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00:02:37,436\n我們的前總統馬前總統竟然選在這個時間又去跟這個極權國家站在一起我記得2015年的時候馬習一會馬習會的時候其實回來的時候這個11月2015年11月13號其實國內就有個民調出來52.7%的國人認為馬英九未能捍衛主權不能捍衛主權\n\n8\n00:02:50,439 --> 00:03:15,279\n五十六點二的人認為馬英九總統當時的馬英九總統不能代表受訪者的意見然後大部分的人超過四成的人認為馬總統就是傾向於統一這樣的狀況所以我幫他下一個結論2019的馬習會國人不肯定但是今天我看今天大家很風平浪靜新聞大概也都只有一點點但我們還是要在質詢台這樣表示2015的馬習會\n\n9\n00:03:17,981 --> 00:03:43,855\n大家不肯定2024的馬習會我們也不在乎但我希望如果馬前總統在這個馬習二會的這個會議上面如果說出了什麼有損國格妨礙台灣主權的話立委會一定要在第一時間出來發表聲明我們一定會的啦所以我們會仔細關注後續的發展好謝謝主委接下來我們請客委會楊主委\n\n10\n00:03:53,277 --> 00:03:54,618\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案\n\n11\n00:04:10,852 --> 00:04:13,354\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n12\n00:04:31,849 --> 00:05:01,533\n把地區鄉鎮識別分成是不是客家重點發展區請問是和不是那這客委會在給予資源的時候有什麼差別嗎?老委員報告哈卡基本法當中規定哈卡營區超過三分之一以上的鄉鎮市區的重點發展區要加強哈卡營園發展要三大但是並不說其他地方都不是發展其他地方不是說其他地方就沒有\n\n13\n00:05:02,093 --> 00:05:19,751\n其他提防其他提出相關案件：例如最近在宜蘭看過其他提防其他提出關於全部已經變成蘇維埃俄羅斯學、西班牙學全部不要說學家法：你含有部署本已做傳統空間籠統的計劃：\n\n14\n00:05:22,318 --> 00:05:47,474\n主委我完全了解但我必須跟你說因為現在客家人口隨著大部分其他族群的人口一樣的狀況也是有遷移啦遷移往都市化集中的狀況所以其實我們新北喔你看我們新北的客家人口數其實有67萬僅次於桃園市的90萬是直轄市裡面第二多可是因為我們不是群聚的狀況所以呢新北市沒有任何一個鄉鎮區是重點發展區域\n\n15\n00:05:49,955 --> 00:06:17,912\n那對大家來講這個公共建設上面還有辦理活動上面有時候還是會有一點落差那在這裡因為時間的關係剛剛已經分配一些給陸委會了所以我想直接跟主委建議您今天的這個整本這個客委會的業務報告裡面其實我都贊成而且覺得客委會以這樣少的預算和人力能夠做出這麼多的業務深表敬佩那我想提一個建議就是\n\n16\n00:06:19,249 --> 00:06:42,075\n您在這裡面做了很多鄉鎮區域的客家推動、客家文化推動的努力也對我們這個精緻藝術的部分做了很多的補助但其實不要忘了啦其實最多在日常跟客家事務相關的在地方尤其像我們不是群聚區其實就是人的群體也就是客家社團\n\n17\n00:06:42,975 --> 00:07:07,035\n那麼有沒有可能是你在對客家社團的補助上面我不是指要求要更多而是政策的方向可以下去引導比如說您推動了非常多的精緻藝術的部分所以我們現在甚至在金曲獎、客家歌手也有很多得獎然後在博物館、在文學等等也有非常多有了傑出的表現\n\n18\n00:07:07,876 --> 00:07:11,960\n那這些項目有沒有機會是透過地方的社團讓他們把兩者結合誰能夠做到你就給他更多的補助嘛尤其是包括親子的包括家庭的讓客家人的心血可以進到這個地方最活躍的社團當中所以諸位我再重申一次我認為在散居的都市區客家社團是重要的\n\n19\n00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:54,070\n那他應該得到補助但他的補助我建議按照您的方向可以開取更多不同的項目讓他們接受客委會的政策引導讓客家文化可以再活絡起來不然有一點可惜的是說如果我們每次去客家社團的活動都是只有擂茶、麻糬、唱善歌\n\n20\n00:07:55,931 --> 00:07:56,632\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n21\n00:08:18,429 --> 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謝謝主委接下來我們請客委會楊主委\n233277\t234618\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案\n250852\t253354\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n271849\t301533\t把地區鄉鎮識別分成是不是客家重點發展區請問是和不是那這客委會在給予資源的時候有什麼差別嗎?