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00:00:48,338\n部長好今天一進這個委員會也蠻訝異就是看到這個變形蟲爵士樂團部長知道這個樂團嗎老實講我不知道這是一個就是純爵士還蠻專業的這個樂團那樂團的成員呢原先早期都不是就是像我一樣就是音樂訓練出身的但是他們\n\n3\n00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:53,281\n王必勝次長其實是這個團的創團元老他負責什麼樂器呢?他是吹AutoSaxophone\n\n4\n00:01:12,848 --> 00:01:29,289\n所以那一天我想在雖然最近有很多的這個很辛苦的這個食安事件我想大家都加班的很辛苦那我想在這個份內工作做完之後那回頭去看看老朋友\n\n5\n00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:47,026\n給這些老朋友互相勉勵一下我想也不是什麼壞事啦而且就我自己本身學音樂的經驗我也鼓勵衛福部的各位同仁在壓力很大的時候你們也可以在工作做完之後\n\n6\n00:01:47,626 --> 00:01:51,527\n我非常贊同事實上不管怎麼樣我們面對問題的時候就是去解決問題\n\n7\n00:02:15,996 --> 00:02:41,809\n但是並不表示說我們24小時都會都必須要綁在這個上面那人這樣沒辦法過日子是沒錯那我想我從這20年這個環境我並不是很喜歡因為太多的這個爾虞我詐然後亂七八糟的事情一堆那所以我想在適時的轉移注意力抒壓然後再回來面對這些高壓是很重要的是所以我認為說用這種議題在做質詢的話我覺得這樣子是\n\n8\n00:02:45,971 --> 00:02:46,551\n我們回到我們今天質詢的問題\n\n9\n00:03:13,079 --> 00:03:35,966\n部長在這個2021年我在這裡有提到就是說有很多名人的照片被不肖的人士盜用那在網路刊登違規藥品的廣告那些違規廣告的這個廣告主IP都在中國但是我也要要求就是說要求衛福部那應該要主動跟那些大的網路社群平台溝通並且建立機制\n\n10\n00:03:36,346 --> 00:03:42,272\n在本席質詢過之後,你們跟臉書或Google溝通過幾次,每次溝通的時間點跟成效如何?\n\n11\n00:03:53,363 --> 00:04:06,262\n在Meta這個部分的話還沒有達成什麼共識這個部分還是持續在溝通Google這邊我們Google應該還沒有吧Google應該還沒有\n\n12\n00:04:08,010 --> 00:04:35,850\n因為我的辦公室正式發函跟你們詢問這件事情你們回覆的內容只有說會不定期開會那這個對本席來講是非常不清楚的所以我想要了解就是說整個完整的內容然後大概有哪些時間點有跟哪個臉書哪些平台溝通討論的狀況是怎麼樣我希望是不是可以整理\n\n13\n00:04:37,190 --> 00:05:04,158\n讓本席瞭解一下這我們再整理一下再提供因為依照食藥署回覆本席的資料就是你們在去年跟臉書溝通然後建立一個下架違規藥品廣告的這個機制管道那部長你知道截至目前為止通報給臉書處理的有幾件嗎我是可以請署長好可以\n\n14\n00:05:06,612 --> 00:05:15,849\n委員好,那我們跟META這邊通報,那我們有試了一件齁,那他們通報了以後就立刻下架,對。