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00:00:39,464\n目的是希望說去因為很多委員常委員的建議讓我們的育兒的這個生養環境能夠更友善他們希望說現在剛剛沒錄到先等一下剛剛沒錄到是不是那重新吧\n\n3\n00:00:39,804 --> 00:00:43,946\n我們要試辦以日為單位的育嬰留停方案,是不是?那你希望的是什麼呢?\n\n4\n00:00:56,711 --> 00:01:16,139\n我們希望藉由這樣的一個示範去瞭解說現在食物的職場上他們如果這樣推動的話有什麼困難那會不會增加男性育嬰這個留停的比例也希望提升對這個很重要嘛對這很重要讓父母親的共同點\n\n5\n00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:30,672\n那本期要請教你說剛剛說了你們從3月份開始跟相關單位那目前為止經濟部、交通部、衛福部、勞動部這些會配合你嗎?是不是?\n\n6\n00:01:31,983 --> 00:01:59,992\n經濟部有...我們有邀請他們希望他們國部本能夠...現在政府有幾個?經濟部、國民事業...經濟部的國民事業有4家來然後衛福部有一個醫院然後勞動部本身勞動部當然你本身一定要啊然後呢交通部有嗎?交通部還沒回復所以目前政府部門就是這三個嘛經濟部、衛福部、勞動部人家怎麼不理你呢?\n\n7\n00:02:01,279 --> 00:02:23,374\n你自己剩下兩個一個政府試辦你自己的人怎麼停你啊為什麼因為報告委員我們初期想說先也沒有辦法量很大啦就是先讓他們有自願性的願意來參與啦你現在講的這麼保守我可以給你一個註解你要試辦這個你沒有充分去做功課\n\n8\n00:02:24,375 --> 00:02:42,970\n就從剛剛委員在談的你雞同鴨講他講的是比例問題你跟他講的是數量問題我希望本席待會所問的你不要雞同鴨講的回答好不好因為時間很寶貴那所以本席要請教我們現在是規劃不少於5天的育嬰留子停薪嗎是不是\n\n9\n00:02:43,510 --> 00:03:00,401\n是,但是如果更短我們也認為更好啦。更短也可以,就5天以下的。對,對,因為這個就是一個原則啦。5天以下的。好,來,那現在民間企業你們有發案給他們,有沒有民間企業有願意要加入的?有有有,我們現在全部都\n\n10\n00:03:01,670 --> 00:03:02,591\n我今天是老闆吶。\n\n11\n00:03:19,451 --> 00:03:37,633\n你給我什麼幼嬰請教你讓我這麼做你給我什麼幼嬰請做說明請做說明你的幼嬰是什麼我們的幼嬰現在在討論當中你告訴我現在你的幼嬰是什麼你育嬰要試辦呢還在研議當中因為我們在爭取大家的意見還在研議當中\n\n12\n00:03:39,537 --> 00:03:56,913\n就是...你的誘因是什麼?你告訴我他比如勞健保的這些比如說他可以免除這個勞保的負擔的健保的負擔的這個都還在啦那是不是還有其他誘因我們其實4月2日才找相關的部會有做一些討論\n\n13\n00:03:57,734 --> 00:04:22,142\n你預計什麼時候可以告訴我們你要希望企業也跟你一起大家來加油那你要提供什麼樣的鼓勵方式你的誘因讓不管是國藝事業單位、行政部門以及我們企業界可以加入你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你現在在研議沒關係你研議你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾\n\n14\n00:04:24,505 --> 00:04:28,227\n呃...因為現在持續在跟...你告訴我一個時間點好不好時間點你告訴我們時間點應該大概...\n\n15\n00:04:37,387 --> 00:04:43,909\n5月底之前會告訴社會大眾你的鼓勵、獎勵、措施、你的誘因是什麼會告訴社會大眾,是不是?5月底\n\n16\n00:04:56,215 --> 00:05:19,183\n是不是?好,因為你做任何的一個不管事辦還是政策都是有一定的你的目標嘛,你的角層怎麼做嘛好,我們現在可以確認一件事情五月底以前勞動部將事辦以日為單位的育嬰停留方案會在五月底以前告訴社會大眾那麼我們的政府獎勵是什麼?