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00:00:37,700\n陳培好部長好辛苦了我們快速跟部長討論關於這個育嬰留停的部分剛剛好像也有委員提到關於這個0到6歲的部分那我想要再一次的表明其實這個0到6歲我覺得大家的這個想像跟訴求應該非常非常清楚了有時候是班上一有腸病毒然後就要休息而且全班一起休息或者是家裡有兩個小孩輪流生病\n\n3\n00:00:40,302 --> 00:01:01,081\n不管照顧的人是父親還是母親其實也需要輪流休息那甚至呢其實最近一起的台灣很重要的親子天下期刊他們也發現在疫情過後這兩三年所謂的小烏龜寶寶越來越多早療的需求越來越多那我們知道一旦遇到有早療的需求其實爸爸媽媽請假那個天數就非常的複雜跟\n\n4\n00:01:02,903 --> 00:01:08,628\n主要是因為也要預約這個復健治療的時間還要也要預約掛號的時間甚至大家也知道早聊那個數早聊目前是卡關這個我們後續再討論也就是說為什麼我們希望跟部長討論有沒有什麼樣的誘因跟方法或者是勞動部這邊怎麼跟企業去討論目前只能用0到3嘛那用到0到6的好意我覺得就是我剛剛講的這些訴求的可能性\n\n5\n00:01:26,414 --> 00:01:47,421\n可不可以請部長簡單回應一下我想就是放寬這個方向我是覺得是可以來做研議也確實在我們的了解那職場上的父母親真的是有這方面非常迫切的需求所以這部分我也請業務單位來做一些討論但是當然你放寬之後\n\n6\n00:01:48,681 --> 00:02:10,871\n有些津貼就是會增加了對沒錯沒錯那這個財源的部分我們如果光以救保的經費是不夠確實是不夠的所以這個部分就是可能院這邊要看看用公共預算我們可能就是要去做一些跨部位的協商我覺得這個政策方向如果是這樣定那財源上的支持怎麼樣這個都是要全面來更周延的來討論\n\n7\n00:02:12,512 --> 00:02:37,142\n我覺得今天一整個聽下來應該跨黨派的委員都會支持啦如果只是預算的部分可是我覺得是勞動部這邊如何願意就如同部長之前說過的其實台灣有非常多中小企業他們可能在面臨這個議題他們心也想要這樣做可是資源的部分或者是人力怎麼安排上班的部分確實我相信也需要非常多勞動部積極的協助因為其實今天經濟部、國防部也都在啦他們也都有反應\n\n8\n00:02:39,503 --> 00:02:58,455\n是企業界的一些他們憂慮的地方,的確人力的運用是他們最大的困境,尤其我們的中小企業大概佔了97%,這97%裡面5人以下還佔了80%,所以這個部分到底要怎麼來,包括說我們未來就業的媒合如何來協助,包括\n\n9\n00:02:59,015 --> 00:03:25,322\n甚至是不是有一些減稅的誘因等等這個都還要具體的討論有些東西不是勞動部可以決定但是我們可以把一些意見收集以後那可能點出一些方向請各部會來大家一起來及時廣益看怎麼解決問題然後甚至是提供更多的誘因給企業方因為我自己以前開書店也是5人以下我只有兩個正職員工那如果有一個有育嬰留職停薪的需求那我當然就會有人力撥補上的困境\n\n10\n00:03:27,202 --> 00:03:38,355\n所以我覺得有幼嬰很重要然後我們國家整個勞動部在設計這個相關跟企業對話的時候又把這件事情放進心裡我覺得也很重要就如同之前我在上次的質詢有跟部長討論到關於這個\n\n11\n00:03:41,547 --> 00:04:05,737\n關於彈性工時的部分我們說可以從國營事業先開始嘛那個時候部長也說會積極的討論所以我覺得就是把這件事情往後延伸這樣好不好好那就謝謝部長我們之後時間有些我們再談另外一個我覺得也是另外一個可能比較少提到的困境其實有非常多未滿20歲的年輕爸爸媽媽他們生了小孩之後呢目前我們來看一下從衛福部的角度來看他們有所謂的未滿20歲懷孕服務及後續追蹤輔導計畫\n\n12\n00:04:10,539 --> 00:04:29,097\n會有社工把這些爸爸媽媽年輕爸爸媽媽跟他們小孩所需要的照顧列為所謂社工個案管理那一旦列入所謂的個案管理才會有地方就業執訓單位提供就業資源這個部分我想勞動部應該是清楚的這個是衛福部的部分可是我們來看勞動部當這些年輕的爸爸媽媽他們\n\n13\n00:04:30,498 --> 00:04:55,295\n跑來上勞動部主辦的15到29歲職涯諮詢或是青年執訓專班的時候或者是勞動部還有針對15到19歲沒有升學沒有就業的弱勢青少年職涯準備計畫都有我們都看到了可是一旦這些人他們是所謂年輕爸爸媽媽小爸爸小媽媽他們其實沒有相關的育兒資源的補助例如我舉一個例子他們去參加執訓的課程就訓期間他們的寶寶誰要來照顧\n\n14\n00:04:58,877 --> 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