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--> 00:03:46,599\n我們的幼兒呢?我們的幼兒是幾歲?我們的幼兒規定的年齡是到幾歲?幼兒是3、4、5、6好沒關係我們看一下幼教法是到6歲2歲到6歲之前所以這是幼兒的定義但我們現在性別平衡法第16條裡面是定義就是說他在請育嬰留停是3歲以前那為什麼會定義一個3歲呢?部長知道嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:48,427 --> 00:03:51,953\n因為可能那時候是考慮到又拖的一些機制吧\n\n12\n00:03:53,863 --> 00:04:18,048\n當時沒錯,1991年的時候是想說我們的幼托機制未真完善所以是訂到三歲但是我想我們在幼托小朋友三歲之後難道家長就沒有照顧的需求了嗎?我們可以看到就是在這個長病毒每次到夏天這個時間長病毒都是個高峰期那冬天有流感我們現在就會在各縣市是有訂例要停課的四到七天\n\n13\n00:04:19,605 --> 00:04:46,986\n那這樣子的狀況之下到底家長要怎麼照顧小孩呢?6歲以上這是小時候的部分喔當然他現在有家庭照顧假啦對我們有家庭照顧假沒有錯但是我們家庭照顧假是的情的比例非常的低耶我們的男性只有2.1%女性只有5.5%因為他為什麼不好用為什麼情理的人這麼少重點就是因為他不執行嘛主要是他沒有給心啦對他沒有給心嘛\n\n14\n00:04:49,284 --> 00:05:11,264\n再來看這也是衛福部自己的一個調查衛福部調查是說我們有非常高的比例的女性都是因為照顧孩童離職的我們其實今天一直在講說女性就業的人口勞動力不要下減不要因為照顧家庭而離開職場可是我們現在種種的不利因素都讓女性必須因為照顧未滿12歲的兒童離開職場\n\n15\n00:05:14,967 --> 00:05:41,362\n所以我們這個家庭照顧假呢是不是有可能可以讓他再去做一些修正讓他可以知新也讓他可以去延長延長到12歲因為以現在的需求他就是以現在的一些法規的支持就是不夠欸這部分是不是可以去調整來研議放寬到12歲呢我們往這個方向來研議\n\n16\n00:05:43,823 --> 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請許部長\n一共63那其中中小型企業有幾家呢?\n中小企業?私人企業是53家,但是企業規模...我們這個企業規模都會比較大一點,對人力的運用上去\n我們來申請的比較多是比較大型企業但是我們是不是可以來鼓勵中小企業呢畢竟從這個數據上面也可以看到嘛中小企業在我們台灣的整體的就業人口數來說是相對來說比較多的有到7成5所以如果我們報名的都是大型企業那其實是沒有反映到我們真實的就業市場的一個狀況\n中小企業當然他主要就是人力的運用上會發生困難那這部分我們會未來在我們的那個事辦委員這裡面包括說如何來優先媒合包括我們的發展署的一些就會媒合臺灣就會通等等資源他會來協助優先幫他們媒合\n但是我想可能只有臺灣就業通可能也還不夠因為畢竟我想在上面媒合工作人員還是相對比較少所以我們可不可以再有更積極的一些做法那這個東西沒關係我們可以再繼續的討論但是我希望是說這三天大概隔壁三天之後給我一些現在的企業參與的名單參與名單因為我也不好意思這恐怕又牽涉到這個個人這個私人企業的事業單位的意願問題是不是\n這個部分要跟他說明會之後才知道辦理的範圍\n因為我們要跟這些私人企業開座談會因為要做一些說明是不是容許我們座談會\n還在跟委員來回報。大概什麼時候?半個月?兩個禮拜?一個月?半個月後吧。月五前好了。現在四月幾好了?現在四月八號。好。半個月幾前好了。好。可以。那再下一個就是說我想問一下我們法律規定的兒童是到幾歲呢?十八。法律的規定是兒少學法是十二啦。人和國是十八沒有錯。那再來就是說\n我們的幼兒呢?我們的幼兒是幾歲?我們的幼兒規定的年齡是到幾歲?幼兒是3、4、5、6好沒關係我們看一下幼教法是到6歲2歲到6歲之前所以這是幼兒的定義但我們現在性別平衡法第16條裡面是定義就是說他在請育嬰留停是3歲以前那為什麼會定義一個3歲呢?部長知道嗎?\n因為可能那時候是考慮到又拖的一些機制吧\n當時沒錯,1991年的時候是想說我們的幼托機制未真完善所以是訂到三歲但是我想我們在幼托小朋友三歲之後難道家長就沒有照顧的需求了嗎?我們可以看到就是在這個長病毒每次到夏天這個時間長病毒都是個高峰期那冬天有流感我們現在就會在各縣市是有訂例要停課的四到七天\n那這樣子的狀況之下到底家長要怎麼照顧小孩呢?6歲以上這是小時候的部分喔當然他現在有家庭照顧假啦對我們有家庭照顧假沒有錯但是我們家庭照顧假是的情的比例非常的低耶我們的男性只有2.1%女性只有5.5%因為他為什麼不好用為什麼情理的人這麼少重點就是因為他不執行嘛主要是他沒有給心啦對他沒有給心嘛\n再來看這也是衛福部自己的一個調查衛福部調查是說我們有非常高的比例的女性都是因為照顧孩童離職的我們其實今天一直在講說女性就業的人口勞動力不要下減不要因為照顧家庭而離開職場可是我們現在種種的不利因素都讓女性必須因為照顧未滿12歲的兒童離開職場\n所以我們這個家庭照顧假呢是不是有可能可以讓他再去做一些修正讓他可以知新也讓他可以去延長延長到12歲因為以現在的需求他就是以現在的一些法規的支持就是不夠欸這部分是不是可以去調整來研議放寬到12歲呢我們往這個方向來研議\n這個部分還有就是除了12歲之外還有就是說家庭照顧假之心的部分因為目前就是新聞已經有講了嘛公務人員有可是勞工一直都沒有那這個明明我們最大的就業人口就在勞工市場那這一塊是不是這個部分當然就牽涉到財源對財源怎麼來解決這個部分我們再來可能要跨部會討論對那這個我們大概什麼時候可以會有更進一步的一些研議的結果呢\n討論的結果\n我是覺得委員因為這個問題會當然不只裁員包括人力的調配等等我們是認為說可能我們再跟相關的工商團體勞工團體做一些討論然後再來看看推動的時程讓我想我們沒有設限就是如果討論大家都有支持我們當然可以很快來處理但是\n當然有這個共識之後那再跟跨部會這邊因為裁員的部分要怎麼解決必須院的層級來幫忙好那這樣子好不好我們還是因為我們還是持續來追蹤那大概3個月之後我們再來追蹤一下這個進度好不好好不好謝謝喔好謝謝張雅琳委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:22.008 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