優因是什麼?是不是如此?是\n\n17\n00:05:20,283 --> 00:05:36,488\n接下來我們拭目以待接下來本席要請教我們的目標既然男性的育嬰停留的比例也希望在這個以日為基準換句話說很多人怕說我如果留職停薪了我回來回不來了沒有辦法物質\n\n18\n00:05:37,208 --> 00:06:04,670\n或者是我的職務已經被調整的或者是有任何對他不利的方式讓他去復職的這個條件減低了所以在這樣的情況之下我們也想盡了一切辦法但是我們看到日本日本他除了鼓勵女性能夠這個女力他們努力的推動女力鼓勵女性進入職場之外對男性他這個育嬰留職他也非常的重視\n\n19\n00:06:05,390 --> 00:06:31,483\n所以他們把育嬰假可以分開來申請就跟你試辦這個日的意思一樣你如果一個月當然回來可能有很多回不來了所以沒有辦法去落實所以日本他也開始分開來申請而且他還放寬育嬰假的申請次數日本他由原先的兩次到四次由三歲到八歲\n\n20\n00:06:32,683 --> 00:06:46,993\n那我們呢?我們有沒有做調整?不是未來啊!這個日本已經在執行了部長!我希望我們在這邊討論時可以聽到你的方案!不是未來!你的未來是多久?你的未來未來是多久啊?\n\n21\n00:06:49,995 --> 00:07:04,512\n我們用示範的方式就已經這麼緊張了你未來所以換句話說日本目前我們要找出一個適合台灣的模式請教請教當然啦全世界各國來比較嘛那請教日本這個方式你有參考嗎\n\n22\n00:07:06,038 --> 00:07:29,022\n我們會來參考各國不只日本各國的彈性的方式我們都會來參考所以本期要告訴你為什麼會提出這個呢不是他們不願意請育嬰假而是不敢請很多人擔心我請了之後我能不能順利的復職或者是變相的被解聘\n\n23\n00:07:29,482 --> 00:07:32,845\n對於我們有利的而且他們成像好的可以拿出來做檢討嗎是不是如此是不是會朝這樣子的一個方向\n\n24\n00:07:49,582 --> 00:08:09,002\n最後一個議題我告訴你女性的勞動參與率目前只有51%51%那女性都很努力在做為什麼她的勞動率只有51%我特別給你點出一個年齡級距55歲到64歲的女性一旦當了阿嬤她就業率就下降你有沒有發現到這個問題有有齁為什麼\n\n25\n00:08:12,455 --> 00:08:27,023\n要照顧啊要照顧誰孫娜照顧孫娜欸這一點你答對了齁你答對了齁也就是55到64歲的台灣女性一旦當了阿嬤就越機率就越下降下降多少下降多少下降35到38%\n\n26\n00:08:29,602 --> 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那重新吧\n39804\t43946\t我們要試辦以日為單位的育嬰留停方案,是不是?那你希望的是什麼呢?\n56711\t76139\t我們希望藉由這樣的一個示範去瞭解說現在食物的職場上他們如果這樣推動的話有什麼困難那會不會增加男性育嬰這個留停的比例也希望提升對這個很重要嘛對這很重要讓父母親的共同點\n79560\t90672\t那本期要請教你說剛剛說了你們從3月份開始跟相關單位那目前為止經濟部、交通部、衛福部、勞動部這些會配合你嗎?是不是?\n91983\t119992\t經濟部有...我們有邀請他們希望他們國部本能夠...現在政府有幾個?經濟部、國民事業...經濟部的國民事業有4家來然後衛福部有一個醫院然後勞動部本身勞動部當然你本身一定要啊然後呢交通部有嗎?交通部還沒回復所以目前政府部門就是這三個嘛經濟部、衛福部、勞動部人家怎麼不理你呢?\n121279\t143374\t你自己剩下兩個一個政府試辦你自己的人怎麼停你啊為什麼因為報告委員我們初期想說先也沒有辦法量很大啦就是先讓他們有自願性的願意來參與啦你現在講的這麼保守我可以給你一個註解你要試辦這個你沒有充分去做功課\n144375\t162970\t就從剛剛委員在談的你雞同鴨講他講的是比例問題你跟他講的是數量問題我希望本席待會所問的你不要雞同鴨講的回答好不好因為時間很寶貴那所以本席要請教我們現在是規劃不少於5天的育嬰留子停薪嗎是不是\n163510\t180401\t是,但是如果更短我們也認為更好啦。更短也可以,就5天以下的。