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Quota，就是父親的天數要占到一定的比例。我給部長看的就是目前我們臺灣其實沒有任何強制性的措施，我們也沒有要求、我們也沒有設定目標。在日本，他們希望2025年男性請育嬰假的比例可以達到50%，但是我們臺灣沒有目標。就這個部分，請問部長，我們臺灣沒有具體的措施，也沒有目標，我們要如何提升？"],["許部長銘春：報告委員，我們這一次彈性育嬰留停的試辦，其實就是希望找出臺灣可以做的一個方法，包括委員您給我們日本的這些規範，還有他們即將要強制放育嬰假，我覺得都可以參考，所以我剛剛也指示業務單位，有關這個部分，我們要來蒐集，好的經驗，我們都應該來參考。"],["王委員育敏：我覺得解決少子化的問題，最關鍵的就是我們現在應該給年輕爸媽更多友善跟彈性的措施，所以勞動部的角色坦白講非常重要，因為你轄下這麼多的企業跟勞工，如果這一塊可以改善，就改善了超過一半以上，1,000萬的勞工都在你這邊，所以這個部分，我拜託勞動部一定要積極一點。日本都可以往這個方向做，臺灣當然也可以。所以過去我們大概都是比較柔性的，就是呼籲，包括我們的性別工作平等法，大概都是走比較柔性的，沒有強制希望企業可以主動做什麼，但是政策跟法令是可以引導的。日本的作法，我覺得很值得臺灣來做參考，如果我們要提高男性的參與率，提高讓男職員放育嬰假的比例，我們應該要讓企業各雇主擔負起相對的責任，而且政策也應該要有一些要求，就是讓企業的力量可以出來，我希望這個可以納進來。"],["許部長銘春：好。"],["王委員育敏：最後我要提到最近這個試辦方案，我覺得很重要，但是民間團體希望不是只開放到日，可以開放到小時，既然要彈性，是不是就給家長最大的彈性？這一塊勞動部現在可以做嗎？在你們的試辦方案有開放到小時了嗎？"],["許部長銘春：報告委員，那個試辦方案，我是覺得都可以滾動檢討，甚至配合這樣的方案……"],["王委員育敏：你們現在沒有到小時嘛？"],["許部長銘春：沒關係，這個部分我早上也跟前面的委員講過，我的試辦原則現在還在蒐集各界的意見，等整個意見更完整，我們再來試辦都沒有關係，包括像委員您建議的，是不是把它放寬彈性到小時，或者年齡往上到8歲，我覺得在這次試辦原則裡面都可以，只是如果要津貼，因為我們現在的法律規定是要3歲以下，而且我們有一些規定，所以到小時可能會有困難。"],["王委員育敏：我知道……"],["許部長銘春：這個部分我們再來……"],["王委員育敏：另外一個要搭配的不是育嬰假，而是所謂的有薪家庭照顧假，你知道嗎？有薪家庭照顧假，各界已經呼籲很久了，公務人員都已經可以開始，不只有有薪家庭照顧假，還有6歲以下叫幼兒照顧假，但是在勞工這一塊就是完全沒有，就是無薪的家庭照顧假，這一塊我認為應該要突破了，而且它突破的第一步應該就是先針對有子女的家庭，如果整體的經費不夠，那麼6歲以下先做啊！或者是再拉到12歲，但是這一塊，我覺得我們都沒有往前再進一步，既然現在育嬰假我們願意再開放彈性，這個是3歲以下，但是小孩子會生病不是只有3歲以下，就是3歲以上到小學階段，他常常會因為感染疾病或什麼，他需要請假，既然公務人員可以有有薪的家庭照顧假，你再開放給勞工有薪的家庭照顧假，我覺得這個應該各界要開始來研議了，我們現在少子化真的到一個很誇張的地步了，去年十三萬多的新生兒，這一塊如果我們政府的政策再不跟上、再不做一些突破，我覺得我們少子化的現象恐怕還要持續探底，我覺得這部分勞動部責無旁貸，是不是可以拜託勞動部回去同時好好研議，可以嗎？"],["許部長銘春：好，謝謝委員，我們會來做一個討論跟研議。"],["王委員育敏：好，謝謝部長。"],["主席（林委員月琴代）：謝謝王委員。","接下來麻煩我們的黃秀芳委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":154,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-11","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","王育敏","涂權吉","邱鎮軍","王正旭","林淑芬","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:35,607\n然後很多重要風景點他幾乎是山崩地裂這個受到的受創太嚴重的短時是沒有辦法回復的所以本席今天要要求勞動部的就是雖然4月5號你有第一時間你有提出來你有2000個臨時工要協助重建\n\n8\n00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:58,935\n但本席認為這個是不夠的因為你包括你提到從優從素從簡這三個原則我覺得這個真的太少第一個從素的部分到目前為止這個還沒有這個勞工真的是透過臨時工開始取得這樣的一個資源嘛其實從素根本還沒有做到所以我覺得這個整個0403勞動部應該要成立一個專案\n\n9\n00:03:02,836 --> 00:03:16,286\n不是用你原來的你這些臨時工的方案而是你特別成立一個專案而這個專案就是你要主動去掌握目前災區受創的員工包括受傷的包括他現在可能面臨失業的家裡其實受到很大衝擊的這個總共的人數有多少然後你盤點出這樣的人數搭配你現行的2000個臨時工你要看這個到底夠不夠我覺得有可能是不夠的人數我們都可以在\n\n10\n00:03:31,738 --> 00:03:41,862\n那另外的就是說你給的方法因為大家現在都忙著重建家裡也受創可能公司也受到影響所以他不見他甚至他自己受傷他怎麼樣再去從事臨時工所以針對這樣的一個很大的天災我認為是要有一個特別的專案來協助所以現在是不是部長你可以成立一個0403的針對花蓮地區受災的勞工有一個特別的專案\n\n11\n00:04:00,049 --> 00:04:15,198\n另外一個我覺得這些勞工有的可能還需要貸款是勞工貸款你過去只有在過年的時候會有這個勞工貸款但這一次我覺得災區受創太嚴重了他可能根本沒有辦法他可能需要有些貸款你看到有一些早餐店他根本就倒掉了\n\n12\n00:04:15,818 --> 00:04:15,858\n好﹗我們\n\n13\n00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:47,506\n其實這幾天一直都有主動來聯繫不過也提讓他們那邊其實\n\n14\n00:04:48,881 --> 00:04:51,222\n接下來我要問的是今天主題提到的\n\n15\n00:05:14,855 --> 00:05:38,645\n有關於男性請育嬰假的部分的確我們現在看到男性請育嬰假的比例雖然有在提高但是提高的速度還是緩慢的跟女性比起來他們現在請領的還是偏低只有兩成五大概是四分之一那針對這個部分今天在勞動部的相關報告裡面我沒有看到一個比較具體的改善的措施\n\n16\n00:05:39,107 --> 00:06:05,186\n但是我就要請這個部長來看一下日本跟瑞典是怎麼做的在日本的部分他現在開始就是強制性出來了他要強制企業給男性的職員來放育嬰假就是僱員超過1000人以上的企業他要求企業要報出來就是說你男性請育嬰假的資料而且沒有達到沒有達標的他會被公開\n\n17\n00:06:07,007 --> 00:06:24,419\n另外就是嚴密要求百人以上的企業就是要去制定就是公司你自己去制定你要怎麼去提高這整個男性育嬰假的措施那在瑞典他是每位新生兒父母親都可以共同擁有育嬰假有一個Ladyquota\n\n18\n00:06:25,799 --> 00:06:53,213\n父親的天數要佔到一定的比例那我給部長看的就是我們目前臺灣我們其實沒有任何強制性的措施我們也沒有要求我們也沒有設定目標在日本他們希望2025年可以達到男性請育嬰假比例達到50%但是我們臺灣沒有目標那在這個部分請問部長我們臺灣沒有具體的措施也沒有目標我們要如何提升\n\n19\n00:06:53,613 --> 00:07:10,159\n報告委員其實我們這一次就是那個彈性育嬰留停的一個示範其實就是要希望找出一個臺灣可以做的一個方法那報告委員您給我們這個日本的這些規範還有他們即將要強制我覺得都可以參考\n\n20\n00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:13,482\n我剛剛其實也只是業務單位這個部分我們要來收集好的經驗我們都應該來參考我覺得解決少子化的問題最關鍵就是我們現在應該給我們的年輕爸媽更多友善跟彈性的措施\n\n21\n00:07:26,375 --> 00:07:44,554\n所以勞動部的角色坦白講非常重要因為你狹下這麼多的企業跟勞工如果這一塊可以改善就改善了超過一半以上一千萬的勞工都在你這邊所以我覺得這個部分我拜託勞動部一定要積極一點日本都可以往這個方向做\n\n22\n00:07:45,014 --> 00:08:00,938\n台灣當然也可以所以過去我們大概都是比較柔性的就是說呼籲包括我們的性別工作平等法我們大概都是走比較柔性的沒有去強制希望企業可以主動做什麼但是政策跟法律是可以引導的日本的做法我覺得很值得台灣來做參考\n\n23\n00:08:02,999 --> 00:08:28,099\n就是如果我們要提高這個男性的參與率的話然後讓男職員放育嬰假提高他的比例我們應該要讓企業各僱主其實擔負起相對的責任而且政策你也應該要有一些要求就是讓企業的力量可以出來這個我希望這個可以納進來那另外最後這邊我要提到的就是最近的這個試辦方案我覺得很重要\n\n24\n00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:48,499\n但是民間團體希望不是只開放到日可以開放到小時既然要彈性是不是就給家長最大的彈性那這一塊勞動部現在可以做嗎在你們的試辦方案有開放到小時了嗎報告委員那個試辦方案我是覺得都可以滾動檢討甚至配合這樣的方案你們現在沒有到小時嗎\n\n25\n00:08:48,919 --> 00:09:13,752\n沒關係報告委其實這個部分我早上也跟前面的委員講說我的試辦原則我現在還要搜集各界的意見我等整個意見更完整我們再來試辦都沒有關係包括說像委員您建議的說是不是把他放關檯一直到小時或者說那個年齡上到8歲我覺得在這試辦原則裡面都可以只是說如果要津貼因為我們現在的法令規定是要\n\n26\n00:09:15,434 --> 00:09:18,236\n但是在勞工這一塊就是完全沒有就是無薪的家庭照顧假\n\n27\n00:09:43,755 --> 00:10:12,673\n那這一塊我認為應該要突破了而且它突破的第一步應該就是先針對有子女的這個家庭你如果說整體的經費不夠那6歲以下先做啊或者是再拉到12歲啊但是這一塊我覺得我們都沒有往前再進一步既然我們現在這個育嬰假我們願意再開放彈性這個是3歲以下但是小孩子會生病不是只有3歲以下就是3歲以上到小學階段他常常會因為感染疾病什麼他要請假\n\n28\n00:10:13,573 --> 00:10:29,978\n那這個如果可以既然公務人員可以有有薪的家庭照顧假你再開放給勞工這個有薪的家庭照顧假我覺得這個應該各界要開始來研議了我們現在少子化真的到一個很誇張的地步了去年13萬多的新生兒\n\n29\n00:10:30,638 --> 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quota\n父親的天數要佔到一定的比例那我給部長看的就是我們目前臺灣我們其實沒有任何強制性的措施我們也沒有要求我們也沒有設定目標在日本他們希望2025年可以達到男性請育嬰假比例達到50%但是我們臺灣沒有目標那在這個部分請問部長我們臺灣沒有具體的措施也沒有目標我們要如何提升\n報告委員其實我們這一次就是那個彈性育嬰留停的一個示範其實就是要希望找出一個臺灣可以做的一個方法那報告委員您給我們這個日本的這些規範還有他們即將要強制我覺得都可以參考\n我剛剛其實也只是業務單位 這個部分我們要來收集好的經驗我們都應該來參考我覺得解決少子化的問題最關鍵就是我們現在應該給我們的年輕爸媽更多友善跟彈性的措施\n所以勞動部的角色坦白講非常重要因為你狹下這麼多的企業跟勞工如果這一塊可以改善就改善了超過一半以上一千萬的勞工都在你這邊所以我覺得這個部分我拜託勞動部一定要積極一點日本都可以往這個方向做\n台灣當然也可以所以過去我們大概都是比較柔性的就是說呼籲包括我們的性別工作平等法我們大概都是走比較柔性的沒有去強制希望企業可以主動做什麼但是政策跟法律是可以引導的日本的做法我覺得很值得台灣來做參考\n就是如果我們要提高這個男性的參與率的話然後讓男職員放育嬰假提高他的比例我們應該要讓企業各僱主其實擔負起相對的責任而且政策你也應該要有一些要求就是讓企業的力量可以出來這個我希望這個可以納進來那另外最後這邊我要提到的就是最近的這個試辦方案我覺得很重要\n但是民間團體希望不是只開放到日可以開放到小時既然要彈性是不是就給家長最大的彈性那這一塊勞動部現在可以做嗎在你們的試辦方案有開放到小時了嗎報告委員那個試辦方案我是覺得都可以滾動檢討甚至配合這樣的方案你們現在沒有到小時嗎\n沒關係 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