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Lab去查所謂的網路聲量，也就是討論的排行榜，職場父母育兒6大困擾，您可以看到第一名就是缺乏時間陪伴孩子，這個占最高，排行第一，第二個是育兒政策配套不完善，接下來還有保母的問題，另外甚至有很多女性還在思考是不是要離職來當一個全職媽媽，這幾個因素也讓部長做參考。","部長，現行有二個法條居然是父母有義務跟責任，一個是幼兒教育及照顧法第四十一條規定家長負有參加教保服務機構之幼兒及親職活動之義務，第二個是教育基本法規定家長負有輔導子女之責任，部長，這個法律您知道嗎？就是當爸爸媽媽是有法律責任的，但是他們大部分都是透過私人假期或事假去參與這個親職活動，所以部長，我們可能某個程度要幫助他們來解決問題。"],["許部長銘春：是。"],["陳委員昭姿：因為時間有限，我們再看下一張。部長，有一個東西叫做親職教育，親職教育是一個名詞，我也是這次才學習到的，就是指為人父母要學習教養子女的一些教育課程，內容包括正確的親子關係、父母職責的認識、親子溝通的教育跟方法、了解兒童所面對的社會問題與解決之道，還有自我成長等等。但是面對這些，也許學校老師非常努力、非常認真去籌辦這些親職教育的活動，希望能夠提高家長的參與率，但事實上，家長的出席率還是不高，主要是他們不敢請假或是不方便請假，親職教育假是有其意義跟責任的，部長，您是不是支持有這個親職教育假？那個是法規規定的，親職教育假，過去沒有的。"],["許部長銘春：親職教育假，其實……"],["陳委員昭姿：對，剛剛我特別提到它是有一些內容、內涵的。"],["許部長銘春：報告委員，其實對於育兒或相關孩子的照顧，我們現在其實有一些假別可以運用，譬如說有家庭照顧假，他如果是要參加，因為大部分都是會安排在假日或下班……"],["陳委員昭姿：您提到家庭照顧假，我再給你看下一張，我原本也要談這個家庭照顧假，家庭照顧假在現行法也是有一些問題的。銓敘部109年12月11月發布的函釋，家庭照顧假應該要依個案事實進行合理認定，再去從寬給假，而且請假日數不併入事假計算。但是現在這個時代的生活型態不同，會有新的狀況，譬如之前的疫情期間，小孩有一些感染等等，他可能會需要一些額外的，就是隨著時代不同，他需要的家庭照顧假也可能不同。目前是7天，請問可不可能去考慮因應時代的不同、需求不同，家庭照顧假也可以有某個程度的放寬？包括時間。"],["許部長銘春：報告委員，我覺得這個是可以討論啦，有些親職假，家庭照顧假其實類似可以運用到親職的照顧上面去，有些我是覺得可以與時俱進來檢討。"],["陳委員昭姿：我們可以來檢討，因為時代真的不同，我們現在真的是缺小孩嘛！"],["許部長銘春：對。"],["陳委員昭姿：現在就業保險法照顧的對象包括失業給付、提早就業獎助津貼、職業訓練生活津貼、育嬰留職停薪津貼、失業人保險等等津貼。剛剛我在前面提到的親職假津貼、親職教育假津貼、家庭照顧假津貼，可不可能因為時代的需要，考慮在現有的就業保險津貼裡面加入這幾項？本黨當然會提出相關的草案、法規，我不知道勞動部有沒有在準備這個事？假設把它放進去，會讓家長覺得他配合這些活動的參與跟學習是一種責任跟榮譽，而不是他要被扣薪的那種負面感受，而且對他們願意養育孩子這種意願應該很正面。"],["許部長銘春：增加相關的津貼來支持，這個方向可以討論，但是如果以就保的財源來看，我覺得這個還是會在財源的問題，因為現在就保中育嬰留停占了我們的大宗，占44%以上，將近45%，失業給付占了43%。現在……"],["陳委員昭姿：謝謝部長，我瞭解財源是一個問題，但是因為時代不同……"],["許部長銘春：留停津貼比失業給付……，原來就保的目的是作為失業給付的財源，但沒有關係，這個我們一樣支持，我的意思是說，如果整個要擴大到親職假津貼其實不夠，因為現在每年的結餘大概50億而已，會不夠。我們算過，大概要看這個親職假到底是幾天，然後……"],["陳委員昭姿：當然也可以限制。"],["許部長銘春：涉及津貼的範圍到什麼程度，金額啦！