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估資金回臺稅務的優惠是不是能夠再啟動；盤點已經回臺即將鬆綁的資金總額，並找出怎麼樣導入公共建設的解決方法，謝謝部長。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員的指教。"],["主席：謝謝，下一位質詢請李彥秀李委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":72,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-7","speakers":["羅明才","賴士葆","林德福","楊瓊瓔","王正旭","黃捷","吳宗憲","黃珊珊","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","王世堅","顏寬恒","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","黃國昌","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:51,285\n有沒有太嚴苛了呢?有沒有太嚴苛了呢?我只是要問你的專業,你認為有沒有太嚴苛呢?一般我們現在在這個標準上面應該是沒有太過於嚴苛。沒有太嚴苛?你認為還好?應該涵蓋多數使用長照服務的對象。\n\n9\n00:02:52,765 --> 00:03:11,254\n當然是用在長照的對象啊。你在回答什麼啦?是專委。是。不好。抱歉。你在回答什麼啦?抱歉。是不是從八樓到九樓你就換了一個腦袋呢?怎麼到這個地方是這樣的一個回答啦?應該是。表示就是說,連你,你是一個專委,你都是這樣的回答了。\n\n10\n00:03:13,427 --> 00:03:29,282\n好部長這個看起來你的責任更重大了跟委員報告先委員關心這個長照的一個扣除額部分跟委員報告長照他是屬於特別扣除額所以他不是屬於列舉扣除額那只要他符合\n\n11\n00:03:29,987 --> 00:03:49,689\n衛福部相關的規定的話,那他就可以申請這個長照的特別扣除。那委員這邊提到的一個比例的問題,我想先講就是說,就分母的部分因為是總申報戶數,那分子是申報這個長照特別扣除,那但是因為每一個家戶...對,所以部長,這個原因剛才郭博文委員在講的就是說,\n\n12\n00:03:50,570 --> 00:03:56,035\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n13\n00:04:12,388 --> 00:04:37,214\n蔣子德一個增加的時候,我們其實都沒有就是去調整到,就是我們的那個通盤。現在就是要提醒你就是說,我們是不是用比較不同的一個另類的一個思考,在這個長照裡頭,我們怎麼樣來照顧這些老人,怎麼樣讓這些要照顧,我們這些付薪水的要照顧老人,這一些人,\n\n14\n00:04:37,994 --> 00:04:54,330\n這群人也可以就是說隨著通盤的調整我們這樣的一個工具給他做這樣的一個調整啊。是是我知道你認為合不合理目前因為目前並沒有隨著CPI的調整我想委員這樣的建議我們會納入一併來演繹的把它就是說未來可以隨從\n\n15\n00:04:55,371 --> 00:05:15,040\n類似身心障礙的一個特別扣除而來一起來做調整。我想這個部分委員的建議我們會一併納入考量。是。是。是。所以我覺得說這個是一個非常合理也就是說非常務實我們看待這個問題的真正的一個他需要的一個需要面。這樣子才有辦法真正的就是解決長照的這個問題。我們不管就是說\n\n16\n00:05:18,771 --> 00:05:36,788\n這個時候就是在賴副總統他的宣誓就是長照他是800億還是未來有很多委員已經喊到1000億的那我覺得說我們應該正式就是通盤應該把他一樣就是放進來那一樣的去參考的話你會比較落實\n\n17\n00:05:37,569 --> 00:05:52,461\n是,謝謝委員這個建議。那在長照是許多面向,那稅是其中的一個項目。