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表達，謝謝委員。"],["郭委員國文：謝謝。"],["主席：現在請賴惠員委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":72,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-7","speakers":["羅明才","賴士葆","林德福","楊瓊瓔","王正旭","黃捷","吳宗憲","黃珊珊","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","王世堅","顏寬恒","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","黃國昌","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:32,843\n委員好那個部長那個我們最近的這個房屋薪資佔比齁其實有逐年下降的趨勢齁最主要我們都是想要針對普羅大眾來減輕他的負擔包括我們今年開始試用有關於列舉扣除額房屋房屋房租扣除額的部分從列舉扣除改成特別扣除額的這個部分齁也希望達到這個目標\n\n3\n00:00:34,784 --> 00:00:50,040\n但是上一次你們在評估這些內容當中都還有寫到有一關可能會影響到稅差存多少錢可是今年的這個報告當中這稅差存的部分你們都沒有寫只有寫到說租稅公平、租證簡化等原則通盤檢查\n\n4\n00:00:51,101 --> 00:01:05,086\n我是想說後續今天是有詢答後續如果條文在討論的時候能夠具體的寫出到底稅差損害多少這個部長我給你做一個提醒那同時我提醒你一下你上次提到這一個有關這個扣除額的這個部分部長你說減稅會減到30億\n\n5\n00:01:08,607 --> 00:01:08,747\n副副副\n\n6\n00:01:39,807 --> 00:01:41,548\n梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、\n\n7\n00:02:00,154 --> 00:02:24,575\n在房客那因為他報這個扣除了那所以相關的一個租屋的資料當然我們就理解那當然會促使我們的房東的能夠是列報所謂的租金收入另外呢目前我們的房屋稅條例也修正了然後對於有出租的話他所適用的房屋稅的稅率也比沒有出租空置的情況下會下降所以這個部分對房對房屋所有權來說他誠實的去\n\n8\n00:02:26,937 --> 00:02:36,824\n李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人\n\n9\n00:02:54,136 --> 00:03:10,085\n公益出租人的部分他的房屋稅還是適用有自用住宅版本因為他的所得的部分也可以每個月一萬五千塊可以免稅非公益出租的部分是不是有其他類似一種特色自首的條款去思考一下部長另外一個部分\n\n10\n00:03:12,907 --> 00:03:36,803\n今天呢提到有關於這個長照的這個部分的扣除額的這個提升我認為是有提升的必要提升的依據是什麼呢因為過往我們長照2.0的不付的補助金額是12萬接下來呢總統當選的賴清德先生他是提出一個所謂長照3.0也就是說他這個補助金額已經提高到18萬我們是不是能夠比照這個一般的行情大概是36萬\n\n11\n00:03:38,024 --> 00:03:39,505\n賴主席賴主席賴主席賴主席\n\n12\n00:04:02,608 --> 00:04:14,896\n委員報告那因為對長照這個部分委員跟黨團都非常的一個重視都有提出各種不同的版本我想這個涉及到這個所得稅裡面所有的相關扣除額都有相關的建議我想這個部分我們來通盤的演繹在維護財政穩健的情況下這不是從財政稅政的穩健而已還要考慮到政策啦\n\n13\n00:04:23,081 --> 00:04:50,495\n總共夯不啷噹加起來你看以稅收的影響你12萬的部分也不過12億你變18萬的部分應該也大概18億不過是6億之多而已啊是是是謝謝委員的指教這政府一個誠意長照3.8百億都在花了你怎麼差這6億呢是是對不對對長照其實要各個面向除了稅之外也有其他的措施對還有一個可能性是政府真的都適用在把這個扣除的部分比照所得稅法第五條之一把它準用於\n\n14\n00:04:51,175 --> 00:05:12,418\n有這個按照這個依照所得的水準基本生活的變動情形每幾年評估一次的可能性,把它納入啦。