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00:00:14,500\n主席次長\n\n2\n00:00:21,901 --> 00:00:46,124\n委員長市長很高興今天在這邊遇到你當然啦我覺得我們還是希望有機會是不是我不喜歡你啦你知道我們對你也非常予以期待當然還是希望有機會部長能夠親自來做一個備詢委員他今天去勘災國立管所幾個管所是勘災的問題是嗎是是是OKOK要不然我下一句就要講不然下次你來當部長不敢不敢\n\n3\n00:00:46,824 --> 00:01:09,816\n最主要我要跟大家講我想說我們之前我要延續前一個委員葛委員說的我們都很關注這個學習歷程的一個問題待會就要討論到幼兒園那我想很多的同學一直在跟我們抱怨甚至希望我們一定要在這邊發聲這個學習歷程已經變成了多元學習那個元是一元兩元的元是那個一塊錢兩塊錢的那個元真的對他們來說\n\n4\n00:01:13,278 --> 00:01:27,727\n實在是要額外花費許多的金錢去學習到這個學習歷程我想對於有一些不管是資訊差或者是偏鄉或者是有一些孩子他比如說我遇過金門的孩子他要為了這個學習歷程\n\n5\n00:01:29,688 --> 00:01:54,545\n他要來到本島那來做這個學習歷程的一個充實這些都會影響到他的一些生活開銷花費或是家庭的支出我想我們如果要推這個我想利益良善但是整個配套並沒有做好所以本席覺得在這樣子的情況之下學習歷程是不被接受的較多我們必須把這些狀況來好好的跟教育部來做一個同保教育部應該要\n\n6\n00:01:55,746 --> 00:02:16,164\n正是這個問題讓孩子的多元學習不是讓他們增加多的支出甚至是更多更多的時間要培養這個學習歷程我們台灣的升學壓力已經非常非常的痛苦現在又多了一個看似要給他們一個機會但是呢又是跟爭與更多的一個壓力我想這個部分\n\n7\n00:02:17,225 --> 00:02:39,082\n教育部應該要真的好好想想學習歷程到底這樣推出到底是利國利民還是誤名?謝謝委員關心我們高中的孩子生徒大學所必經的之路學習歷程來自於多元入學管道的其中的一個精神就讓孩子多元學習之後呈現一個表現的一個證明履歷\n\n8\n00:02:40,723 --> 00:03:07,498\n那這個經歷勢必有一些偏鄉孩子會比較辛苦渡海來台取得相關的認證等等等所以學習歷程檔案的呈現的優化或者簡化這方面我們是要努力或者是配套或者是教育部或教育局地方的教育局有沒有給予一些資源讓這個學習歷程不要有這麼大的壓力或者是不要有這麼大的金錢上的壓力讓他們能夠來參與我覺得這個部分的配套應該要做好是這個我們要注意\n\n9\n00:03:09,079 --> 00:03:10,360\n公幼私幼准公幼如果你是家長你會選擇哪一個進變性評價的費用回答到了\n\n10\n00:03:24,628 --> 00:03:40,767\n第一題的答案我覺得有兩個答案第一個答案就是你說的便宜、近第二個我覺得是有些家長覺得花錢不手軟只要能夠給孩子最好的他都要像我的太太她對於這個教育的品質她是非常非常的龜毛\n\n11\n00:03:41,127 --> 00:04:09,788\n那他覺得這個部分他願意去投資孩子的教育所以這是兩種答案但是這一份報告我要跟您報告的齁這個裡面的所有內容都提及的都是我們擴大公共化所有的一個進度我們在開設公立幼兒園、非營利幼兒園以及教保服務中心、職場服務中心的班數跟招生人數這些東西都在講述這些增加的班級數招收的人員但是呢\n\n12\n00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:29,796\n這些每一個班級跟每一個公立幼兒園他不用花費巨額嗎?您有探討這個問題嗎?我想僅對於國小內利用空餘的教室來改造增加公立幼兒園或者是班級數花費的金額您知道每一個班級數平均大概多少錢嗎?您大概知道嗎?如果以當然建制成本在內對\n\n13\n00:04:37,421 --> 00:04:38,302\n3500萬除以100可能要將近35萬一個班級35萬只有35嗎\n\n14\n00:04:48,798 --> 00:05:11,964\n總成本不止35萬應該連一個教室的裝潢都不夠我是數百萬我跟您特別報告一個園至少要3500萬在台中市的南區國光國小找到了好不容易一個他們以前在做回收室然後把它變成了一個公立的幼兒園場所上個禮拜的幼兒園有特別關心\n\n15\n00:05:14,785 --> 00:05:21,854\n只有一班我非常開心終於爭取到然後我很開心問他這樣子招收名額多少他說12位\n\n16\n00:05:24,466 --> 00:05:50,053\n那是兩歲班嗎?