那其實我想衛福部這邊對於長照的相關的一些補貼、支應、輔助都有一些支出的一些\n\n18\n00:05:53,181 --> 00:05:55,662\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n19\n00:06:20,426 --> 00:06:40,950\n呃學前特別扣除額在今年的年初的已經公佈新的修正我們把學前特別扣除額的金額已經大幅提高不僅是在呃所得稅優化之前其實只有2萬塊後來大幅提高到12萬那在今年呃修法的時候把第一個孩子就是15萬就6歲以下的一個第一個孩子15萬那第二個孩子以後的都是22萬5000元都有做大幅的一些調整了\n\n20\n00:06:44,591 --> 00:06:48,034\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n21\n00:07:05,248 --> 00:07:16,071\n賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23\n\n22\n00:07:29,594 --> 00:07:54,997\n可不可以藉由就是PVP的一個模式政府去購買服務然後政府不用付錢那政府也不用舉債又可以就是有大量的一個公共的一個建設一個投資然後地方的一個就是民間的一個油資也不會那個掉到就是草房裡頭去那是不是有更合理的一個方式呢你認為呢\n\n23\n00:07:57,046 --> 00:08:23,353\n謝謝委員,我想民間,我們也很希望民間的資金能夠透進入到公共建設,然後讓我們的公共建設可以加速的完成,讓民眾可以享受到更好的公共服務。那比如說您這邊提到的社宅,那我們的促參法修正已經把社宅納入了這個公共所謂促參法可以適用的一個項目,而且它如果是屬於重大公共建設的話還可以享受相關的租稅優惠。那至於委員所提到政府\n\n24\n00:08:23,533 --> 00:08:33,863\n郭文貴等23人等24人等25人等26人等28人等30人等31人等32人等34人等35人等36人等37人等38人等39人等40人等41人等42人等45人等46人等47人等48人等49人等49人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50\n\n25\n00:08:47,016 --> 00:09:11,883\n寬寬的花錢,不要一下子這個財務負擔太重。但是我們這個部分是因為它沒有自償性,有些公共服務並沒有自償性,所以由民間經營然後政府去購買,當然它要符合一個好的服務。如果它沒有自償性的話,如果我們要透過就是整個立法還是我們整個稅法的一個改變,讓這個民間更多的一個錢,我們把它就是把它\n\n26\n00:09:12,403 --> 00:09:34,053\n我們現在不喜歡他我們把錢換到他們把錢換到黃地產裡頭去我們可不可能把錢鎖在這個公社裡頭那這樣子的話他有合理的一個報酬然後又有就是說一個非常好的一個那個稅負的一個優惠是不是有可能有這樣的一個機會呢\n\n27\n00:09:35,715 --> 00:09:41,102\n委員這個提示非常的好也就是說我們吸引民間的資金進來要給他誘因嘛要給他誘因那給他誘因的話有關稅負的減免裡面在促參法裡面就有相關的比如說他的引鎖稅引鎖稅還有那個\n\n28\n00:09:51,194 --> 00:10:15,250\n還有那個關稅也可以減免他要進行相關的建設所需要的設備的話關稅可以減免然後地價稅跟房屋稅也有相關的減免的一些規定所以在稅賦上有一些優惠那另外呢我們也會擴大一些這個案源也就是說對於政府購買公共服務的部分我們也會去做政策性的評估哪一些有必要性而且急迫性的而且政府來民間來做比政府做的更好我們就把這些項目給他提出來\n\n29\n00:10:21,695 --> 00:10:43,514\n中國的一個資金到逃亡,這個境外的一個資金匯回來他的那個稅務優惠已經是落日了。那就是說3500億的資金申請匯回來中國的從中國匯回來的這些錢有沒有辦法吸引台商回到台灣來投資我們的公社呢?\n\n30\n00:10:44,724 --> 00:10:48,528\n委員報告對於我們那個條例就是資金匯回條例裡面實質匯回的金額大概有3351億那進行國內的實質投資的有1625億所以在國內的投資非常的大那當然我們也希望這些匯回的金額\n\n31\n00:11:04,986 --> 00:11:08,608\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、\n\n32\n00:11:30,863 --> 00:11:56,989\n還是有些人在買ETF?是啊,這個都是一個他們的投資。那它又有一個股價的一個風險,如果我們把這些錢導到了公共的一個建設的話,那你認為這樣不好嗎?好。會很好啊。很好。很好?對,很好。