因為目前只有四項而已嘛。包括身心障礙的特別扣除也是如納入四項之中其中之一。長照這個長期的一個政策,長期的一個福利政策應該也要比照納入,你的看法怎麼樣?\n\n15\n00:05:13,619 --> 00:05:30,940\n委員這個建議我們會一併納入演議。這個部分其實應該可以作為思考,不然我們長照政策是一個很重要的國家政策嘛。好,那接下來本席要請教於您啦,有關於當中的部分啦,那個金管會還有部分的券商業者,他們希望常態化,我問一下部長你的態度怎麼樣?\n\n16\n00:05:32,058 --> 00:05:41,122\n呃,我想這個部分當沖降稅、減半降稅這個部分成為常態化可能跟納保法的規定不合,因為租稅優惠一點時間。那你如果不想要常態化,你有沒有可能希望正常化?呃,正常化?這什麼叫常態化跟正常化?\n\n17\n00:05:52,527 --> 00:06:11,772\n那我想這個部分金管會已經有評估對於這個股市交易的動能我現在問你不是要問金管會好不好部長你不要代替金管會回答這裡面當然跟股市的交易動能是有關係的那另外要怎麼樣股市的交易好我們現在談股市的交易當初就是因為拍板定案的時候在105年度的時候才987億嘛就是要達到造勢的功能嘛\n\n18\n00:06:14,833 --> 00:06:27,401\n後來第一年的時候1544億嘛,延長第一年,第一次延長的時候就變2698億嘛,現在前兩年已經超過3000億,到今年的第一季為止的日均量,3月日均量已經變5863億了,那我請問你一下,這個造勢的功能目標有沒有達成?\n\n19\n00:06:33,465 --> 00:07:00,260\n呃,這個部分當然因為股市的交易能量那麼大,除了當沖降稅之外,還有其他的因素啦,不是只有他這個因素啦。所以說已經達成了嘛,造勢已經有達成效果了嘛。造勢已經達成效果,你是不是應該就是退居,退居變成是正常化啦?你怎麼不敢講呢?噢,這個部分我們會一定的審慎的考量了。第一次延長三年,第二次延長三年,現在要延長五年,這跟常態化有什麼差別?他以後再跟你延長個十年,\n\n20\n00:07:01,841 --> 00:07:13,455\n那不是就常態化了嗎?你不是說你反對常態化嗎?再下去就變常態化了,不是嗎?對啊,是啊是啊,對不對?這個就是把特效藥當成保健食品再吃啊!嘿啦!\n\n21\n00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:42,705\n明明是偷銷藥材、包裝保健食品政府都一直在鼓勵說那個要長期投資結果呢是鼓勵短期投機啊就變這樣子啊整個政府為什麼會這樣子部長我去查一查我知道原因啦你為什麼為什麼你這樣子笑你這樣子看起來沒有很堅決的反對不想要回到正常化的原因我去算過嘛把這個證交所估計的資料齁我把它算出來\n\n22\n00:07:44,434 --> 00:07:49,878\n曾教授當中的價差從2021、2022、2023總共當初的價差第一年690億、第二年變372億、第三年變504億看起來這價差好像不錯\n\n23\n00:07:57,523 --> 00:08:21,461\n可是你仔細看政交稅的部分我們推估起來第一年就是568億第二年347億38億這個政交稅的這個抽稅就高達1297億啊第一個好到政府啊第二個好到誰好到手續費的券商啦券商抽頭多少第一年557億第二年330億第三年362億加起來也將近1300億啊\n\n24\n00:08:27,485 --> 00:08:56,685\n結果整個淨收益的結果全部都買蠟石整個股民產賠980億這種推估的結果這推估的結果我再算全體的券商這三年加起來憨不啷噹第一年1050億第二年387億第三年558億大概接近2000億好到哪好到券商所以這些券商當然希望什麼\n\n25\n00:08:58,326 --> 00:09:25,502\n當然希望常態化結果政府也是抽頭之一當然不是部長你抽頭啦但是都好到政府結果這些年輕人這些少年古神一一沉入古海當中每一個都是韭菜當通條款根本是韭菜條款嘛割韭菜條款嘛部長我再問你一次你希望常態化你不希望常態化那你是不是希望正常化\n\n26\n00:09:27,045 --> 00:09:39,149\n我想委員您剛剛講的也確實是有一個這個面向存在的情況。