{"id":150958,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150958","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/871d5246fb87948ef2daa9272321c6bf533009c4a7c43105f8ba9b0039caa7a68eb383f3b572de745ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"陳菁徽","委員發言時間":"09:49:02 - 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#MeToo的風潮嘛！"],["薛部長瑞元：嗯。"],["陳委員菁徽：在這個 #MeToo的風潮中，其實這些性暴力或是性犯罪的受害者往往是早年有這樣子的經驗，結果經歷了很大的事件以後，全部都回憶起來。像 #MeToo其實是一部電視劇引發的，那部電視劇是在講黨工的故事，結果很多黨工紛紛開始回憶起他們年輕時經歷過的性侵害。再來是像最近這些事件，為什麼會有人在網路上寫文章，說自己在未成年的時候遭受性侵害？可能也是因為有一個比較重大的事件或是私密片等等，觸動了這些回憶。所以我也發現網路上很多人開始分享自己小時候受到性騷擾、性侵害等等的經驗，而且每個人回憶起來之後，就會想要去找相關的資源。我覺得我必須稱讚衛福部的是，你們的SEO做得非常好，所以當我在搜尋性騷擾相關資訊時，衛福部的網站會第一個跳出來。但是所有的性騷擾受害者想要去看下面的處理原則，比如說明手冊、申訴書等等的，出現的會是什麼畫面？現場官員也可以拿起手機，實際操作看看。結果都是空白的！也就是說，你們的網站會放到第一個，讓性騷擾的受害者很快找到衛福部有提供這些資源，可是裡面的內容卻是空白的！"],["薛部長瑞元：這個我們查一下，看看到底是什麼問題。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為現在在網路上搜尋這些資訊的人其實還滿多的。"],["薛部長瑞元：可能是技術問題，連結又跑掉了。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為現在需要被接住的人非常多，不知道今天下班之前你們有沒有辦法解決這樣的技術性問題？"],["薛部長瑞元：我們今天就把它修正過來。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以我們可以看到，最近我也跟非法性影片網站的某一位受害者接觸過，他告訴我說，他在遭受私密片外流之後，整整接受了一整年的心理諮商才稍微平復，而且可以走出來，但是當他又遇到重大事件的時候，又會陷入原本的情緒。所以你會知道，這些性侵害創傷的復原方案非常重要，而且我們每年也編列了幾千萬的預算去協助這些人。我問了地方政府的社福單位，他們說像這樣子的服務對象都是早年遭受創傷而且目前沒有司法案件在審理的被害人，可是他們可能是在未成年的時候遭受創傷，因為地方政府多半是處理一些緊急的案件，所以較少會轉介。","因此本席希望部長可以注意到，像這種特殊性的族群是需要你們主動去提醒他們的，比如說主動去通報早年曾經受創的人，或者是像您最近做得不錯，就是去花蓮賑災的時候就跟災民說，衛福部有提供一些心理支持的方案，歡迎災民來使用這樣子的服務。又比如說最近有這些新聞，衛福部也都有積極地回應你們對於新聞的看法或是後續的處理方式，所以未來是不是你們也可以提醒有在看新聞的這些曾經有不好的經驗受害者，也可以尋求你們這樣子的服務？"],["薛部長瑞元：這當然是藉由媒體來宣導，這個沒有問題，我們一定可以來做，但目前來看的話，我們有在各個縣市設置性侵害防治中心，裡面就有對受害者提供驗傷、陪同報案和心理輔導，其中心理輔導的部分以去年來看的話，一共提供了差不多1萬3,000人次。"],["陳委員菁徽：但是部長，我要跟你說一個數據，其實遭受性侵害、性騷擾的這些人有很多黑數，他們九成不會通報，可能有四成連跟人家講都不敢，而且未成年占了七成，要讓小朋友知道怎麼通報，這個太困難了，因此你的資源不應該只投注在這些有通報的案件，而是應該要去重視可能因為看到新聞而回憶起來的人，或是他不敢講，他也很後悔自己以前沒有講出來，這些人也是你需要關懷的。因為我接觸的這個受害者，他說他是諮商師朋友告訴他有這個服務，他才知道的，他當時忙著報案，數位警察也不太熟心理諮商，所以可能講出一些讓他感受不是很好的話。","大家對於性別意識不斷的提高，因此我們的兒保通報案是創5年來的新高，但很遺憾的是社工不足，這個我們在多次的委員會都已經談過了，所以我們的開案率逐年降低，然後也創了新低。當時部長有講到可能是派案不夠精準，因為現在大家都比較怕被究責等等，大家都會往兒保那邊去派，所以就會被派到家暴中心去，而到脆弱家庭社工這邊會比較少，大家會稍微把它從嚴看待。這個派案不夠精準，你有提到說正在研擬兒少分流輔助的指引，可是要等到5月才會提交到行政院，最快要下一個會期，所以下一個會期最早是9月，最慢是12月。可是我們來看一下，一年我們有9.5萬件，延遲這5個月的時間，大概就有4萬人會因為派案失準而被延遲或是沒有開案等等，這些都是可能的，像現在這是社會高度矚目的題材，部長會不會更加快這樣子的速度，把這個分流輔助的指引送到立法院，可以拼這個會期？"],["薛部長瑞元：這一個部分的話，其實剛剛講說可能要到5月等等，這指的是修法，是兒權法修法的部分，但是派案精準的部分，我們儘量看看這個指引能不能提早出來。