如果單就就保的財源來看會不夠……"],["陳委員昭姿：瞭解，部長，大家一起努力。"],["許部長銘春：一起努力，大家可能要檢討財源。"],["陳委員昭姿：友善育兒職場對我們整個國家的生育率、工作環境、要做善盡責任的父母是有幫助的。"],["許部長銘春：是。"],["陳委員昭姿：謝謝部長。"],["許部長銘春：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳昭姿委員。","接下來請陳菁徽委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":154,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-11","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","王育敏","涂權吉","邱鎮軍","王正旭","林淑芬","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:08,416\n他在接受媒體採訪的時候他就提到說他無法理解為什麼美國年輕的員工他對於這個工作跟生活品質要求這個平衡的一個態度就是workandlifebalance的態度那我想請教部長您對這樣的說法您的想法是什麼\n\n4\n00:01:13,859 --> 00:01:40,361\n報告委員我們勞動部一向主張工作跟生活要平衡工作的時候我們當然也要努力但是適當的休息讓身心能夠達到釋放這個是應該的謝謝部長部長我講兩個小故事給您聽我服務的醫院正對面就是過去長期服務就是一個非常非常有名的電腦公司有一年他們全部的員工在我們醫院做健康檢查結果我們發現他的健康檢查數字是滿江紅\n\n5\n00:01:42,162 --> 00:02:00,337\n那另外我要談這個台灣的健保台灣的健保如果你問全民的這個滿意度大概都9成以上可是如果您只調查醫療人員醫事人員的就是醫療提供者大概滿意度頂多3成這是比離死盪還遙遠所以就是說當事人提供這些服務的時候他們認為是用他們的血汗\n\n6\n00:02:01,198 --> 00:02:01,238\n陳昭姿\n\n7\n00:02:31,518 --> 00:02:35,360\n您對於捍衛勞工他們追求比較他期待的生活方式您的想法或是你們會不會站出來捍衛這個勞工的期待對生活的跟工作品質平衡的期待\n\n8\n00:02:50,201 --> 00:03:07,558\n您好,因為工作與生活平衡一向是勞動部的一個政策的重點。我們其實也都鼓勵企業主能夠讓勞工有適當的一個休閒,甚至要提供一些紓壓的課程,然後讓勞工能夠\n\n9\n00:03:12,122 --> 00:03:40,982\n謝謝部長您就強調說是要一個堅固或平衡的一個想法不過早期很辛苦白手起家的企業家他們當然經歷不同時代不同他會有不同的想法部長我們回到今天主題很多雙薪小雙薪家庭他不敢生孩子我們先撇開這個經濟因素當然雙薪相對他的經濟因素可能是少一點點但是您覺得他們還是不願意生小孩部長您瞭解他們最主要的理由可能是什麼嗎就是雙薪家庭他們還是沒有要生孩子這樣子\n\n10\n00:03:42,663 --> 00:03:49,586\n部長您談得非常正確第一個據我們了解整個收集資料第一個就是時間都給了工作因為這個根據媒體報導很多家長的共同困擾就是說他們因為要兼顧工作跟家庭\n\n11\n00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:06,955\n所以他們覺得陪伴孩子的教育或成長的時間是有限沒有辦法很完整那即便交給保姆等等他們還是會擔心環境跟照顧的品質另外就是說他白天都付出給工作這是我們的責任\n\n12\n00:04:20,023 --> 00:04:30,787\n但是回到家裡說老實說很多工作不能完全排除你在下班時間以後還是必須做你工作上的某一些支援跟回應這是第一個就他們覺得在時間上沒有辦法大概都給的工作比較多的比例第二個就是請假的這個困擾跟不便性例如說剛剛您也報告到育嬰假但是我知道育嬰假因為相對長所以他回到職場上他不一定能夠回到他比較期待的那個職位\n\n13\n00:04:46,592 --> 00:05:12,421\n指定的他必須看他有權力復職但是有時候是有一些困難還有孩子生下來了他需要照顧他會發生一些額外的需要照顧的這個壓力所以這些都會成為就是說生育孩子養育孩子的一些顧慮跟這個阻力那現行的法規是性別平等工作法第16條孩子3歲以前可以請育嬰假但是老實說孩子3歲以後還是會有一些額外你需要照顧的這個\n\n14\n00:05:15,022 --> 