我們就跟委員講一樣,把這個資金能夠投入到公共建設,所以我們要擴大案源,提出更多的投資標的,那我們也會辦招商大會,\n\n33\n00:11:57,749 --> 00:12:24,851\n把相關的投資的一些標的會在我們的我們今年大概6月還是7月7月會辦招商大會然後讓大家知道有什麼樣的公共建設可以投資7月才辦招商大會現在是4月嘛那要我們收集為什麼要辦到那個在7月呢520之後是不是會有一個變數呢不是啦那個我們要把案源收集而且一定是在今年的下半年跟明年上半年可以推出的案子那只會推出兩個場次嗎\n\n34\n00:12:27,773 --> 00:12:51,309\n呃一個場次但是我們還有後續我想一個場次是太少我們都已經知道償戶移民了民間的油資這麼多那我想部長你是一個積極有作為的部長我們應該是要非常有積極性的來處理這些問題我們把更多的一個油資投資在這個公共的建設裡頭那也希望就是說本席在這裡要求就是\n\n35\n00:12:52,330 --> 00:13:13,325\n財政部評估、調整長照扣除額的額度的調整對我們整體的稅收的影響還有你也評估長照跟學權那個特別扣除額的調整比照免稅額自動調整的一個可行性那也拜託你盤點台商在外面資金的一個數量那並且評估資金回台的一個\n\n36\n00:13:14,465 --> 00:13:15,926\n謝謝部長、謝謝委員、謝謝委員的指教下一位質詢請李彥秀、李委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n490\t3874\t財政部部長、收入署署長、還有我們長照師專委王專委王專委請\n11769\t29214\t委員好部長早安我想今天你的報告裡頭我們看到很多的委員都是在提那個列舉那個扣除額的一個增加那我在這裡我想請教那個長照司司那個王專員\n33932\t54560\t這個為什麼這麼多的一個委員這麼多的一個委員他其實在在乎的是錢的問題可是我今天我的角度比較不一樣我認為就是說這個胡老筆跟申報筆不成正筆當然這個部長你看到了這個不成正筆你當然知道原因為什麼申報的戶數僅是5%\n57321\t74144\t那是表示大家都不用長照還是說標準太高那我想就是說市長應該來回應這一個問題到底我們整個長照的一個撫養是不是就是說這個這個標準是不是太嚴苛了呢?\n75861\t103953\t莊委應該是這麼說我們目前可以申報這個扣除額的部分只要是家裡有那個騙雇外勞或者是說他有使用我們長照給支付的部分或者是住宿在機構這樣子的部分都可以去做這個扣除額的申報那剛剛知道啊我現在只是在問你就是你個人你在這個領域裡頭你有看到了就是說整個長照他每個月其實他簡單的講如果我們家裡頭有一個長照老人他可能需要用到了\n104713\t105654\t賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n135654\t152623\t跟委員報告因為主要現在國人大部分就是以這個標準扣除額來做使用那因為這是列舉扣除額那目前因為我們就是他這個部分的話我們的一般的民眾如果他是用列舉的部分才會使用到這個特別扣除額\n153483\t171285\t有沒有太嚴苛了呢?有沒有太嚴苛了呢?我只是要問你的專業,你認為有沒有太嚴苛呢?一般我們現在在這個標準上面應該是沒有太過於嚴苛。沒有太嚴苛?你認為還好?應該涵蓋多數使用長照服務的對象。\n172765\t191254\t當然是用在長照的對象啊。你在回答什麼啦?是專委。是。不好。抱歉。你在回答什麼啦?抱歉。是不是從八樓到九樓你就換了一個腦袋呢?怎麼到這個地方是這樣的一個回答啦?應該是。表示就是說,連你,你是一個專委,你都是這樣的回答了。\n193427\t209282\t好部長這個看起來你的責任更重大了跟委員報告先委員關心這個長照的一個扣除額部分跟委員報告長照他是屬於特別扣除額所以他不是屬於列舉扣除額那只要他符合\n209987\t229689\t衛福部相關的規定的話,那他就可以申請這個長照的特別扣除。那委員這邊提到的一個比例的問題,我想先講就是說,就分母的部分因為是總申報戶數,那分子是申報這個長照特別扣除,那但是因為每一個家戶...對,所以部長,這個原因剛才郭博文委員在講的就是說,\n230570\t236035\t賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n252388\t277214\t蔣子德一個增加的時候,我們其實都沒有就是去調整到,就是我們的那個通盤。現在就是要提醒你就是說,我們是不是用比較不同的一個另類的一個思考,在這個長照裡頭,我們怎麼樣來照顧這些老人,怎麼樣讓這些要照顧,我們這些付薪水的要照顧老人,這一些人,\n277994\t294330\t這群人也可以就是說隨著通盤的調整我們這樣的一個工具給他做這樣的一個調整啊。