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為我問了一下基層的這些兒保社工人員，他們因為派案失準，已經快要被壓垮了，離職率也越來越高，越來越難招人，所以這也許是比較急迫的問題。"],["薛部長瑞元：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：接下來我也想問，因為早上昭姿委員也有問到，你們是不是有辦過一個再生醫療法草案的公開說明會，大概3月21號？"],["薛部長瑞元：對，我們辦了2次。"],["陳委員菁徽：2場？好，我有稍微看了一下這個公開說明會的內容，其實是修改蠻多部分的，但是跟今天我們業務報告拿出來的會報，好像結論是大相逕庭耶！"],["薛部長瑞元：沒有、沒有，這其實修改不多啦！比較會去動的就是剛剛提到的那2個條文，一個是人體試驗，本來有3款，把它拿掉1款；另外一個是醫療機構兼營生技公司，這一條我們把它拿掉，其他的部分大概就是條次有變更。"],["陳委員菁徽：其他是小修改，是不是？"],["薛部長瑞元：對。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為我看每一章你都有做slight……"],["薛部長瑞元：對，但是一個看起來比較大的修改，是把那一個人體試驗移到前面來，因為過去很多的批評是說都不用人體試驗就准他這樣做，其實是章節編排的問題。"],["陳委員菁徽：是。"],["薛部長瑞元：把人體試驗放到後面去，會以為是這樣子。"],["陳委員菁徽：這個草案其實你們有一些修改的方向，為什麼不想在這次的報告裡面呈現給委員們看？"],["薛部長瑞元：不是，是來不及，因為行政院在4月19號政委才要做審查。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，其實您也可以稍微在這次的報告裡面提到您修改的方向主要是哪一些部分，不然我們拿到你的報告，然後再對照別人給我們的公開說明會資料，會覺得……"],["薛部長瑞元：這樣對行政院有點不禮貌，因為他還沒有審查完，我們就把這資料拿到立法院來，有一點……"],["陳委員菁徽：主席，我稍微講2個重點就好了。你們裡面有一個再生醫療審議委員會，對於再生醫療審議委員會可以做的事情，我覺得是自廢武功，因為你把很多項目包括推動政策、觀念宣導、病安、醫療品質提升、人才培育等等都只有諮詢的功能，你只有第五款還有第七款，關於研究還有再生製劑的許可才有審議的功能，我是不是這樣建議，你應該把第一行改成以下四項再生醫療審議會都有審議跟諮詢的功能？你可以擔任監督，你是守門員，審議會是守門員，結果你大部分都只有諮詢的功能，不是很不合理嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：這個也要看它的性質，像人才培育要審什麼？"],["陳委員菁徽：那病人安全跟醫療品質總要審議吧？"],["薛部長瑞元：這是一個廣泛性的，也沒有……審議通常指的是個案，一個什麼樣的案子來，要你去……"],["陳委員菁徽：那第六款呢？"],["薛部長瑞元：第六款一樣，這是一個通案性的。第七款這個才是，有這種再生製劑附款許可的，這個案子就要拿來審議會做個案審查。"],["陳委員菁徽：再生技術的管理不需要審議嗎？第六款。"],["薛部長瑞元：第六款？這個……"],["陳委員菁徽：還有執行成效評估，第八款。"],["薛部長瑞元：不是，這是大的原則，第六款那個是再生技術管理，有沒有什麼樣的方向性，是由這一個委員會來提供意見給我們……"],["陳委員菁徽：最後一個小小的建議……"],["薛部長瑞元：這不太像是審議。"],["陳委員菁徽：這邊有規定性別委員不得少於委員總數的三分之一，但是我們來比較你其他的醫事審議委員會，你規定要有醫事、法學學者、社會人士，請之後提出來的草案可以再加強這裡面人員組成的專業度好嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：好。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝。"],["薛部長瑞元：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員。這2個法案的具體內容探討，我們還可以在逐條討論的時候再來深入討論，不好意思，因為時間的關係。","接下來請王育敏委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-11","speakers":["黃秀芳","邱議瑩","羅廷瑋","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","王育敏","涂權吉","王正旭","蘇清泉","林淑芬","洪申翰","黃捷","賴士葆","陳瑩","黃國昌","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","蘇巧慧","陳冠廷","楊曜","劉建國","邱鎮軍","林德福","邱志偉"],"page_start":155,"meetingDate":["2024-04-10"],"gazette_id":"1132601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1132601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查(一)委員邱議瑩等25人擬具「再生醫療法草案」案、(二)委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「再生\n醫療法草案」案、(三)委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具「再生醫療法草案」案；二、審查(一)委員邱議瑩\n等25人擬具「再生醫療製劑條例草案」案、(二)委員謝衣鳯等18人擬具「再生醫療製劑管理條例\n草案」案、( 