\n\n15\n00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:39,935\n事前的意見對對食品的針對食品的一個廣告我想是這樣子因為這個通報的數據就是因為只有一件可能會讓大家以為說我們現在網路平台上已經好像沒有什麼違規藥品的廣告現在網路都很乾淨然後大家很自律平台也都很配合\n\n16\n00:05:40,555 --> 00:05:51,624\n因為但是事實並不是如此喔因為部長你看一下這個表格齁這也是你們提供給我的數據就是說你看喔109年沒有嘛齁110年西藥兩件111年中藥三件那112年我是沒有看到你們有嗎有112年的嗎\n\n17\n00:06:02,521 --> 00:06:17,834\n這再回去再查一下部長你覺得這個數據是你相信就只有這樣子嗎如果是藥的部分的話本來它就會比較少但是如果是食品\n\n18\n00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:44,304\n我同意雖然我同意部長的說法這個比例上應該是這樣沒錯但是部長其實你只要在google或臉書上一搜尋就可以看到這個違規的廣告有一堆那但是我是不明白就是說這個通報一件臉書而已那你再看一下我們接下來這幾張\n\n19\n00:06:46,505 --> 00:07:10,881\n這位是名醫師邱振宏那大家只要搜尋一下他的名字一堆違規的廣告就會跑出來那我不曉得你們負責監控這個網路違規藥品廣告的人到底是怎麼監控的那我們也就是說可以到我們辦公室交換一下交換一下這個我們可以互通一下這個方法嗎\n\n20\n00:07:11,721 --> 00:07:37,747\n那這些廣告你們只要點選連結之後他就會跳到他們LINE的帳號那看一下這個照片LINE的帳號那他們為了取信民眾他的帳號就是放邱振宏醫師與一些名人的照片那你再加入他的帳號之後呢你如果對他有所懷疑的時候你問他地址那他就會馬上跟你說那個地址而且那個地址呢也真的是那個邱振宏醫師的地址可是呢\n\n21\n00:07:38,467 --> 00:07:52,050\n他們會用各種話術跟你講說請你還是用電話跟他們聯絡那而且這個上面的電話就不是邱醫師診所的電話了他就是一個固網的區域電話那我有跟這個邱醫師的診所確認過這個帳號不是他們的那區域電話也不是他們的\n\n22\n00:07:58,312 --> 00:08:11,387\n這就是在賣違規藥品的帳號他們已經大膽到去申請這個區域電話所以會後我會把這個完整的這些電話給你們要麻煩你們特別去查清楚好不好\n\n23\n00:08:13,114 --> 00:08:30,143\n好那再來就是說你們已經有跟平台談一下這個談這個下架違規藥品的廣告的機制那我希望就是說應該也要連同跟這個平台要提到就是刊登這些違規廣告的假帳號應該要一併刪除好不好\n\n24\n00:08:32,904 --> 00:09:01,011\n那再來因為一般使用者都可以對於這個有問題的帳號向臉書檢舉所以我覺得為了這個國人的健康你們應該更應該要主動的跟這個平台來討論這個問題只要透過你們官方的這個通知的這個假帳號通知他們的假帳號而且確定帳號呢就是在刊登違規藥品的話呢就請平台可以快速的把帳號刪除在部長可不可以去談談看\n\n25\n00:09:03,023 --> 00:09:22,148\n那再來就是說因為你們邱振宏醫師的這個帳號隨便一搜尋竟然有上百個那些帳號都是用來刊登違規藥品的廣告那邱醫師診所他們有跟我講說常常民眾呢在這些假帳號上面買到中國的這個減肥藥品\n\n26\n00:09:23,888 --> 