{"id":150957,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150957","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/871d5246fb87948e02149647ec6df2dc533009c4a7c43105f8ba9b0039caa7a65eb2df1cdcf391405ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林月琴","委員發言時間":"09:36:38 - 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00:01:13,962\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n4\n00:01:25,706 --> 00:01:50,358\n草案案件提高藥品需求的可預測性來加強供應所以想請問一下就是說今天結合群力以夥伴關係來全體利益來作為監督管控的時候這是一個相當嚴謹的管制方法那同時各個因為各階段性的任務不同的話關鍵藥物的聯盟在政策規劃階段也曾半斤半眼一個規劃者的\n\n5\n00:01:51,792 --> 00:02:18,369\n草案案件事項目的角色,所以臺灣的必要藥品的盤點機制裡邊有沒有存在這樣的角色?有。我們目前必要藥品的部分的品項大概是481項。那每兩年我們會做一個重新再做的禮避。好,謝謝部長。那臺灣的藥師工會等專業的團體是不是可以承擔這樣的任務?就你的看法。\n\n6\n00:02:19,552 --> 00:02:43,927\n我覺得這一個還是由行政機關來主導那我們會參考這一個相關的專業團體的意見因為如果通通委託給專業團體的話那他可能想的就不太一樣上藥品關係到國家跟社會的安全面對中國的威脅台灣不能避免假設發生戰爭的可能性的時候\n\n7\n00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,724\n藥品和原料是否受到航運的影響而導致斷絕供應,所以對這些被列為必要藥品和\n\n8\n00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:15,929\n戰略藥品的一個項目更加依賴所以想請問根據衛福部的瞭解臺灣有多少比例的那個製藥原料是來自海外的其中有多少比例來自中國我請署長回答\n\n9\n00:03:20,838 --> 00:03:48,034\n委員好,我們其實大部分的原料藥都是輸入的。台灣自己有的原料藥的品項應該只有幾百種。對,所以我們很多還是,現在我們一直在鼓勵國內的原料藥廠,他們也能夠自己能夠研發,不過這個都需要時間。對,你看八成來自國外,所以想問這八成裡面這原物料有這麼高比例掌握在中國,占了50%,\n\n10\n00:03:49,073 --> 00:04:04,389\n醫療法草案案件事宜及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11\n\n11\n00:04:11,076 --> 00:04:30,227\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n12\n00:04:38,882 --> 00:04:53,337\n草案案政府的工作執行經驗如果要落實這一項建議的話勢必是要有現有的機制去做整合所以想問必要藥品跟戰備藥品盤點是不是落實這個資料治理的監督機制的政策項目之一當然\n\n13\n00:04:54,724 --> 00:05:15,709\n那如果是的話那我們就要來看是因為這些包括必要藥品跟戰略藥品的話按照法都要定期盤點來確保我們的藥品跟醫材都是有足夠的庫存來維繫我們藥品供應的安全所以想請問的是自104年之後通過的藥師法第27條之2的修正案當中\n\n14\n00:05:16,829 --> 00:05:26,452\n已經開始必要藥品的盤點要兩年盤點一次可最近公告必要藥品清單卻是在112年所以我們在前面107年109年盤點然後怎麼到110年反而是跨三年\n\n15\n00:05:34,545 --> 00:06:03,378\n想問是為什麼定期盤點必要藥品的任務會變成如此的隨意鬆散因為本來222怎麼到這時候變成3那一年應該要盤點的那一年應該是碰到疫情碰到疫情的時候因為有一些藥的供應還是有一些問題那整個國際的這個進出口也受到部長那時候不是更要盤點嗎因為我們那時候事實上疫情我們是最脆弱的\n\n16\n00:06:03,837 --> 00:06:07,880\n醫療法草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n\n17\n00:06:31,789 --> 00:06:32,630\n藥品供應鏈降低危險\n\n18\n00:06:58,823 --> 00:07:23,493\n目前的原料藥來自國外比較多那大量仰賴國外的原廠藥的話那印度生產的學民藥陸續又在臺販售跟國內的製藥者去做競爭臺灣生產的學民藥甚至要透過跟印度合作取得銷售國外的通路所以印度自1970年開始大力發展我們的學民藥產業以至於今日幾乎超越臺灣\n\n19\n00:07:24,406 --> 00:07:24,787\n藥品供應鏈還有韌性嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:31,444 --> 00:07:56,170\n這的確是一個比較大的問題就是說國內的學名藥的市場要怎麼樣開拓因為國內的學名藥的這個廠商通常都把市場鎖定是在國內的健保市場作為它主要的市場那這樣子來講對這一個產業發展是不利的是不是我覺得現在\n\n21\n00:07:58,933 --> 00:08:05,022\n藥品供應鏈,台灣的策略會是什麼?所以如果近來各國都爭相我們的強化\n\n22\n00:08:06,581 --> 00:08:35,494\n藥品供應鏈,那是不是日本是啟動本土的製藥來採分散供應的策略,韓國是強化藥品定期盤點,它是每6個月,那到底我們要不要去比照,我認為是不是臺灣是不是可以一年盤查一次,那另外一個就要問的是,所以本期強烈要求衛福部要立即規劃自民國114年當年起的那個必要藥品跟戰略藥品跟原\n\n23\n00:08:37,464 --> 00:08:41,161\n藥每一年都做一次的盤查。」我不知道部長這邊同意嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:43,837 --> 00:09:07,655\n這可能要看因為其實這些藥品的品項也蠻多而且分散在各個醫療院所以可不可以評估看看可不可以做到因為這個還是自為關鍵因為如果真來了我們需要有這些來救治所以一樣原料藥的那個盤查沒有法律規定的話所以是不是在年底之前提出法律的修正案\n\n25\n00:09:07,875 --> 00:09:30,137\n草案、送本院審議。」這個不知道部長同意嗎?原料藥的部分的話這個法律修正是沒有太大的問題但是實際執行要怎麼樣執行的話可能還要再思考一下因為原料藥跟其他的藥品的國外或國內製造的藥品\n\n26\n00:09:32,319 --> 00:09:58,162\n信紙上面還是不一樣尤其是目前的剛剛提到的百分之五十以上的市場是寡占的所以這個要怎麼樣來運作可能要思考一下請再評估最後問一個就是說近期黃子佼違法持有我們的兒少性剝削影片當然很多人都表態是說很多委員也表態說要\n\n27\n00:09:58,763 --> 00:10:11,390\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n28\n00:10:28,179 --> 00:10:50,744\n不能判斷王岳是否違法,能要請我們的主管機關衛福部來行動。昨天衛福部也很快地就做回應了,我們就看新聞稿說衛福部已經有建置性影像處理中性為單一窗口,要等民眾來申訴移除性影像,就會請地方政府來做。