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00:01:32,551\n結果紛紛許多黨工就開始回憶他們年輕的時候曾經歷的性侵害再來像最近的這些事件為什麼會有人在網路上寫文章說自己在未成年的時候遭受到性侵害也是因為可能有一個比較重大的事件或是私密騙等等觸動了這些回憶所以呢我也\n\n5\n00:01:33,891 --> 00:01:59,117\n發現網路上很多人開始分享自己小的時候受到性騷擾啊性侵害等等的這個經驗所以呢每個人回憶起來以後就會想要去找相關的資源那我覺得衛福部必須要稱讚的是你們的SEO做得非常好所以當我在搜尋性騷擾相關資訊衛福部的網站會第一個跳出來\n\n6\n00:02:00,922 --> 00:02:17,928\n但是呢,所有這些信只要有受害者他想要去看下面的處理原則比如說說明手冊啊、申訴書等等的我們來看一下會是什麼畫面這也可以請現場的官員可以拿起手機實際的操作看看結果都是空白的\n\n7\n00:02:22,887 --> 00:02:35,396\n所以你們網站會放到第一個你會讓性騷擾的受害者很快的找到衛福部有提供你這些資源可是你裡面的內容卻是空白的這我們查一下啦到底這個問題是什麼因為現在網路上在搜尋這些資訊的人其實還蠻多的\n\n8\n00:02:48,476 --> 00:02:53,218\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n9\n00:03:10,923 --> 00:03:30,877\n信影片網站的某一位受害者接觸過他告訴我說呢他在遭受這個私密片外流之後他整整接受了一整年的心理諮商他才稍微平復而且可以走出來但當然又遇到重大事件的時候他又會陷進去原本的那個情緒\n\n10\n00:03:31,698 --> 00:03:46,745\n所以你會知道說這些這個性侵害創傷的復原方案非常的重要而且呢我們每年也編列幾千萬的預算去協助這些我有問了一下地方政府的社府單位地方政府社府單位說\n\n11\n00:03:47,825 --> 00:03:49,107\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案案件\n\n12\n00:04:03,985 --> 00:04:23,705\n因此在這邊也希望說部長可以注意到像這種特殊性的特殊性的族群是需要你們主動去提醒他們比如說你們可能主動去通報早年曾經受創的人或者是像最近您做得不錯去花蓮震災的時候你們就會告訴這些災民說\n\n13\n00:04:26,568 --> 00:04:48,369\n我們有提供一些心理支持的方案歡迎災民來使用這樣子的服務啊所以比如說最近有這些新聞衛福部也都有積極的回應你們對於新聞的看法或是後續的處理方式所以未來是不是你們也可以提醒有在看新聞的這些曾經有不好的經驗的受害者也可以尋求你們這樣子的服務\n\n14\n00:04:50,050 --> 00:05:10,268\n這當然是藉由媒體來宣導這個是沒有問題我們一定可以來做那目前來看的話我們有這個設置了在各個縣市去設置性侵害防治中心那裡面就有對這個受害者提供除了驗傷啦陪同報案的還有心理輔導\n\n15\n00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:34,529\n那這心理輔導的部分的話以去年來看的話一共提供了差不多一萬三千人次啦對但部長我跟你說一個數據其實遭受性侵害性騷擾的這些人有很多是黑素他們九成不會通報可能四成連跟人家講都不敢而且呢未成年喔占了七成所以\n\n16\n00:05:35,890 --> 00:06:02,305\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件,因此你的資源不應該只投注在這些有通報的案件而是你應該要去重視他可能看到新聞這些人他回憶起來的或是他不敢講他也很後悔他以前沒有講出來這些人也是你所需要關懷的因為我接觸了這個受害者他說他是諮商師朋友告訴他有這個服務他才知道的他當\n\n17\n00:06:03,225 --> 00:06:23,210\n當時忙著在報案數位警察也不太熟心理諮商所以可能講出一些他感受不是很好的話啦那我們來看下一張這個所以大家對於性別意識不斷的提高因此呢我們的耳寶通報案是創五年來的新高但很遺憾的是\n\n18\n00:06:24,966 --> 00:06:52,764\n社工不足這個我們已經在多次的委員會都已經談過了所以我們的開案率逐年降低然後也創了新低當時呢部長有講到說可能是派案不夠精準因為現在大家都比較怕被究責啊等等所以大家都會往兒保那邊去派所以就會被派到家暴中心去而到社工這邊脆弱家庭社工這邊會比較少大家會稍微把他\n\n19\n00:06:54,025 --> 00:07:10,666\n草案：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生�\n\n20\n00:07:13,237 --> 00:07:33,380\n但我們來看一下一年我們有9.5萬件所以我們延遲這5個月的時間大概就有4萬人會因為拍案失準而被延遲或是沒有開案等等的這些都是可能我不知道像現在這是社會高度矚目的\n\n21\n00:07:34,241 --> 