00:05:32,132\n所以這是第二件事就是說他們對於請假過去大概就會用試假特休來處理就是說請假的困擾不變是第二個第三個我認為時代是不同的現行的制度下是不是可能會加一些幫助生育孩子的一些誘因如果是30年前執行我不會加這件事我的時代是一年生40幾萬孩子但是我的孩子是生30萬孩子但去年部長知道生了13萬多的小孩\n\n15\n00:05:41,397 --> 00:05:59,253\n所以我是覺得各部門是不是應該在現有的工作制度下加一點幫助讓他們願意生孩子幼嬰尤其這個育嬰族群他絕對是我們整個生產力的主力嘛那他們生小孩這個孩子是有孩子是讓我們國家繼續壯大永續的一個非常重要的因素\n\n16\n00:06:00,134 --> 00:06:17,160\n所以很多的調查都發現說沒有完善的這個育兒配套措施確實是跟增育率的這個有正相關正相關的這個很多研究調查都證實所以部長人口負成長已經成為我們的國安問題那去年出生我剛剛提到才13萬多人\n\n17\n00:06:18,940 --> 00:06:37,907\n對於已經出生的孩子怎麼樣幫助父母親在職場工作能夠有完善的照顧跟陪伴這也很重要請部長看一下右邊這個表這個是去年八月TVS他用sociallab去查這個所謂的網路的那些聲量的就討論的排行榜\n\n18\n00:06:40,128 --> 00:06:55,793\n職場父母育兒六大困難你可以看到第一名就是缺乏時間陪伴孩子這個占最高排行第一第二個是育兒政策配套不完善那還有保母的問題另外甚至有很多是女性她還在思考我是不是要離職來當一個全職媽媽這幾個因素也讓部長做參考部長這個現行有兩個法條居然是父母有義務跟責任一個就是幼兒教育及照顧法第41條\n\n19\n00:07:07,017 --> 00:07:29,879\n他說家長父有參加教保服務機構之幼兒及親子活動的義務第二個教育基本法規定家長父有輔導子女的責任那部長這個法律您知道嗎就是說當爸爸媽媽是有責任有法律責任的但是大部分他們參加這個都是透過私人假期或試假參與這個親子活動所以部長我們可能某個程度要\n\n20\n00:07:31,340 --> 00:07:36,924\n幫助他們來解決,因為時間有限,我們再看下一張有一個東西叫做親職活動,親職教育親職教育是一個名詞,就是說我也是這樣這次才學習就是指為人父母要學習教養子女的一些教育課程,內容包括正確的親子關係父母職責的認識,親子溝通的教育跟方法瞭解兒童所面對的社會問題去解決,自我成長等等\n\n21\n00:07:56,238 --> 00:08:18,991\n但是面對這些也許學校老師非常努力非常認真去籌辦這些輕職教育的活動但是希望能夠提高家長的參與率但事實上家長的出席率還是不高那主要是他們不敢請假或未必就是說也不方便請假那輕職教育假是有他的意義跟這個責任那部長您是不是支持有這個輕職教育假那個是法規規定的輕職教育假過去沒有的\n\n22\n00:08:23,954 --> 00:08:46,166\n其實對於就是育兒或相關孩子照顧的我們現在其實有一些價別是可以運用比如說有這個家庭照顧假他所說是要參加因為大部分都是會在假日或下班您提到家庭照顧假我再給你下一張就是我要談\n\n23\n00:08:47,206 --> 00:09:13,929\n家庭照顧假,家庭照顧假現行法也是有一些問題他這個在全序部109年12月10日發布的函式說家庭照顧假應該要個案適時進行合理認定再給予重寬認定而且不要併入人事這個併入這個試假但是現在的時代生活形態不同會有新的狀況他譬如說之前疫情期間譬如說小孩有一些感染就說他可能會需要一些額外的就是說\n\n24\n00:09:39,531 --> 00:10:07,952\n我們可以要講因為時代真的不同我們現在真的是缺小孩嘛下一張最後一張就是說我們在看現在就業保險法裡面他照顧的對象包括事業給付提早就業獎助津貼職業訓練生活津貼育嬰留職津貼失業人保險等等津貼但是剛剛我這個前面都提到一些都輕職假津貼輕職教育假家庭照顧假可不可能在這個現有的這個就業保險津貼裡面把因為時代所需要\n\n25\n00:10:09,352 --> 00:10:14,473\n加入這幾項來做考慮因為我們本黨大概會提出相關的法規相關的草案法規那我不知道勞動部有沒有在準備這個事我覺得假設假設把它放進去會讓家長覺得說我如果來配合這些活動的參與跟學習這是一種責任跟榮譽而不是說我要被扣薪的那種負面感受\n\n26\n00:10:31,237 --> 00:10:53,686\n我覺得對他們要願意養育孩子這種意願應該很正面我想增加相關的這個津貼來支持這個方向我是覺得是可以來討論但是就是說如果是以舊保的財源來看我是覺得這個問題還是會在財源的問題因為我們在舊保在支現在是幾乎育嬰留停是佔了我們的大宗44%以上44%將近45%失業給付佔了43%就是說我們現在\n\n27\n00:11:00,628 --> 00:11:18,193\n謝謝部長。