應該是兩歲班那他還有三到五歲的可是他只有一班而已因為他只有一格教室教室只有一格一格教室空間教室所以我看到在設立的過程當中我們的量能是不夠的而且我們在設立的過程我們花費的是巨額在設立公立幼兒園或者是公托或者是兩歲專班但是我覺得啊\n\n17\n00:05:50,433 --> 00:06:18,069\n如果像我們如果花費一個比如說公立幼兒園整個幼兒園園所的成立設立完以後我覺得大概要一億左右那如果我們的這一個每一個花費的費用都這麼巨額難道我們都沒有想像過我們要怎麼快很準讓這些家長可以馬上的享受這些福利比如說如果你蓋了要三四年我的孩子基本上兩歲專班已經錯過了\n\n18\n00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:35,184\n那我們真的能夠使用得到嗎而如今現在的子女少子女化每年出生率下降13萬餘人我們一直不斷的大量擴大擴建公立幼兒園非立幼兒園我起初是認同的\n\n19\n00:06:35,825 --> 00:06:54,691\n我是覺得公托公幼要備正但我覺得花費巨額而且耗時真的很長我們是不是應該把這些巨額的預算趕緊來做另類的跟我們民間來合作所以當時我在開出的政見我們當然是希望公幼全部免費但是呢\n\n20\n00:06:55,211 --> 00:07:19,194\n施幼能夠再加碼加碼再加碼我知道你們已經有加碼但是我希望施幼補助能夠到一萬元的這個部分作為一個目標我們更希望說普及公幼的兩歲專班我必須講這份報告是委員所知道的就是我們對於施幼跟準公幼也納入夥伴關係這方面的補貼我們是不太目前是五千塊的對對對對\n\n21\n00:07:20,735 --> 00:07:44,253\n委員的意思就是以其加速建置公共化幼兒園不如縮短時程來這個講述相關優良的幼兒園就是跟民間我們已經有合作了嘛但是我就說投入的這個金錢我們看到不符成本然後再來就是現在又面對的是大量減少的出生率如果這些園所未來我們不需要用到或者是\n\n22\n00:07:45,094 --> 00:07:45,474\n普及兩歲專班（\n\n23\n00:08:06,745 --> 00:08:17,353\n您知道我們在地方說抽公托公幼像在抽樂透那我可以說兩歲專班像是在抽不是大樂透是微利財兩歲專班如委員所認知的兩歲專班我們還很努力目前是全國有900多班我們覺得還不夠\n\n24\n00:08:25,299 --> 00:08:45,433\n我還想要再跟您討論其實我在當議員就在講兩歲專班還遇到一個問題就是因為他的兩歲專班的名額不夠我們許多孩子在所謂的公托托嬰中心那當然是衛福部的一個主管機關他一滿三歲馬上被趕出去兩歲專班又不夠\n\n25\n00:08:46,670 --> 00:09:12,072\n一滿三歲真的不誇張他是跟他講我們不能再收了已經延到三歲了一滿三歲請你離開托嬰中心好啊那這個時機點找不到銜接的兩歲專班或者是幼兒園他有中間的一個空窗期對啊空窗期我們都不處理然後我覺得衛福部我想要這次次長我要特別拜託你你是會做事的人而且有跟你接觸後我發現你是講時事的\n\n26\n00:09:13,733 --> 00:09:27,343\n這個空窗期我們可不可以跟衛福部來做跨部會的一個討論因為有的只差幾個月真的幾個月比如說我三歲剛滿我可能是五月我七八月才可以入選\n\n27\n00:09:28,624 --> 00:09:45,636\n那這個三個月中間你說要找一個臨時的保母有這麼好找嗎?保母每個都有空額嗎?再來有適合的保母嗎?然後要換新的環境家長會不會擔憂?這次三個月要換我為什麼還要中間空一個臨時的保母?\n\n28\n00:09:46,156 --> 00:10:08,644\n為什麼不能直接讓我能夠進入到幼兒園幼兒園也說啊還沒有時間到我不能現在超收啊沒有等那個孩子上去啊所以這部分空窗期您能不能覺得處理一下委員所理解的我來描述一下如果說他到5月就滿了3歲離開那個托育中心他3歲滿了他5月還沒我們還沒有讓他進到幼兒園這兩個月的空窗期對\n\n29\n00:10:15,734 --> 00:10:43,814\n我們來想看看有沒有辦法在這方面的轉型機制我是講5月有的3月就滿了對不對你要給他適應一個臨時的保姆再適應第二次真正的幼兒園這些空窗期我們在地方遇到超級多的案例民眾都在抱怨我們該怎麼跟衛福部好好協商衛福部可不可以滿3月的那一個學期\n\n30\n00:10:44,815 --> 00:11:10,708\n而不是滿3月我覺得滿3月的那個學期跟滿3月委員所提示的我們跨部會來研議研議的結果我們初步報告再跟委員回報您答應我要給我回應的喔我這個當議員就一直在講了但是地方社會局就推給衛福部嘛但是我今天再叫教育文化委員會我希望教育局兩歲專班你已經沒辦法成立這麼大的量能你要跨部會來做溝通協調好不好\n\n31\n00:11:11,608 --> 00:11:34,896\n那這個部分您可以給我回應嗎?