是是我知道你認為合不合理目前因為目前並沒有隨著CPI的調整我想委員這樣的建議我們會納入一併來演繹的把它就是說未來可以隨從\n295371\t315040\t類似身心障礙的一個特別扣除而來一起來做調整。我想這個部分委員的建議我們會一併納入考量。是。是。是。所以我覺得說這個是一個非常合理也就是說非常務實我們看待這個問題的真正的一個他需要的一個需要面。這樣子才有辦法真正的就是解決長照的這個問題。我們不管就是說\n318771\t336788\t這個時候就是在賴副總統他的宣誓就是長照他是800億還是未來有很多委員已經喊到1000億的那我覺得說我們應該正式就是通盤應該把他一樣就是放進來那一樣的去參考的話你會比較落實\n337569\t352461\t是,謝謝委員這個建議。那在長照是許多面向,那稅是其中的一個項目。那其實我想衛福部這邊對於長照的相關的一些補貼、支應、輔助都有一些支出的一些\n353181\t355662\t賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n380426\t400950\t呃學前特別扣除額在今年的年初的已經公佈新的修正我們把學前特別扣除額的金額已經大幅提高不僅是在呃所得稅優化之前其實只有2萬塊後來大幅提高到12萬那在今年呃修法的時候把第一個孩子就是15萬就6歲以下的一個第一個孩子15萬那第二個孩子以後的都是22萬5000元都有做大幅的一些調整了\n404591\t408034\t賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n425248\t436071\t賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23\n449594\t474997\t可不可以藉由就是PVP的一個模式政府去購買服務然後政府不用付錢那政府也不用舉債又可以就是有大量的一個公共的一個建設一個投資然後地方的一個就是民間的一個油資也不會那個掉到就是草房裡頭去那是不是有更合理的一個方式呢你認為呢\n477046\t503353\t謝謝委員,我想民間,我們也很希望民間的資金能夠透進入到公共建設,然後讓我們的公共建設可以加速的完成,讓民眾可以享受到更好的公共服務。那比如說您這邊提到的社宅,那我們的促參法修正已經把社宅納入了這個公共所謂促參法可以適用的一個項目,而且它如果是屬於重大公共建設的話還可以享受相關的租稅優惠。那至於委員所提到政府\n503533\t513863\t郭文貴等23人等24人等25人等26人等28人等30人等31人等32人等34人等35人等36人等37人等38人等39人等40人等41人等42人等45人等46人等47人等48人等49人等49人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50\n527016\t551883\t寬寬的花錢,不要一下子這個財務負擔太重。但是我們這個部分是因為它沒有自償性,有些公共服務並沒有自償性,所以由民間經營然後政府去購買,當然它要符合一個好的服務。如果它沒有自償性的話,如果我們要透過就是整個立法還是我們整個稅法的一個改變,讓這個民間更多的一個錢,我們把它就是把它\n552403\t574053\t我們現在不喜歡他我們把錢換到他們把錢換到黃地產裡頭去我們可不可能把錢鎖在這個公社裡頭那這樣子的話他有合理的一個報酬然後又有就是說一個非常好的一個那個稅負的一個優惠是不是有可能有這樣的一個機會呢\n575715\t581102\t委員這個提示非常的好也就是說我們吸引民間的資金進來要給他誘因嘛要給他誘因那給他誘因的話有關稅負的減免裡面在促參法裡面就有相關的比如說他的引鎖稅引鎖稅還有那個\n591194\t615250\t還有那個關稅也可以減免他要進行相關的建設所需要的設備的話關稅可以減免然後地價稅跟房屋稅也有相關的減免的一些規定所以在稅賦上有一些優惠那另外呢我們也會擴大一些這個案源也就是說對於政府購買公共服務的部分我們也會去做政策性的評估哪一些有必要性而且急迫性的而且政府來民間來做比政府做的更好我們就把這些項目給他提出來\n621695\t643514\t中國的一個資金到逃亡,這個境外的一個資金匯回來他的那個稅務優惠已經是落日了。那就是說3500億的資金申請匯回來中國的從中國匯回來的這些錢有沒有辦法吸引台商回到台灣來投資我們的公社呢?\n644724\t648528\t委員報告對於我們那個條例就是資金匯回條例裡面實質匯回的金額大概有3351億那進行國內的實質投資的有1625億所以在國內的投資非常的大那當然我們也希望這些匯回的金額\n664986\t668608\t蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、\n690863\t716989\t還是有些人在買ETF?