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00:01:35,160\n草案：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及\n\n7\n00:01:51,484 --> 00:02:09,715\n草案：一、審查),︎一、審查),︎一方面我也想請教就是說這個我們健保署去年有給付一個這個國外藥家要破千萬的這個T細胞的治療在去年的時候那當然就是說這個應該是很特殊的一個案例\n\n8\n00:02:10,935 --> 00:02:26,975\n醫療法草案案件事宜,在臺灣純熟之後,我是覺得說一方面也扶植我們臺灣的一個產業,其實臺灣的醫療在這個全世界其實大家都非常肯定的。\n\n9\n00:02:28,217 --> 00:02:28,938\n醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n10\n00:02:50,595 --> 00:02:54,997\n草案：一、審查proporto一、審查ympto一、審查Victo一、審查Victo一、\n\n11\n00:03:15,789 --> 00:03:17,810\n醫療法草案案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n12\n00:03:39,139 --> 00:03:53,197\n當然再生醫療的運用範圍目前是還相當有限不過對於未來它的運用這種技術的運用的話其實是有大家都很高的一些期待\n\n13\n00:03:54,579 --> 00:04:08,421\n以目前來講的話剛剛委員所提到卡提的治療他是從病人身上先取得他的細胞然後還要送到國外去自備然後再回到國內來使用於病人身上\n\n14\n00:04:13,582 --> 00:04:31,152\n國內目前針對卡T的這一個類似的這一個部分的話也在進行人體試驗當中所以如果國內的醫療機構這個人體試驗是能夠成功的那當然就是可以在國內就把這個整個程序都做完\n\n15\n00:04:31,932 --> 00:04:55,209\n那這樣子的就有機會他的價格會下來。是。其實我們也希望就是說一方面應該也是加惠所有的患者因為很多如果罹癌的患者他們當然希望能夠有一線升級可是這個價格真的都非常的昂貴。對。健保有給付的部分也很沉重。\n\n16\n00:04:55,709 --> 00:04:57,030\n發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n17\n00:05:17,045 --> 00:05:23,568\n草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n18\n00:05:37,534 --> 00:06:01,941\n藥物可以大量製造。如果能夠大量製造,它的成本當然就會下降。它要能夠大量製造,一定要能夠液體的細胞是可以用的。所以剛剛陳戰書委員在問,好像他對於液體認為說我們還是要謹慎去評估。我認為如果沒有開放液體的話,那就不用多談了,因為只有自體的話,它的規模一定做不大。\n\n19\n00:06:04,523 --> 00:06:18,552\n接下來部長我想請教就是說我們在每一年大約有500位的兒童癌症病童那這個500位的癌症病童其中差不多有150位左右\n\n20\n00:06:18,992 --> 00:06:20,153\n發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事\n\n21\n00:06:47,071 --> 00:06:56,274\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n22\n00:07:02,996 --> 00:07:22,367\n植物治療是針對的一些實體癌,所以不是血癌那一類的實體的癌,那難以用其他的方式去治療的。那其中大概就是小孩子這種神經系統的癌症的話,那是一個比較好的一個方式。那它的特點就是它能夠\n\n23\n00:07:23,368 --> 00:07:32,736\n草案案件事務委員委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競\n\n24\n00:07:49,489 --> 00:08:09,656\n其實我是認為就是說如果每一年大約500位的這個各種類的這個癌症病童那其中如果有150位他是適合做子子治療的話每一位的這個病童可能也許需要花費差不多將近100萬那如果是這樣子的話其實對整個健保的給付其實負擔不是那麼大\n\n25\n00:08:10,476 --> 00:08:18,726\n草案案件事務委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧\n\n26\n00:08:29,119 --> 00:08:49,356\n那我希望就是說衛福部那健保署這邊應該去考慮應該是去討論去檢討那是不是真的對我們這些癌症病童是有幫助那其實對健保的這個負擔不是很大之下那是不是可以把這個支持治療針對這個癌症病童的部分可以用健保來給付\n\n27\n00:08:50,471 --> 00:09:13,139\n當然是科學上應該是能夠證實是一個有效的治療。這是前提。我們不希望說這個就被爛掉。