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00:02:40,748\n再來這邊也要鼓勵部長說我們很快就啟動了天災臨時工的措施這個非常好因為我們可以提高當地的經濟還有就業率讓當地失業的受災者有工作但是我們來看一下內容左邊您講到說提供每個小時183元每個月最高補助27000塊大約是這樣子\n\n8\n00:02:43,909 --> 00:02:46,452\n就現在整體通膨物價飆漲您覺得這樣子的時薪是足夠的嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:53,157 --> 00:02:57,600\n部長您知道您現在的這個申請的受災失業者還有社會型專案計畫您知道現在已經有幾個人申請嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:18,847 --> 00:03:42,035\n我早上還特別查我請署長說明一下跟委員報告我們今天早上最新的統計花蓮現在瑞穗已經提出15位零工那現在目前大概還有幾個花蓮地區的鄉鎮目前都還在盤點所以寫出計畫的我早上問是零嗎還沒啊寫出計畫的只有提出申請要打零工的有15人對不起\n\n11\n00:03:48,322 --> 00:04:02,693\n這個委員其實目前這個林宮這個過去已經實施了非常多次其實現在地方政府其實目前都是很簡便那個計畫不是要寫很繁雜的其實大概就一個頁面大概就是需要多少大概人數大概就是基本資料而已\n\n12\n00:04:02,773 --> 00:04:05,894\n接下來呢他們會進入一個經濟的寒冬因為快要暑假所以許多人已經被取消了訂房\n\n13\n00:04:32,483 --> 00:04:54,984\n因為本來很多人家長要帶著小朋友去玩暑假花蓮是一個很旺季嘛但是現在他們因為這樣子的天災可能半年都還沒有辦法復甦所以我在這邊是提供部長一個建議不管是這個補助的金額或者是這個申請的程序您看我框起來這些表都是一週內要完成兩週內完成一週內完成\n\n14\n00:04:57,066 --> 00:05:22,335\n這些時間加一加也要個三個禮拜再來您看受災失業者他要提供的相關證明文件其實也相對是繁瑣的所以如果您可以把這個流程還有受災失業者他需要減負的文件盡量簡化這樣子我們才真的幫得到花蓮人嘛因為花蓮人現在需要的是麵包但看到你們端出的是麵包屑有一點緩不濟急啊\n\n15\n00:05:26,284 --> 00:05:50,975\n我們這個零工的措施一定是從優從速從簡其實需要的人他只要向勞動部申請立刻登記就我們就合了只是說那個鄉鎮公所他們要提計畫到底需要哪些工作提供我們那個也都是固定的一些有一些範例我們也都會協助他們盡快能夠把這個零工的措施能夠落實讓需要的人趕快來工作\n\n16\n00:05:52,135 --> 00:06:15,848\n謝謝部長,下一個我們來看一下今天我們既然是要討論育嬰假這個是我自己的小孩他上網看到行政院的有一個兒童版的網站許部長在上面介紹的非常可愛他說小朋友可以叫我阿春部長也是全國一千萬名勞工朋友的靠山但是呢就像剛才陳昭之委員有提到的\n\n17\n00:06:16,989 --> 00:06:33,031\n台灣勞工的比例非常的高雙薪家庭的比例也很高其實許許多多的小朋友不只是要部長當他們爸媽的靠山也很希望有爸媽的陪伴對因此大概在3到4週前呢\n\n18\n00:06:33,251 --> 00:06:35,913\n請問現在滾動式的調整您思考的如何了?報告委員我們那個是\n\n19\n00:06:53,971 --> 00:07:20,042\n不是這個是公務員的這是公務員這是公務員的但是當時媒體朋友有沒有向您詢問說是不是勞工也可以開始考慮做這樣子的我們現在也就是看行政院這邊因為還有再開一次會我印象中有再開過會那我們當然如果說這個方向是確定我們當然也認為勞工部分我們會來檢討跟進這樣子對\n\n20\n00:07:23,983 --> 00:07:51,201\n好我在這邊有一個比較具體的提議啦因為現在呢根據性別平等法規定7天應該要以家庭照顧假為計算如果可能你們因為這個現行法規的考量或者是這個預算的考量如果我們來要求勞動部研擬修改勞工的請假辦法再增加7天的試假的扣打但是不給新的給予育兒幼兒照顧假您覺得這方面是可行的嗎\n\n21\n00:07:53,388 --> 00:08:09,144\n報告委員我覺得這個部分都可以討論那我們可以邀請勞資雙方的團體大家來開會凝聚共識看怎麼來做因為這牽涉到他們的雙方的權益所以你覺得一個月內如果沿你這個勞工無薪\n\n22\n00:08:10,365 --> 00:08:11,706\n這是本黨之前在選舉期間提出但我看非常多的民進黨委員也提出跟我們相同的看法\n\n23\n00:08:28,493 --> 00:08:49,686\n認為需要追隨我們國際的標準將我們現行的產價延長到14週但是我也看了一下部長您的回覆是覺得說第一因為台灣是中小型企業比較多麻煩會不利女性的就業第二許許多多我們跟其他國家的計算方式不一樣所以呢我有看了\n\n24\n00:08:50,606 --> 00:09:18,963\n你們有一個150頁的報告是各國對於育兒勞工之影響及相關補助策略上寫得非常詳細我覺得部長您的這個勞動及職業安全衛生研究所他們做足了資料但是我們從裡面看起來勒不管是產假育嬰留停的津貼或是有薪資整體的週數其實我們都大幅的落後這些OECD的先進國家非常多\n\n25\n00:09:19,543 --> 00:09:43,127\n甚至丹麥阿法國他們還分成懷第一胎懷第二胎以及懷雙胞胎他產假的週數都有不同因為他知道說雙胞胎一定需要更久或是第二胎同時照顧第一胎會更累但是部長您覺得我們是不是應該要再稍微調整成比八週再長一點呢\n\n26\n00:09:44,578 --> 00:09:56,925\n報告委員,因為這個部分我是覺得也很多委員在倡議。我覺得我也有交代優待會說這個我們應該再來做一些討論,看看是不是可以來適度的把這個產價的這個週數是不是要\n\n27\n00:10:00,587 --> 00:10:05,792\n當然今天也有一個重點是講到男性育嬰假這個是許許多多的民意調查去調查為什麼台灣的男性會不想要請育嬰假這都非常合理比如說他們因為薪水因為主管的升遷考量\n\n28\n00:10:28,911 --> 00:10:42,321\n因為怕被講話他人的觀感等等覺得丟臉好這個是要給予勞動部肯定的2022年部長您知道為什麼男性申請育嬰假的比例創新高到達25%嗎\n\n29\n00:10:45,543 --> 00:11:00,096\n這個報告委員因為我們放寬齁第一個他其實可以同時30天短期數也可以再來他可以同個別或同時啦還有就是那個我們多了兩成的公務預算的補助薪資補助我想這個都是誘因的\n\n30\n00:11:01,396 --> 00:11:21,980\n對這個媒體也有幫您分析的當然有一些津貼再來疫情是一個很大的因素因為疫情期間有非常多托育的地方其實沒有開放所以他們不得不把小孩帶回家我覺得看到這樣子非常好因為根據您那個150頁的報告丹麥已經非常努力了男性的育兒假申請也頂多到30%然後我們居然可以在2022年衝到25%可是呢我希望這個數據\n\n31\n00:11:29,261 --> 00:11:50,340\n不要2023、2024又變回原來的10幾%對,因為我們就沒有疫情的加持了嘛所以今天有看到各位的匯報那各位的匯報有提到說呢我們要鼓勵這個全序部要鼓勵有申請育嬰留停的男性公務員出來做一些經驗分享\n\n32\n00:11:51,341 --> 00:12:17,391\n當然這個利益是很好但實際帶動的效果我覺得是有限啦這邊提供部長一個參考日本呢你也知道日本的文化也許比我們看待我們男性還要更為保守嘛所以日本他會做到說他由上往下整個去找出員工超過100人的公司並且這大概5萬家去制定而且公佈男性育嬰休假的比例的目標\n\n33\n00:12:18,877 --> 00:12:19,037\n陳菁徽委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6983\t7623\t上週三地震\n30632\t45927\t好但勞動部反應非常的快勞動部馬上發了一個新聞稿提到說假使是因為交通問題呢不可以歸就為員工的事情而遲到雇主不應視為遲到或曠職但是工資要照給要看與\n47889\t71018\t顧主自己協商部長你覺得如果100個顧主有幾個他會主動跟員工協商說好我們這個是有新的有新的假期報告委員因為這個天災是不可抗力雙方都不可規則所以法律才會這樣規定但是我想一般顧主他也是會體恤勞工的話應該都會給\n73699\t75021\t我先幫您做一個表格因為像上禮拜三我們在\n91118\t91258\t﹑陳菁徽\n120859\t121200\t好 