是啊,這個都是一個他們的投資。那它又有一個股價的一個風險,如果我們把這些錢導到了公共的一個建設的話,那你認為這樣不好嗎?好。會很好啊。很好。很好?對,很好。我們就跟委員講一樣,把這個資金能夠投入到公共建設,所以我們要擴大案源,提出更多的投資標的,那我們也會辦招商大會,\n717749\t744851\t把相關的投資的一些標的會在我們的我們今年大概6月還是7月7月會辦招商大會然後讓大家知道有什麼樣的公共建設可以投資7月才辦招商大會現在是4月嘛那要我們收集為什麼要辦到那個在7月呢520之後是不是會有一個變數呢不是啦那個我們要把案源收集而且一定是在今年的下半年跟明年上半年可以推出的案子那只會推出兩個場次嗎\n747773\t771309\t呃一個場次但是我們還有後續我想一個場次是太少我們都已經知道償戶移民了民間的油資這麼多那我想部長你是一個積極有作為的部長我們應該是要非常有積極性的來處理這些問題我們把更多的一個油資投資在這個公共的建設裡頭那也希望就是說本席在這裡要求就是\n772330\t793325\t財政部評估、調整長照扣除額的額度的調整對我們整體的稅收的影響還有你也評估長照跟學權那個特別扣除額的調整比照免稅額自動調整的一個可行性那也拜託你盤點台商在外面資金的一個數量那並且評估資金回台的一個\n794465\t795926\t謝謝部長、謝謝委員、謝謝委員的指教下一位質詢請李彥秀、李委員\n","txt":"財政部部長、收入署署長、還有我們長照師專委王專委王專委請\n委員好部長早安我想今天你的報告裡頭我們看到很多的委員都是在提那個列舉那個扣除額的一個增加那我在這裡我想請教那個長照司司那個王專員\n這個為什麼這麼多的一個委員這麼多的一個委員他其實在在乎的是錢的問題可是我今天我的角度比較不一樣我認為就是說這個胡老筆跟申報筆不成正筆當然這個部長你看到了這個不成正筆你當然知道原因為什麼申報的戶數僅是5%\n那是表示大家都不用長照還是說標準太高那我想就是說市長應該來回應這一個問題到底我們整個長照的一個撫養是不是就是說這個這個標準是不是太嚴苛了呢?\n莊委應該是這麼說我們目前可以申報這個扣除額的部分只要是家裡有那個騙雇外勞或者是說他有使用我們長照給支付的部分或者是住宿在機構這樣子的部分都可以去做這個扣除額的申報那剛剛知道啊我現在只是在問你就是你個人你在這個領域裡頭你有看到了就是說整個長照他每個月其實他簡單的講如果我們家裡頭有一個長照老人他可能需要用到了\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n跟委員報告因為主要現在國人大部分就是以這個標準扣除額來做使用那因為這是列舉扣除額那目前因為我們就是他這個部分的話我們的一般的民眾如果他是用列舉的部分才會使用到這個特別扣除額\n有沒有太嚴苛了呢?有沒有太嚴苛了呢?我只是要問你的專業,你認為有沒有太嚴苛呢?一般我們現在在這個標準上面應該是沒有太過於嚴苛。沒有太嚴苛?你認為還好?應該涵蓋多數使用長照服務的對象。\n當然是用在長照的對象啊。你在回答什麼啦?是專委。是。不好。抱歉。你在回答什麼啦?抱歉。是不是從八樓到九樓你就換了一個腦袋呢?怎麼到這個地方是這樣的一個回答啦?應該是。表示就是說,連你,你是一個專委,你都是這樣的回答了。\n好部長這個看起來你的責任更重大了跟委員報告先委員關心這個長照的一個扣除額部分跟委員報告長照他是屬於特別扣除額所以他不是屬於列舉扣除額那只要他符合\n衛福部相關的規定的話,那他就可以申請這個長照的特別扣除。那委員這邊提到的一個比例的問題,我想先講就是說,就分母的部分因為是總申報戶數,那分子是申報這個長照特別扣除,那但是因為每一個家戶...對,所以部長,這個原因剛才郭博文委員在講的就是說,\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n蔣子德一個增加的時候,我們其實都沒有就是去調整到,就是我們的那個通盤。現在就是要提醒你就是說,我們是不是用比較不同的一個另類的一個思考,在這個長照裡頭,我們怎麼樣來照顧這些老人,怎麼樣讓這些要照顧,我們這些付薪水的要照顧老人,這一些人,\n這群人也可以就是說隨著通盤的調整我們這樣的一個工具給他做這樣的一個調整啊。是是我知道你認為合不合理目前因為目前並沒有隨著CPI的調整我想委員這樣的建議我們會納入一併來演繹的把它就是說未來可以隨從\n類似身心障礙的一個特別扣除而來一起來做調整。我想這個部分委員的建議我們會一併納入考量。是。是。是。所以我覺得說這個是一個非常合理也就是說非常務實我們看待這個問題的真正的一個他需要的一個需要面。