好,如果委員召集我們兩部會來做一個演商,我們會很願意來加入。好,最後我要再幫那個教保人員說話,我們現在這裡面提到的只有基本起薪將提高2000元,我認為教保人員現在就在真的朝暮不易,那我們又在一直在推私生比1比12,又要改為115學年才達成,我覺得\n\n32\n00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:59,752\n這樣子不能夠納為這一本的政績裡面來跟我們說因為你就是還要再等待這些時間對我們來說沒辦法立即享受我覺得還有一段時間那再來就是幼保園真的經營辛苦不易幼稚園的成本也一定會增加找人又不易我覺得我們只是給予這個三年的定額獎勵金真的夠嗎我們是不是有更多的配套來協助這些幼兒園讓他們的環境更好讓他們要\n\n33\n00:12:01,753 --> 00:12:01,773\n謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n14119\t14500\t主席 次長\n21901\t46124\t委員長市長很高興今天在這邊遇到你當然啦我覺得我們還是希望有機會是不是我不喜歡你啦你知道我們對你也非常予以期待當然還是希望有機會部長能夠親自來做一個備詢委員他今天去勘災國立管所幾個管所是勘災的問題是嗎是是是OK OK要不然我下一句就要講不然下次你來當部長不敢不敢\n46824\t69816\t最主要我要跟大家講我想說我們之前我要延續前一個委員葛委員說的我們都很關注這個學習歷程的一個問題待會就要討論到幼兒園那我想很多的同學一直在跟我們抱怨甚至希望我們一定要在這邊發聲這個學習歷程已經變成了多元學習那個元是一元兩元的元是那個一塊錢兩塊錢的那個元真的對他們來說\n73278\t87727\t實在是要額外花費許多的金錢去學習到這個學習歷程我想對於有一些不管是資訊差或者是偏鄉或者是有一些孩子他比如說我遇過金門的孩子他要為了這個學習歷程\n89688\t114545\t他要來到本島那來做這個學習歷程的一個充實這些都會影響到他的一些生活開銷花費或是家庭的支出我想我們如果要推這個我想利益良善但是整個配套並沒有做好所以本席覺得在這樣子的情況之下學習歷程是不被接受的較多我們必須把這些狀況來好好的跟教育部來做一個同保教育部應該要\n115746\t136164\t正是這個問題讓孩子的多元學習不是讓他們增加多的支出甚至是更多更多的時間要培養這個學習歷程我們台灣的升學壓力已經非常非常的痛苦現在又多了一個看似要給他們一個機會但是呢又是跟爭與更多的一個壓力我想這個部分\n137225\t159082\t教育部應該要真的好好想想學習歷程到底這樣推出到底是利國利民還是誤名?謝謝委員關心我們高中的孩子生徒大學所必經的之路學習歷程來自於多元入學管道的其中的一個精神就讓孩子多元學習之後呈現一個表現的一個證明履歷\n160723\t187498\t那這個經歷勢必有一些偏鄉孩子會比較辛苦渡海來台取得相關的認證等等等所以學習歷程檔案的呈現的優化或者簡化這方面我們是要努力或者是配套或者是教育部或教育局地方的教育局有沒有給予一些資源讓這個學習歷程不要有這麼大的壓力或者是不要有這麼大的金錢上的壓力讓他們能夠來參與我覺得這個部分的配套應該要做好是 這個我們要注意\n189079\t190360\t公幼 私幼 准公幼 如果你是家長你會選擇哪一個進變性評價的費用回答到了\n204628\t220767\t第一題的答案我覺得有兩個答案第一個答案就是你說的便宜、近第二個我覺得是有些家長覺得花錢不手軟只要能夠給孩子最好的他都要像我的太太她對於這個教育的品質她是非常非常的龜毛\n221127\t249788\t那他覺得這個部分他願意去投資孩子的教育所以這是兩種答案但是這一份報告我要跟您報告的齁這個裡面的所有內容都提及的都是我們擴大公共化所有的一個進度我們在開設公立幼兒園、非營利幼兒園以及教保服務中心、職場服務中心的班數跟招生人數這些東西都在講述這些增加的班級數招收的人員但是呢\n250709\t269796\t這些每一個班級跟每一個公立幼兒園他不用花費巨額嗎?您有探討這個問題嗎?我想僅對於國小內利用空餘的教室來改造增加公立幼兒園或者是班級數花費的金額您知道每一個班級數平均大概多少錢嗎?您大概知道嗎?