了解財源是一個問題。但是時代不同。原來舊保的目的是失業給付的一個財源。但沒有關係,這個我們一樣支持。但現在我的意思說,如果整個要擴大到金質價,今天其實是不夠。因為我們現在每年的結餘大概……\n\n28\n00:11:19,173 --> 00:11:19,373\n陳昭姿\n\n29\n00:11:41,101 --> 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我們勞動部一向主張工作跟生活要平衡工作的時候我們當然也要努力但是適當的休息讓身心能夠達到釋放這個是應該的謝謝部長部長我講兩個小故事給您聽我服務的醫院正對面就是過去長期服務就是一個非常非常有名的電腦公司有一年他們全部的員工在我們醫院做健康檢查結果我們發現他的健康檢查數字是滿江紅\n102162\t120337\t那另外我要談這個台灣的健保台灣的健保如果你問全民的這個滿意度大概都9成以上可是如果您只調查醫療人員醫事人員的就是醫療提供者大概滿意度頂多3成這是比離死盪還遙遠所以就是說當事人提供這些服務的時候他們認為是用他們的血汗\n121198\t121238\t陳昭姿\n151518\t155360\t您對於捍衛勞工他們追求比較他期待的生活方式您的想法或是你們會不會站出來捍衛這個勞工的期待對生活的跟工作品質平衡的期待\n170201\t187558\t您好,因為工作與生活平衡一向是勞動部的一個政策的重點。我們其實也都鼓勵企業主能夠讓勞工有適當的一個休閒,甚至要提供一些紓壓的課程,然後讓勞工能夠\n192122\t220982\t謝謝部長您就強調說是要一個堅固或平衡的一個想法不過早期很辛苦白手起家的企業家他們當然經歷不同時代不同他會有不同的想法部長我們回到今天主題很多雙薪小雙薪家庭他不敢生孩子我們先撇開這個經濟因素當然雙薪相對他的經濟因素可能是少一點點但是您覺得他們還是不願意生小孩部長您瞭解他們最主要的理由可能是什麼嗎就是雙薪家庭他們還是沒有要生孩子這樣子\n222663\t229586\t部長您談得非常正確第一個據我們了解整個收集資料第一個就是時間都給了工作因為這個根據媒體報導很多家長的共同困擾就是說他們因為要兼顧工作跟家庭\n244494\t246955\t所以他們覺得陪伴孩子的教育或成長的時間是有限沒有辦法很完整那即便交給保姆等等他們還是會擔心環境跟照顧的品質另外就是說他白天都付出給工作這是我們的責任\n260023\t270787\t但是回到家裡說老實說很多工作不能完全排除你在下班時間以後還是必須做你工作上的某一些支援跟回應這是第一個就他們覺得在時間上沒有辦法大概都給的工作比較多的比例第二個就是請假的這個困擾跟不便性例如說剛剛您也報告到育嬰假但是我知道育嬰假因為相對長所以他回到職場上他不一定能夠回到他比較期待的那個職位\n286592\t312421\t指定的他必須看他有權力復職但是有時候是有一些困難還有孩子生下來了他需要照顧他會發生一些額外的需要照顧的這個壓力所以這些都會成為就是說生育孩子養育孩子的一些顧慮跟這個阻力那現行的法規是性別平等工作法第16條孩子3歲以前可以請育嬰假但是老實說孩子3歲以後還是會有一些額外你需要照顧的這個\n315022\t332132\t所以這是第二件事就是說他們對於請假過去大概就會用試假特休來處理就是說請假的困擾不變是第二個第三個我認為時代是不同的現行的制度下是不是可能會加一些幫助生育孩子的一些誘因如果是30年前執行我不會加這件事我的時代是一年生40幾萬孩子但是我的孩子是生30萬孩子但去年部長知道生了13萬多的小孩\n341397\t359253\t所以我是覺得各部門是不是應該在現有的工作制度下加一點幫助讓他們願意生孩子幼嬰尤其這個育嬰族群他絕對是我們整個生產力的主力嘛那他們生小孩這個孩子是有孩子是讓我們國家繼續壯大永續的一個非常重要的因素\n360134\t377160\t所以很多的調查都發現說沒有完善的這個育兒配套措施確實是跟增育率的這個有正相關正相關的這個很多研究調查都證實所以部長人口負成長已經成為我們的國安問題那去年出生我剛剛提到才13萬多人\n378940\t397907\t對於已經出生的孩子怎麼樣幫助父母親在職場工作能夠有完善的照顧跟陪伴這也很重要請部長看一下右邊這個表這個是去年八月TVS他用social