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這個媒體也有幫您分析的當然有一些津貼再來疫情是一個很大的因素因為疫情期間有非常多托育的地方其實沒有開放所以他們不得不把小孩帶回家我覺得看到這樣子非常好因為根據您那個150頁的報告丹麥已經非常努力了男性的育兒假申請也頂多到30%然後我們居然可以在2022年衝到25%可是呢我希望這個數據\n689261\t710340\t不要2023、2024又變回原來的10幾%對,因為我們就沒有疫情的加持了嘛所以今天有看到各位的匯報那各位的匯報有提到說呢我們要鼓勵這個全序部要鼓勵有申請育嬰留停的男性公務員出來做一些經驗分享\n711341\t737391\t當然這個利益是很好但實際帶動的效果我覺得是有限啦這邊提供部長一個參考日本呢你也知道日本的文化也許比我們看待我們男性還要更為保守嘛所以日本他會做到說他由上往下整個去找出員工超過100人的公司並且這大概5萬家去制定而且公佈男性育嬰休假的比例的目標\n738877\t739037\t陳菁徽委員\n","txt":"上週三地震\n好但勞動部反應非常的快勞動部馬上發了一個新聞稿提到說假使是因為交通問題呢不可以歸就為員工的事情而遲到雇主不應視為遲到或曠職但是工資要照給要看與\n顧主自己協商部長你覺得如果100個顧主有幾個他會主動跟員工協商說好我們這個是有新的有新的假期報告委員因為這個天災是不可抗力雙方都不可規則所以法律才會這樣規定但是我想一般顧主他也是會體恤勞工的話應該都會給\n我先幫您做一個表格因為像上禮拜三我們在\n﹑陳菁徽\n好 這個我們來討論齁\n再來這邊也要鼓勵部長說我們很快就啟動了天災臨時工的措施這個非常好因為我們可以提高當地的經濟還有就業率讓當地失業的受災者有工作但是我們來看一下內容左邊您講到說提供每個小時183元每個月最高補助27000塊大約是這樣子\n就現在整體通膨物價飆漲您覺得這樣子的時薪是足夠的嗎?\n部長您知道您現在的這個申請的受災失業者還有社會型專案計畫您知道現在已經有幾個人申請嗎?\n我早上還特別查我請署長說明一下跟委員報告我們今天早上最新的統計花蓮現在瑞穗已經提出15位零工那現在目前大概還有幾個花蓮地區的鄉鎮目前都還在盤點所以寫出計畫的我早上問是零嗎還沒啊寫出計畫的只有提出申請要打零工的有15人對不起\n這個委員其實目前這個林宮這個過去已經實施了非常多次其實現在地方政府其實目前都是很簡便那個計畫不是要寫很繁雜的其實大概就一個頁面大概就是需要多少大概人數大概就是基本資料而已\n接下來呢他們會進入一個經濟的寒冬因為快要暑假所以許多人已經被取消了訂房\n因為本來很多人家長要帶著小朋友去玩暑假花蓮是一個很旺季嘛但是現在他們因為這樣子的天災可能半年都還沒有辦法復甦所以我在這邊是提供部長一個建議不管是這個補助的金額或者是這個申請的程序您看我框起來這些表都是一週內要完成兩週內完成一週內完成\n這些時間加一加也要個三個禮拜再來您看受災失業者他要提供的相關證明文件其實也相對是繁瑣的所以如果您可以把這個流程還有受災失業者他需要減負的文件盡量簡化這樣子我們才真的幫得到花蓮人嘛因為花蓮人現在需要的是麵包但看到你們端出的是麵包屑有一點緩不濟急啊\n我們這個零工的措施一定是從優從速從簡其實需要的人他只要向勞動部申請立刻登記就我們就合了只是說那個鄉鎮公所他們要提計畫到底需要哪些工作提供我們那個也都是固定的一些有一些範例我們也都會協助他們盡快能夠把這個零工的措施能夠落實讓需要的人趕快來工作\n謝謝部長,下一個我們來看一下今天我們既然是要討論育嬰假這個是我自己的小孩他上網看到行政院的有一個兒童版的網站許部長在上面介紹的非常可愛他說小朋友可以叫我阿春部長也是全國一千萬名勞工朋友的靠山但是呢就像剛才陳昭之委員有提到的\n台灣勞工的比例非常的高雙薪家庭的比例也很高其實許許多多的小朋友不只是要部長當他們爸媽的靠山也很希望有爸媽的陪伴對因此大概在3到4週前呢\n請問現在滾動式的調整您思考的如何了?