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00:02:24,537\n可是呢111年就是後端這個起來的時候是因為就是我們改變了部長應該知道嘛為什麼改變部長曉得就是當你把給的錢增加的時候到八成的時候男性情侶比例就突破了兩成那情侶人數增加4萬人成長了近五成\n\n8\n00:02:25,317 --> 00:02:47,940\n這表示男性不是不願意請育嬰假而且他的薪水可能平均是比女性高比媽媽高所以相衡之下如果你提高了他就有動力請那這是一個非常重要的數字那這邊我也跟您訴求就是我自己也有參與的我們賴副總統的政見之一這個部長有看到吧有\n\n9\n00:02:48,620 --> 00:03:16,869\n雙就業雙照顧的第一個政見就是為落實性別平等共同分攤育兒責任若雙親都將領有育嬰津貼之育嬰假請滿可以再多請一個月的津貼那這個政見呢也不是台灣賴副總統獨創的而是北歐就發現這樣子一個制度有助於雙親都來請也有助於就是爸爸也來請因為會多一個假那部長您本人支持這個方向嗎\n\n10\n00:03:17,789 --> 00:03:38,854\n我是支持的,因為我覺得這個是對照顧幼兒的這雙性是一種鼓勵跟獎勵。我是覺得多一個月還好。那部長既然支持的話,我想我們不用等賴副院長上任,其實您現在就可以再來規劃。那這是一個就是我今天的第一個想問的,\n\n11\n00:03:39,934 --> 00:04:02,212\n現在我也想問的就是其實我們都有看到育嬰留停的薪資替代率很重要當你長到八成的時候相對薪資比較高的平均薪資比較高的爸爸就會來領那現在呢可是呢我們這種就是投保薪資的天花板是45800他反而是變相懲罰月薪較高的人\n\n12\n00:04:02,572 --> 00:04:19,343\n因為月薪較高的人他最多只能夠領到36640等於是說收入他如果來申請的話那會大跳水那也影響到這群人申請育嬰留停的意願那不知道部長對這個有什麼看法\n\n13\n00:04:20,143 --> 00:04:47,031\n有沒有機會我們來改善這一群人因為我想不管薪資高低都應該要讓他們有一樣的機會來請育嬰假這個是要打開天花板因為這個會牽涉到勞保財務的問題這一題委員妳講的我了解但是我因為這個我們的是比較那個主要那個勞保所以這個如果打開的話勞保財務馬上會受很大的影響所以這個嚴重比較大我是覺得未來可能\n\n14\n00:04:48,071 --> 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