那我想我們都會審慎的評估對於整個股市、股、證券市場的交易量。這個部分我們會再做評估的,是。就是說他你就看到這些稅收你在那裡纏住不立場你就想要多增加一點稅收啊。對啊。\n\n27\n00:09:54,174 --> 00:10:20,445\n可是你每年的這個超徵的稅金剩餘增加那麼多?越多你為困擾而已啊。越多立法院問你啊。對不對?不是嗎?你的稅收目標都已經達成啊。你還有需要這個造勢的這種增加出來的稅收嗎?結果這個稅收收了越多啊。韭菜被割了越多啊。年輕人的怨氣越重啊。\n\n28\n00:10:22,231 --> 00:10:46,712\n這個是我們也要考量的事對啊這沒有錯啊政府設計一個機制讓年輕人來這邊當所謂他們夢想中的少年古城結果後來就變成韭菜一一跌入古海當中不但如此啊養成一個短期投資的一個投資行為之外還變成啊每天都要專注那些行情大盤\n\n29\n00:10:48,800 --> 00:11:13,474\n工作表現怎麼會順利對不對也會影響到個人的作息政府有這麼缺稅金嗎部長我想政府不是從稅收這個部分來考量的我想我們不是單純從稅收的面向來考量不是單純從稅收的面向的話你應該好好考量一下好好考量一下大聲的跟金管會的這個主委講\n\n30\n00:11:16,191 --> 00:11:34,364\n郭家柏欠債的錢。財政部最近的業績都不錯啦。都抄收了啦。不需要啦。你就跟他講券商賺飽飽了啦。已經賺了兩千億了啦。不需要靠這個啦。所以說ETF的大賣啦。不是嗎?\n\n31\n00:11:35,956 --> 00:11:49,241\n呃對今天最呃最近吧ETF所以我希望部長你有一定程度的發言權你不要回去給我評估當內部在做這個政策討論的時候勇於表達立場可不可以呃會的委員的意見我們一定會表達謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n640\t1462\t主席有請莊部長你莊部長\n8627\t32843\t委員好那個部長那個我們最近的這個房屋薪資佔比齁其實有逐年下降的趨勢齁最主要我們都是想要針對普羅大眾來減輕他的負擔包括我們今年開始試用有關於列舉扣除額房屋房屋房租扣除額的部分從列舉扣除改成特別扣除額的這個部分齁也希望達到這個目標\n34784\t50040\t但是上一次你們在評估這些內容當中都還有寫到有一關可能會影響到稅差存多少錢可是今年的這個報告當中這稅差存的部分你們都沒有寫只有寫到說租稅公平、租證簡化等原則通盤檢查\n51101\t65086\t我是想說後續今天是有詢答後續如果條文在討論的時候能夠具體的寫出到底稅差損害多少這個部長我給你做一個提醒那同時我提醒你一下你上次提到這一個有關這個扣除額的這個部分部長你說減稅會減到30億\n68607\t68747\t副副副\n99807\t101548\t梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、\n120154\t144575\t在房客那因為他報這個扣除了那所以相關的一個租屋的資料當然我們就理解那當然會促使我們的房東的能夠是列報所謂的租金收入另外呢目前我們的房屋稅條例也修正了然後對於有出租的話他所適用的房屋稅的稅率也比沒有出租空置的情況下會下降所以這個部分對房對房屋所有權來說他誠實的去\n146937\t156824\t李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人\n174136\t190085\t公益出租人的部分他的房屋稅還是適用有自用住宅版本因為他的所得的部分也可以每個月一萬五千塊可以免稅非公益出租的部分是不是有其他類似一種特色自首的條款去思考一下部長另外一個部分\n192907\t216803\t今天呢提到有關於這個長照的這個部分的扣除額的這個提升我認為是有提升的必要提升的依據是什麼呢因為過往我們長照2.0的不付的補助金額是12萬接下來呢總統當選的賴清德先生他是提出一個所謂長照3.0也就是說他這個補助金額已經提高到18萬我們是不是能夠比照這個一般的行情大概是36萬\n218024\t219505\t賴主席賴主席賴主席賴主席\n242608\t254896\t委員報告那因為對長照這個部分委員跟黨團都非常的一個重視都有提出各種不同的版本我想這個涉及到這個所得稅裡面所有的相關扣除額都有相關的建