00:08:02,211\n提材啦所以部長會不會更加加快這樣子的速度把這個分流輔助的指引送到立法院如果可以拼這個會期這一個部分的話其實剛剛講說可能要到五月齁等等這些的話指的是修法啦而選法的修法的這一個部分但是派案的精準這部分當然我們有我們來盡量看看這個指引能不能提早出來啦\n\n22\n00:08:03,131 --> 00:08:30,708\n因為我問了一下基層的爾保這些社工人員他們因為派案失準所以已經快要被壓垮了離職率也越來越高越來越難招人所以這也許是比較急迫的問題接下來我也想問因為早上有看到周資委員也有問到你們是不是有辦過一個再生醫療法草案的公開說明會大概3月21號\n\n23\n00:08:36,193 --> 00:08:50,086\n兩場公開說明會我有稍微看了一下內容其實是修改蠻多部分的但是跟今天我們業務報告拿出來的彙報好像結論是大相徑庭\n\n24\n00:08:51,944 --> 00:09:20,725\n這其實修改不多啦比較會去動的就是剛剛提到的那兩個條文一個是那個免人體試驗的本來有三款把它拿掉一款那另外一個一個是就是那個醫療機構去兼營那個生技公司這一條我們把它拿掉那其他的部分大概就是條次有變化其他是小修改是不是因為我看每一張你都有做slide\n\n25\n00:09:21,385 --> 00:09:49,794\n對但是一個比較大看起來的大的修改是把那一個人體試驗移到前面來因為過去很多的批評是說啊都沒人體試驗啊就就尊爺這樣子啊其實是那個章節編排的問題啦把人體試驗放到後面去會以為是這個草案其實你們有一些修改的方向為什麼不想在這次的報告裡面呈現給\n\n26\n00:09:50,694 --> 00:09:54,755\n邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n27\n00:10:17,339 --> 00:10:39,253\n主席我稍微講兩個重點就好了你們裡面有一個再生醫療審議委員會在這個再生醫療審議委員會可以做的事情我覺得是自廢武功因為你把很多項目包括推動政策觀念宣導病安醫療品質提升人才培育等等都只有諮詢的功能你只有第五款\n\n28\n00:10:40,013 --> 00:11:05,785\n還有第七款關於這個研究還有再生治劑的許可才有審議的功能我是不是這樣建議你應該把第一行改成以下四項再生醫療審議會都有審議跟諮詢的功能了不然你不是可以擔任這個監督你是守門員審議會是守門員結果你大部分都只有諮詢的功能不是很不合理嗎\n\n29\n00:11:07,058 --> 00:11:10,755\n這個也要看他的性質啦,像說人才培育他要省什麼。\n\n30\n00:11:12,648 --> 00:11:39,571\n病人安全與醫療品質總要審議吧?這是一個廣泛性的審議通常指的是個案一個什麼樣的案子來要你去那第六款呢?第六款一樣這是一個通案性的第七款這才是有這種再生治劑有付款許可的這個案子就拿來審議會來再生技術的管理不需要審議嗎?第六款\n\n31\n00:11:41,733 --> 00:11:44,200\n還有執行成效評估第八款\n\n32\n00:11:46,796 --> 00:12:11,890\n這是大的原則第六款那個是災生技術管理有沒有什麼樣的方向性的話是由這一個委員會來可以來提供意見給我們最後一個小小的建議啦這邊有規定性別委員不得少於委員總數的三分之一但是我們來比較你其他的醫事審議委員會喔這邊你有規定要有醫事法學學者社會人士請\n\n33\n00:12:13,311 --> 00:12:27,252\n草案提出來的草案可以再加強這裡面的人員組成的專業度好嗎好好好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝陳慶輝委員而因為這兩個法案就是具體的內容探討我們還可以\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1209\t19094\t各位同事各位官員早安請學部長請學部長好部長我們在來的路上我看每個人都在看手機宣布新任的內閣啊所以我也想問部長說我們還有機會可以一起共事嗎我不知道\n21298\t42971\t雖然部長不知道但是真的很期待部長可以再繼續留任然後把您剛提到的比如說保育類相關的專法人工生殖法或是您所期待的這個再生醫療法我們都可以繼續一起把它完成好嗎在520之前的話我一定把自己份內的工作做好\n44226\t65538\t謝謝部長再來這個也是大家非常關心部長知道我們之前有一波MeToo的風潮這個MeToo的風潮其實這些性暴力或是性犯罪的受害者他們往往是早年有這樣子的經驗結果經歷了很大的事件以後全部都回憶起來所以像MeToo其實是一個電視劇引發的電視劇是在講黨工的故事\n69740\t92551\t結果紛紛許多黨工就開始回憶他們年輕的時候曾經歷的性侵害再來像最近的這些事件為什麼會有人在網路上寫文章說自己在未成年的時候遭受到性侵害也是因為可能有一個比較重大的事件或是私密騙等等觸動了這些回憶所以呢我也\n93891\t119117\t發現網路上很多人開始分享自己小的時候受到性騷擾啊性侵害等等的這個經驗所以呢每個人回憶起來以後就會想要去找相關的資源那我覺得衛福部必須要稱讚的是你們的SEO做得非常好所以當我在搜尋性騷擾相關資訊衛福部的網站會第一個跳出來\n120922\t137928\t但是呢,所有這些信只要有受害者他想要去看下面的處理原則比如說說明手冊啊、申訴書等等的我們來看一下會是什麼畫面這也可以請現場的官員可以拿起手機實際的操作看看結果都是空白的\n142887\t155396\t所以你們網站會放到第一個你會讓性騷擾的受害者很快的找到衛福部有提供你這些資源可是你裡面的內容卻是空白的這我們查一下啦到底這個問題是什麼因為現在網路上在搜尋這些資訊的人其實還蠻多的\n168476\t173218\t邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