\n\n29\n00:10:51,551 --> 00:11:06,757\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n30\n00:11:21,465 --> 00:11:22,546\n邱議瑩等21人擬具〈再生醫療法草案〉案〉\n\n31\n00:11:44,169 --> 00:11:59,099\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n32\n00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:14,502\n謝謝林月請委員發言。接下來請陳金輝委員發言。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5545\t32142\t謝謝主席。那有請我們的部長跟食藥署的署長。請薛部長跟吳署長。部長早吼。委員好。那因為你的再生醫療都到現在還沒有院版的沒有送進來吼。今天就不針對這個吼來談吼。因為像剛剛那個趙志偉議員在問的很多條你搞不好已經是拿掉的吼。因為我們一直沒有看到行政院版本吼。\n32902\t60718\t那所以今天想來跟你討論的一個就是我們的國際局勢不穩定全世界都在關心我們國內藥品的存量是否是充足的那包括臺灣安全的歐盟也在2023年公布了我們的關鍵用品的那個清單那所以歐盟這項措施的話顯示我們國際市場上的藥品的原物料跟成品來源的話\n61458\t73962\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n85706\t110358\t草案案件提高藥品需求的可預測性來加強供應所以想請問一下就是說今天結合群力以夥伴關係來全體利益來作為監督管控的時候這是一個相當嚴謹的管制方法那同時各個因為各階段性的任務不同的話關鍵藥物的聯盟在政策規劃階段也曾半斤半眼一個規劃者的\n111792\t138369\t草案案件事項目的角色,所以臺灣的必要藥品的盤點機制裡邊有沒有存在這樣的角色?有。我們目前必要藥品的部分的品項大概是481項。那每兩年我們會做一個重新再做的禮避。好,謝謝部長。那臺灣的藥師工會等專業的團體是不是可以承擔這樣的任務?就你的看法。\n139552\t163927\t我覺得這一個還是由行政機關來主導那我們會參考這一個相關的專業團體的意見因為如果通通委託給專業團體的話那他可能想的就不太一樣上藥品關係到國家跟社會的安全面對中國的威脅台灣不能避免假設發生戰爭的可能性的時候\n164400\t168724\t藥品和原料是否受到航運的影響而導致斷絕供應,所以對這些被列為必要藥品和\n182834\t195929\t戰略藥品的一個項目更加依賴所以想請問根據衛福部的瞭解臺灣有多少比例的那個製藥原料是來自海外的其中有多少比例來自中國我請署長回答\n200838\t228034\t委員好,我們其實大部分的原料藥都是輸入的。台灣自己有的原料藥的品項應該只有幾百種。對,所以我們很多還是,現在我們一直在鼓勵國內的原料藥廠,他們也能夠自己能夠研發,不過這個都需要時間。對,你看八成來自國外,所以想問這八成裡面這原物料有這麼高比例掌握在中國,占了50%,\n229073\t244389\t醫療法草案案件事宜及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11\n251076\t270227\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n278882\t293337\t草案案政府的工作執行經驗如果要落實這一項建議的話勢必是要有現有的機制去做整合所以想問必要藥品跟戰備藥品盤點是不是落實這個資料治理的監督機制的政策項目之一當然\n294724\t315709\t那如果是的話那我們就要來看是因為這些包括必要藥品跟戰略藥品的話按照法都要定期盤點來確保我們的藥品跟醫材都是有足夠的庫存來維繫我們藥品供應的安全所以想請問的是自104年之後通過的藥師法第27條之2的修正案當中\n316829\t326452\t已經開始必要藥品的盤點要兩年盤點一次可最近公告必要藥品清單卻是在112年所以我們在前面107年109年盤點然後怎麼到110年反而是跨三年\n334545\t363378\t想問是為什麼定期盤點必要藥品的任務會變成如此的隨意鬆散因為本來222怎麼到這時候變成3那一年應該要盤點的那一年應該是碰到疫情碰到疫情的時候因為有一些藥的供應還是有