如果以當然建制成本在內對\n277421\t278302\t3500萬除以100可能要將近35萬一個班級35萬只有35嗎\n288798\t311964\t總成本不止35萬應該連一個教室的裝潢都不夠我是數百萬我跟您特別報告一個園至少要3500萬在台中市的南區國光國小找到了好不容易一個他們以前在做回收室然後把它變成了一個公立的幼兒園場所上個禮拜的幼兒園有特別關心\n314785\t321854\t只有一班我非常開心終於爭取到然後我很開心問他這樣子招收名額多少他說12位\n324466\t350053\t那是兩歲班嗎?應該是兩歲班那他還有三到五歲的可是他只有一班而已因為他只有一格教室教室只有一格一格教室 空間教室所以我看到在設立的過程當中我們的量能是不夠的而且我們在設立的過程我們花費的是巨額在設立公立幼兒園或者是公托或者是兩歲專班但是我覺得啊\n350433\t378069\t如果像我們如果花費一個比如說公立幼兒園整個幼兒園園所的成立設立完以後我覺得大概要一億左右那如果我們的這一個每一個花費的費用都這麼巨額難道我們都沒有想像過我們要怎麼快很準讓這些家長可以馬上的享受這些福利比如說如果你蓋了要三四年我的孩子基本上兩歲專班已經錯過了\n380370\t395184\t那我們真的能夠使用得到嗎而如今現在的子女少子女化每年出生率下降13萬餘人我們一直不斷的大量擴大擴建公立幼兒園非立幼兒園我起初是認同的\n395825\t414691\t我是覺得公托公幼要備正但我覺得花費巨額而且耗時真的很長我們是不是應該把這些巨額的預算趕緊來做另類的跟我們民間來合作所以當時我在開出的政見我們當然是希望公幼全部免費但是呢\n415211\t439194\t施幼能夠再加碼加碼再加碼我知道你們已經有加碼但是我希望施幼補助能夠到一萬元的這個部分作為一個目標我們更希望說普及公幼的兩歲專班我必須講這份報告是委員所知道的就是我們對於施幼跟準公幼也納入夥伴關係這方面的補貼我們是不太目前是五千塊的對對對對\n440735\t464253\t委員的意思就是以其加速建置公共化幼兒園不如縮短時程來這個講述相關優良的幼兒園就是跟民間我們已經有合作了嘛但是我就說投入的這個金錢我們看到不符成本然後再來就是現在又面對的是大量減少的出生率如果這些園所未來我們不需要用到或者是\n465094\t465474\t普及兩歲專班（\n486745\t497353\t您知道我們在地方說抽公托公幼像在抽樂透那我可以說兩歲專班像是在抽不是大樂透是微利財兩歲專班如委員所認知的兩歲專班我們還很努力目前是全國有900多班我們覺得還不夠\n505299\t525433\t我還想要再跟您討論其實我在當議員就在講兩歲專班還遇到一個問題就是因為他的兩歲專班的名額不夠我們許多孩子在所謂的公托托嬰中心那當然是衛福部的一個主管機關他一滿三歲馬上被趕出去兩歲專班又不夠\n526670\t552072\t一滿三歲真的不誇張他是跟他講我們不能再收了已經延到三歲了一滿三歲請你離開托嬰中心好啊那這個時機點找不到銜接的兩歲專班或者是幼兒園他有中間的一個空窗期對啊空窗期我們都不處理然後我覺得衛福部我想要這次次長我要特別拜託你你是會做事的人而且有跟你接觸後我發現你是講時事的\n553733\t567343\t這個空窗期我們可不可以跟衛福部來做跨部會的一個討論因為有的只差幾個月真的幾個月比如說我三歲剛滿我可能是五月我七八月才可以入選\n568624\t585636\t那這個三個月中間你說要找一個臨時的保母有這麼好找嗎?保母每個都有空額嗎?再來有適合的保母嗎?然後要換新的環境家長會不會擔憂?這次三個月要換我為什麼還要中間空一個臨時的保母?\n586156\t608644\t為什麼不能直接讓我能夠進入到幼兒園幼兒園也說啊還沒有時間到我不能現在超收啊沒有等那個孩子上去啊所以這部分空窗期您能不能覺得處理一下委員所理解的我來描述一下如果說他到5月就滿了3歲離開那個托育中心他3歲滿了他5月還沒我們還沒有讓他進到幼兒園這兩個月的空窗期對\n615734\t643814\t我們來想看看有沒有辦法在這方面的轉型機制我是講5月有的3月就滿了對不對你要給他適應一個臨時的保姆再適應第二次真正的幼兒園這些空窗期我們在地方遇到超級多的案例民眾都在抱怨我們該怎麼跟衛福部好好協商衛福部可不可以滿3月的那一個學期\n644815\t670708\t而不是滿3月我覺得滿3月的那個學期跟滿3月委員所提示的我們跨部會來研議研議的結果我們初步報告再跟委員回報您答應我要給我回應的喔我這個當議員就一直在講了但是地方社會局就推給衛福部嘛但是我今天再叫教育文化委員會我希望教育局兩歲專班你已經沒辦法成立這麼大的量能你要跨部會來做溝通協調好不好\n671608\t694896\t那這個部分您可以給我回應嗎?