n190923\t210877\t信影片網站的某一位受害者接觸過他告訴我說呢他在遭受這個私密片外流之後他整整接受了一整年的心理諮商他才稍微平復而且可以走出來但當然又遇到重大事件的時候他又會陷進去原本的那個情緒\n211698\t226745\t所以你會知道說這些這個性侵害創傷的復原方案非常的重要而且呢我們每年也編列幾千萬的預算去協助這些我有問了一下地方政府的社府單位地方政府社府單位說\n227825\t229107\t邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案案件\n243985\t263705\t因此在這邊也希望說部長可以注意到像這種特殊性的特殊性的族群是需要你們主動去提醒他們比如說你們可能主動去通報早年曾經受創的人或者是像最近您做得不錯去花蓮震災的時候你們就會告訴這些災民說\n266568\t288369\t我們有提供一些心理支持的方案歡迎災民來使用這樣子的服務啊所以比如說最近有這些新聞衛福部也都有積極的回應你們對於新聞的看法或是後續的處理方式所以未來是不是你們也可以提醒有在看新聞的這些曾經有不好的經驗的受害者也可以尋求你們這樣子的服務\n290050\t310268\t這當然是藉由媒體來宣導這個是沒有問題我們一定可以來做那目前來看的話我們有這個設置了在各個縣市去設置性侵害防治中心那裡面就有對這個受害者提供除了驗傷啦陪同報案的還有心理輔導\n311269\t334529\t那這心理輔導的部分的話以去年來看的話一共提供了差不多一萬三千人次啦對但部長我跟你說一個數據其實遭受性侵害性騷擾的這些人有很多是黑素他們九成不會通報可能四成連跟人家講都不敢而且呢未成年喔占了七成所以\n335890\t362305\t邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件,因此你的資源不應該只投注在這些有通報的案件而是你應該要去重視他可能看到新聞這些人他回憶起來的或是他不敢講他也很後悔他以前沒有講出來這些人也是你所需要關懷的因為我接觸了這個受害者他說他是諮商師朋友告訴他有這個服務他才知道的他當\n363225\t383210\t當時忙著在報案數位警察也不太熟心理諮商所以可能講出一些他感受不是很好的話啦那我們來看下一張這個所以大家對於性別意識不斷的提高因此呢我們的耳寶通報案是創五年來的新高但很遺憾的是\n384966\t412764\t社工不足這個我們已經在多次的委員會都已經談過了所以我們的開案率逐年降低然後也創了新低當時呢部長有講到說可能是派案不夠精準因為現在大家都比較怕被究責啊等等所以大家都會往兒保那邊去派所以就會被派到家暴中心去而到社工這邊脆弱家庭社工這邊會比較少大家會稍微把他\n414025\t430666\t草案：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生�\n433237\t453380\t但我們來看一下一年我們有9.5萬件所以我們延遲這5個月的時間大概就有4萬人會因為拍案失準而被延遲或是沒有開案等等的這些都是可能我不知道像現在這是社會高度矚目的\n454241\t482211\t提材啦所以部長會不會更加加快這樣子的速度把這個分流輔助的指引送到立法院如果可以拼這個會期這一個部分的話其實剛剛講說可能要到五月齁等等這些的話指的是修法啦而選法的修法的這一個部分但是派案的精準這部分當然我們有我們來盡量看看這個指引能不能提早出來啦\n483131\t510708\t因為我問了一下基層的爾保這些社工人員他們因為派案失準所以已經快要被壓垮了離職率也越來越高越來越難招人所以這也許是比較急迫的問題接下來我也想問因為早上有看到周資委員也有問到你們是不是有辦過一個再生醫療法草案的公開說明會大概3月21號\n516193\t530086\t兩場公開說明會我有稍微看了一下內容其實是修改蠻多部分的但是跟今天我們業務報告拿出來的彙報好像結論是大相徑庭\n531944\t560725\t這其實修改不多啦比較會去動的就是剛剛提到的那兩個條文一個是那個免人體試驗的本來有三款把它拿掉一款那另外一個一個是就是那個醫療機構去兼營那個生技公司這一條我們把它拿掉那其他的部分大概就是條次有變化其他是小修改是不是因為我看每一張你都有做slide\n561385\t589794\t對但是一個比較大看起來的大的修改是把那一個人體試驗移到前面來因為過去很多的批評是說啊都沒人體試驗啊就就尊爺這樣子啊其實是那個章節編排的問題啦把人體試驗放到後面去會以為是這個草案其實你們有一些修改的方向為什麼不想在這次的報告裡面呈現給\n590694\t594755\t邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n617339\t639253\t主席我稍微講兩個重點就好了你們裡面有一個再生醫療審議委員會在這個再生醫療審議委員會可以做的事情我覺得是自廢武功因為你把很多項目包括推動政策觀念宣導病安醫療品質提升人才培育等等都只有諮詢的功能你只有第五款\n640013\t665785\t還有第七款關於這個研究還有再生治劑的許可才有審議的功能我是不是這樣建議你應該把第一行改成以下四項再生醫療審議會都有審議跟諮詢的功能了不然你不是可以擔任這個監督你是守門員審議會是守門員結果你大部分都只有諮詢的功能不是很不合理嗎\n667058\t670755\t這個也要看他的性質啦,像說人才培育他要省什麼。\n672648\t699571\t病人安全與醫療品質總要審議吧?這是一個廣泛性的審議通常指的是個案一個什麼樣的案子來要你去那第六款呢?