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00:01:48,982\n想問部長因為照顧離職的問題一直都很嚴重尤其對於女性在家庭的一個觀念裡邊很多時候長期是被要求要負擔照顧起老的小的那所以部長對於目前我知道你們有這樣的統計可是想問更細緻的就是說其中照顧失能者老人嬰兒跟兒童的人數有各自有多少就是說因為家裡的照顧而去離開職場的\n\n4\n00:01:50,979 --> 00:01:59,222\n報告委員根據主席總書的資料照顧65歲以上的長輩而離職的這是去年5月公布的9000人\n\n5\n00:02:12,088 --> 00:02:38,835\n所以部長是不是可以因為所有的因為我說我個人很喜歡看數據看數據之後你背後的問題要怎麼去解決如果充分掌握這數據就知道說你今天要提出來的所有的對應勞工的問題的話才有辦法能夠被解決那現在今天提出來的就想問的是現行的你剛剛報告的就育嬰留\n\n6\n00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:41,336\n請問父母同時可以申請嗎?可以。\n\n7\n00:02:54,778 --> 00:03:18,154\n那怎麼執行?何時執行?為什麼?因為現在時間3月你們也有開過會那到底什麼時候是要執行?是520之前還是520之後還預計如何讓企業來執行為什麼?不是把一個公文紙或是發一個宣傳企業雖然你的報告裡面也有提到說一定會有就是鼓勵可是這個鼓勵機制\n\n8\n00:03:19,535 --> 00:03:46,247\n部長應該也知道你們企圖鼓勵鼓勵誰辦了政府部門辦了醫療院所辦了可是呢真正我們認為的商業那些企業事實上是沒在辦理的所以想問的是你怎麼去鼓勵這些企業可能你這些報告的都認為不會有效果報告委沒關係這個部分其實我們當初這個這個事辦的原則當初是就是就是說希望採志願的志願性的讓他們來參與\n\n9\n00:03:48,288 --> 00:04:08,097\n所以但是當然我們這樣的原則出來也很多委員有很多的指教所以我也認為說其實大家講的也都有道理我們現在透過示範原則來瞭解職場﹖可不可以找一些比較大企業的我覺得也兼顧社會責任因為今天他的公司可以運作的話是運作10年20年\n\n10\n00:04:09,378 --> 00:04:10,059\n請部長這邊是不是在...\n\n11\n00:04:25,979 --> 00:04:40,738\n所謂招募的時候可能要特別去注意到這一點跟委員報告我們除了公部門以外私部門的大型企業也有表達參與的意願不過我跟委員報告就是說原來我們預計是5月1號要上路不過因為委員好多委員對這個\n\n12\n00:04:41,779 --> 00:04:44,960\n市長,我想問的還有一個是,如果這個要上路,你所有的準備準備好了沒?因為本席認為在技術上請假方法變革挑戰會\n\n13\n00:05:05,709 --> 00:05:24,199\n在顧主的身上。若對政府來講這些系統是不是健全?因為為什麼?因為包括請假的日數、津貼申請的作業這些都要資訊系統完成。不知道這現在的狀況建制的如何?報告委員這個如果是那個未來津貼的給付之類其實我們保險是已經在\n\n14\n00:05:24,899 --> 00:05:52,322\n有做一些初步的一些規劃了這個都有因應這一次的事辦原則不過就是說大企業這邊當然我們也在會邀請他們再來做一些說明會因為現在有登記要來參與事辦的我們也會先召集他們來做一些我希望系統可以處理好因為過往我們在民間在用政府的系統都很難用所以不要到時候要登載這些造成多困擾院縣畢竟單日也可以的話\n\n15\n00:05:52,950 --> 00:06:06,764\n要試辦單日也可以的話那個複雜度會非常非常的高可能就要去做考慮那再來你如果說今天要去顧到嬰兒的時候也要問的是那幼兒跟老人呢因為為什麼因為民間團體也一直在倡議說可不可以有\n\n16\n00:06:11,142 --> 00:06:24,683\n給親職假,我想剛剛前面金威委員也問到那個親職假,就是你是不是可以藉此次的試辦計畫用日或者甚至用時來計,那有沒有對這項\n\n17\n00:06:25,845 --> 