好,如果委員召集我們兩部會來做一個演商,我們會很願意來加入。好,最後我要再幫那個教保人員說話,我們現在這裡面提到的只有基本起薪將提高2000元,我認為教保人員現在就在真的朝暮不易,那我們又在一直在推私生比1比12,又要改為115學年才達成,我覺得\n697197\t719752\t這樣子不能夠納為這一本的政績裡面來跟我們說因為你就是還要再等待這些時間對我們來說沒辦法立即享受我覺得還有一段時間那再來就是幼保園真的經營辛苦不易幼稚園的成本也一定會增加找人又不易我覺得我們只是給予這個三年的定額獎勵金真的夠嗎我們是不是有更多的配套來協助這些幼兒園讓他們的環境更好讓他們要\n721753\t721773\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席 次長\n委員長市長很高興今天在這邊遇到你當然啦我覺得我們還是希望有機會是不是我不喜歡你啦你知道我們對你也非常予以期待當然還是希望有機會部長能夠親自來做一個備詢委員他今天去勘災國立管所幾個管所是勘災的問題是嗎是是是OK OK要不然我下一句就要講不然下次你來當部長不敢不敢\n最主要我要跟大家講我想說我們之前我要延續前一個委員葛委員說的我們都很關注這個學習歷程的一個問題待會就要討論到幼兒園那我想很多的同學一直在跟我們抱怨甚至希望我們一定要在這邊發聲這個學習歷程已經變成了多元學習那個元是一元兩元的元是那個一塊錢兩塊錢的那個元真的對他們來說\n實在是要額外花費許多的金錢去學習到這個學習歷程我想對於有一些不管是資訊差或者是偏鄉或者是有一些孩子他比如說我遇過金門的孩子他要為了這個學習歷程\n他要來到本島那來做這個學習歷程的一個充實這些都會影響到他的一些生活開銷花費或是家庭的支出我想我們如果要推這個我想利益良善但是整個配套並沒有做好所以本席覺得在這樣子的情況之下學習歷程是不被接受的較多我們必須把這些狀況來好好的跟教育部來做一個同保教育部應該要\n正是這個問題讓孩子的多元學習不是讓他們增加多的支出甚至是更多更多的時間要培養這個學習歷程我們台灣的升學壓力已經非常非常的痛苦現在又多了一個看似要給他們一個機會但是呢又是跟爭與更多的一個壓力我想這個部分\n教育部應該要真的好好想想學習歷程到底這樣推出到底是利國利民還是誤名?謝謝委員關心我們高中的孩子生徒大學所必經的之路學習歷程來自於多元入學管道的其中的一個精神就讓孩子多元學習之後呈現一個表現的一個證明履歷\n那這個經歷勢必有一些偏鄉孩子會比較辛苦渡海來台取得相關的認證等等等所以學習歷程檔案的呈現的優化或者簡化這方面我們是要努力或者是配套或者是教育部或教育局地方的教育局有沒有給予一些資源讓這個學習歷程不要有這麼大的壓力或者是不要有這麼大的金錢上的壓力讓他們能夠來參與我覺得這個部分的配套應該要做好是 這個我們要注意\n公幼 私幼 准公幼 如果你是家長你會選擇哪一個進變性評價的費用回答到了\n第一題的答案我覺得有兩個答案第一個答案就是你說的便宜、近第二個我覺得是有些家長覺得花錢不手軟只要能夠給孩子最好的他都要像我的太太她對於這個教育的品質她是非常非常的龜毛\n那他覺得這個部分他願意去投資孩子的教育所以這是兩種答案但是這一份報告我要跟您報告的齁這個裡面的所有內容都提及的都是我們擴大公共化所有的一個進度我們在開設公立幼兒園、非營利幼兒園以及教保服務中心、職場服務中心的班數跟招生人數這些東西都在講述這些增加的班級數招收的人員但是呢\n這些每一個班級跟每一個公立幼兒園他不用花費巨額嗎?您有探討這個問題嗎?我想僅對於國小內利用空餘的教室來改造增加公立幼兒園或者是班級數花費的金額您知道每一個班級數平均大概多少錢嗎?您大概知道嗎?如果以當然建制成本在內對\n3500萬除以100可能要將近35萬一個班級35萬只有35嗎\n總成本不止35萬應該連一個教室的裝潢都不夠我是數百萬我跟您特別報告一個園至少要3500萬在台中市的南區國光國小找到了好不容易一個他們以前在做回收室然後把它變成了一個公立的幼兒園場所上個禮拜的幼兒園有特別關心\n只有一班我非常開心終於爭取到然後我很開心問他這樣子招收名額多少他說12位\n那是兩歲班嗎?