,818 --> 00:07:16,448\n我沒有意見,好,我們從那裡處理衛福部這一塊搜索回到真實人物,就是兒少法保護的一個範圍我是覺得說...我們來看看,因為前陣子我們說行政機關已經發行中了,要怎麼處理行政機關發了,就給法務部啊?不,給法務部去處理所以就明天晚上要告發,這樣就麻煩了並沒有規定你們這件事要依職權告發\n\n21\n00:07:18,240 --> 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