00:06:27,145\n這個事辦計畫未來是不是可以考慮\n\n18\n00:06:55,014 --> 00:07:21,063\n不是只有3歲事實上3歲前幾乎在保母家還可以彈性度比較高一點然後或是托嬰中心可到幼兒園的時候長病毒這個問題就常常花掉家長可能要請個5天那常常都會是他們一個在勞動條件裡邊他們會覺得對他們來講比較不這麼好所以有沒有考慮延伸到8歲然後把我們的家庭照顧假也合併進來來作為一個親子假\n\n19\n00:07:23,864 --> 00:07:52,471\n這個報告委員其實優於法令的這個都可以先在事辦裡面都可以先做不過如果連結到要給津貼因為我們現在法令規定是三歲以下所以可不可以去考量一下就是要牽涉到修法但是我的意思是說事辦原則的部分我是覺得可以放寬因為民間團體會提出來表示他們一直以來就是會受到很多家長的需求才會提出這樣的一個訴求在\n\n20\n00:08:11,489 --> 00:08:15,712\n請部長這邊去做考量再來就是長照也會是一個問題我說不是只有顧到嬰兒可能\n\n21\n00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:42,508\n女性離開勞動市場她除了事實上是小孩以外還有一個就是老人那日本他們有一個93天的長期照顧安排假也就是一個被照顧者一年有93天的時間可以被\n\n22\n00:08:43,421 --> 00:09:02,890\n做為長期照顧的安排那子女就可以去請這個假那分三次請然後用社會保險支出67%的薪水那過去部長這邊也曾經回答過反正一年一個人93天一年大概就要363億的預算終歸就是錢嘛可是錢如果可以讓我們的女性來進入到勞動市場的話來讓我們的經濟發展可以更好的話這363億不是一個難處所以我不知道\n\n23\n00:09:12,714 --> 00:09:27,284\n就當時已經有提出來我不知道這有沒有有已經去考慮那民間團體也108年的時候也在提出來就30天的有心照顧假跟150天的彈性請假的一個長照安排日本是93天那臺灣民間團體是提出這樣子的一個\n\n24\n00:09:30,891 --> 00:09:52,447\n所以請問一下這個因為已經在也討論好多年因為108年提出來當時勞動部的回答是說要邀請相關的團體學者來開會討論然後也表示每年大概有18.7萬人應照顧然後減少工時請假跟轉換工作所以有累積到13.3萬人應\n\n25\n00:09:54,898 --> 00:09:55,118\n我們其實有開過會了齁\n\n26\n00:10:12,426 --> 00:10:28,396\n那個我先講就在雇主端的部分大概應該有65%以上是反對為什麼他們認為說在整個人力的調配上他們會產生困難那在受雇者方面他主要的問題在於說如果\n\n27\n00:10:29,036 --> 00:10:29,196\n林月琴議員\n\n28\n00:10:44,885 --> 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這個如果是那個未來津貼的給付之類其實我們保險是已經在\n有做一些初步的一些規劃了這個都有因應這一次的事辦原則不過就是說大企業這邊當然我們也在會邀請他們再來做一些說明會因為現在有登記要來參與事辦的我們也會先召集他們來做一些我希望系統可以處理好因為過往我們在民間在用政府的系統都很難用所以不要到時候要登載這些造成多困擾院縣畢竟單日也可以的話\n要試辦單日也可以的話那個複雜度會非常非常的高可能就要去做考慮那再來你如果說今天要去顧到嬰兒的時候也要問的是那幼兒跟老人呢因為為什麼因為民間團體也一直在倡議說可不可以有\n給親職假,我想剛剛前面金威委員也問到那個親職假,就是你是不是可以藉此次的試辦計畫用日或者甚至用時來計,那有沒有對這項\n這個事辦計畫未來是不是可以考慮\n不是只有3歲事實上3歲前幾乎在保母家還可以彈性度比較高一點然後或是托嬰中心可到幼兒園的時候長病毒這個問題就常常花掉家長可能要請個5天那常常都會是他們一個在勞動條件裡邊他們會覺得對他們來講比較不這麼好所以有沒有考慮延伸到8歲然後把我們的家庭照顧假也合併進來來作為一個親子假\n這個報告委員其實優於法令的這個都可以先在事辦裡面都可以先做不過如果連結到要給津貼因為我們現在法令規定是三歲以下所以可不可以去考量一下就是要牽涉到修法但是我的