{"id":150902,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150902","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/76e938165848398185fec6f5b1cfdcf73b24fe939fcb22b9f8ba9b0039caa7a680f12972742bcc115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"張宏陸","委員發言時間":"10:28:58 - 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00:00:36,558\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案。\n\n3\n00:00:45,743 --> 00:01:06,334\n不同的利益團體、利害管理人員、負責相關的普遍．雖然生殖材行政院有政府委員收買的審查費已經通過．稍後會有新的意見提出來．提出來的意見當中有原因為說．早前法律委員會針對客家移營的發展．有提出過幾天的時間．是否會影響到．\n\n4\n00:01:12,557 --> 00:01:17,087\n二、其他出權議員的評判．二、其他出權議員的評判．二、其他出權議員的評判．\n\n5\n00:01:23,908 --> 00:01:49,699\n本土的規格語言提提面臨發展商的危機．加上經濟UNESCO的標準,稱為兵委語言。但是客家法的兵委又比其他語言．當然比演出名義的更好．比合法都差很多。從初期總書記所調查的．在送信發動中規格名義．合法為主要語言有3項左右。\n\n6\n00:01:51,159 --> 00:02:11,395\n二、客家委員會主委委員只有1.5至1.7非常大所以你不是說要用鐵絲的方式但是你整天都寫實在其他你也要作用判理兩個部分大概有1多人意見但是希望最近有法文本言論最後就請後輩已經重新整理跟人說推記譜的先有章求好有推記譜的你希望說\n\n7\n00:02:22,043 --> 00:02:23,824\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬計6案。\n\n8\n00:02:40,895 --> 00:03:02,589\n剛剛主委講的先求有再求好我覺得我很認同所以我才是會說這個其實這個客家委員發展法應該要早一點能夠送出來大家來審大家來不管專家剛剛主委講的專家學者有什麼其他意見其實在立法院我們可以辦公廳會我們也可以什麼大家來討論嘛對不對對啊你看像\n\n9\n00:03:07,853 --> 00:03:09,495\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n10\n00:03:23,973 --> 00:03:38,758\n主委現在啊齁人口跟語言的資料調查齁其實啊客家語言的部分應該是我們客委會來主政的吧對不對沒有錯啦齁但啦齁\n\n11\n00:03:40,339 --> 00:04:00,437\n主計總署的人口普查雖然有語言這個問題不過他們的題目就是說兒時最早學會的語言跟現在主要使用的語言跟現在次要使用的語言父親最常使用的語言母親最常使用的語言\n\n12\n00:04:01,580 --> 00:04:02,700\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n13\n00:04:19,206 --> 00:04:24,830\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n14\n00:04:46,227 --> 00:04:49,250\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n15\n00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:30,578\n我覺得主委你說的沒有錯他當然是普及的一個調查不過我覺得我們也可以跟主席總書稍微如果是你是客家莊的調查是不是可以稍微這個題目改一下也可以讓我們對客家委員會發展對我們未來這個客家政策有一些幫助我覺得是這樣因為\n\n16\n00:05:31,638 --> 00:05:34,299\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案\n\n17\n00:05:56,923 --> 00:06:02,826\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n18\n00:06:22,954 --> 00:06:23,294\n五年前的冷\n\n19\n00:06:41,636 --> 00:06:52,042\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n20\n00:07:10,313 --> 00:07:14,675\n暫時有用途,由邀請專業客家主任電廠增生VMV,用博物館的專業,希望建立合計的台灣客家博物館。\n\n21\n00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,360\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n22\n00:07:58,327 --> 00:08:01,908\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n23\n00:08:20,027 --> 00:08:21,868\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n24\n00:08:41,258 --> 00:09:05,688\n讓我們客家人也好或國外的全世界東南亞很多的客家人其實要讓他們可以來台灣來體驗體驗我們什麼很多啊結婚是什麼客家人的結婚的這個過程然後呢有拜拜或什麼的不是讓我們傳統的感覺一客家就是南管北管我覺得這個我們是不是客家人\n\n25\n00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:10,512\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案。\n\n26\n00:09:25,248 --> 00:09:27,491\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案\n\n27\n00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:42,414\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議\n\n28\n00:10:05,479 --> 00:10:06,480\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n29\n00:10:34,016 --> 00:10:55,513\n新的體驗新的我覺得要啦做入新的東西讓年輕人想要去啦我覺得這個比較重要啦我如果帶我的小孩子去以前就是這樣啦對不對我們以前就是這樣子做的不用教他讓他體驗我覺得這個比較重要好不好\n\n30\n00:10:56,334 --> 00:10:58,136\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案\n\n31\n00:11:14,691 --> 00:11:16,613\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n32\n00:11:33,351 --> 00:11:35,892\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n33\n00:11:51,721 --> 00:11:52,621\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議\n\n34\n00:12:21,434 --> 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非常大所以你不是說要用鐵絲的方式但是你整天都寫實在其他你也要作用判理兩個部分大概有1多人意見但是希望最近有法文本言論最後就請後輩已經重新整理跟人說推記譜的先有章求好有推記譜的你希望說\n142043\t143824\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬計6案。