報告委員我們那個是\n不是 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這個是公務員的這是公務員這是公務員的但是當時媒體朋友有沒有向您詢問說是不是勞工也可以開始考慮做這樣子的我們現在也就是看行政院這邊因為還有再開一次會我印象中有再開過會那我們當然如果說這個方向是確定我們當然也認為勞工部分我們會來檢討跟進這樣子對"},{"start":443.983,"end":471.201,"text":"好我在這邊有一個比較具體的提議啦因為現在呢根據性別平等法規定7天應該要以家庭照顧假為計算如果可能你們因為這個現行法規的考量或者是這個預算的考量如果我們來要求勞動部研擬修改勞工的請假辦法再增加7天的試假的扣打但是不給新的給予育兒幼兒照顧假您覺得這方面是可行的嗎"},{"start":473.388,"end":489.144,"text":"報告委員我覺得這個部分都可以討論那我們可以邀請勞資雙方的團體大家來開會凝聚共識看怎麼來做因為這牽涉到他們的雙方的權益所以你覺得一個月內如果沿你這個勞工無薪"},{"start":490.365,"end":491.706,"text":"這是本黨之前在選舉期間提出但我看非常多的民進黨委員也提出跟我們相同的看法"},{"start":508.493,"end":529.686,"text":"認為需要追隨我們國際的標準將我們現行的產價延長到14週但是我也看了一下部長您的回覆是覺得說第一因為台灣是中小型企業比較多麻煩會不利女性的就業第二許許多多我們跟其他國家的計算方式不一樣所以呢我有看了"},{"start":530.606,"end":558.963,"text":"你們有一個150頁的報告是各國對於育兒勞工之影響及相關補助策略上寫得非常詳細我覺得部長您的這個勞動及職業安全衛生研究所他們做足了資料但是我們從裡面看起來勒不管是產假育嬰留停的津貼或是有薪資整體的週數其實我們都大幅的落後這些OECD的先進國家非常多"},{"start":559.543,"end":583.127,"text":"甚至丹麥阿法國他們還分成懷第一胎懷第二胎以及懷雙胞胎他產假的週數都有不同因為他知道說雙胞胎一定需要更久或是第二胎同時照顧第一胎會更累但是部長您覺得我們是不是應該要再稍微調整成比八週再長一點呢"},{"start":584.578,"end":596.925,"text":"報告委員,因為這個部分我是覺得也很多委員在倡議。我覺得我也有交代優待會說這個我們應該再來做一些討論,看看是不是可以來適度的把這個產價的這個週數是不是要"},{"start":600.587,"end":605.792,"text":"當然今天也有一個重點是講到男性育嬰假這個是許許多多的民意調查去調查為什麼台灣的男性會不想要請育嬰假這都非常合理比如說他們因為薪水因為主管的升遷考量"},{"start":628.911,"end":642.321,"text":"因為怕被講話他人的觀感等等覺得丟臉好這個是要給予勞動部肯定的2022年部長您知道為什麼男性申請育嬰假的比例創新高到達25%嗎"},{"start":645.543,"end":660.096,"text":"這個報告委員因為我們放寬齁第一個他其實可以同時30天短期數也可以再來他可以同個別或同時啦還有就是那個我們多了兩成的公務預算的補助薪資補助我想這個都是誘因的"},{"start":661.396,"end":681.98,"text":"對 這個媒體也有幫您分析的當然有一些津貼再來疫情是一個很大的因素因為疫情期間有非常多托育的地方其實沒有開放所以他們不得不把小孩帶回家我覺得看到這樣子非常好因為根據您那個150頁的報告丹麥已經非常努力了男性的育兒假申請也頂多到30%然後我們居然可以在2022年衝到25%可是呢我希望這個數據"},{"start":689.261,"end":710.34,"text":"不要2023、2024又變回原來的10幾%對,因為我們就沒有疫情的加持了嘛所以今天有看到各位的匯報那各位的匯報有提到說呢我們要鼓勵這個全序部要鼓勵有申請育嬰留停的男性公務員出來做一些經驗分享"},{"start":711.341,"end":737.391,"text":"當然這個利益是很好但實際帶動的效果我覺得是有限啦這邊提供部長一個參考日本呢你也知道日本的文化也許比我們看待我們男性還要更為保守嘛所以日本他會做到說他由上往下整個去找出員工超過100人的公司並且這大概5萬家去制定而且公佈男性育嬰休假的比例的目標"},{"start":738.877,"end":739.037,"text":"陳菁徽委員"}]}}}}