應該是兩歲班那他還有三到五歲的可是他只有一班而已因為他只有一格教室教室只有一格一格教室 空間教室所以我看到在設立的過程當中我們的量能是不夠的而且我們在設立的過程我們花費的是巨額在設立公立幼兒園或者是公托或者是兩歲專班但是我覺得啊\n如果像我們如果花費一個比如說公立幼兒園整個幼兒園園所的成立設立完以後我覺得大概要一億左右那如果我們的這一個每一個花費的費用都這麼巨額難道我們都沒有想像過我們要怎麼快很準讓這些家長可以馬上的享受這些福利比如說如果你蓋了要三四年我的孩子基本上兩歲專班已經錯過了\n那我們真的能夠使用得到嗎而如今現在的子女少子女化每年出生率下降13萬餘人我們一直不斷的大量擴大擴建公立幼兒園非立幼兒園我起初是認同的\n我是覺得公托公幼要備正但我覺得花費巨額而且耗時真的很長我們是不是應該把這些巨額的預算趕緊來做另類的跟我們民間來合作所以當時我在開出的政見我們當然是希望公幼全部免費但是呢\n施幼能夠再加碼加碼再加碼我知道你們已經有加碼但是我希望施幼補助能夠到一萬元的這個部分作為一個目標我們更希望說普及公幼的兩歲專班我必須講這份報告是委員所知道的就是我們對於施幼跟準公幼也納入夥伴關係這方面的補貼我們是不太目前是五千塊的對對對對\n委員的意思就是以其加速建置公共化幼兒園不如縮短時程來這個講述相關優良的幼兒園就是跟民間我們已經有合作了嘛但是我就說投入的這個金錢我們看到不符成本然後再來就是現在又面對的是大量減少的出生率如果這些園所未來我們不需要用到或者是\n普及兩歲專班（\n您知道我們在地方說抽公托公幼像在抽樂透那我可以說兩歲專班像是在抽不是大樂透是微利財兩歲專班如委員所認知的兩歲專班我們還很努力目前是全國有900多班我們覺得還不夠\n我還想要再跟您討論其實我在當議員就在講兩歲專班還遇到一個問題就是因為他的兩歲專班的名額不夠我們許多孩子在所謂的公托托嬰中心那當然是衛福部的一個主管機關他一滿三歲馬上被趕出去兩歲專班又不夠\n一滿三歲真的不誇張他是跟他講我們不能再收了已經延到三歲了一滿三歲請你離開托嬰中心好啊那這個時機點找不到銜接的兩歲專班或者是幼兒園他有中間的一個空窗期對啊空窗期我們都不處理然後我覺得衛福部我想要這次次長我要特別拜託你你是會做事的人而且有跟你接觸後我發現你是講時事的\n這個空窗期我們可不可以跟衛福部來做跨部會的一個討論因為有的只差幾個月真的幾個月比如說我三歲剛滿我可能是五月我七八月才可以入選\n那這個三個月中間你說要找一個臨時的保母有這麼好找嗎?保母每個都有空額嗎?再來有適合的保母嗎?然後要換新的環境家長會不會擔憂?這次三個月要換我為什麼還要中間空一個臨時的保母?\n為什麼不能直接讓我能夠進入到幼兒園幼兒園也說啊還沒有時間到我不能現在超收啊沒有等那個孩子上去啊所以這部分空窗期您能不能覺得處理一下委員所理解的我來描述一下如果說他到5月就滿了3歲離開那個托育中心他3歲滿了他5月還沒我們還沒有讓他進到幼兒園這兩個月的空窗期對\n我們來想看看有沒有辦法在這方面的轉型機制我是講5月有的3月就滿了對不對你要給他適應一個臨時的保姆再適應第二次真正的幼兒園這些空窗期我們在地方遇到超級多的案例民眾都在抱怨我們該怎麼跟衛福部好好協商衛福部可不可以滿3月的那一個學期\n而不是滿3月我覺得滿3月的那個學期跟滿3月委員所提示的我們跨部會來研議研議的結果我們初步報告再跟委員回報您答應我要給我回應的喔我這個當議員就一直在講了但是地方社會局就推給衛福部嘛但是我今天再叫教育文化委員會我希望教育局兩歲專班你已經沒辦法成立這麼大的量能你要跨部會來做溝通協調好不好\n那這個部分您可以給我回應嗎?好,如果委員召集我們兩部會來做一個演商,我們會很願意來加入。好,最後我要再幫那個教保人員說話,我們現在這裡面提到的只有基本起薪將提高2000元,我認為教保人員現在就在真的朝暮不易,那我們又在一直在推私生比1比12,又要改為115學年才達成,我覺得\n這樣子不能夠納為這一本的政績裡面來跟我們說因為你就是還要再等待這些時間對我們來說沒辦法立即享受我覺得還有一段時間那再來就是幼保園真的經營辛苦不易幼稚園的成本也一定會增加找人又不易我覺得我們只是給予這個三年的定額獎勵金真的夠嗎我們是不是有更多的配套來協助這些幼兒園讓他們的環境更好讓他們要\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.119 --> 00:14.500\n主席次長\n\n00:21.901 --> 00:46.124\n委員長市長很高興今天在這邊遇到你當然啦我覺得我們還是希望有機會是不是我不喜歡你啦你知道我們對你也非常予以期待當然還是希望有機會部長能夠親自來做一個備詢委員他今天去勘災國立管所幾個管所是勘災的問題是嗎是是是OKOK要不然我下一句就要講不然下次你來當部長不敢不敢\n\n00:46.824 --> 01:09.816\n最主要我要跟大家講我想說我們之前我要延續前一個委員葛委員說的我們都很關注這個學習歷程的一個問題待會就要討論到幼兒園那我想很多的同學一直在跟我們抱怨甚至希望我們一定要在這邊發聲這個學習歷程已經變成了多元學習那個元是一元兩元的元是那個一塊錢兩塊錢的那個元真的對他們來說\n\n01:13.278 --> 