對,對,因為這個就是一個原則啦。5天以下的。好,來,那現在民間企業你們有發案給他們,有沒有民間企業有願意要加入的?有有有,我們現在全部都\n181670\t182591\t我今天是老闆吶。\n199451\t217633\t你給我什麼幼嬰請教你讓我這麼做你給我什麼幼嬰請做說明請做說明你的幼嬰是什麼我們的幼嬰現在在討論當中你告訴我現在你的幼嬰是什麼你育嬰要試辦呢還在研議當中因為我們在爭取大家的意見還在研議當中\n219537\t236913\t就是...你的誘因是什麼?你告訴我他比如勞健保的這些比如說他可以免除這個勞保的負擔的健保的負擔的這個都還在啦那是不是還有其他誘因我們其實4月2日才找相關的部會有做一些討論\n237734\t262142\t你預計什麼時候可以告訴我們你要希望企業也跟你一起大家來加油那你要提供什麼樣的鼓勵方式你的誘因讓不管是國藝事業單位、行政部門以及我們企業界可以加入你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你現在在研議沒關係你研議你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾\n264505\t268227\t呃...因為現在持續在跟...你告訴我一個時間點好不好時間點你告訴我們時間點應該大概...\n277387\t283909\t5月底之前會告訴社會大眾你的鼓勵、獎勵、措施、你的誘因是什麼會告訴社會大眾,是不是?5月底\n296215\t319183\t是不是?好,因為你做任何的一個不管事辦還是政策都是有一定的你的目標嘛,你的角層怎麼做嘛好,我們現在可以確認一件事情五月底以前勞動部將事辦以日為單位的育嬰停留方案會在五月底以前告訴社會大眾那麼我們的政府獎勵是什麼?優因是什麼?是不是如此?是\n320283\t336488\t接下來我們拭目以待接下來本席要請教我們的目標既然男性的育嬰停留的比例也希望在這個以日為基準換句話說很多人怕說我如果留職停薪了我回來回不來了沒有辦法物質\n337208\t364670\t或者是我的職務已經被調整的或者是有任何對他不利的方式讓他去復職的這個條件減低了所以在這樣的情況之下我們也想盡了一切辦法但是我們看到日本日本他除了鼓勵女性能夠這個女力他們努力的推動女力鼓勵女性進入職場之外對男性他這個育嬰留職他也非常的重視\n365390\t391483\t所以他們把育嬰假可以分開來申請就跟你試辦這個日的意思一樣你如果一個月當然回來可能有很多回不來了所以沒有辦法去落實所以日本他也開始分開來申請而且他還放寬育嬰假的申請次數日本他由原先的兩次到四次由三歲到八歲\n392683\t406993\t那我們呢?我們有沒有做調整?不是未來啊!這個日本已經在執行了部長!我希望我們在這邊討論時可以聽到你的方案!不是未來!你的未來是多久?你的未來未來是多久啊?\n409995\t424512\t我們用示範的方式就已經這麼緊張了你未來所以換句話說日本目前我們要找出一個適合台灣的模式請教請教當然啦全世界各國來比較嘛那請教日本這個方式你有參考嗎\n426038\t449022\t我們會來參考各國不只日本各國的彈性的方式我們都會來參考所以本期要告訴你為什麼會提出這個呢不是他們不願意請育嬰假而是不敢請很多人擔心我請了之後我能不能順利的復職或者是變相的被解聘\n449482\t452845\t對於我們有利的而且他們成像好的可以拿出來做檢討嗎是不是如此是不是會朝這樣子的一個方向\n469582\t489002\t最後一個議題我告訴你女性的勞動參與率目前只有51%51%那女性都很努力在做為什麼她的勞動率只有51%我特別給你點出一個年齡級距55歲到64歲的女性一旦當了阿嬤她就業率就下降你有沒有發現到這個問題有有齁為什麼\n492455\t507023\t要照顧啊 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那重新吧\n我們要試辦以日為單位的育嬰留停方案,是不是?那你希望的是什麼呢?\n我們希望藉由這樣的一個示範去瞭解說現在食物的職場上他們如果這樣推動的話有什麼困難那會不會增加男性育嬰這個留停的比例也希望提升對這個很重要嘛對這很重要讓父母親的共同點\n那本期要請教你說剛剛說了你們從3月份開始跟相關單位那目前為止經濟部、交通部、衛福部、勞動部這些會配合你嗎?是不是?