lab去查這個所謂的網路的那些聲量的就討論的排行榜\n400128\t415793\t職場父母育兒六大困難你可以看到第一名就是缺乏時間陪伴孩子這個占最高排行第一第二個是育兒政策配套不完善那還有保母的問題另外甚至有很多是女性她還在思考我是不是要離職來當一個全職媽媽這幾個因素也讓部長做參考部長這個現行有兩個法條居然是父母有義務跟責任一個就是幼兒教育及照顧法第41條\n427017\t449879\t他說家長父有參加教保服務機構之幼兒及親子活動的義務第二個教育基本法規定家長父有輔導子女的責任那部長這個法律您知道嗎就是說當爸爸媽媽是有責任有法律責任的但是大部分他們參加這個都是透過私人假期或試假參與這個親子活動所以部長我們可能某個程度要\n451340\t456924\t幫助他們來解決,因為時間有限,我們再看下一張有一個東西叫做親職活動,親職教育親職教育是一個名詞,就是說我也是這樣這次才學習就是指為人父母要學習教養子女的一些教育課程,內容包括正確的親子關係父母職責的認識,親子溝通的教育跟方法瞭解兒童所面對的社會問題去解決,自我成長等等\n476238\t498991\t但是面對這些也許學校老師非常努力非常認真去籌辦這些輕職教育的活動但是希望能夠提高家長的參與率但事實上家長的出席率還是不高那主要是他們不敢請假或未必就是說也不方便請假那輕職教育假是有他的意義跟這個責任那部長您是不是支持有這個輕職教育假那個是法規規定的輕職教育假過去沒有的\n503954\t526166\t其實對於就是育兒或相關孩子照顧的我們現在其實有一些價別是可以運用比如說有這個家庭照顧假他所說是要參加因為大部分都是會在假日或下班您提到家庭照顧假我再給你下一張就是我要談\n527206\t553929\t家庭照顧假,家庭照顧假現行法也是有一些問題他這個在全序部109年12月10日發布的函式說家庭照顧假應該要個案適時進行合理認定再給予重寬認定而且不要併入人事這個併入這個試假但是現在的時代生活形態不同會有新的狀況他譬如說之前疫情期間譬如說小孩有一些感染就說他可能會需要一些額外的就是說\n554189\t579531\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n579531\t607952\t我們可以要講因為時代真的不同我們現在真的是缺小孩嘛下一張最後一張就是說我們在看現在就業保險法裡面他照顧的對象包括事業給付提早就業獎助津貼職業訓練生活津貼育嬰留職津貼失業人保險等等津貼但是剛剛我這個前面都提到一些都輕職假津貼輕職教育假家庭照顧假可不可能在這個現有的這個就業保險津貼裡面把因為時代所需要\n609352\t614473\t加入這幾項來做考慮因為我們本黨大概會提出相關的法規相關的草案法規那我不知道勞動部有沒有在準備這個事我覺得假設假設把它放進去會讓家長覺得說我如果來配合這些活動的參與跟學習這是一種責任跟榮譽而不是說我要被扣薪的那種負面感受\n631237\t653686\t我覺得對他們要願意養育孩子這種意願應該很正面我想增加相關的這個津貼來支持這個方向我是覺得是可以來討論但是就是說如果是以舊保的財源來看我是覺得這個問題還是會在財源的問題因為我們在舊保在支現在是幾乎育嬰留停是佔了我們的大宗44%以上44%將近45%失業給付佔了43%就是說我們現在\n660628\t678193\t謝謝部長。了解財源是一個問題。但是時代不同。原來舊保的目的是失業給付的一個財源。但沒有關係,這個我們一樣支持。但現在我的意思說,如果整個要擴大到金質價,今天其實是不夠。因為我們現在每年的結餘大概……\n679173\t679373\t陳昭姿\n701101\t701662\t陳昭姿委員\n","txt":"十萬青年十萬肝 雞雞輪班救臺灣\n這一句話他談的就是我們當然對這個臺經濟對臺灣經濟發展的貢獻沒有人是否定的但是就是說某個程度這個順口日也代表了就是說事實上就是有很多年輕人新鮮的肝因為熬夜這個輪班換來的一個成果那近期那個張忠謀董事長他因為在美國亞利桑那他設廠但是他因為勞力短缺他的進度整個是落後的\n他在接受媒體採訪的時候他就提到說他無法理解為什麼美國年輕的員工他對於這個工作跟生活品質要求這個平衡的一個態度就是work and life