老委員報告哈卡基本法當中規定哈卡營區超過三分之一以上的鄉鎮市區的重點發展區要加強哈卡營園發展要三大但是並不說其他地方都不是發展其他地方不是說其他地方就沒有\n302093\t319751\t其他提防其他提出相關案件：例如最近在宜蘭看過其他提防其他提出關於全部已經變成蘇維埃俄羅斯學、西班牙學全部不要說學家法：你含有部署本已做傳統空間籠統的計劃：\n322318\t347474\t主委我完全了解但我必須跟你說因為現在客家人口隨著大部分其他族群的人口一樣的狀況也是有遷移啦遷移往都市化集中的狀況所以其實我們新北喔你看我們新北的客家人口數其實有67萬僅次於桃園市的90萬是直轄市裡面第二多可是因為我們不是群聚的狀況所以呢新北市沒有任何一個鄉鎮區是重點發展區域\n349955\t377912\t那對大家來講這個公共建設上面還有辦理活動上面有時候還是會有一點落差那在這裡因為時間的關係剛剛已經分配一些給陸委會了所以我想直接跟主委建議您今天的這個整本這個客委會的業務報告裡面其實我都贊成而且覺得客委會以這樣少的預算和人力能夠做出這麼多的業務深表敬佩那我想提一個建議就是\n379249\t402075\t您在這裡面做了很多鄉鎮區域的客家推動、客家文化推動的努力也對我們這個精緻藝術的部分做了很多的補助但其實不要忘了啦其實最多在日常跟客家事務相關的在地方尤其像我們不是群聚區其實就是人的群體也就是客家社團\n402975\t427035\t那麼有沒有可能是你在對客家社團的補助上面我不是指要求要更多而是政策的方向可以下去引導比如說您推動了非常多的精緻藝術的部分所以我們現在甚至在金曲獎、客家歌手也有很多得獎然後在博物館、在文學等等也有非常多有了傑出的表現\n427876\t431960\t那這些項目有沒有機會是透過地方的社團讓他們把兩者結合誰能夠做到你就給他更多的補助嘛尤其是包括親子的包括家庭的讓客家人的心血可以進到這個地方最活躍的社團當中所以諸位我再重申一次我認為在散居的都市區客家社團是重要的\n453900\t474070\t那他應該得到補助但他的補助我建議按照您的方向可以開取更多不同的項目讓他們接受客委會的政策引導讓客家文化可以再活絡起來不然有一點可惜的是說如果我們每次去客家社團的活動都是只有擂茶、麻糬、唱善歌\n475931\t476632\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n498429\t500232\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議\n513372\t540351\t二、國內創造新現代創造型的業務：一﹐全部為了創始：負責方向：為了改革：因為我知道現在正是預算在編﹐概算在編列的時候啦所以我才特別在這裡在跟客委會建議我希望今年不只是補助在地的客家社團而且可以多開這種計畫不同類型的新興計畫讓地方的在地客家社團也能夠感受到有新的方向政府的支持再兩臺方向繼續努力感謝議員的關心\n","txt":"二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n二、中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n第二我想我們看到的是馬英九前總統他是用私人的身份去前往中國大陸大陸對待他也是用馬英九先生來征服他所以對於國人他個人要到大陸去做不管觀光旅遊或者是文教交流基本上我們當然就是期待他能夠順利平安返國\n主委我能夠理解你的意思因為馬英九前總統也是說他是用私人的身份但是如果他今天完全是私人他要去觀光旅遊教育文化我們當然都沒有意見但今天他如果不是中華民國的前總統他有可能跟習近平見面嗎這根本就不可能的事情啊阿不然為什麼路上任何一個台灣去中國旅遊的人沒有辦法跟習近平見面\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n我們的前總統馬前總統竟然選在這個時間又去跟這個極權國家站在一起我記得2015年的時候馬習一會馬習會的時候其實回來的時候這個11月2015年11月13號其實國內就有個民調出來52.7%的國人認為馬英九未能捍衛主權不能捍衛主權\n五十六點二的人認為馬英九總統當時的馬英九總統不能代表受訪者的意見然後大部分的人超過四成的人認為馬總統就是傾向於統一這樣的狀況所以我幫他下一個結論2019的馬習會國人不肯定但是今天我看今天大家很風平浪靜新聞大概也都只有一點點但我們還是要在質詢台這樣表示2015的馬習會\n大家不肯定2024的馬習會我們也不在乎但我希望如果馬前總統在這個馬習二會的這個會議上面如果說出了什麼有損國格妨礙台灣主權的話立委會一定要在第一時間出來發表聲明我們一定會的啦所以我們會仔細關注後續的發展好 謝謝主委接下來我們請客委會楊主委\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n把地區鄉鎮識別分成是不是客家重點發展區請問是和不是那這客委會在給予資源的時候有什麼差別嗎?