議我想這個部分我們來通盤的演繹在維護財政穩健的情況下這不是從財政稅政的穩健而已還要考慮到政策啦\n263081\t290495\t總共夯不啷噹加起來你看以稅收的影響你12萬的部分也不過12億你變18萬的部分應該也大概18億不過是6億之多而已啊是是是謝謝委員的指教這政府一個誠意長照3.8百億都在花了你怎麼差這6億呢是是對不對對長照其實要各個面向除了稅之外也有其他的措施對還有一個可能性是政府真的都適用在把這個扣除的部分比照所得稅法第五條之一把它準用於\n291175\t312418\t有這個按照這個依照所得的水準基本生活的變動情形每幾年評估一次的可能性,把它納入啦。因為目前只有四項而已嘛。包括身心障礙的特別扣除也是如納入四項之中其中之一。長照這個長期的一個政策,長期的一個福利政策應該也要比照納入,你的看法怎麼樣?\n313619\t330940\t委員這個建議我們會一併納入演議。這個部分其實應該可以作為思考,不然我們長照政策是一個很重要的國家政策嘛。好,那接下來本席要請教於您啦,有關於當中的部分啦,那個金管會還有部分的券商業者,他們希望常態化,我問一下部長你的態度怎麼樣?\n332058\t341122\t呃,我想這個部分當沖降稅、減半降稅這個部分成為常態化可能跟納保法的規定不合,因為租稅優惠一點時間。那你如果不想要常態化,你有沒有可能希望正常化?呃,正常化?這什麼叫常態化跟正常化?\n352527\t371772\t那我想這個部分金管會已經有評估對於這個股市交易的動能我現在問你不是要問金管會好不好部長你不要代替金管會回答這裡面當然跟股市的交易動能是有關係的那另外要怎麼樣股市的交易好我們現在談股市的交易當初就是因為拍板定案的時候在105年度的時候才987億嘛就是要達到造勢的功能嘛\n374833\t387401\t後來第一年的時候1544億嘛,延長第一年,第一次延長的時候就變2698億嘛,現在前兩年已經超過3000億,到今年的第一季為止的日均量,3月日均量已經變5863億了,那我請問你一下,這個造勢的功能目標有沒有達成?\n393465\t420260\t呃,這個部分當然因為股市的交易能量那麼大,除了當沖降稅之外,還有其他的因素啦,不是只有他這個因素啦。所以說已經達成了嘛,造勢已經有達成效果了嘛。造勢已經達成效果,你是不是應該就是退居,退居變成是正常化啦?你怎麼不敢講呢?噢,這個部分我們會一定的審慎的考量了。第一次延長三年,第二次延長三年,現在要延長五年,這跟常態化有什麼差別?他以後再跟你延長個十年,\n421841\t433455\t那不是就常態化了嗎?你不是說你反對常態化嗎?再下去就變常態化了,不是嗎?對啊,是啊是啊,對不對?這個就是把特效藥當成保健食品再吃啊!嘿啦!\n435060\t462705\t明明是偷銷藥材、包裝保健食品政府都一直在鼓勵說那個要長期投資結果呢是鼓勵短期投機啊就變這樣子啊整個政府為什麼會這樣子部長我去查一查我知道原因啦你為什麼為什麼你這樣子笑你這樣子看起來沒有很堅決的反對不想要回到正常化的原因我去算過嘛把這個證交所估計的資料齁我把它算出來\n464434\t469878\t曾教授當中的價差從2021、2022、2023總共當初的價差第一年690億、第二年變372億、第三年變504億看起來這價差好像不錯\n477523\t501461\t可是你仔細看政交稅的部分我們推估起來第一年就是568億第二年347億38億這個政交稅的這個抽稅就高達1297億啊第一個好到政府啊第二個好到誰好到手續費的券商啦券商抽頭多少第一年557億第二年330億第三年362億加起來也將近1300億啊\n507485\t536685\t結果整個淨收益的結果全部都買蠟石整個股民產賠980億這種推估的結果這推估的結果我再算全體的券商這三年加起來憨不啷噹第一年1050億第二年387億第三年558億大概接近2000億好到哪好到券商所以這些券商當然希望什麼\n538326\t565502\t當然希望常態化結果政府也是抽頭之一當然不是部長你抽頭啦但是都好到政府結果這些年輕人這些少年古神一一沉入古海當中每一個都是韭菜當通條款根本是韭菜條款嘛割韭菜條款嘛部長我再問你一次你希望常態化你不希望常態化那你是不是希望正常化\n567045\t579149\t我想委員您剛剛講的也確實是有一個這個面向存在的情況。那我想我們都會審慎的評估對於整個股市、股、證券市場的交易量。這個部分我們會再做評估的,是。就是說他你就看到這些稅收你在那裡纏住不立場你就想要多增加一點稅收啊。