balance的態度那我想請教部長您對這樣的說法您的想法是什麼\n報告委員 我們勞動部一向主張工作跟生活要平衡工作的時候我們當然也要努力但是適當的休息讓身心能夠達到釋放這個是應該的謝謝部長部長我講兩個小故事給您聽我服務的醫院正對面就是過去長期服務就是一個非常非常有名的電腦公司有一年他們全部的員工在我們醫院做健康檢查結果我們發現他的健康檢查數字是滿江紅\n那另外我要談這個台灣的健保台灣的健保如果你問全民的這個滿意度大概都9成以上可是如果您只調查醫療人員醫事人員的就是醫療提供者大概滿意度頂多3成這是比離死盪還遙遠所以就是說當事人提供這些服務的時候他們認為是用他們的血汗\n陳昭姿\n您對於捍衛勞工他們追求比較他期待的生活方式您的想法或是你們會不會站出來捍衛這個勞工的期待對生活的跟工作品質平衡的期待\n您好,因為工作與生活平衡一向是勞動部的一個政策的重點。我們其實也都鼓勵企業主能夠讓勞工有適當的一個休閒,甚至要提供一些紓壓的課程,然後讓勞工能夠\n謝謝部長您就強調說是要一個堅固或平衡的一個想法不過早期很辛苦白手起家的企業家他們當然經歷不同時代不同他會有不同的想法部長我們回到今天主題很多雙薪小雙薪家庭他不敢生孩子我們先撇開這個經濟因素當然雙薪相對他的經濟因素可能是少一點點但是您覺得他們還是不願意生小孩部長您瞭解他們最主要的理由可能是什麼嗎就是雙薪家庭他們還是沒有要生孩子這樣子\n部長您談得非常正確第一個據我們了解整個收集資料第一個就是時間都給了工作因為這個根據媒體報導很多家長的共同困擾就是說他們因為要兼顧工作跟家庭\n所以他們覺得陪伴孩子的教育或成長的時間是有限沒有辦法很完整那即便交給保姆等等他們還是會擔心環境跟照顧的品質另外就是說他白天都付出給工作這是我們的責任\n但是回到家裡說老實說很多工作不能完全排除你在下班時間以後還是必須做你工作上的某一些支援跟回應這是第一個就他們覺得在時間上沒有辦法大概都給的工作比較多的比例第二個就是請假的這個困擾跟不便性例如說剛剛您也報告到育嬰假但是我知道育嬰假因為相對長所以他回到職場上他不一定能夠回到他比較期待的那個職位\n指定的他必須看他有權力復職但是有時候是有一些困難還有孩子生下來了他需要照顧他會發生一些額外的需要照顧的這個壓力所以這些都會成為就是說生育孩子養育孩子的一些顧慮跟這個阻力那現行的法規是性別平等工作法第16條孩子3歲以前可以請育嬰假但是老實說孩子3歲以後還是會有一些額外你需要照顧的這個\n所以這是第二件事就是說他們對於請假過去大概就會用試假特休來處理就是說請假的困擾不變是第二個第三個我認為時代是不同的現行的制度下是不是可能會加一些幫助生育孩子的一些誘因如果是30年前執行我不會加這件事我的時代是一年生40幾萬孩子但是我的孩子是生30萬孩子但去年部長知道生了13萬多的小孩\n所以我是覺得各部門是不是應該在現有的工作制度下加一點幫助讓他們願意生孩子幼嬰尤其這個育嬰族群他絕對是我們整個生產力的主力嘛那他們生小孩這個孩子是有孩子是讓我們國家繼續壯大永續的一個非常重要的因素\n所以很多的調查都發現說沒有完善的這個育兒配套措施確實是跟增育率的這個有正相關正相關的這個很多研究調查都證實所以部長人口負成長已經成為我們的國安問題那去年出生我剛剛提到才13萬多人\n對於已經出生的孩子怎麼樣幫助父母親在職場工作能夠有完善的照顧跟陪伴這也很重要請部長看一下右邊這個表這個是去年八月TVS他用social lab去查這個所謂的網路的那些聲量的就討論的排行榜\n職場父母育兒六大困難你可以看到第一名就是缺乏時間陪伴孩子這個占最高排行第一第二個是育兒政策配套不完善那還有保母的問題另外甚至有很多是女性她還在思考我是不是要離職來當一個全職媽媽這幾個因素也讓部長做參考部長這個現行有兩個法條居然是父母有義務跟責任一個就是幼兒教育及照顧法第41條\n他說家長父有參加教保服務機構之幼兒及親子活動的義務第二個教育基本法規定家長父有輔導子女的責任那部長這個法律您知道嗎就是說當爸爸媽媽是有責任有法律責任的但是大部分他們參加這個都是透過私人假期或試假參與這個親子活動所以部長我們可能某個程度要\n幫助他們來解決,因為時間有限,我們再看下一張有一個東西叫做親職活動,親職教育親職教育是一個名詞,就是說我也是這樣這次才學習就是指為人父母要學習教養子女的一些教育課程,內容包括正確的親子關係父母職責的認識,親子溝通的教育跟方法瞭解兒童所面對的社會問題去解決,自我成長等等\n但是面對這些也許學校老師非常努力非常認真去籌辦這些輕職教育的活動但是希望能夠提高家長