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--> 00:02:02,112\n韓國瑜報告\n\n7\n00:02:21,843 --> 00:02:49,670\n本奉因為本奉這個是因為開辦社會保險當初就是以本奉加保這跟勞工是以停薪加保不一樣所以確實啦公務人員的那個育嬰留職停薪今天是會比勞工低一點然後這個如果要改進當然會涉及到整體公保財務的一個問題可能說你要提高的話還要提高那個繳會的匯率這個影響會比較大我們部理院會進一步去做一個評估\n\n8\n00:02:50,530 --> 00:03:05,189\n有沒有可能去做一個檢討就是說因為我們現在申請是用本封嘛那有沒有可能是用實質的收入來列為那個育嬰留停的這個補貼有沒有可能這樣做\n\n9\n00:03:07,257 --> 00:03:21,602\n因為現在是那個社會保險這邊來擠戶六成那政府擠戶的部分是兩成除非政府擠戶的部分要再提高那就可能會有比較鼓勵作用\n\n10\n00:03:22,182 --> 00:03:45,067\n因為如果要從社會保險這一塊變成所有整體公務人員你要提高的保險匯率又要增加的一個問題因為公務人員三層保障跟勞工就不一樣公務人員是比較集中在職業年金這一塊那勞工他是比較著重於在勞保這一塊這個是結構上的不一樣所以這一塊如果可能要提高\n\n11\n00:03:45,767 --> 00:03:51,651\n市長請回應我想請部長勞工的部分也是一樣就是有高薪低報的問題等到他要申請育嬰留停的時候就真的有差如果用實際的投保薪資來申請的話其實確實是有他會有影響\n\n12\n00:04:15,367 --> 00:04:30,104\n您叫部長就是針對我們育嬰留停如果說就是用那個實質的實際的投保薪資來申請的話因為其實勞工他如果有一些他是這個\n\n13\n00:04:53,012 --> 00:05:19,881\n包括委員我們現在的規定他所謂的月投保薪資來合附這個那個育嬰留停今天的給付那個月投保薪資是要他月薪資總額喔要核實申報所以這個基本上法令規定就是這樣可是剛剛委員講到說是不是如果高薪低報還是有部長你應該也知道有很多是高薪低報嘛高薪低報第一個就是他會被處罰第二個可以要求他賠償損失喔\n\n14\n00:05:21,201 --> 00:05:39,635\n其實有很多他原本的薪資他就是用最低薪資然後再加其他的職業加級或專業加級我要講說跟委員報告說如果他是僱主高薪低報的話他是違法了第一個他會被我們處罰第二個勞工的損失他因為高薪低報害他領不到他應有的這個津貼\n\n15\n00:05:40,416 --> 00:05:59,443\n那這個差額是僱主要去賠償所以這個部分是沒有問題我的意思是說現在的規定就是我們月投保薪資講的就是你的月薪資的總額所以這個部分是符合剛剛委員所講的是好那其實我要跟你講的就是說其實實際上\n\n16\n00:06:01,565 --> 00:06:15,100\n實際上還是有這個狀況他可能就是最低薪資然後就又加了專業專業家籍或者是主管家籍或什麼樣的家籍加起來才有他現在的可也許我們現在的基本薪資兩萬兩萬八千多\n\n17\n00:06:18,103 --> 00:06:32,475\n二七四七零二七四七零好那兩萬七千多那再加一加加一加之後可能才有三萬多四萬多嘛那實際上就萬一他如果要開始清理這些御嬰留停那如果說用這個\n\n18\n00:06:34,196 --> 00:06:35,576\n這個部分我們會加強對僱主宣導就是跟他講說\n\n19\n00:06:58,063 --> 00:06:58,484\n黃秀芳議員\n\n20\n00:07:15,886 --> 00:07:42,367\n來保障勞工的權益剛剛部長有幾位委員也特別提到就是說我們育嬰留停是不是能夠更有彈性那我們現在可能就是以月來計算當然我們希望說能夠以天或者是小時來計算讓想要申請育嬰留停的人能夠更有彈性我想請部長就是說是不是可以朝著這個方向來進行\n\n21\n00:07:44,788 --> 00:08:05,476\n我們現在就是希望透過試辦的方式來瞭解職場上的運作還有就是說能夠怎麼樣來推行然後這雙方可能會能夠兼顧所以這個部分我們會來努力試辦就是要瞭解務實的去瞭解問題所在那你出一套適合臺灣的一個制度\n\n22\n00:08:08,078 --> 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