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Saxophone\n所以那一天我想在雖然最近有很多的這個很辛苦的這個食安事件我想大家都加班的很辛苦那我想在這個份內工作做完之後那回頭去看看老朋友\n給這些老朋友互相勉勵一下我想也不是什麼壞事啦而且就我自己本身學音樂的經驗我也鼓勵衛福部的各位同仁在壓力很大的時候你們也可以在工作做完之後\n我非常贊同事實上不管怎麼樣我們面對問題的時候就是去解決問題\n但是並不表示說我們24小時都會都必須要綁在這個上面那人這樣沒辦法過日子是沒錯那我想我從這20年這個環境我並不是很喜歡因為太多的這個爾虞我詐然後亂七八糟的事情一堆那所以我想在適時的轉移注意力抒壓然後再回來面對這些高壓是很重要的是所以我認為說用這種議題在做質詢的話我覺得這樣子是\n我們回到我們今天質詢的問題\n部長在這個2021年我在這裡有提到就是說有很多名人的照片被不肖的人士盜用那在網路刊登違規藥品的廣告那些違規廣告的這個廣告主IP都在中國但是我也要要求就是說要求衛福部那應該要主動跟那些大的網路社群平台溝通並且建立機制\n在本席質詢過之後,你們跟臉書或Google溝通過幾次,每次溝通的時間點跟成效如何?\n在Meta這個部分的話還沒有達成什麼共識這個部分還是持續在溝通Google這邊我們Google應該還沒有吧Google應該還沒有\n因為我的辦公室正式發函跟你們詢問這件事情你們回覆的內容只有說會不定期開會那這個對本席來講是非常不清楚的所以我想要了解就是說整個完整的內容然後大概有哪些時間點有跟哪個臉書哪些平台溝通討論的狀況是怎麼樣我希望是不是可以整理\n讓本席瞭解一下這我們再整理一下再提供因為依照食藥署回覆本席的資料就是你們在去年跟臉書溝通然後建立一個下架違規藥品廣告的這個機制管道那部長你知道截至目前為止通報給臉書處理的有幾件嗎我是可以請署長好可以\n委員好,那我們跟META這邊通報,那我們有試了一件齁,那他們通報了以後就立刻下架,對。\n事前的意見對對食品的針對食品的一個廣告我想是這樣子因為這個通報的數據就是因為只有一件可能會讓大家以為說我們現在網路平台上已經好像沒有什麼違規藥品的廣告現在網路都很乾淨然後大家很自律平台也都很配合\n因為但是事實並不是如此喔因為部長你看一下這個表格齁這也是你們提供給我的數據就是說你看喔109年沒有嘛齁110年西藥兩件111年中藥三件那112年我是沒有看到你們有嗎有112年的嗎\n這再回去再查一下部長你覺得這個數據是你相信就只有這樣子嗎如果是藥的部分的話本來它就會比較少但是如果是食品\n我同意雖然我同意部長的說法這個比例上應該是這樣沒錯但是部長其實你只要在google或臉書上一搜尋就可以看到這個違規的廣告有一堆那但是我是不明白就是說這個通報一件臉書而已那你再看一下我們接下來這幾張\n這位是名醫師邱振宏那大家只要搜尋一下他的名字一堆違規的廣告就會跑出來那我不曉得你們負責監控這個網路違規藥品廣告的人到底是怎麼監控的那我們也就是說可以到我們辦公室交換一下交換一下這個我們可以互通一下這個方法嗎\n那這些廣告你們只要點選連結之後他就會跳到他們LINE的帳號那看一下這個照片LINE的帳號那他們為了取信民眾他的帳號就是放邱振宏醫師與一些名人的照片那你再加入他的帳號之後呢你如果對他有所懷疑的時候你問他地址那他就會馬上跟你說那個地址而且那個地址呢也真的是那個邱振宏醫師的地址可是呢\n他們會用各種話術跟你講說請你還是用電話跟他們聯絡那而且這個上面的電話就不是邱醫師診所的電話了他就是一個固網的區域電話那我有跟這個邱醫師的診所確認過這個帳號不是他們的那區域電話也不是他們的\n這就是在賣違規藥品的帳號他們已經大膽到去申請這個區域電話所以會後我會把這個完整的這些電話給你們要麻煩你們特別去查清楚好不好\n好那再來就是說你們已經有跟平台談一下這個談這個下架違規藥品的廣告的機制那我希望就是說應該也要連同跟這個平台要提到就是刊登這些違規廣告的假帳號應該要一併刪除好不好\n那再來因為一般使用者都可以對於這個有問題的帳號向臉書檢舉所以我覺得為了這個國人的健康你們應該更應該要主動的跟這個平台來討論這個問題只要透過你們官方的這個通知的這個假帳號通知他們的假帳號而且確定帳號呢就是在刊登違規藥品的話呢就請平台可以快速的把帳號刪除在部長可不可以去談談看\n那再來就是說因為你們邱振宏醫師的這個帳號隨便一搜尋竟然有上百個那些帳號都是用來刊登違規藥品的廣告那邱醫師診所他們有跟我講說常常民眾呢在這些假帳號上面買到中國的這個減肥藥品\n好減肥藥然後就拿著拿著這些藥呢這些偽藥去診所找他們讓他們覺得非常的困擾所以我希望食藥署可以積極的跟網路平台溝通那你們目前也是只有跟臉書建立管道而已齁那大一點的平台那至少就還有google也還沒談那如果食藥署去跟平台談的時候假如不好談\n好．