對啊。\n594174\t620445\t可是你每年的這個超徵的稅金剩餘增加那麼多?越多你為困擾而已啊。越多立法院問你啊。對不對?不是嗎?你的稅收目標都已經達成啊。你還有需要這個造勢的這種增加出來的稅收嗎?結果這個稅收收了越多啊。韭菜被割了越多啊。年輕人的怨氣越重啊。\n622231\t646712\t這個是我們也要考量的事對啊 這沒有錯啊政府設計一個機制讓年輕人來這邊當所謂他們夢想中的少年古城結果後來就變成韭菜一一跌入古海當中不但如此啊養成一個短期投資的一個投資行為之外還變成啊每天都要專注那些行情大盤\n648800\t673474\t工作表現怎麼會順利對不對也會影響到個人的作息政府有這麼缺稅金嗎部長我想政府不是從稅收這個部分來考量的我想我們不是單純從稅收的面向來考量不是單純從稅收的面向的話你應該好好考量一下好好考量一下大聲的跟金管會的這個主委講\n676191\t694364\t郭家柏欠債的錢。財政部最近的業績都不錯啦。都抄收了啦。不需要啦。你就跟他講券商賺飽飽了啦。已經賺了兩千億了啦。不需要靠這個啦。所以說ETF的大賣啦。不是嗎?\n695956\t709241\t呃對今天最呃最近吧ETF所以我希望部長你有一定程度的發言權你不要回去給我評估當內部在做這個政策討論的時候勇於表達立場可不可以呃會的委員的意見我們一定會表達謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席有請莊部長你莊部長\n委員好那個部長那個我們最近的這個房屋薪資佔比齁其實有逐年下降的趨勢齁最主要我們都是想要針對普羅大眾來減輕他的負擔包括我們今年開始試用有關於列舉扣除額房屋房屋房租扣除額的部分從列舉扣除改成特別扣除額的這個部分齁也希望達到這個目標\n但是上一次你們在評估這些內容當中都還有寫到有一關可能會影響到稅差存多少錢可是今年的這個報告當中這稅差存的部分你們都沒有寫只有寫到說租稅公平、租證簡化等原則通盤檢查\n我是想說後續今天是有詢答後續如果條文在討論的時候能夠具體的寫出到底稅差損害多少這個部長我給你做一個提醒那同時我提醒你一下你上次提到這一個有關這個扣除額的這個部分部長你說減稅會減到30億\n副副副\n梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、\n在房客那因為他報這個扣除了那所以相關的一個租屋的資料當然我們就理解那當然會促使我們的房東的能夠是列報所謂的租金收入另外呢目前我們的房屋稅條例也修正了然後對於有出租的話他所適用的房屋稅的稅率也比沒有出租空置的情況下會下降所以這個部分對房對房屋所有權來說他誠實的去\n李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人\n公益出租人的部分他的房屋稅還是適用有自用住宅版本因為他的所得的部分也可以每個月一萬五千塊可以免稅非公益出租的部分是不是有其他類似一種特色自首的條款去思考一下部長另外一個部分\n今天呢提到有關於這個長照的這個部分的扣除額的這個提升我認為是有提升的必要提升的依據是什麼呢因為過往我們長照2.0的不付的補助金額是12萬接下來呢總統當選的賴清德先生他是提出一個所謂長照3.0也就是說他這個補助金額已經提高到18萬我們是不是能夠比照這個一般的行情大概是36萬\n賴主席賴主席賴主席賴主席\n委員報告那因為對長照這個部分委員跟黨團都非常的一個重視都有提出各種不同的版本我想這個涉及到這個所得稅裡面所有的相關扣除額都有相關的建議我想這個部分我們來通盤的演繹在維護財政穩健的情況下這不是從財政稅政的穩健而已還要考慮到政策啦\n總共夯不啷噹加起來你看以稅收的影響你12萬的部分也不過12億你變18萬的部分應該也大概18億不過是6億之多而已啊是是是謝謝委員的指教這政府一個誠意長照3.8百億都在花了你怎麼差這6億呢是是對不對對長照其實要各個面向除了稅之外也有其他的措施對還有一個可能性是政府真的都適用在把這個扣除的部分比照所得稅法第五條之一把它準用於\n有這個按照這個依照所得的水準基本生活的變動情形每幾年評估一次的可能性,把它納入啦。因為目前只有四項而已嘛。包括身心障礙的特別扣除也是如納入四項之中其中之一。長照這個長期的一個政策,長期的一個福利政策應該也要比照納入,你的看法怎麼樣?\n委員這個建議我們會一併納入演議。這個部分其實應該可以作為思考,不然我們長照政策是一個很重要的國家政策嘛。