01:27.727\n實在是要額外花費許多的金錢去學習到這個學習歷程我想對於有一些不管是資訊差或者是偏鄉或者是有一些孩子他比如說我遇過金門的孩子他要為了這個學習歷程\n\n01:29.688 --> 01:54.545\n他要來到本島那來做這個學習歷程的一個充實這些都會影響到他的一些生活開銷花費或是家庭的支出我想我們如果要推這個我想利益良善但是整個配套並沒有做好所以本席覺得在這樣子的情況之下學習歷程是不被接受的較多我們必須把這些狀況來好好的跟教育部來做一個同保教育部應該要\n\n01:55.746 --> 02:16.164\n正是這個問題讓孩子的多元學習不是讓他們增加多的支出甚至是更多更多的時間要培養這個學習歷程我們台灣的升學壓力已經非常非常的痛苦現在又多了一個看似要給他們一個機會但是呢又是跟爭與更多的一個壓力我想這個部分\n\n02:17.225 --> 02:39.082\n教育部應該要真的好好想想學習歷程到底這樣推出到底是利國利民還是誤名?謝謝委員關心我們高中的孩子生徒大學所必經的之路學習歷程來自於多元入學管道的其中的一個精神就讓孩子多元學習之後呈現一個表現的一個證明履歷\n\n02:40.723 --> 03:07.498\n那這個經歷勢必有一些偏鄉孩子會比較辛苦渡海來台取得相關的認證等等等所以學習歷程檔案的呈現的優化或者簡化這方面我們是要努力或者是配套或者是教育部或教育局地方的教育局有沒有給予一些資源讓這個學習歷程不要有這麼大的壓力或者是不要有這麼大的金錢上的壓力讓他們能夠來參與我覺得這個部分的配套應該要做好是這個我們要注意\n\n03:09.079 --> 03:10.360\n公幼私幼准公幼如果你是家長你會選擇哪一個進變性評價的費用回答到了\n\n03:24.628 --> 03:40.767\n第一題的答案我覺得有兩個答案第一個答案就是你說的便宜、近第二個我覺得是有些家長覺得花錢不手軟只要能夠給孩子最好的他都要像我的太太她對於這個教育的品質她是非常非常的龜毛\n\n03:41.127 --> 04:09.788\n那他覺得這個部分他願意去投資孩子的教育所以這是兩種答案但是這一份報告我要跟您報告的齁這個裡面的所有內容都提及的都是我們擴大公共化所有的一個進度我們在開設公立幼兒園、非營利幼兒園以及教保服務中心、職場服務中心的班數跟招生人數這些東西都在講述這些增加的班級數招收的人員但是呢\n\n04:10.709 --> 04:29.796\n這些每一個班級跟每一個公立幼兒園他不用花費巨額嗎?您有探討這個問題嗎?我想僅對於國小內利用空餘的教室來改造增加公立幼兒園或者是班級數花費的金額您知道每一個班級數平均大概多少錢嗎?您大概知道嗎?如果以當然建制成本在內對\n\n04:37.421 --> 04:38.302\n3500萬除以100可能要將近35萬一個班級35萬只有35嗎\n\n04:48.798 --> 05:11.964\n總成本不止35萬應該連一個教室的裝潢都不夠我是數百萬我跟您特別報告一個園至少要3500萬在台中市的南區國光國小找到了好不容易一個他們以前在做回收室然後把它變成了一個公立的幼兒園場所上個禮拜的幼兒園有特別關心\n\n05:14.785 --> 05:21.854\n只有一班我非常開心終於爭取到然後我很開心問他這樣子招收名額多少他說12位\n\n05:24.466 --> 05:50.053\n那是兩歲班嗎?應該是兩歲班那他還有三到五歲的可是他只有一班而已因為他只有一格教室教室只有一格一格教室空間教室所以我看到在設立的過程當中我們的量能是不夠的而且我們在設立的過程我們花費的是巨額在設立公立幼兒園或者是公托或者是兩歲專班但是我覺得啊\n\n05:50.433 --> 06:18.069\n如果像我們如果花費一個比如說公立幼兒園整個幼兒園園所的成立設立完以後我覺得大概要一億左右那如果我們的這一個每一個花費的費用都這麼巨額難道我們都沒有想像過我們要怎麼快很準讓這些家長可以馬上的享受這些福利比如說如果你蓋了要三四年我的孩子基本上兩歲專班已經錯過了\n\n06:20.370 --> 06:35.184\n那我們真的能夠使用得到嗎而如今現在的子女少子女化每年出生率下降13萬餘人我們一直不斷的大量擴大擴建公立幼兒園非立幼兒園我起初是認同的\n\n06:35.825 --> 06:54.691\n我是覺得公托公幼要備正但我覺得花費巨額而且耗時真的很長我們是不是應該把這些巨額的預算趕緊來做另類的跟我們民間來合作所以當時我在開出的政見我們當然是希望公幼全部免費但是呢\n\n06:55.211 --> 