\n最後就是說有關違規藥品分工的部分因為現在是你們現在的這個平面廣告由中醫藥師負責那電視、電台是由食藥署負責在監看這些違規廣告的時候再把案件依業務分類處理但是現在大家使用頻率最大最多的網路就是網路的部分你們還是各做各的\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.732 --> 00:17.878\n好謝謝麻煩請衛福部部長好請部長委員好\n\n00:23.716 --> 00:48.338\n部長好今天一進這個委員會也蠻訝異就是看到這個變形蟲爵士樂團部長知道這個樂團嗎老實講我不知道這是一個就是純爵士還蠻專業的這個樂團那樂團的成員呢原先早期都不是就是像我一樣就是音樂訓練出身的但是他們\n\n00:49.079 --> 00:53.281\n王必勝次長其實是這個團的創團元老他負責什麼樂器呢?他是吹AutoSaxophone\n\n01:12.848 --> 01:29.289\n所以那一天我想在雖然最近有很多的這個很辛苦的這個食安事件我想大家都加班的很辛苦那我想在這個份內工作做完之後那回頭去看看老朋友\n\n01:30.270 --> 01:47.026\n給這些老朋友互相勉勵一下我想也不是什麼壞事啦而且就我自己本身學音樂的經驗我也鼓勵衛福部的各位同仁在壓力很大的時候你們也可以在工作做完之後\n\n01:47.626 --> 01:51.527\n我非常贊同事實上不管怎麼樣我們面對問題的時候就是去解決問題\n\n02:15.996 --> 02:41.809\n但是並不表示說我們24小時都會都必須要綁在這個上面那人這樣沒辦法過日子是沒錯那我想我從這20年這個環境我並不是很喜歡因為太多的這個爾虞我詐然後亂七八糟的事情一堆那所以我想在適時的轉移注意力抒壓然後再回來面對這些高壓是很重要的是所以我認為說用這種議題在做質詢的話我覺得這樣子是\n\n02:45.971 --> 02:46.551\n我們回到我們今天質詢的問題\n\n03:13.079 --> 03:35.966\n部長在這個2021年我在這裡有提到就是說有很多名人的照片被不肖的人士盜用那在網路刊登違規藥品的廣告那些違規廣告的這個廣告主IP都在中國但是我也要要求就是說要求衛福部那應該要主動跟那些大的網路社群平台溝通並且建立機制\n\n03:36.346 --> 03:42.272\n在本席質詢過之後,你們跟臉書或Google溝通過幾次,每次溝通的時間點跟成效如何?\n\n03:53.363 --> 04:06.262\n在Meta這個部分的話還沒有達成什麼共識這個部分還是持續在溝通Google這邊我們Google應該還沒有吧Google應該還沒有\n\n04:08.010 --> 04:35.850\n因為我的辦公室正式發函跟你們詢問這件事情你們回覆的內容只有說會不定期開會那這個對本席來講是非常不清楚的所以我想要了解就是說整個完整的內容然後大概有哪些時間點有跟哪個臉書哪些平台溝通討論的狀況是怎麼樣我希望是不是可以整理\n\n04:37.190 --> 05:04.158\n讓本席瞭解一下這我們再整理一下再提供因為依照食藥署回覆本席的資料就是你們在去年跟臉書溝通然後建立一個下架違規藥品廣告的這個機制管道那部長你知道截至目前為止通報給臉書處理的有幾件嗎我是可以請署長好可以\n\n05:06.612 --> 05:15.849\n委員好,那我們跟META這邊通報,那我們有試了一件齁,那他們通報了以後就立刻下架,對。