第六款一樣這是一個通案性的第七款這才是有這種再生治劑有付款許可的這個案子就拿來審議會來再生技術的管理不需要審議嗎?第六款\n701733\t704200\t還有執行成效評估第八款\n706796\t731890\t這是大的原則第六款那個是災生技術管理有沒有什麼樣的方向性的話是由這一個委員會來可以來提供意見給我們最後一個小小的建議啦這邊有規定性別委員不得少於委員總數的三分之一但是我們來比較你其他的醫事審議委員會喔這邊你有規定要有醫事法學學者社會人士請\n733311\t747252\t草案 提出來的草案可以再加強這裡面的人員組成的專業度好嗎好好好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝陳慶輝委員而因為這兩個法案就是具體的內容探討我們還可以\n","txt":"各位同事各位官員早安請學部長請學部長好部長我們在來的路上我看每個人都在看手機宣布新任的內閣啊所以我也想問部長說我們還有機會可以一起共事嗎我不知道\n雖然部長不知道但是真的很期待部長可以再繼續留任然後把您剛提到的比如說保育類相關的專法人工生殖法或是您所期待的這個再生醫療法我們都可以繼續一起把它完成好嗎在520之前的話我一定把自己份內的工作做好\n謝謝部長再來這個也是大家非常關心部長知道我們之前有一波MeToo的風潮這個MeToo的風潮其實這些性暴力或是性犯罪的受害者他們往往是早年有這樣子的經驗結果經歷了很大的事件以後全部都回憶起來所以像MeToo其實是一個電視劇引發的電視劇是在講黨工的故事\n結果紛紛許多黨工就開始回憶他們年輕的時候曾經歷的性侵害再來像最近的這些事件為什麼會有人在網路上寫文章說自己在未成年的時候遭受到性侵害也是因為可能有一個比較重大的事件或是私密騙等等觸動了這些回憶所以呢我也\n發現網路上很多人開始分享自己小的時候受到性騷擾啊性侵害等等的這個經驗所以呢每個人回憶起來以後就會想要去找相關的資源那我覺得衛福部必須要稱讚的是你們的SEO做得非常好所以當我在搜尋性騷擾相關資訊衛福部的網站會第一個跳出來\n但是呢,所有這些信只要有受害者他想要去看下面的處理原則比如說說明手冊啊、申訴書等等的我們來看一下會是什麼畫面這也可以請現場的官員可以拿起手機實際的操作看看結果都是空白的\n所以你們網站會放到第一個你會讓性騷擾的受害者很快的找到衛福部有提供你這些資源可是你裡面的內容卻是空白的這我們查一下啦到底這個問題是什麼因為現在網路上在搜尋這些資訊的人其實還蠻多的\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n信影片網站的某一位受害者接觸過他告訴我說呢他在遭受這個私密片外流之後他整整接受了一整年的心理諮商他才稍微平復而且可以走出來但當然又遇到重大事件的時候他又會陷進去原本的那個情緒\n所以你會知道說這些這個性侵害創傷的復原方案非常的重要而且呢我們每年也編列幾千萬的預算去協助這些我有問了一下地方政府的社府單位地方政府社府單位說\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案案件\n因此在這邊也希望說部長可以注意到像這種特殊性的特殊性的族群是需要你們主動去提醒他們比如說你們可能主動去通報早年曾經受創的人或者是像最近您做得不錯去花蓮震災的時候你們就會告訴這些災民說\n我們有提供一些心理支持的方案歡迎災民來使用這樣子的服務啊所以比如說最近有這些新聞衛福部也都有積極的回應你們對於新聞的看法或是後續的處理方式所以未來是不是你們也可以提醒有在看新聞的這些曾經有不好的經驗的受害者也可以尋求你們這樣子的服務\n這當然是藉由媒體來宣導這個是沒有問題我們一定可以來做那目前來看的話我們有這個設置了在各個縣市去設置性侵害防治中心那裡面就有對這個受害者提供除了驗傷啦陪同報案的還有心理輔導\n那這心理輔導的部分的話以去年來看的話一共提供了差不多一萬三千人次啦對但部長我跟你說一個數據其實遭受性侵害性騷擾的這些人有很多是黑素他們九成不會通報可能四成連跟人家講都不敢而且呢未成年喔占了七成所以\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件,因此你的資源不應該只投注在這些有通報的案件而是你應該要去重視他可能看到新聞這些人他回憶起來的或是他不敢講他也很後悔他以前沒有講出來這些人也是你所需要關懷的因為我接觸了這個受害者他說他是諮商師朋友告訴他有這個服務他才知道的他當\n當時忙著在報案數位警察也不太熟心理諮商所以可能講出一些他感受不是很好的話啦那我們來看下一張這個所以大家對於性別意識不斷的提高因此呢我們的耳寶通報案是創五年來的新高但很遺憾的是\n社工不足這個我們已經在多次的委員會都已經談過了所以我們的開案率逐年降低然後也創了新低當時呢部長有講到說可能是派案不夠精準因為現在大家都比較怕被究責啊等等所以大家都會往兒保那邊去派所以就會被派到家暴中心去而到社工這邊脆弱家庭社工這邊會比較少大家會稍微把他\n草案：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生�\n但我們來看一下一年我們有9.5萬件所以我們延遲這5個月的時間大概就有4萬人會因為拍案失準而被延遲或是沒有開案等等的這些都是可能我不知道像現在這是社會高度矚目的\n提材啦所以部長會不會更加加快這樣子的速度把這個分流輔助的指引送到立法院如果可以拼這個會期這一個部分的話其實剛剛講說可能要到五月齁等等這些的話指的是修法啦而選法的修法的這一個部分但是派案的精準這部分當然我們有我們來盡量看看這個指引能不能提早出來啦\n因為我問了一下基層的爾保這些社工人員他們因為派案失準所以已經快要被壓垮了離職率也越來越高越來越難招人所以這也許是比較急迫的問題接下來我也想問因為早上有看到周資委員也有問到你們是不是有辦過一個再生醫療法草案的公