的參與率但事實上家長的出席率還是不高那主要是他們不敢請假或未必就是說也不方便請假那輕職教育假是有他的意義跟這個責任那部長您是不是支持有這個輕職教育假那個是法規規定的輕職教育假過去沒有的\n其實對於就是育兒或相關孩子照顧的我們現在其實有一些價別是可以運用比如說有這個家庭照顧假他所說是要參加因為大部分都是會在假日或下班您提到家庭照顧假我再給你下一張就是我要談\n家庭照顧假,家庭照顧假現行法也是有一些問題他這個在全序部109年12月10日發布的函式說家庭照顧假應該要個案適時進行合理認定再給予重寬認定而且不要併入人事這個併入這個試假但是現在的時代生活形態不同會有新的狀況他譬如說之前疫情期間譬如說小孩有一些感染就說他可能會需要一些額外的就是說\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n我們可以要講因為時代真的不同我們現在真的是缺小孩嘛下一張最後一張就是說我們在看現在就業保險法裡面他照顧的對象包括事業給付提早就業獎助津貼職業訓練生活津貼育嬰留職津貼失業人保險等等津貼但是剛剛我這個前面都提到一些都輕職假津貼輕職教育假家庭照顧假可不可能在這個現有的這個就業保險津貼裡面把因為時代所需要\n加入這幾項來做考慮因為我們本黨大概會提出相關的法規相關的草案法規那我不知道勞動部有沒有在準備這個事我覺得假設假設把它放進去會讓家長覺得說我如果來配合這些活動的參與跟學習這是一種責任跟榮譽而不是說我要被扣薪的那種負面感受\n我覺得對他們要願意養育孩子這種意願應該很正面我想增加相關的這個津貼來支持這個方向我是覺得是可以來討論但是就是說如果是以舊保的財源來看我是覺得這個問題還是會在財源的問題因為我們在舊保在支現在是幾乎育嬰留停是佔了我們的大宗44%以上44%將近45%失業給付佔了43%就是說我們現在\n謝謝部長。了解財源是一個問題。但是時代不同。原來舊保的目的是失業給付的一個財源。但沒有關係,這個我們一樣支持。但現在我的意思說,如果整個要擴大到金質價,今天其實是不夠。因為我們現在每年的結餘大概……\n陳昭姿\n陳昭姿委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.005 --> 00:06.626\n十萬青年十萬肝雞雞輪班救臺灣\n\n00:23.724 --> 00:29.969\n這一句話他談的就是我們當然對這個臺經濟對臺灣經濟發展的貢獻沒有人是否定的但是就是說某個程度這個順口日也代表了就是說事實上就是有很多年輕人新鮮的肝因為熬夜這個輪班換來的一個成果那近期那個張忠謀董事長他因為在美國亞利桑那他設廠但是他因為勞力短缺他的進度整個是落後的\n\n00:53.727 --> 01:08.416\n他在接受媒體採訪的時候他就提到說他無法理解為什麼美國年輕的員工他對於這個工作跟生活品質要求這個平衡的一個態度就是workandlifebalance的態度那我想請教部長您對這樣的說法您的想法是什麼\n\n01:13.859 --> 01:40.361\n報告委員我們勞動部一向主張工作跟生活要平衡工作的時候我們當然也要努力但是適當的休息讓身心能夠達到釋放這個是應該的謝謝部長部長我講兩個小故事給您聽我服務的醫院正對面就是過去長期服務就是一個非常非常有名的電腦公司有一年他們全部的員工在我們醫院做健康檢查結果我們發現他的健康檢查數字是滿江紅\n\n01:42.162 --> 02:00.337\n那另外我要談這個台灣的健保台灣的健保如果你問全民的這個滿意度大概都9成以上可是如果您只調查醫療人員醫事人員的就是醫療提供者大概滿意度頂多3成這是比離死盪還遙遠所以就是說當事人提供這些服務的時候他們認為是用他們的血汗\n\n02:01.198 --> 02:01.238\n陳昭姿\n\n02:31.518 --> 02:35.360\n您對於捍衛勞工他們追求比較他期待的生活方式您的想法或是你們會不會站出來捍衛這個勞工的期待對生活的跟工作品質平衡的期待\n\n02:50.201 --> 03:07.558\n您好,因為工作與生活平衡一向是勞動部的一個政策的重點。