\n160895\t182589\t剛剛主委講的先求有再求好我覺得我很認同所以我才是會說這個其實這個客家委員發展法應該要早一點能夠送出來大家來審大家來不管專家剛剛主委講的專家學者有什麼其他意見其實在立法院我們可以辦公廳會我們也可以什麼大家來討論嘛對不對對啊你看像\n187853\t189495\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n203973\t218758\t主委現在啊齁人口跟語言的資料調查齁其實啊客家語言的部分應該是我們客委會來主政的吧對不對沒有錯啦齁但啦齁\n220339\t240437\t主計總署的人口普查雖然有語言這個問題不過他們的題目就是說兒時最早學會的語言跟現在主要使用的語言跟現在次要使用的語言父親最常使用的語言母親最常使用的語言\n241580\t242700\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n259206\t264830\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n286227\t289250\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n306348\t330578\t我覺得主委你說的沒有錯他當然是普及的一個調查不過我覺得我們也可以跟主席總書稍微如果是你是客家莊的調查是不是可以稍微這個題目改一下也可以讓我們對客家委員會發展對我們未來這個客家政策有一些幫助我覺得是這樣因為\n331638\t334299\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案\n356923\t362826\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n382954\t383294\t五年前的冷\n401636\t412042\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n430313\t434675\t暫時有用途,由邀請專業客家主任電廠增生VMV,用博物館的專業,希望建立合計的台灣客家博物館。\n449480\t451360\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n478327\t481908\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n500027\t501868\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n521258\t545688\t讓我們客家人也好或國外的全世界東南亞很多的客家人其實要讓他們可以來台灣來體驗體驗我們什麼很多啊結婚是什麼客家人的結婚的這個過程然後呢有拜拜或什麼的不是讓我們傳統的感覺一客家就是南管北管我覺得這個我們是不是客家人\n548270\t550512\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案。\n565248\t567491\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案\n581414\t582414\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議\n605479\t606480\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n634016\t655513\t新的體驗新的我覺得要啦做入新的東西讓年輕人想要去啦我覺得這個比較重要啦我如果帶我的小孩子去以前就是這樣啦對不對我們以前就是這樣子做的不用教他讓他體驗我覺得這個比較重要好不好\n656334\t658136\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案\n674691\t676613\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n693351\t695892\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n711721\t712621\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議\n741434\t745292\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案\n","txt":"請主委：客委會主委感謝總委員按關心罵架啦答案難是請你啊我想請問主委我們的客家語言發展法其實到現在願版還沒出來啦那有沒有在這個會期裡面我們會不會希望說願版可以出來\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案。\n不同的利益團體、利害管理人員、負責相關的普遍．雖然生殖材行政院有政府委員收買的審查費已經通過．稍後會有新的意見提出來．提出來的意見當中有原因為說．早前法律委員會針對客家移營的發展．有提出過幾天的時間．是否會影響到．\n二、其他出權議員的評判．二、其他出權議員的評判．二、其他出權議員的評判．\n本土的規格語言提提面臨發展商的危機．加上經濟UNESCO的標準,稱為兵委語言。但是客家法的兵委又比其他語言．當然比演出名義的更好．比合法都差很多。從初期總書記所調查的．在送信發動中規格名義．合法為主要語言有3項左右。\n二、客家委員會主委委員只有1.5至1.7 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--> 00:31.835\n請主委：客委會主委感謝總委員按關心罵架啦答案難是請你啊我想請問主委我們的客家語言發展法其實到現在願版還沒出來啦那有沒有在這個會期裡面我們會不會希望說願版可以出來\n\n00:33.154 --> 00:36.558\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案。\n\n00:45.743 --> 01:06.334\n不同的利益團體、利害管理人員、負責相關的普遍．雖然生殖材行政院有政府委員收買的審查費已經通過．稍後會有新的意見提出來．提出來的意見當中有原因為說．早前法律委員會針對客家移營的發展．有提出過幾天的時間．是否會影響到．\n\n01:12.557 --> 01:17.087\n二、其他出權議員的評判．二、其他出權議員的評判．二、其他出權議員的評判．\n\n01:23.908 --> 01:49.699\n本土的規格語言提提面臨發展商的危機．加上經濟UNESCO的標準,稱為兵委語言。但是客家法的兵委又比其他語言．當然比演出名義的更好．比合法都差很多。從初期總書記所調查的．在送信發動中規格名義．合法為主要語言有3項左右。\n\n01:51.159 --> 02:11.395\n二、客家委員會主委委員只有1.5至1.7非常大所以你不是說要用鐵絲的方式但是你整天都寫實在其他你也要作用判理兩個部分大概有1多人意見但是希望最近有法文本言論最後就請後輩已經重新整理跟人說推記譜的先有章求好有推記譜的你希望說\n\n02:22.043 --> 02:23.824\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬計6案。\n\n02:40.895 --> 03:02.589\n剛剛主委講的先求有再求好我覺得我很認同所以我才是會說這個其實這個客家委員發展法應該要早一點能夠送出來大家來審大家來不管專家剛剛主委講的專家學者有什麼其他意見其實在立法院我們可以辦公廳會我們也可以什麼大家來討論嘛對不對對啊你看像\n\n03:07.853 --> 03:09.495\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n03:23.973 --> 03:38.758\n主委現在啊齁人口跟語言的資料調查齁其實啊客家語言的部分應該是我們客委會來主政的吧對不對沒有錯啦齁但啦齁\n\n03:40.339 --> 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