開說明會大概3月21號\n兩場公開說明會我有稍微看了一下內容其實是修改蠻多部分的但是跟今天我們業務報告拿出來的彙報好像結論是大相徑庭\n這其實修改不多啦比較會去動的就是剛剛提到的那兩個條文一個是那個免人體試驗的本來有三款把它拿掉一款那另外一個一個是就是那個醫療機構去兼營那個生技公司這一條我們把它拿掉那其他的部分大概就是條次有變化其他是小修改是不是因為我看每一張你都有做slide\n對但是一個比較大看起來的大的修改是把那一個人體試驗移到前面來因為過去很多的批評是說啊都沒人體試驗啊就就尊爺這樣子啊其實是那個章節編排的問題啦把人體試驗放到後面去會以為是這個草案其實你們有一些修改的方向為什麼不想在這次的報告裡面呈現給\n邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n主席我稍微講兩個重點就好了你們裡面有一個再生醫療審議委員會在這個再生醫療審議委員會可以做的事情我覺得是自廢武功因為你把很多項目包括推動政策觀念宣導病安醫療品質提升人才培育等等都只有諮詢的功能你只有第五款\n還有第七款關於這個研究還有再生治劑的許可才有審議的功能我是不是這樣建議你應該把第一行改成以下四項再生醫療審議會都有審議跟諮詢的功能了不然你不是可以擔任這個監督你是守門員審議會是守門員結果你大部分都只有諮詢的功能不是很不合理嗎\n這個也要看他的性質啦,像說人才培育他要省什麼。\n病人安全與醫療品質總要審議吧?這是一個廣泛性的審議通常指的是個案一個什麼樣的案子來要你去那第六款呢?第六款一樣這是一個通案性的第七款這才是有這種再生治劑有付款許可的這個案子就拿來審議會來再生技術的管理不需要審議嗎?第六款\n還有執行成效評估第八款\n這是大的原則第六款那個是災生技術管理有沒有什麼樣的方向性的話是由這一個委員會來可以來提供意見給我們最後一個小小的建議啦這邊有規定性別委員不得少於委員總數的三分之一但是我們來比較你其他的醫事審議委員會喔這邊你有規定要有醫事法學學者社會人士請\n草案 提出來的草案可以再加強這裡面的人員組成的專業度好嗎好好好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝陳慶輝委員而因為這兩個法案就是具體的內容探討我們還可以\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.209 --> 00:19.094\n各位同事各位官員早安請學部長請學部長好部長我們在來的路上我看每個人都在看手機宣布新任的內閣啊所以我也想問部長說我們還有機會可以一起共事嗎我不知道\n\n00:21.298 --> 00:42.971\n雖然部長不知道但是真的很期待部長可以再繼續留任然後把您剛提到的比如說保育類相關的專法人工生殖法或是您所期待的這個再生醫療法我們都可以繼續一起把它完成好嗎在520之前的話我一定把自己份內的工作做好\n\n00:44.226 --> 01:05.538\n謝謝部長再來這個也是大家非常關心部長知道我們之前有一波MeToo的風潮這個MeToo的風潮其實這些性暴力或是性犯罪的受害者他們往往是早年有這樣子的經驗結果經歷了很大的事件以後全部都回憶起來所以像MeToo其實是一個電視劇引發的電視劇是在講黨工的故事\n\n01:09.740 --> 01:32.551\n結果紛紛許多黨工就開始回憶他們年輕的時候曾經歷的性侵害再來像最近的這些事件為什麼會有人在網路上寫文章說自己在未成年的時候遭受到性侵害也是因為可能有一個比較重大的事件或是私密騙等等觸動了這些回憶所以呢我也\n\n01:33.891 --> 01:59.117\n發現網路上很多人開始分享自己小的時候受到性騷擾啊性侵害等等的這個經驗所以呢每個人回憶起來以後就會想要去找相關的資源那我覺得衛福部必須要稱讚的是你們的SEO做得非常好所以當我在搜尋性騷擾相關資訊衛福部的網站會第一個跳出來\n\n02:00.922 --> 02:17.928\n但是呢,所有這些信只要有受害者他想要去看下面的處理原則比如說說明手冊啊、申訴書等等的我們來看一下會是什麼畫面這也可以請現場的官員可以拿起手機實際的操作看看結果都是空白的\n\n02:22.887 --> 02:35.396\n所以你們網站會放到第一個你會讓性騷擾的受害者很快的找到衛福部有提供你這些資源可是你裡面的內容卻是空白的這我們查一下啦到底這個問題是什麼因為現在網路上在搜尋這些資訊的人其實還蠻多的\n\n02:48.476 --> 02:53.218\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n03:10.923 --> 03:30.877\n信影片網站的某一位受害者接觸過他告訴我說呢他在遭受這個私密片外流之後他整整接受了一整年的心理諮商他才稍微平復而且可以走出來但當然又遇到重大事件的時候他又會陷進去原本的那個情緒\n\n03:31.698 --> 03:46.745\n所以你會知道說這些這個性侵害創傷的復原方案非常的重要而且呢我們每年也編列幾千萬的預算去協助這些我有問了一下地方政府的社府單位地方政府社府單位說\n\n03:47.825 --> 03:49.107\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案案件\n\n04:03.985 --> 04:23.705\n因此在這邊也希望說部長可以注意到像這種特殊性的特殊性的族群是需要你們主動去提醒他們比如說你們可能主動去通報早年曾經受創的人或者是像最近您做得不錯去花蓮震災的時候你們就會告訴這些災民說\n\n04:26.568 --> 