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00:03:43,531\n採取客家文化演習、演習費、各種的演套、安容的素材．所謂叫做無窮挑、永遠飲食．比如說你個人的學校沒有在客家文化館洗洗澡．但是省費凍結、客家演習費的素材．另外一種情況．另外一種情況就是說．比如說其實客家文化館．是由英國的法律作用所．英國的核導演來看．確實目前由於部分的省值沒那麼好．\n\n11\n00:03:47,893 --> 00:03:49,555\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案\n\n12\n00:04:06,156 --> 00:04:06,877\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議．\n\n13\n00:04:29,753 --> 00:04:33,774\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n14\n00:04:57,761 --> 00:05:24,053\n主委謝謝你請坐我請陸委會邱泰山主委主委全世界都在觀察我應該說全台灣全世界在觀察美日高峰會全台灣在觀察這個馬席會是不是有可能會在同一天那但是\n\n15\n00:05:25,066 --> 00:05:35,994\n同樣的問題去年馬英九先生前總統拜訪中國的時候請問那個時候在美國是誰在拜訪美國我想基本上是這樣我這樣子表達好了主委不要為難你這其實都是在我們的觀察都是在做一個算是\n\n16\n00:05:52,133 --> 00:05:54,154\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算案計6案。\n\n17\n00:06:08,538 --> 00:06:35,238\n現在也在中國訪問而且充滿感情這個是做一個對比組給全世界的人看所以很有可能陸委會目前也都在掌握相關的情資看馬英九先生在中國方面在做什麼但有一點我幫主委這邊做一個比較詳細的一些說明如果是文化交流不用報陸委會或者是報陸委會說我要過去就可以了\n\n18\n00:06:36,004 --> 00:06:41,174\n如果是監副要溝通什麼的責任是不是要先跟陸委會這邊做一個說明?\n\n19\n00:06:41,924 --> 00:07:06,274\n基本上一定身份的人在退職後的一定年限都要申報但是有沒有溝通的這個功能我不曉得所謂溝通什麼因為基本上只要涉及到公權力的事項基本上都只能由政府委託的人來做所以私人身份是沒有辦法的\n\n20\n00:07:06,754 --> 00:07:21,182\n對,所以他是還是私人身份啦但是我也在要必須要肯定我們高雄市橋頭區的某一些遊客齁我在這邊非常肯定我們這些遊客看到馬英九當他自稱馬先生的時候他大喊馬總統好\n\n21\n00:07:22,623 --> 00:07:48,203\n我們在新聞上看到這一幕都對於我們這個高雄市橋頭區的這位先生表達肯定在可能馬英九先生自己沒有講出來的話那他大聲的喊出馬總統不要壞了馬英九的計畫謝謝主委你請回謝謝最後既然那個行政院主計總處公務預算處的李專委來了那我也請教你一個問題好了來李專委\n\n22\n00:07:57,675 --> 00:08:23,910\n委員好我經歷過高雄市的氣爆那高雄市氣爆發生的時候行政院說了不編列特別預算給高雄市那所以當下湧入了超過45億的善款來協助高雄市希望可以對這些災後的這些重建趕快來復甦高雄市當時的第一預備金\n\n23\n00:08:25,718 --> 00:08:52,556\n也沒有特別預算第一預備金災準金的準備是遠遠低於45億的沒有人知道會發生什麼變故所以我講快一點如果預算法83條、84條修正之後把84條的緊急凍資的這些內容拿掉的話請問萬一這些天災發生在7月以後行政院的第一預備金已經快沒有了請問這個怎麼樣凍資\n\n24\n00:08:56,434 --> 00:09:09,592\n是不是沒有辦法凍結這些預算目前我們是用災準金來協助已經沒有災準金了重大事故也會如果是地方的話也會有特別統籌款的部分來協助\n\n25\n00:09:10,543 --> 00:09:26,836\n所以如果84條這個拿掉先送到立法院來是要經過立法院審議才可以編列或凍結這些預算的話這些執行上還會有什麼困難目前我們的特別預算都會先送特別條例到立法院來\n\n26\n00:09:28,285 --> 00:09:30,286\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n27\n00:09:52,219 --> 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謝謝我們李博裕委員執行那下一位我們請高金素美、札偉\n","txt":"高雄市也有非常多的客家鄉親重點是高雄市也有很多的\n有非常大量的我們的客家鄉親而且\n美濃很厲害的一點產物是什麼?是校長跟老師在美濃碰到校長跟老師的機率還有博士非常的多對於整個教育對整個家庭教育來講是非常非常厲害的一個特色那所以我們就會檢討為什麼我們去到美濃\n那我們就會檢討說這些家庭的教育是怎麼樣養成的那怎麼會有這些過程那怎麼會產生那麼多的老師博士校長這麼多的這些人才那所以客家的這些文化我們真的是值得客委會來深深的來強力的來推廣不只語言不只場館還有他的文化這個是我們先在這邊表達對於預算還有對於這些\n剛剛所報告的所有的政策內容的這些推動我們都表達支持\n但是對於場館在我們在開始重視客家文化這20年來其實我們客委會也不斷的在補助這些我們地方的這些客家文化設施那我以高雄為例好了高雄市的這個客家文物展館客家文物館現在目前為止他已經成立了已經有\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n二、客家委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．