那如果有效的這種治療受到證明的時候,那健保這邊就會去把這個可以治療的這個部分的話,那要怎麼樣去給付做一個研議。\n\n28\n00:09:15,120 --> 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proporto一、審查ympto一、審查Victo一、審查Victo一、\n195789\t197810\t醫療法草案案案件事件事件事件事件事\n219139\t233197\t當然再生醫療的運用範圍目前是還相當有限不過對於未來它的運用這種技術的運用的話其實是有大家都很高的一些期待\n234579\t248421\t以目前來講的話剛剛委員所提到卡提的治療他是從病人身上先取得他的細胞然後還要送到國外去自備然後再回到國內來使用於病人身上\n253582\t271152\t國內目前針對卡T的這一個類似的這一個部分的話也在進行人體試驗當中所以如果國內的醫療機構這個人體試驗是能夠成功的那當然就是可以在國內就把這個整個程序都做完\n271932\t295209\t那這樣子的就有機會他的價格會下來。是。其實我們也希望就是說一方面應該也是加惠所有的患者因為很多如果罹癌的患者他們當然希望能夠有一線升級可是這個價格真的都非常的昂貴。對。健保有給付的部分也很沉重。\n295709\t297030\t發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n317045\t323568\t草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n337534\t361941\t藥物可以大量製造。如果能夠大量製造,它的成本當然就會下降。它要能夠大量製造,一定要能夠液體的細胞是可以用的。所以剛剛陳戰書委員在問,好像他對於液體認為說我們還是要謹慎去評估。我認為如果沒有開放液體的話,那就不用多談了,因為只有自體的話,它的規模一定做不大。\n364523\t378552\t接下來部長我想請教就是說我們在每一年大約有500位的兒童癌症病童那這個500位的癌症病童其中差不多有150位左右\n378992\t380153\t發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事\n407071\t416274\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n422996\t442367\t植物治療是針對的一些實體癌,所以不是血癌那一類的實體的癌,那難以用其他的方式去治療的。那其中大概就是小孩子這種神經系統的癌症的話,那是一個比較好的一個方式。那它的特點就是它能夠\n443368\t452736\t草案案件事務委員委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競\n469489\t489656\t其實我是認為就是說如果每一年大約500位的這個各種類的這個癌症病童那其中如果有150位他是適合做子子治療的話每一位的這個病童可能也許需要花費差不多將近100萬那如果是這樣子的話其實對整個健保的給付其實負擔不是那麼大\n490476\t498726\t草案案件事務委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧\n509119\t529356\t那我希望就是說衛福部那健保署這邊應該去考慮應該是去討論去檢討那是不是真的對我們這些癌症病童是有幫助那其實對健保的這個負擔不是很大之下那是不是可以把這個支持治療針對這個癌症病童的部分可以用健保來給付\n530471\t553139\t當然是科學上應該是能夠證實是一個有效的治療。這是前提。我們不希望說這個就被爛掉。那如果有效的這種治療受到證明的時候,那健保這邊就會去把這個可以治療的這個部分的話,那要怎麼樣去給付做一個研議。\n555120\t555881\t醫療法草案案。 »:\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們請部長。委員好。\n部長好。部長今天會特別排這個再生醫療法草案還有再生醫療治劑條例草案是因為我們上一屆這個委員都非常的關心那上一屆也在這個委員會也充分的討論那很可惜就是說我們沒有願版的\n那我知道就是說我們這個衛福部這邊已經在3月20號將這個草案已經送行政院那我想請教有沒有可能在520之前是送到立法院目前的時間大概是這樣4月19那個行政院的政委就會召開審查會\n因為裡面的那個內容,倒是講實質內容變化不大。也許一次審查會就可以通過。那如果能夠通過的話,那就會排院會。那院會通過的時候就會送到立法院來。\n是有機會是有機會吼吼那當然這個是很多人期待啦吼尤其是我們知道就是說每一年吼這個我們有關這個癌症篩檢每一年大約吼就是有400萬人次吼\n草案：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1會期社會福利及\n草案：一、審查), ︎一、審查), ︎一方面我也想請教就是說這個我們健保署去年有給付一個這個國外藥家要破千萬的這個T細胞的治療在去年的時候那當然就是說這個應該是很特殊的一個案例\n醫療法草案案件事宜,在臺灣純熟之後,我是覺得說一方面也扶植我們臺灣的一個產業,其實臺灣的醫療在這個全世界其實大家都非常肯定的。