好,那接下來本席要請教於您啦,有關於當中的部分啦,那個金管會還有部分的券商業者,他們希望常態化,我問一下部長你的態度怎麼樣?\n呃,我想這個部分當沖降稅、減半降稅這個部分成為常態化可能跟納保法的規定不合,因為租稅優惠一點時間。那你如果不想要常態化,你有沒有可能希望正常化?呃,正常化?這什麼叫常態化跟正常化?\n那我想這個部分金管會已經有評估對於這個股市交易的動能我現在問你不是要問金管會好不好部長你不要代替金管會回答這裡面當然跟股市的交易動能是有關係的那另外要怎麼樣股市的交易好我們現在談股市的交易當初就是因為拍板定案的時候在105年度的時候才987億嘛就是要達到造勢的功能嘛\n後來第一年的時候1544億嘛,延長第一年,第一次延長的時候就變2698億嘛,現在前兩年已經超過3000億,到今年的第一季為止的日均量,3月日均量已經變5863億了,那我請問你一下,這個造勢的功能目標有沒有達成?\n呃,這個部分當然因為股市的交易能量那麼大,除了當沖降稅之外,還有其他的因素啦,不是只有他這個因素啦。所以說已經達成了嘛,造勢已經有達成效果了嘛。造勢已經達成效果,你是不是應該就是退居,退居變成是正常化啦?你怎麼不敢講呢?噢,這個部分我們會一定的審慎的考量了。第一次延長三年,第二次延長三年,現在要延長五年,這跟常態化有什麼差別?他以後再跟你延長個十年,\n那不是就常態化了嗎?你不是說你反對常態化嗎?再下去就變常態化了,不是嗎?對啊,是啊是啊,對不對?這個就是把特效藥當成保健食品再吃啊!嘿啦!\n明明是偷銷藥材、包裝保健食品政府都一直在鼓勵說那個要長期投資結果呢是鼓勵短期投機啊就變這樣子啊整個政府為什麼會這樣子部長我去查一查我知道原因啦你為什麼為什麼你這樣子笑你這樣子看起來沒有很堅決的反對不想要回到正常化的原因我去算過嘛把這個證交所估計的資料齁我把它算出來\n曾教授當中的價差從2021、2022、2023總共當初的價差第一年690億、第二年變372億、第三年變504億看起來這價差好像不錯\n可是你仔細看政交稅的部分我們推估起來第一年就是568億第二年347億38億這個政交稅的這個抽稅就高達1297億啊第一個好到政府啊第二個好到誰好到手續費的券商啦券商抽頭多少第一年557億第二年330億第三年362億加起來也將近1300億啊\n結果整個淨收益的結果全部都買蠟石整個股民產賠980億這種推估的結果這推估的結果我再算全體的券商這三年加起來憨不啷噹第一年1050億第二年387億第三年558億大概接近2000億好到哪好到券商所以這些券商當然希望什麼\n當然希望常態化結果政府也是抽頭之一當然不是部長你抽頭啦但是都好到政府結果這些年輕人這些少年古神一一沉入古海當中每一個都是韭菜當通條款根本是韭菜條款嘛割韭菜條款嘛部長我再問你一次你希望常態化你不希望常態化那你是不是希望正常化\n我想委員您剛剛講的也確實是有一個這個面向存在的情況。那我想我們都會審慎的評估對於整個股市、股、證券市場的交易量。這個部分我們會再做評估的,是。就是說他你就看到這些稅收你在那裡纏住不立場你就想要多增加一點稅收啊。對啊。\n可是你每年的這個超徵的稅金剩餘增加那麼多?越多你為困擾而已啊。越多立法院問你啊。對不對?不是嗎?你的稅收目標都已經達成啊。你還有需要這個造勢的這種增加出來的稅收嗎?結果這個稅收收了越多啊。韭菜被割了越多啊。年輕人的怨氣越重啊。\n這個是我們也要考量的事對啊 這沒有錯啊政府設計一個機制讓年輕人來這邊當所謂他們夢想中的少年古城結果後來就變成韭菜一一跌入古海當中不但如此啊養成一個短期投資的一個投資行為之外還變成啊每天都要專注那些行情大盤\n工作表現怎麼會順利對不對也會影響到個人的作息政府有這麼缺稅金嗎部長我想政府不是從稅收這個部分來考量的我想我們不是單純從稅收的面向來考量不是單純從稅收的面向的話你應該好好考量一下好好考量一下大聲的跟金管會的這個主委講\n郭家柏欠債的錢。財政部最近的業績都不錯啦。都抄收了啦。不需要啦。你就跟他講券商賺飽飽了啦。已經賺了兩千億了啦。不需要靠這個啦。所以說ETF的大賣啦。不是嗎?