07:19.194\n施幼能夠再加碼加碼再加碼我知道你們已經有加碼但是我希望施幼補助能夠到一萬元的這個部分作為一個目標我們更希望說普及公幼的兩歲專班我必須講這份報告是委員所知道的就是我們對於施幼跟準公幼也納入夥伴關係這方面的補貼我們是不太目前是五千塊的對對對對\n\n07:20.735 --> 07:44.253\n委員的意思就是以其加速建置公共化幼兒園不如縮短時程來這個講述相關優良的幼兒園就是跟民間我們已經有合作了嘛但是我就說投入的這個金錢我們看到不符成本然後再來就是現在又面對的是大量減少的出生率如果這些園所未來我們不需要用到或者是\n\n07:45.094 --> 07:45.474\n普及兩歲專班（\n\n08:06.745 --> 08:17.353\n您知道我們在地方說抽公托公幼像在抽樂透那我可以說兩歲專班像是在抽不是大樂透是微利財兩歲專班如委員所認知的兩歲專班我們還很努力目前是全國有900多班我們覺得還不夠\n\n08:25.299 --> 08:45.433\n我還想要再跟您討論其實我在當議員就在講兩歲專班還遇到一個問題就是因為他的兩歲專班的名額不夠我們許多孩子在所謂的公托托嬰中心那當然是衛福部的一個主管機關他一滿三歲馬上被趕出去兩歲專班又不夠\n\n08:46.670 --> 09:12.072\n一滿三歲真的不誇張他是跟他講我們不能再收了已經延到三歲了一滿三歲請你離開托嬰中心好啊那這個時機點找不到銜接的兩歲專班或者是幼兒園他有中間的一個空窗期對啊空窗期我們都不處理然後我覺得衛福部我想要這次次長我要特別拜託你你是會做事的人而且有跟你接觸後我發現你是講時事的\n\n09:13.733 --> 09:27.343\n這個空窗期我們可不可以跟衛福部來做跨部會的一個討論因為有的只差幾個月真的幾個月比如說我三歲剛滿我可能是五月我七八月才可以入選\n\n09:28.624 --> 09:45.636\n那這個三個月中間你說要找一個臨時的保母有這麼好找嗎?保母每個都有空額嗎?再來有適合的保母嗎?然後要換新的環境家長會不會擔憂?這次三個月要換我為什麼還要中間空一個臨時的保母?\n\n09:46.156 --> 10:08.644\n為什麼不能直接讓我能夠進入到幼兒園幼兒園也說啊還沒有時間到我不能現在超收啊沒有等那個孩子上去啊所以這部分空窗期您能不能覺得處理一下委員所理解的我來描述一下如果說他到5月就滿了3歲離開那個托育中心他3歲滿了他5月還沒我們還沒有讓他進到幼兒園這兩個月的空窗期對\n\n10:15.734 --> 10:43.814\n我們來想看看有沒有辦法在這方面的轉型機制我是講5月有的3月就滿了對不對你要給他適應一個臨時的保姆再適應第二次真正的幼兒園這些空窗期我們在地方遇到超級多的案例民眾都在抱怨我們該怎麼跟衛福部好好協商衛福部可不可以滿3月的那一個學期\n\n10:44.815 --> 11:10.708\n而不是滿3月我覺得滿3月的那個學期跟滿3月委員所提示的我們跨部會來研議研議的結果我們初步報告再跟委員回報您答應我要給我回應的喔我這個當議員就一直在講了但是地方社會局就推給衛福部嘛但是我今天再叫教育文化委員會我希望教育局兩歲專班你已經沒辦法成立這麼大的量能你要跨部會來做溝通協調好不好\n\n11:11.608 --> 11:34.896\n那這個部分您可以給我回應嗎?好,如果委員召集我們兩部會來做一個演商,我們會很願意來加入。好,最後我要再幫那個教保人員說話,我們現在這裡面提到的只有基本起薪將提高2000元,我認為教保人員現在就在真的朝暮不易,那我們又在一直在推私生比1比12,又要改為115學年才達成,我覺得\n\n11:37.197 --> 11:59.752\n這樣子不能夠納為這一本的政績裡面來跟我們說因為你就是還要再等待這些時間對我們來說沒辦法立即享受我覺得還有一段時間那再來就是幼保園真的經營辛苦不易幼稚園的成本也一定會增加找人又不易我覺得我們只是給予這個三年的定額獎勵金真的夠嗎我們是不是有更多的配套來協助這些幼兒園讓他們的環境更好讓他們要\n\n12:01.753 --> 12:01.773\n謝謝委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":14.119,"end":14.5,"text":"主席 次長"},{"start":21.901,"end":46.124,"text":"委員長市長很高興今天在這邊遇到你當然啦我覺得我們還是希望有機會是不是我不喜歡你啦你知道我們對你也非常予以期待當然還是希望有機會部長能夠親自來做一個備詢委員他今天去勘災國立管所幾個管所是勘災的問題是嗎是是是OK 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