意思是說事辦原則的部分我是覺得可以放寬因為民間團體會提出來表示他們一直以來就是會受到很多家長的需求才會提出這樣的一個訴求在\n⋯⋯\n請部長這邊去做考量再來就是長照也會是一個問題我說不是只有顧到嬰兒可能\n女性離開勞動市場她除了事實上是小孩以外還有一個就是老人那日本他們有一個93天的長期照顧安排假也就是一個被照顧者一年有93天的時間可以被\n做為長期照顧的安排那子女就可以去請這個假那分三次請然後用社會保險支出67%的薪水那過去部長這邊也曾經回答過反正一年一個人93天一年大概就要363億的預算終歸就是錢嘛可是錢如果可以讓我們的女性來進入到勞動市場的話來讓我們的經濟發展可以更好的話這363億不是一個難處所以我不知道\n就當時已經有提出來我不知道這有沒有有已經去考慮那民間團體也108年的時候也在提出來就30天的有心照顧假跟150天的彈性請假的一個長照安排日本是93天那臺灣民間團體是提出這樣子的一個\n所以請問一下這個因為已經在也討論好多年因為108年提出來當時勞動部的回答是說要邀請相關的團體學者來開會討論然後也表示每年大概有18.7萬人應照顧然後減少工時請假跟轉換工作所以有累積到13.3萬人應\n我們其實有開過會了齁\n那個我先講就在雇主端的部分大概應該有65%以上是反對為什麼他們認為說在整個人力的調配上他們會產生困難那在受雇者方面他主要的問題在於說如果\n林月琴議員\n少子化跟高齡老化是綁在一起的\n林月琴\n認為這個應該要去考慮啦到底要不要到30天甚至到150天可是要去考慮你不能只有顧到嬰兒否則的話你吹不了聲然後呢老的又沒辦法然後一個女性他進入到他只要進入到家裡一兩年大家要回到職場事實上困難度會增高所以這個部分是不是可以請部長這邊兩週後提出一些相關的\n您的對應措施是什麼提供給我們辦公室謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.488 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04:08.097\n所以但是當然我們這樣的原則出來也很多委員有很多的指教所以我也認為說其實大家講的也都有道理我們現在透過示範原則來瞭解職場﹖可不可以找一些比較大企業的我覺得也兼顧社會責任因為今天他的公司可以運作的話是運作10年20年\n\n04:09.378 --> 04:10.059\n請部長這邊是不是在...\n\n04:25.979 --> 04:40.738\n所謂招募的時候可能要特別去注意到這一點跟委員報告我們除了公部門以外私部門的大型企業也有表達參與的意願不過我跟委員報告就是說原來我們預計是5月1號要上路不過因為委員好多委員對這個\n\n04:41.779 --> 04:44.960\n市長,我想問的還有一個是,如果這個要上路,你所有的準備準備好了沒?因為本席認為在技術上請假方法變革挑戰會\n\n05:05.709 --> 05:24.199\n在顧主的身上。若對政府來講這些系統是不是健全?因為為什麼?因為包括請假的日數、津貼申請的作業這些都要資訊系統完成。不知道這現在的狀況建制的如何?報告委員這個如果是那個未來津貼的給付之類其實我們保險是已經在\n\n05:24.899 --> 05:52.322\n有做一些初步的一些規劃了這個都有因應這一次的事辦原則不過就是說大企業這邊當然我們也在會邀請他們再來做一些說明會因為現在有登記要來參與事辦的我們也會先召集他們來做一些我希望系統可以處理好因為過往我們在民間在用政府的系統都很難用所以不要到時候要登載這些造成多困擾院縣畢竟單日也可以的話\n\n05:52.950 --> 06:06.764\n要試辦單日也可以的話那個複雜度會非常非常的高可能就要去做考慮那再來你如果說今天要去顧到嬰兒的時候也要問的是那幼兒跟老人呢因為為什麼因為民間團體也一直在倡議說可不可以有\n\n06:11.142 --> 06:24.683\n給親職假,我想剛剛前面金威委員也問到那個親職假,就是你是不是可以藉此次的試辦計畫用日或者甚至用時來計,那有沒有對這項\n\n06:25.845 --> 06:27.145\n這個事辦計畫未來是不是可以考慮\n\n06:55.014 --> 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