\n呃對今天最呃最近吧ETF所以我希望部長你有一定程度的發言權你不要回去給我評估當內部在做這個政策討論的時候勇於表達立場可不可以呃會的委員的意見我們一定會表達謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.640 --> 00:01.462\n主席有請莊部長你莊部長\n\n00:08.627 --> 00:32.843\n委員好那個部長那個我們最近的這個房屋薪資佔比齁其實有逐年下降的趨勢齁最主要我們都是想要針對普羅大眾來減輕他的負擔包括我們今年開始試用有關於列舉扣除額房屋房屋房租扣除額的部分從列舉扣除改成特別扣除額的這個部分齁也希望達到這個目標\n\n00:34.784 --> 00:50.040\n但是上一次你們在評估這些內容當中都還有寫到有一關可能會影響到稅差存多少錢可是今年的這個報告當中這稅差存的部分你們都沒有寫只有寫到說租稅公平、租證簡化等原則通盤檢查\n\n00:51.101 --> 01:05.086\n我是想說後續今天是有詢答後續如果條文在討論的時候能夠具體的寫出到底稅差損害多少這個部長我給你做一個提醒那同時我提醒你一下你上次提到這一個有關這個扣除額的這個部分部長你說減稅會減到30億\n\n01:08.607 --> 01:08.747\n副副副\n\n01:39.807 --> 01:41.548\n梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、梁美芬、\n\n02:00.154 --> 02:24.575\n在房客那因為他報這個扣除了那所以相關的一個租屋的資料當然我們就理解那當然會促使我們的房東的能夠是列報所謂的租金收入另外呢目前我們的房屋稅條例也修正了然後對於有出租的話他所適用的房屋稅的稅率也比沒有出租空置的情況下會下降所以這個部分對房對房屋所有權來說他誠實的去\n\n02:26.937 --> 02:36.824\n李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人、李宗盛等19人\n\n02:54.136 --> 03:10.085\n公益出租人的部分他的房屋稅還是適用有自用住宅版本因為他的所得的部分也可以每個月一萬五千塊可以免稅非公益出租的部分是不是有其他類似一種特色自首的條款去思考一下部長另外一個部分\n\n03:12.907 --> 03:36.803\n今天呢提到有關於這個長照的這個部分的扣除額的這個提升我認為是有提升的必要提升的依據是什麼呢因為過往我們長照2.0的不付的補助金額是12萬接下來呢總統當選的賴清德先生他是提出一個所謂長照3.0也就是說他這個補助金額已經提高到18萬我們是不是能夠比照這個一般的行情大概是36萬\n\n03:38.024 --> 03:39.505\n賴主席賴主席賴主席賴主席\n\n04:02.608 --> 04:14.896\n委員報告那因為對長照這個部分委員跟黨團都非常的一個重視都有提出各種不同的版本我想這個涉及到這個所得稅裡面所有的相關扣除額都有相關的建議我想這個部分我們來通盤的演繹在維護財政穩健的情況下這不是從財政稅政的穩健而已還要考慮到政策啦\n\n04:23.081 --> 04:50.495\n總共夯不啷噹加起來你看以稅收的影響你12萬的部分也不過12億你變18萬的部分應該也大概18億不過是6億之多而已啊是是是謝謝委員的指教這政府一個誠意長照3.8百億都在花了你怎麼差這6億呢是是對不對對長照其實要各個面向除了稅之外也有其他的措施對還有一個可能性是政府真的都適用在把這個扣除的部分比照所得稅法第五條之一把它準用於\n\n04:51.175 --> 05:12.418\n有這個按照這個依照所得的水準基本生活的變動情形每幾年評估一次的可能性,把它納入啦。因為目前只有四項而已嘛。包括身心障礙的特別扣除也是如納入四項之中其中之一。長照這個長期的一個政策,長期的一個福利政策應該也要比照納入,你的看法怎麼樣?\n\n05:13.619 --> 05:30.940\n委員這個建議我們會一併納入演議。這個部分其實應該可以作為思考,不然我們長照政策是一個很重要的國家政策嘛。好,那接下來本席要請教於您啦,有關於當中的部分啦,那個金管會還有部分的券商業者,他們希望常態化,我問一下部長你的態度怎麼樣?\n\n05:32.058 --> 05:41.122\n呃,我想這個部分當沖降稅、減半降稅這個部分成為常態化可能跟納保法的規定不合,因為租稅優惠一點時間。那你如果不想要常態化,你有沒有可能希望正常化?呃,正常化?這什麼叫常態化跟正常化?