\n採取客家文化演習、演習費、各種的演套、安容的素材．所謂叫做無窮挑、永遠飲食．比如說你個人的學校沒有在客家文化館洗洗澡．但是省費凍結、客家演習費的素材．另外一種情況．另外一種情況就是說．比如說其實客家文化館．是由英國的法律作用所．英國的核導演來看．確實目前由於部分的省值沒那麼好．\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議．\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n主委謝謝你請坐我請陸委會邱泰山主委主委全世界都在觀察我應該說全台灣全世界在觀察美日高峰會全台灣在觀察這個馬席會是不是有可能會在同一天那但是\n同樣的問題去年馬英九先生前總統拜訪中國的時候請問那個時候在美國是誰在拜訪美國我想基本上是這樣我這樣子表達好了主委不要為難你這其實都是在我們的觀察都是在做一個算是\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算案計6案。\n現在也在中國訪問而且充滿感情這個是做一個對比組給全世界的人看所以很有可能陸委會目前也都在掌握相關的情資看馬英九先生在中國方面在做什麼但有一點我幫主委這邊做一個比較詳細的一些說明如果是文化交流不用報陸委會或者是報陸委會說我要過去就可以了\n如果是監副要溝通什麼的責任是不是要先跟陸委會這邊做一個說明?\n基本上一定身份的人在退職後的一定年限都要申報但是有沒有溝通的這個功能我不曉得所謂溝通什麼因為基本上只要涉及到公權力的事項基本上都只能由政府委託的人來做所以私人身份是沒有辦法的\n對,所以他是還是私人身份啦但是我也在要必須要肯定我們高雄市橋頭區的某一些遊客齁我在這邊非常肯定我們這些遊客看到馬英九當他自稱馬先生的時候他大喊馬總統好\n我們在新聞上看到這一幕都對於我們這個高雄市橋頭區的這位先生表達肯定在可能馬英九先生自己沒有講出來的話那他大聲的喊出馬總統不要壞了馬英九的計畫謝謝主委你請回謝謝最後既然那個行政院主計總處公務預算處的李專委來了那我也請教你一個問題好了來李專委\n委員好我經歷過高雄市的氣爆那高雄市氣爆發生的時候行政院說了不編列特別預算給高雄市那所以當下湧入了超過45億的善款來協助高雄市希望可以對這些災後的這些重建趕快來復甦高雄市當時的第一預備金\n也沒有特別預算第一預備金災準金的準備是遠遠低於45億的沒有人知道會發生什麼變故所以我講快一點如果預算法83條、84條修正之後把84條的緊急凍資的這些內容拿掉的話請問萬一這些天災發生在7月以後行政院的第一預備金已經快沒有了請問這個怎麼樣凍資\n是不是沒有辦法凍結這些預算目前我們是用災準金來協助已經沒有災準金了重大事故也會如果是地方的話也會有特別統籌款的部分來協助\n所以如果84條這個拿掉先送到立法院來是要經過立法院審議才可以編列或凍結這些預算的話這些執行上還會有什麼困難目前我們的特別預算都會先送特別條例到立法院來\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n如果軍購或者是這些重大案件如果先送到立法院來會增加相關的一些難度所以對於83條、84條的修法還有這些重大災害、重大危難、緊急動之的相關的這些內容的話還是要做一些比較完整的論述謝謝好 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03:49.555\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案\n\n04:06.156 --> 04:06.877\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議．\n\n04:29.753 --> 04:33.774\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n04:57.761 --> 05:24.053\n主委謝謝你請坐我請陸委會邱泰山主委主委全世界都在觀察我應該說全台灣全世界在觀察美日高峰會全台灣在觀察這個馬席會是不是有可能會在同一天那但是\n\n05:25.066 --> 05:35.994\n同樣的問題去年馬英九先生前總統拜訪中國的時候請問那個時候在美國是誰在拜訪美國我想基本上是這樣我這樣子表達好了主委不要為難你這其實都是在我們的觀察都是在做一個算是\n\n05:52.133 --> 05:54.154\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算案計6案。\n\n06:08.538 --> 06:35.238\n現在也在中國訪問而且充滿感情這個是做一個對比組給全世界的人看所以很有可能陸委會目前也都在掌握相關的情資看馬英九先生在中國方面在做什麼但有一點我幫主委這邊做一個比較詳細的一些說明如果是文化交流不用報陸委會或者是報陸委會說我要過去就可以了\n\n06:36.004 --> 06:41.174\n如果是監副要溝通什麼的責任是不是要先跟陸委會這邊做一個說明?\n\n06:41.924 --> 07:06.274\n基本上一定身份的人在退職後的一定年限都要申報但是有沒有溝通的這個功能我不曉得所謂溝通什麼因為基本上只要涉及到公權力的事項基本上都只能由政府委託的人來做所以私人身份是沒有辦法的\n\n07:06.754 --> 07:21.182\n對,所以他是還是私人身份啦但是我也在要必須要肯定我們高雄市橋頭區的某一些遊客齁我在這邊非常肯定我們這些遊客看到馬英九當他自稱馬先生的時候他大喊馬總統好\n\n07:22.623 --> 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