我們其實也都鼓勵企業主能夠讓勞工有適當的一個休閒,甚至要提供一些紓壓的課程,然後讓勞工能夠\n\n03:12.122 --> 03:40.982\n謝謝部長您就強調說是要一個堅固或平衡的一個想法不過早期很辛苦白手起家的企業家他們當然經歷不同時代不同他會有不同的想法部長我們回到今天主題很多雙薪小雙薪家庭他不敢生孩子我們先撇開這個經濟因素當然雙薪相對他的經濟因素可能是少一點點但是您覺得他們還是不願意生小孩部長您瞭解他們最主要的理由可能是什麼嗎就是雙薪家庭他們還是沒有要生孩子這樣子\n\n03:42.663 --> 03:49.586\n部長您談得非常正確第一個據我們了解整個收集資料第一個就是時間都給了工作因為這個根據媒體報導很多家長的共同困擾就是說他們因為要兼顧工作跟家庭\n\n04:04.494 --> 04:06.955\n所以他們覺得陪伴孩子的教育或成長的時間是有限沒有辦法很完整那即便交給保姆等等他們還是會擔心環境跟照顧的品質另外就是說他白天都付出給工作這是我們的責任\n\n04:20.023 --> 04:30.787\n但是回到家裡說老實說很多工作不能完全排除你在下班時間以後還是必須做你工作上的某一些支援跟回應這是第一個就他們覺得在時間上沒有辦法大概都給的工作比較多的比例第二個就是請假的這個困擾跟不便性例如說剛剛您也報告到育嬰假但是我知道育嬰假因為相對長所以他回到職場上他不一定能夠回到他比較期待的那個職位\n\n04:46.592 --> 05:12.421\n指定的他必須看他有權力復職但是有時候是有一些困難還有孩子生下來了他需要照顧他會發生一些額外的需要照顧的這個壓力所以這些都會成為就是說生育孩子養育孩子的一些顧慮跟這個阻力那現行的法規是性別平等工作法第16條孩子3歲以前可以請育嬰假但是老實說孩子3歲以後還是會有一些額外你需要照顧的這個\n\n05:15.022 --> 05:32.132\n所以這是第二件事就是說他們對於請假過去大概就會用試假特休來處理就是說請假的困擾不變是第二個第三個我認為時代是不同的現行的制度下是不是可能會加一些幫助生育孩子的一些誘因如果是30年前執行我不會加這件事我的時代是一年生40幾萬孩子但是我的孩子是生30萬孩子但去年部長知道生了13萬多的小孩\n\n05:41.397 --> 05:59.253\n所以我是覺得各部門是不是應該在現有的工作制度下加一點幫助讓他們願意生孩子幼嬰尤其這個育嬰族群他絕對是我們整個生產力的主力嘛那他們生小孩這個孩子是有孩子是讓我們國家繼續壯大永續的一個非常重要的因素\n\n06:00.134 --> 06:17.160\n所以很多的調查都發現說沒有完善的這個育兒配套措施確實是跟增育率的這個有正相關正相關的這個很多研究調查都證實所以部長人口負成長已經成為我們的國安問題那去年出生我剛剛提到才13萬多人\n\n06:18.940 --> 06:37.907\n對於已經出生的孩子怎麼樣幫助父母親在職場工作能夠有完善的照顧跟陪伴這也很重要請部長看一下右邊這個表這個是去年八月TVS他用sociallab去查這個所謂的網路的那些聲量的就討論的排行榜\n\n06:40.128 --> 06:55.793\n職場父母育兒六大困難你可以看到第一名就是缺乏時間陪伴孩子這個占最高排行第一第二個是育兒政策配套不完善那還有保母的問題另外甚至有很多是女性她還在思考我是不是要離職來當一個全職媽媽這幾個因素也讓部長做參考部長這個現行有兩個法條居然是父母有義務跟責任一個就是幼兒教育及照顧法第41條\n\n07:07.017 --> 07:29.879\n他說家長父有參加教保服務機構之幼兒及親子活動的義務第二個教育基本法規定家長父有輔導子女的責任那部長這個法律您知道嗎就是說當爸爸媽媽是有責任有法律責任的但是大部分他們參加這個都是透過私人假期或試假參與這個親子活動所以部長我們可能某個程度要\n\n07:31.340 --> 07:36.924\n幫助他們來解決,因為時間有限,我們再看下一張有一個東西叫做親職活動,親職教育親職教育是一個名詞,就是說我也是這樣這次才學習就是指為人父母要學習教養子女的一些教育課程,內容包括正確的親子關係父母職責的認識,親子溝通的教育跟方法瞭解兒童所面對的社會問題去解決,自我成長等等\n\n07:56.238 --> 08:18.991\n但是面對這些也許學校老師非常努力非常認真去籌辦這些輕職教育的活動但是希望能夠提高家長的參與率但事實上家長的出席率還是不高那主要是他們不敢請假或未必就是說也不方便請假那輕職教育假是有他的意義跟這個責任那部長您是不是支持有這個輕職教育假那個是法規規定的輕職教育假過去沒有的\n\n08:23.954 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