一些問題那整個國際的這個進出口也受到部長那時候不是更要盤點嗎因為我們那時候事實上疫情我們是最脆弱的\n363837\t367880\t醫療法草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n391789\t392630\t藥品供應鏈降低危險\n418823\t443493\t目前的原料藥來自國外比較多那大量仰賴國外的原廠藥的話那印度生產的學民藥陸續又在臺販售跟國內的製藥者去做競爭臺灣生產的學民藥甚至要透過跟印度合作取得銷售國外的通路所以印度自1970年開始大力發展我們的學民藥產業以至於今日幾乎超越臺灣\n444406\t444787\t藥品供應鏈還有韌性嗎?\n451444\t476170\t這的確是一個比較大的問題就是說國內的學名藥的市場要怎麼樣開拓因為國內的學名藥的這個廠商通常都把市場鎖定是在國內的健保市場作為它主要的市場那這樣子來講對這一個產業發展是不利的是不是我覺得現在\n478933\t485022\t藥品供應鏈,台灣的策略會是什麼?所以如果近來各國都爭相我們的強化\n486581\t515494\t藥品供應鏈,那是不是日本是啟動本土的製藥來採分散供應的策略,韓國是強化藥品定期盤點,它是每6個月,那到底我們要不要去比照,我認為是不是臺灣是不是可以一年盤查一次,那另外一個就要問的是,所以本期強烈要求衛福部要立即規劃自民國114年當年起的那個必要藥品跟戰略藥品跟原\n517464\t521161\t藥每一年都做一次的盤查。」我不知道部長這邊同意嗎?\n523837\t547655\t這可能要看因為其實這些藥品的品項也蠻多而且分散在各個醫療院所以可不可以評估看看可不可以做到因為這個還是自為關鍵因為如果真來了我們需要有這些來救治所以一樣原料藥的那個盤查沒有法律規定的話所以是不是在年底之前提出法律的修正案\n547875\t570137\t草案、送本院審議。」這個不知道部長同意嗎?原料藥的部分的話這個法律修正是沒有太大的問題但是實際執行要怎麼樣執行的話可能還要再思考一下因為原料藥跟其他的藥品的國外或國內製造的藥品\n572319\t598162\t信紙上面還是不一樣尤其是目前的剛剛提到的百分之五十以上的市場是寡占的所以這個要怎麼樣來運作可能要思考一下請再評估最後問一個就是說近期黃子佼違法持有我們的兒少性剝削影片當然很多人都表態是說很多委員也表態說要\n598763\t611390\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n628179\t650744\t不能判斷王岳是否違法,能要請我們的主管機關衛福部來行動。昨天衛福部也很快地就做回應了,我們就看新聞稿說衛福部已經有建置性影像處理中性為單一窗口,要等民眾來申訴移除性影像,就會請地方政府來做。\n651551\t666757\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n681465\t682546\t邱議瑩等21人擬具〈再生醫療法草案〉案〉\n704169\t719099\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n731850\t734502\t謝謝林月請委員發言。接下來請陳金輝委員發言。\n","txt":"謝謝主席。那有請我們的部長跟食藥署的署長。請薛部長跟吳署長。部長早吼。委員好。那因為你的再生醫療都到現在還沒有院版的沒有送進來吼。今天就不針對這個吼來談吼。因為像剛剛那個趙志偉議員在問的很多條你搞不好已經是拿掉的吼。因為我們一直沒有看到行政院版本吼。\n那所以今天想來跟你討論的一個就是我們的國際局勢不穩定全世界都在關心我們國內藥品的存量是否是充足的那包括臺灣安全的歐盟也在2023年公布了我們的關鍵用品的那個清單那所以歐盟這項措施的話顯示我們國際市場上的藥品的原物料跟成品來源的話\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n草案案件提高藥品需求的可預測性來加強供應所以想請問一下就是說今天結合群力以夥伴關係來全體利益來作為監督管控的時候這是一個相當嚴謹的管制方法那同時各個因為各階段性的任務不同的話關鍵藥物的聯盟在政策規劃階段也曾半斤半眼一個規劃者的\n草案案件事項目的角色,所以臺灣的必要藥品的盤點機制裡邊有沒有存在這樣的角色?