04:48.369\n我們有提供一些心理支持的方案歡迎災民來使用這樣子的服務啊所以比如說最近有這些新聞衛福部也都有積極的回應你們對於新聞的看法或是後續的處理方式所以未來是不是你們也可以提醒有在看新聞的這些曾經有不好的經驗的受害者也可以尋求你們這樣子的服務\n\n04:50.050 --> 05:10.268\n這當然是藉由媒體來宣導這個是沒有問題我們一定可以來做那目前來看的話我們有這個設置了在各個縣市去設置性侵害防治中心那裡面就有對這個受害者提供除了驗傷啦陪同報案的還有心理輔導\n\n05:11.269 --> 05:34.529\n那這心理輔導的部分的話以去年來看的話一共提供了差不多一萬三千人次啦對但部長我跟你說一個數據其實遭受性侵害性騷擾的這些人有很多是黑素他們九成不會通報可能四成連跟人家講都不敢而且呢未成年喔占了七成所以\n\n05:35.890 --> 06:02.305\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件,因此你的資源不應該只投注在這些有通報的案件而是你應該要去重視他可能看到新聞這些人他回憶起來的或是他不敢講他也很後悔他以前沒有講出來這些人也是你所需要關懷的因為我接觸了這個受害者他說他是諮商師朋友告訴他有這個服務他才知道的他當\n\n06:03.225 --> 06:23.210\n當時忙著在報案數位警察也不太熟心理諮商所以可能講出一些他感受不是很好的話啦那我們來看下一張這個所以大家對於性別意識不斷的提高因此呢我們的耳寶通報案是創五年來的新高但很遺憾的是\n\n06:24.966 --> 06:52.764\n社工不足這個我們已經在多次的委員會都已經談過了所以我們的開案率逐年降低然後也創了新低當時呢部長有講到說可能是派案不夠精準因為現在大家都比較怕被究責啊等等所以大家都會往兒保那邊去派所以就會被派到家暴中心去而到社工這邊脆弱家庭社工這邊會比較少大家會稍微把他\n\n06:54.025 --> 07:10.666\n草案：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生�\n\n07:13.237 --> 07:33.380\n但我們來看一下一年我們有9.5萬件所以我們延遲這5個月的時間大概就有4萬人會因為拍案失準而被延遲或是沒有開案等等的這些都是可能我不知道像現在這是社會高度矚目的\n\n07:34.241 --> 08:02.211\n提材啦所以部長會不會更加加快這樣子的速度把這個分流輔助的指引送到立法院如果可以拼這個會期這一個部分的話其實剛剛講說可能要到五月齁等等這些的話指的是修法啦而選法的修法的這一個部分但是派案的精準這部分當然我們有我們來盡量看看這個指引能不能提早出來啦\n\n08:03.131 --> 08:30.708\n因為我問了一下基層的爾保這些社工人員他們因為派案失準所以已經快要被壓垮了離職率也越來越高越來越難招人所以這也許是比較急迫的問題接下來我也想問因為早上有看到周資委員也有問到你們是不是有辦過一個再生醫療法草案的公開說明會大概3月21號\n\n08:36.193 --> 08:50.086\n兩場公開說明會我有稍微看了一下內容其實是修改蠻多部分的但是跟今天我們業務報告拿出來的彙報好像結論是大相徑庭\n\n08:51.944 --> 09:20.725\n這其實修改不多啦比較會去動的就是剛剛提到的那兩個條文一個是那個免人體試驗的本來有三款把它拿掉一款那另外一個一個是就是那個醫療機構去兼營那個生技公司這一條我們把它拿掉那其他的部分大概就是條次有變化其他是小修改是不是因為我看每一張你都有做slide\n\n09:21.385 --> 09:49.794\n對但是一個比較大看起來的大的修改是把那一個人體試驗移到前面來因為過去很多的批評是說啊都沒人體試驗啊就就尊爺這樣子啊其實是那個章節編排的問題啦把人體試驗放到後面去會以為是這個草案其實你們有一些修改的方向為什麼不想在這次的報告裡面呈現給\n\n09:50.694 --> 09:54.755\n邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n10:17.339 --> 10:39.253\n主席我稍微講兩個重點就好了你們裡面有一個再生醫療審議委員會在這個再生醫療審議委員會可以做的事情我覺得是自廢武功因為你把很多項目包括推動政策觀念宣導病安醫療品質提升人才培育等等都只有諮詢的功能你只有第五款\n\n10:40.013 --> 11:05.785\n還有第七款關於這個研究還有再生治劑的許可才有審議的功能我是不是這樣建議你應該把第一行改成以下四項再生醫療審議會都有審議跟諮詢的功能了不然你不是可以擔任這個監督你是守門員審議會是守門員結果你大部分都只有諮詢的功能不是很不合理嗎\n\n11:07.058 --> 11:10.755\n這個也要看他的性質啦,像說人才培育他要省什麼。\n\n11:12.648 --> 11:39.571\n病人安全與醫療品質總要審議吧?這是一個廣泛性的審議通常指的是個案一個什麼樣的案子來要你去那第六款呢?第六款一樣這是一個通案性的第七款這才是有這種再生治劑有付款許可的這個案子就拿來審議會來再生技術的管理不需要審議嗎?第六款\n\n11:41.733 --> 11:44.200\n還有執行成效評估第八款\n\n11:46.796 --> 12:11.890\n這是大的原則第六款那個是災生技術管理有沒有什麼樣的方向性的話是由這一個委員會來可以來提供意見給我們最後一個小小的建議啦這邊有規定性別委員不得少於委員總數的三分之一但是我們來比較你其他的醫事審議委員會喔這邊你有規定要有醫事法學學者社會人士請\n\n12:13.311 --> 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