\n\n05:17.950 --> 05:39.935\n事前的意見對對食品的針對食品的一個廣告我想是這樣子因為這個通報的數據就是因為只有一件可能會讓大家以為說我們現在網路平台上已經好像沒有什麼違規藥品的廣告現在網路都很乾淨然後大家很自律平台也都很配合\n\n05:40.555 --> 05:51.624\n因為但是事實並不是如此喔因為部長你看一下這個表格齁這也是你們提供給我的數據就是說你看喔109年沒有嘛齁110年西藥兩件111年中藥三件那112年我是沒有看到你們有嗎有112年的嗎\n\n06:02.521 --> 06:17.834\n這再回去再查一下部長你覺得這個數據是你相信就只有這樣子嗎如果是藥的部分的話本來它就會比較少但是如果是食品\n\n06:24.217 --> 06:44.304\n我同意雖然我同意部長的說法這個比例上應該是這樣沒錯但是部長其實你只要在google或臉書上一搜尋就可以看到這個違規的廣告有一堆那但是我是不明白就是說這個通報一件臉書而已那你再看一下我們接下來這幾張\n\n06:46.505 --> 07:10.881\n這位是名醫師邱振宏那大家只要搜尋一下他的名字一堆違規的廣告就會跑出來那我不曉得你們負責監控這個網路違規藥品廣告的人到底是怎麼監控的那我們也就是說可以到我們辦公室交換一下交換一下這個我們可以互通一下這個方法嗎\n\n07:11.721 --> 07:37.747\n那這些廣告你們只要點選連結之後他就會跳到他們LINE的帳號那看一下這個照片LINE的帳號那他們為了取信民眾他的帳號就是放邱振宏醫師與一些名人的照片那你再加入他的帳號之後呢你如果對他有所懷疑的時候你問他地址那他就會馬上跟你說那個地址而且那個地址呢也真的是那個邱振宏醫師的地址可是呢\n\n07:38.467 --> 07:52.050\n他們會用各種話術跟你講說請你還是用電話跟他們聯絡那而且這個上面的電話就不是邱醫師診所的電話了他就是一個固網的區域電話那我有跟這個邱醫師的診所確認過這個帳號不是他們的那區域電話也不是他們的\n\n07:58.312 --> 08:11.387\n這就是在賣違規藥品的帳號他們已經大膽到去申請這個區域電話所以會後我會把這個完整的這些電話給你們要麻煩你們特別去查清楚好不好\n\n08:13.114 --> 08:30.143\n好那再來就是說你們已經有跟平台談一下這個談這個下架違規藥品的廣告的機制那我希望就是說應該也要連同跟這個平台要提到就是刊登這些違規廣告的假帳號應該要一併刪除好不好\n\n08:32.904 --> 09:01.011\n那再來因為一般使用者都可以對於這個有問題的帳號向臉書檢舉所以我覺得為了這個國人的健康你們應該更應該要主動的跟這個平台來討論這個問題只要透過你們官方的這個通知的這個假帳號通知他們的假帳號而且確定帳號呢就是在刊登違規藥品的話呢就請平台可以快速的把帳號刪除在部長可不可以去談談看\n\n09:03.023 --> 09:22.148\n那再來就是說因為你們邱振宏醫師的這個帳號隨便一搜尋竟然有上百個那些帳號都是用來刊登違規藥品的廣告那邱醫師診所他們有跟我講說常常民眾呢在這些假帳號上面買到中國的這個減肥藥品\n\n09:23.888 --> 09:44.786\n好減肥藥然後就拿著拿著這些藥呢這些偽藥去診所找他們讓他們覺得非常的困擾所以我希望食藥署可以積極的跟網路平台溝通那你們目前也是只有跟臉書建立管道而已齁那大一點的平台那至少就還有google也還沒談那如果食藥署去跟平台談的時候假如不好談\n\n09:45.708 --> 09:45.728\n好．\n\n09:57.613 --> 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