有。我們目前必要藥品的部分的品項大概是481項。那每兩年我們會做一個重新再做的禮避。好,謝謝部長。那臺灣的藥師工會等專業的團體是不是可以承擔這樣的任務?就你的看法。\n我覺得這一個還是由行政機關來主導那我們會參考這一個相關的專業團體的意見因為如果通通委託給專業團體的話那他可能想的就不太一樣上藥品關係到國家跟社會的安全面對中國的威脅台灣不能避免假設發生戰爭的可能性的時候\n藥品和原料是否受到航運的影響而導致斷絕供應,所以對這些被列為必要藥品和\n戰略藥品的一個項目更加依賴所以想請問根據衛福部的瞭解臺灣有多少比例的那個製藥原料是來自海外的其中有多少比例來自中國我請署長回答\n委員好,我們其實大部分的原料藥都是輸入的。台灣自己有的原料藥的品項應該只有幾百種。對,所以我們很多還是,現在我們一直在鼓勵國內的原料藥廠,他們也能夠自己能夠研發,不過這個都需要時間。對,你看八成來自國外,所以想問這八成裡面這原物料有這麼高比例掌握在中國,占了50%,\n醫療法草案案件事宜及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n草案案政府的工作執行經驗如果要落實這一項建議的話勢必是要有現有的機制去做整合所以想問必要藥品跟戰備藥品盤點是不是落實這個資料治理的監督機制的政策項目之一當然\n那如果是的話那我們就要來看是因為這些包括必要藥品跟戰略藥品的話按照法都要定期盤點來確保我們的藥品跟醫材都是有足夠的庫存來維繫我們藥品供應的安全所以想請問的是自104年之後通過的藥師法第27條之2的修正案當中\n已經開始必要藥品的盤點要兩年盤點一次可最近公告必要藥品清單卻是在112年所以我們在前面107年109年盤點然後怎麼到110年反而是跨三年\n想問是為什麼定期盤點必要藥品的任務會變成如此的隨意鬆散因為本來222怎麼到這時候變成3那一年應該要盤點的那一年應該是碰到疫情碰到疫情的時候因為有一些藥的供應還是有一些問題那整個國際的這個進出口也受到部長那時候不是更要盤點嗎因為我們那時候事實上疫情我們是最脆弱的\n醫療法草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n藥品供應鏈降低危險\n目前的原料藥來自國外比較多那大量仰賴國外的原廠藥的話那印度生產的學民藥陸續又在臺販售跟國內的製藥者去做競爭臺灣生產的學民藥甚至要透過跟印度合作取得銷售國外的通路所以印度自1970年開始大力發展我們的學民藥產業以至於今日幾乎超越臺灣\n藥品供應鏈還有韌性嗎?\n這的確是一個比較大的問題就是說國內的學名藥的市場要怎麼樣開拓因為國內的學名藥的這個廠商通常都把市場鎖定是在國內的健保市場作為它主要的市場那這樣子來講對這一個產業發展是不利的是不是我覺得現在\n藥品供應鏈,台灣的策略會是什麼?所以如果近來各國都爭相我們的強化\n藥品供應鏈,那是不是日本是啟動本土的製藥來採分散供應的策略,韓國是強化藥品定期盤點,它是每6個月,那到底我們要不要去比照,我認為是不是臺灣是不是可以一年盤查一次,那另外一個就要問的是,所以本期強烈要求衛福部要立即規劃自民國114年當年起的那個必要藥品跟戰略藥品跟原\n藥每一年都做一次的盤查。」我不知道部長這邊同意嗎?\n這可能要看因為其實這些藥品的品項也蠻多而且分散在各個醫療院所以可不可以評估看看可不可以做到因為這個還是自為關鍵因為如果真來了我們需要有這些來救治所以一樣原料藥的那個盤查沒有法律規定的話所以是不是在年底之前提出法律的修正案\n草案、送本院審議。」這個不知道部長同意嗎?原料藥的部分的話這個法律修正是沒有太大的問題但是實際執行要怎麼樣執行的話可能還要再思考一下因為原料藥跟其他的藥品的國外或國內製造的藥品\n信紙上面還是不一樣尤其是目前的剛剛提到的百分之五十以上的市場是寡占的所以這個要怎麼樣來運作可能要思考一下請再評估最後問一個就是說近期黃子佼違法持有我們的兒少性剝削影片當然很多人都表態是說很多委員也表態說要\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n不能判斷王岳是否違法,能要請我們的主管機關衛福部來行動。