\n經濟部有...我們有邀請他們希望他們國部本能夠...現在政府有幾個?經濟部、國民事業...經濟部的國民事業有4家來然後衛福部有一個醫院然後勞動部本身勞動部當然你本身一定要啊然後呢交通部有嗎?交通部還沒回復所以目前政府部門就是這三個嘛經濟部、衛福部、勞動部人家怎麼不理你呢?\n你自己剩下兩個一個政府試辦你自己的人怎麼停你啊為什麼因為報告委員我們初期想說先也沒有辦法量很大啦就是先讓他們有自願性的願意來參與啦你現在講的這麼保守我可以給你一個註解你要試辦這個你沒有充分去做功課\n就從剛剛委員在談的你雞同鴨講他講的是比例問題你跟他講的是數量問題我希望本席待會所問的你不要雞同鴨講的回答好不好因為時間很寶貴那所以本席要請教我們現在是規劃不少於5天的育嬰留子停薪嗎是不是\n是,但是如果更短我們也認為更好啦。更短也可以,就5天以下的。對,對,因為這個就是一個原則啦。5天以下的。好,來,那現在民間企業你們有發案給他們,有沒有民間企業有願意要加入的?有有有,我們現在全部都\n我今天是老闆吶。\n你給我什麼幼嬰請教你讓我這麼做你給我什麼幼嬰請做說明請做說明你的幼嬰是什麼我們的幼嬰現在在討論當中你告訴我現在你的幼嬰是什麼你育嬰要試辦呢還在研議當中因為我們在爭取大家的意見還在研議當中\n就是...你的誘因是什麼?你告訴我他比如勞健保的這些比如說他可以免除這個勞保的負擔的健保的負擔的這個都還在啦那是不是還有其他誘因我們其實4月2日才找相關的部會有做一些討論\n你預計什麼時候可以告訴我們你要希望企業也跟你一起大家來加油那你要提供什麼樣的鼓勵方式你的誘因讓不管是國藝事業單位、行政部門以及我們企業界可以加入你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你現在在研議沒關係你研議你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾\n呃...因為現在持續在跟...你告訴我一個時間點好不好時間點你告訴我們時間點應該大概...\n5月底之前會告訴社會大眾你的鼓勵、獎勵、措施、你的誘因是什麼會告訴社會大眾,是不是?5月底\n是不是?好,因為你做任何的一個不管事辦還是政策都是有一定的你的目標嘛,你的角層怎麼做嘛好,我們現在可以確認一件事情五月底以前勞動部將事辦以日為單位的育嬰停留方案會在五月底以前告訴社會大眾那麼我們的政府獎勵是什麼?優因是什麼?是不是如此?是\n接下來我們拭目以待接下來本席要請教我們的目標既然男性的育嬰停留的比例也希望在這個以日為基準換句話說很多人怕說我如果留職停薪了我回來回不來了沒有辦法物質\n或者是我的職務已經被調整的或者是有任何對他不利的方式讓他去復職的這個條件減低了所以在這樣的情況之下我們也想盡了一切辦法但是我們看到日本日本他除了鼓勵女性能夠這個女力他們努力的推動女力鼓勵女性進入職場之外對男性他這個育嬰留職他也非常的重視\n所以他們把育嬰假可以分開來申請就跟你試辦這個日的意思一樣你如果一個月當然回來可能有很多回不來了所以沒有辦法去落實所以日本他也開始分開來申請而且他還放寬育嬰假的申請次數日本他由原先的兩次到四次由三歲到八歲\n那我們呢?我們有沒有做調整?不是未來啊!這個日本已經在執行了部長!我希望我們在這邊討論時可以聽到你的方案!不是未來!你的未來是多久?你的未來未來是多久啊?\n我們用示範的方式就已經這麼緊張了你未來所以換句話說日本目前我們要找出一個適合台灣的模式請教請教當然啦全世界各國來比較嘛那請教日本這個方式你有參考嗎\n我們會來參考各國不只日本各國的彈性的方式我們都會來參考所以本期要告訴你為什麼會提出這個呢不是他們不願意請育嬰假而是不敢請很多人擔心我請了之後我能不能順利的復職或者是變相的被解聘\n對於我們有利的而且他們成像好的可以拿出來做檢討嗎是不是如此是不是會朝這樣子的一個方向\n最後一個議題我告訴你女性的勞動參與率目前只有51%51%那女性都很努力在做為什麼她的勞動率只有51%我特別給你點出一個年齡級距55歲到64歲的女性一旦當了阿嬤她就業率就下降你有沒有發現到這個問題有有齁為什麼\n要照顧啊 要照顧誰 孫娜 照顧孫娜 欸這一點你答對了齁 你答對了齁 也就是55到64歲的台灣女性一旦當了阿嬤就越機率就越下降 下降多少 下降多少 下降35到38%\n所以表示什麼阿嬤愛教過孫那連帶牽動的把55到64歲我們法定是65歲退休55到64歲這個正有經驗那他就\n他就離職所以我們的勞動力會受影響所以在這樣的情況之下剛剛本席提出我們現在是3歲有沒有考慮把它延長日本是延長到8歲那這個親子假並我們的育嬰假合併去討論\n這個我們都在考量當中嘛,報告委員,這相關的,其實顧老顧小,相關的還有要拿去配套,這個包括也可能將會拖曳啊,拖老啊,這些都一起來。