\n醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件\n草案：一、審查 proporto一、審查ympto一、審查Victo一、審查Victo一、\n醫療法草案案案件事件事件事件事件事\n當然再生醫療的運用範圍目前是還相當有限不過對於未來它的運用這種技術的運用的話其實是有大家都很高的一些期待\n以目前來講的話剛剛委員所提到卡提的治療他是從病人身上先取得他的細胞然後還要送到國外去自備然後再回到國內來使用於病人身上\n國內目前針對卡T的這一個類似的這一個部分的話也在進行人體試驗當中所以如果國內的醫療機構這個人體試驗是能夠成功的那當然就是可以在國內就把這個整個程序都做完\n那這樣子的就有機會他的價格會下來。是。其實我們也希望就是說一方面應該也是加惠所有的患者因為很多如果罹癌的患者他們當然希望能夠有一線升級可是這個價格真的都非常的昂貴。對。健保有給付的部分也很沉重。\n發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n藥物可以大量製造。如果能夠大量製造,它的成本當然就會下降。它要能夠大量製造,一定要能夠液體的細胞是可以用的。所以剛剛陳戰書委員在問,好像他對於液體認為說我們還是要謹慎去評估。我認為如果沒有開放液體的話,那就不用多談了,因為只有自體的話,它的規模一定做不大。\n接下來部長我想請教就是說我們在每一年大約有500位的兒童癌症病童那這個500位的癌症病童其中差不多有150位左右\n發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n植物治療是針對的一些實體癌,所以不是血癌那一類的實體的癌,那難以用其他的方式去治療的。那其中大概就是小孩子這種神經系統的癌症的話,那是一個比較好的一個方式。那它的特點就是它能夠\n草案案件事務委員委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競選委員會主席競\n其實我是認為就是說如果每一年大約500位的這個各種類的這個癌症病童那其中如果有150位他是適合做子子治療的話每一位的這個病童可能也許需要花費差不多將近100萬那如果是這樣子的話其實對整個健保的給付其實負擔不是那麼大\n草案案件事務委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧等19人擬具委員會主席蓬佩奧\n那我希望就是說衛福部那健保署這邊應該去考慮應該是去討論去檢討那是不是真的對我們這些癌症病童是有幫助那其實對健保的這個負擔不是很大之下那是不是可以把這個支持治療針對這個癌症病童的部分可以用健保來給付\n當然是科學上應該是能夠證實是一個有效的治療。這是前提。我們不希望說這個就被爛掉。那如果有效的這種治療受到證明的時候,那健保這邊就會去把這個可以治療的這個部分的話,那要怎麼樣去給付做一個研議。\n醫療法草案案。 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02:54.997\n草案：一、審查proporto一、審查ympto一、審查Victo一、審查Victo一、\n\n03:15.789 --> 03:17.810\n醫療法草案案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n03:39.139 --> 03:53.197\n當然再生醫療的運用範圍目前是還相當有限不過對於未來它的運用這種技術的運用的話其實是有大家都很高的一些期待\n\n03:54.579 --> 04:08.421\n以目前來講的話剛剛委員所提到卡提的治療他是從病人身上先取得他的細胞然後還要送到國外去自備然後再回到國內來使用於病人身上\n\n04:13.582 --> 04:31.152\n國內目前針對卡T的這一個類似的這一個部分的話也在進行人體試驗當中所以如果國內的醫療機構這個人體試驗是能夠成功的那當然就是可以在國內就把這個整個程序都做完\n\n04:31.932 --> 04:55.209\n那這樣子的就有機會他的價格會下來。是。其實我們也希望就是說一方面應該也是加惠所有的患者因為很多如果罹癌的患者他們當然希望能夠有一線升級可是這個價格真的都非常的昂貴。對。健保有給付的部分也很沉重。\n\n04:55.709 --> 04:57.030\n發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n05:17.045 --> 05:23.568\n草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n05:37.534 --> 06:01.941\n藥物可以大量製造。如果能夠大量製造,它的成本當然就會下降。它要能夠大量製造,一定要能夠液體的細胞是可以用的。所以剛剛陳戰書委員在問,好像他對於液體認為說我們還是要謹慎去評估。我認為如果沒有開放液體的話,那就不用多談了,因為只有自體的話,它的規模一定做不大。\n\n06:04.523 --> 06:18.552\n接下來部長我想請教就是說我們在每一年大約有500位的兒童癌症病童那這個500位的癌症病童其中差不多有150位左右\n\n06:18.992 --> 06:20.153\n發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事件事\n\n06:47.071 --> 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