\n\n05:52.527 --> 06:11.772\n那我想這個部分金管會已經有評估對於這個股市交易的動能我現在問你不是要問金管會好不好部長你不要代替金管會回答這裡面當然跟股市的交易動能是有關係的那另外要怎麼樣股市的交易好我們現在談股市的交易當初就是因為拍板定案的時候在105年度的時候才987億嘛就是要達到造勢的功能嘛\n\n06:14.833 --> 06:27.401\n後來第一年的時候1544億嘛,延長第一年,第一次延長的時候就變2698億嘛,現在前兩年已經超過3000億,到今年的第一季為止的日均量,3月日均量已經變5863億了,那我請問你一下,這個造勢的功能目標有沒有達成?\n\n06:33.465 --> 07:00.260\n呃,這個部分當然因為股市的交易能量那麼大,除了當沖降稅之外,還有其他的因素啦,不是只有他這個因素啦。所以說已經達成了嘛,造勢已經有達成效果了嘛。造勢已經達成效果,你是不是應該就是退居,退居變成是正常化啦?你怎麼不敢講呢?噢,這個部分我們會一定的審慎的考量了。第一次延長三年,第二次延長三年,現在要延長五年,這跟常態化有什麼差別?他以後再跟你延長個十年,\n\n07:01.841 --> 07:13.455\n那不是就常態化了嗎?你不是說你反對常態化嗎?再下去就變常態化了,不是嗎?對啊,是啊是啊,對不對?這個就是把特效藥當成保健食品再吃啊!嘿啦!\n\n07:15.060 --> 07:42.705\n明明是偷銷藥材、包裝保健食品政府都一直在鼓勵說那個要長期投資結果呢是鼓勵短期投機啊就變這樣子啊整個政府為什麼會這樣子部長我去查一查我知道原因啦你為什麼為什麼你這樣子笑你這樣子看起來沒有很堅決的反對不想要回到正常化的原因我去算過嘛把這個證交所估計的資料齁我把它算出來\n\n07:44.434 --> 07:49.878\n曾教授當中的價差從2021、2022、2023總共當初的價差第一年690億、第二年變372億、第三年變504億看起來這價差好像不錯\n\n07:57.523 --> 08:21.461\n可是你仔細看政交稅的部分我們推估起來第一年就是568億第二年347億38億這個政交稅的這個抽稅就高達1297億啊第一個好到政府啊第二個好到誰好到手續費的券商啦券商抽頭多少第一年557億第二年330億第三年362億加起來也將近1300億啊\n\n08:27.485 --> 08:56.685\n結果整個淨收益的結果全部都買蠟石整個股民產賠980億這種推估的結果這推估的結果我再算全體的券商這三年加起來憨不啷噹第一年1050億第二年387億第三年558億大概接近2000億好到哪好到券商所以這些券商當然希望什麼\n\n08:58.326 --> 09:25.502\n當然希望常態化結果政府也是抽頭之一當然不是部長你抽頭啦但是都好到政府結果這些年輕人這些少年古神一一沉入古海當中每一個都是韭菜當通條款根本是韭菜條款嘛割韭菜條款嘛部長我再問你一次你希望常態化你不希望常態化那你是不是希望正常化\n\n09:27.045 --> 09:39.149\n我想委員您剛剛講的也確實是有一個這個面向存在的情況。那我想我們都會審慎的評估對於整個股市、股、證券市場的交易量。這個部分我們會再做評估的,是。就是說他你就看到這些稅收你在那裡纏住不立場你就想要多增加一點稅收啊。對啊。\n\n09:54.174 --> 10:20.445\n可是你每年的這個超徵的稅金剩餘增加那麼多?越多你為困擾而已啊。越多立法院問你啊。對不對?不是嗎?你的稅收目標都已經達成啊。你還有需要這個造勢的這種增加出來的稅收嗎?結果這個稅收收了越多啊。韭菜被割了越多啊。年輕人的怨氣越重啊。\n\n10:22.231 --> 10:46.712\n這個是我們也要考量的事對啊這沒有錯啊政府設計一個機制讓年輕人來這邊當所謂他們夢想中的少年古城結果後來就變成韭菜一一跌入古海當中不但如此啊養成一個短期投資的一個投資行為之外還變成啊每天都要專注那些行情大盤\n\n10:48.800 --> 11:13.474\n工作表現怎麼會順利對不對也會影響到個人的作息政府有這麼缺稅金嗎部長我想政府不是從稅收這個部分來考量的我想我們不是單純從稅收的面向來考量不是單純從稅收的面向的話你應該好好考量一下好好考量一下大聲的跟金管會的這個主委講\n\n11:16.191 --> 11:34.364\n郭家柏欠債的錢。財政部最近的業績都不錯啦。都抄收了啦。不需要啦。你就跟他講券商賺飽飽了啦。已經賺了兩千億了啦。不需要靠這個啦。所以說ETF的大賣啦。不是嗎?\n\n11:35.956 --> 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