老委員報告哈卡基本法當中規定哈卡營區超過三分之一以上的鄉鎮市區的重點發展區要加強哈卡營園發展要三大但是並不說其他地方都不是發展其他地方不是說其他地方就沒有\n其他提防其他提出相關案件：例如最近在宜蘭看過其他提防其他提出關於全部已經變成蘇維埃俄羅斯學、西班牙學全部不要說學家法：你含有部署本已做傳統空間籠統的計劃：\n主委我完全了解但我必須跟你說因為現在客家人口隨著大部分其他族群的人口一樣的狀況也是有遷移啦遷移往都市化集中的狀況所以其實我們新北喔你看我們新北的客家人口數其實有67萬僅次於桃園市的90萬是直轄市裡面第二多可是因為我們不是群聚的狀況所以呢新北市沒有任何一個鄉鎮區是重點發展區域\n那對大家來講這個公共建設上面還有辦理活動上面有時候還是會有一點落差那在這裡因為時間的關係剛剛已經分配一些給陸委會了所以我想直接跟主委建議您今天的這個整本這個客委會的業務報告裡面其實我都贊成而且覺得客委會以這樣少的預算和人力能夠做出這麼多的業務深表敬佩那我想提一個建議就是\n您在這裡面做了很多鄉鎮區域的客家推動、客家文化推動的努力也對我們這個精緻藝術的部分做了很多的補助但其實不要忘了啦其實最多在日常跟客家事務相關的在地方尤其像我們不是群聚區其實就是人的群體也就是客家社團\n那麼有沒有可能是你在對客家社團的補助上面我不是指要求要更多而是政策的方向可以下去引導比如說您推動了非常多的精緻藝術的部分所以我們現在甚至在金曲獎、客家歌手也有很多得獎然後在博物館、在文學等等也有非常多有了傑出的表現\n那這些項目有沒有機會是透過地方的社團讓他們把兩者結合誰能夠做到你就給他更多的補助嘛尤其是包括親子的包括家庭的讓客家人的心血可以進到這個地方最活躍的社團當中所以諸位我再重申一次我認為在散居的都市區客家社團是重要的\n那他應該得到補助但他的補助我建議按照您的方向可以開取更多不同的項目讓他們接受客委會的政策引導讓客家文化可以再活絡起來不然有一點可惜的是說如果我們每次去客家社團的活動都是只有擂茶、麻糬、唱善歌\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算決議．檢送決議．檢送決議\n二、國內創造新現代創造型的業務：一﹐全部為了創始：負責方向：為了改革：因為我知道現在正是預算在編﹐概算在編列的時候啦所以我才特別在這裡在跟客委會建議我希望今年不只是補助在地的客家社團而且可以多開這種計畫不同類型的新興計畫讓地方的在地客家社團也能夠感受到有新的方向政府的支持再兩臺方向繼續努力感謝議員的關心\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.389 --> 00:02.750\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n00:25.037 --> 00:25.838\n二、中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n00:56.238 --> 01:19.431\n第二我想我們看到的是馬英九前總統他是用私人的身份去前往中國大陸大陸對待他也是用馬英九先生來征服他所以對於國人他個人要到大陸去做不管觀光旅遊或者是文教交流基本上我們當然就是期待他能夠順利平安返國\n\n01:21.049 --> 01:43.315\n主委我能夠理解你的意思因為馬英九前總統也是說他是用私人的身份但是如果他今天完全是私人他要去觀光旅遊教育文化我們當然都沒有意見但今天他如果不是中華民國的前總統他有可能跟習近平見面嗎這根本就不可能的事情啊阿不然為什麼路上任何一個台灣去中國旅遊的人沒有辦法跟習近平見面\n\n01:44.315 --> 01:46.677\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。二、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結案計6案。\n\n02:12.853 --> 02:14.315\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案。\n\n02:28.354 --> 02:37.436\n我們的前總統馬前總統竟然選在這個時間又去跟這個極權國家站在一起我記得2015年的時候馬習一會馬習會的時候其實回來的時候這個11月2015年11月13號其實國內就有個民調出來52.7%的國人認為馬英九未能捍衛主權不能捍衛主權\n\n02:50.439 --> 03:15.279\n五十六點二的人認為馬英九總統當時的馬英九總統不能代表受訪者的意見然後大部分的人超過四成的人認為馬總統就是傾向於統一這樣的狀況所以我幫他下一個結論2019的馬習會國人不肯定但是今天我看今天大家很風平浪靜新聞大概也都只有一點點但我們還是要在質詢台這樣表示2015的馬習會\n\n03:17.981 --> 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