昨天衛福部也很快地就做回應了,我們就看新聞稿說衛福部已經有建置性影像處理中性為單一窗口,要等民眾來申訴移除性影像,就會請地方政府來做。\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n邱議瑩等21人擬具〈再生醫療法草案〉案〉\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n謝謝林月請委員發言。接下來請陳金輝委員發言。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.545 --> 00:32.142\n謝謝主席。那有請我們的部長跟食藥署的署長。請薛部長跟吳署長。部長早吼。委員好。那因為你的再生醫療都到現在還沒有院版的沒有送進來吼。今天就不針對這個吼來談吼。因為像剛剛那個趙志偉議員在問的很多條你搞不好已經是拿掉的吼。因為我們一直沒有看到行政院版本吼。\n\n00:32.902 --> 01:00.718\n那所以今天想來跟你討論的一個就是我們的國際局勢不穩定全世界都在關心我們國內藥品的存量是否是充足的那包括臺灣安全的歐盟也在2023年公布了我們的關鍵用品的那個清單那所以歐盟這項措施的話顯示我們國際市場上的藥品的原物料跟成品來源的話\n\n01:01.458 --> 01:13.962\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n01:25.706 --> 01:50.358\n草案案件提高藥品需求的可預測性來加強供應所以想請問一下就是說今天結合群力以夥伴關係來全體利益來作為監督管控的時候這是一個相當嚴謹的管制方法那同時各個因為各階段性的任務不同的話關鍵藥物的聯盟在政策規劃階段也曾半斤半眼一個規劃者的\n\n01:51.792 --> 02:18.369\n草案案件事項目的角色,所以臺灣的必要藥品的盤點機制裡邊有沒有存在這樣的角色?有。我們目前必要藥品的部分的品項大概是481項。那每兩年我們會做一個重新再做的禮避。好,謝謝部長。那臺灣的藥師工會等專業的團體是不是可以承擔這樣的任務?就你的看法。\n\n02:19.552 --> 02:43.927\n我覺得這一個還是由行政機關來主導那我們會參考這一個相關的專業團體的意見因為如果通通委託給專業團體的話那他可能想的就不太一樣上藥品關係到國家跟社會的安全面對中國的威脅台灣不能避免假設發生戰爭的可能性的時候\n\n02:44.400 --> 02:48.724\n藥品和原料是否受到航運的影響而導致斷絕供應,所以對這些被列為必要藥品和\n\n03:02.834 --> 03:15.929\n戰略藥品的一個項目更加依賴所以想請問根據衛福部的瞭解臺灣有多少比例的那個製藥原料是來自海外的其中有多少比例來自中國我請署長回答\n\n03:20.838 --> 03:48.034\n委員好,我們其實大部分的原料藥都是輸入的。台灣自己有的原料藥的品項應該只有幾百種。對,所以我們很多還是,現在我們一直在鼓勵國內的原料藥廠,他們也能夠自己能夠研發,不過這個都需要時間。對,你看八成來自國外,所以想問這八成裡面這原物料有這麼高比例掌握在中國,占了50%,\n\n03:49.073 --> 04:04.389\n醫療法草案案件事宜及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11\n\n04:11.076 --> 04:30.227\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n04:38.882 --> 04:53.337\n草案案政府的工作執行經驗如果要落實這一項建議的話勢必是要有現有的機制去做整合所以想問必要藥品跟戰備藥品盤點是不是落實這個資料治理的監督機制的政策項目之一當然\n\n04:54.724 --> 05:15.709\n那如果是的話那我們就要來看是因為這些包括必要藥品跟戰略藥品的話按照法都要定期盤點來確保我們的藥品跟醫材都是有足夠的庫存來維繫我們藥品供應的安全所以想請問的是自104年之後通過的藥師法第27條之2的修正案當中\n\n05:16.829 --> 05:26.452\n已經開始必要藥品的盤點要兩年盤點一次可最近公告必要藥品清單卻是在112年所以我們在前面107年109年盤點然後怎麼到110年反而是跨三年\n\n05:34.545 --> 06:03.378\n想問是為什麼定期盤點必要藥品的任務會變成如此的隨意鬆散因為本來222怎麼到這時候變成3那一年應該要盤點的那一年應該是碰到疫情碰到疫情的時候因為有一些藥的供應還是有一些問題那整個國際的這個進出口也受到部長那時候不是更要盤點嗎因為我們那時候事實上疫情我們是最脆弱的\n\n06:03.837 --> 06:07.880\n醫療法草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n\n06:31.789 --> 06:32.630\n藥品供應鏈降低危險\n\n06:58.823 --> 07:23.493\n目前的原料藥來自國外比較多那大量仰賴國外的原廠藥的話那印度生產的學民藥陸續又在臺販售跟國內的製藥者去做競爭臺灣生產的學民藥甚至要透過跟印度合作取得銷售國外的通路所以印度自1970年開始大力發展我們的學民藥產業以至於今日幾乎超越臺灣\n\n07:24.406 --> 07:24.787\n藥品供應鏈還有韌性嗎?\n\n07:31.444 --> 07:56.170\n這的確是一個比較大的問題就是說國內的學名藥的市場要怎麼樣開拓因為國內的學名藥的這個廠商通常都把市場鎖定是在國內的健保市場作為它主要的市場那這樣子來講對這一個產業發展是不利的是不是我覺得現在\n\n07:58.933 --> 08:05.022\n藥品供應鏈,台灣的策略會是什麼?所以如果近來各國都爭相我們的強化\n\n08:06.581 --> 08:35.494\n藥品供應鏈,那是不是日本是啟動本土的製藥來採分散供應的策略,韓國是強化藥品定期盤點,它是每6個月,那到底我們要不要去比照,我認為是不是臺灣是不是可以一年盤查一次,那另外一個就要問的是,所以本期強烈要求衛福部要立即規劃自民國114年當年起的那個必要藥品跟戰略藥品跟原\n\n08:37.464 --> 08:41.161\n藥每一年都做一次的盤查。」我不知道部長這邊同意嗎?\n\n08:43.837 --> 09:07.655\n這可能要看因為其實這些藥品的品項也蠻多而且分散在各個醫療院所以可不可以評估看看可不可以做到因為這個還是自為關鍵因為如果真來了我們需要有這些來救治所以一樣原料藥的那個盤查沒有法律規定的話所以是不是在年底之前提出法律的修正案\n\n09:07.875 --> 09:30.137\n草案、送本院審議。」這個不知道部長同意嗎?原料藥的部分的話這個法律修正是沒有太大的問題但是實際執行要怎麼樣執行的話可能還要再思考一下因為原料藥跟其他的藥品的國外或國內製造的藥品\n\n09:32.319 --> 09:58.162\n信紙上面還是不一樣尤其是目前的剛剛提到的百分之五十以上的市場是寡占的所以這個要怎麼樣來運作可能要思考一下請再評估最後問一個就是說近期黃子佼違法持有我們的兒少性剝削影片當然很多人都表態是說很多委員也表態說要\n\n09:58.763 --> 10:11.390\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n10:28.179 --> 10:50.744\n不能判斷王岳是否違法,能要請我們的主管機關衛福部來行動。昨天衛福部也很快地就做回應了,我們就看新聞稿說衛福部已經有建置性影像處理中性為單一窗口,要等民眾來申訴移除性影像,就會請地方政府來做。\n\n10:51.551 --> 11:06.757\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n11:21.465 --> 11:22.546\n邱議瑩等21人擬具〈再生醫療法草案〉案〉\n\n11:44.169 --> 11:59.099\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n12:11.850 --> 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