我們有可能有機會從3歲延後,日本是到8歲,有的國家到6歲,我們有機會去延後嗎?是不是?\n楊瓊瓔\n親子津貼跟育嬰留子津貼的這個部分可以去合併去討論好不好我們希望有一個好的方向而且將3歲來延後好不好不管是德國的歐洲地區的6歲或者是日本的8歲我們朝這個方向去討論好不好延後延後是會確認嘛對不對因為你的家長關心啊我們會再討論但我跟委員說就是往這個方向往這個方向好謝謝\n謝謝楊瓊瓔\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.350\n中英委員\n\n00:22.369 --> 00:39.464\n目的是希望說去因為很多委員常委員的建議讓我們的育兒的這個生養環境能夠更友善他們希望說現在剛剛沒錄到先等一下剛剛沒錄到是不是那重新吧\n\n00:39.804 --> 00:43.946\n我們要試辦以日為單位的育嬰留停方案,是不是?那你希望的是什麼呢?\n\n00:56.711 --> 01:16.139\n我們希望藉由這樣的一個示範去瞭解說現在食物的職場上他們如果這樣推動的話有什麼困難那會不會增加男性育嬰這個留停的比例也希望提升對這個很重要嘛對這很重要讓父母親的共同點\n\n01:19.560 --> 01:30.672\n那本期要請教你說剛剛說了你們從3月份開始跟相關單位那目前為止經濟部、交通部、衛福部、勞動部這些會配合你嗎?是不是?\n\n01:31.983 --> 01:59.992\n經濟部有...我們有邀請他們希望他們國部本能夠...現在政府有幾個?經濟部、國民事業...經濟部的國民事業有4家來然後衛福部有一個醫院然後勞動部本身勞動部當然你本身一定要啊然後呢交通部有嗎?交通部還沒回復所以目前政府部門就是這三個嘛經濟部、衛福部、勞動部人家怎麼不理你呢?\n\n02:01.279 --> 02:23.374\n你自己剩下兩個一個政府試辦你自己的人怎麼停你啊為什麼因為報告委員我們初期想說先也沒有辦法量很大啦就是先讓他們有自願性的願意來參與啦你現在講的這麼保守我可以給你一個註解你要試辦這個你沒有充分去做功課\n\n02:24.375 --> 02:42.970\n就從剛剛委員在談的你雞同鴨講他講的是比例問題你跟他講的是數量問題我希望本席待會所問的你不要雞同鴨講的回答好不好因為時間很寶貴那所以本席要請教我們現在是規劃不少於5天的育嬰留子停薪嗎是不是\n\n02:43.510 --> 03:00.401\n是,但是如果更短我們也認為更好啦。更短也可以,就5天以下的。對,對,因為這個就是一個原則啦。5天以下的。好,來,那現在民間企業你們有發案給他們,有沒有民間企業有願意要加入的?有有有,我們現在全部都\n\n03:01.670 --> 03:02.591\n我今天是老闆吶。\n\n03:19.451 --> 03:37.633\n你給我什麼幼嬰請教你讓我這麼做你給我什麼幼嬰請做說明請做說明你的幼嬰是什麼我們的幼嬰現在在討論當中你告訴我現在你的幼嬰是什麼你育嬰要試辦呢還在研議當中因為我們在爭取大家的意見還在研議當中\n\n03:39.537 --> 03:56.913\n就是...你的誘因是什麼?你告訴我他比如勞健保的這些比如說他可以免除這個勞保的負擔的健保的負擔的這個都還在啦那是不是還有其他誘因我們其實4月2日才找相關的部會有做一些討論\n\n03:57.734 --> 04:22.142\n你預計什麼時候可以告訴我們你要希望企業也跟你一起大家來加油那你要提供什麼樣的鼓勵方式你的誘因讓不管是國藝事業單位、行政部門以及我們企業界可以加入你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你現在在研議沒關係你研議你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾\n\n04:24.505 --> 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