這樣子才有辦法真正的就是解決長照的這個問題。我們不管就是說\n這個時候就是在賴副總統他的宣誓就是長照他是800億還是未來有很多委員已經喊到1000億的那我覺得說我們應該正式就是通盤應該把他一樣就是放進來那一樣的去參考的話你會比較落實\n是,謝謝委員這個建議。那在長照是許多面向,那稅是其中的一個項目。那其實我想衛福部這邊對於長照的相關的一些補貼、支應、輔助都有一些支出的一些\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n呃學前特別扣除額在今年的年初的已經公佈新的修正我們把學前特別扣除額的金額已經大幅提高不僅是在呃所得稅優化之前其實只有2萬塊後來大幅提高到12萬那在今年呃修法的時候把第一個孩子就是15萬就6歲以下的一個第一個孩子15萬那第二個孩子以後的都是22萬5000元都有做大幅的一些調整了\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23\n可不可以藉由就是PVP的一個模式政府去購買服務然後政府不用付錢那政府也不用舉債又可以就是有大量的一個公共的一個建設一個投資然後地方的一個就是民間的一個油資也不會那個掉到就是草房裡頭去那是不是有更合理的一個方式呢你認為呢\n謝謝委員,我想民間,我們也很希望民間的資金能夠透進入到公共建設,然後讓我們的公共建設可以加速的完成,讓民眾可以享受到更好的公共服務。那比如說您這邊提到的社宅,那我們的促參法修正已經把社宅納入了這個公共所謂促參法可以適用的一個項目,而且它如果是屬於重大公共建設的話還可以享受相關的租稅優惠。那至於委員所提到政府\n郭文貴等23人等24人等25人等26人等28人等30人等31人等32人等34人等35人等36人等37人等38人等39人等40人等41人等42人等45人等46人等47人等48人等49人等49人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50\n寬寬的花錢,不要一下子這個財務負擔太重。但是我們這個部分是因為它沒有自償性,有些公共服務並沒有自償性,所以由民間經營然後政府去購買,當然它要符合一個好的服務。如果它沒有自償性的話,如果我們要透過就是整個立法還是我們整個稅法的一個改變,讓這個民間更多的一個錢,我們把它就是把它\n我們現在不喜歡他我們把錢換到他們把錢換到黃地產裡頭去我們可不可能把錢鎖在這個公社裡頭那這樣子的話他有合理的一個報酬然後又有就是說一個非常好的一個那個稅負的一個優惠是不是有可能有這樣的一個機會呢\n委員這個提示非常的好也就是說我們吸引民間的資金進來要給他誘因嘛要給他誘因那給他誘因的話有關稅負的減免裡面在促參法裡面就有相關的比如說他的引鎖稅引鎖稅還有那個\n還有那個關稅也可以減免他要進行相關的建設所需要的設備的話關稅可以減免然後地價稅跟房屋稅也有相關的減免的一些規定所以在稅賦上有一些優惠那另外呢我們也會擴大一些這個案源也就是說對於政府購買公共服務的部分我們也會去做政策性的評估哪一些有必要性而且急迫性的而且政府來民間來做比政府做的更好我們就把這些項目給他提出來\n中國的一個資金到逃亡,這個境外的一個資金匯回來他的那個稅務優惠已經是落日了。那就是說3500億的資金申請匯回來中國的從中國匯回來的這些錢有沒有辦法吸引台商回到台灣來投資我們的公社呢?\n委員報告對於我們那個條例就是資金匯回條例裡面實質匯回的金額大概有3351億那進行國內的實質投資的有1625億所以在國內的投資非常的大那當然我們也希望這些匯回的金額\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、\n還是有些人在買ETF?是啊,這個都是一個他們的投資。那它又有一個股價的一個風險,如果我們把這些錢導到了公共的一個建設的話,那你認為這樣不好嗎?好。會很好啊。很好。很好?對,很好。我們就跟委員講一樣,把這個資金能夠投入到公共建設,所以我們要擴大案源,提出更多的投資標的,那我們也會辦招商大會,\n把相關的投資的一些標的會在我們的我們今年大概6月還是7月7月會辦招商大會然後讓大家知道有什麼樣的公共建設可以投資7月才辦招商大會現在是4月嘛那要我們收集為什麼要辦到那個在7月呢520之後是不是會有一個變數呢不是啦那個我們要把案源收集而且一定是在今年的下半年跟明年上半年可以推出的案子那只會推出兩個場次嗎\n呃一個場次但是我們還有後續我想一個場次是太少我們都已經知道償戶移民了民間的油資這麼多那我想部長你是一個積極有作為的部長我們應該是要非常有積極性的來處理這些問題我們把更多的一個油資投資在這個公共的建設裡頭那也希望就是說本席在這裡要求就是\n財政部評估、調整長照扣除額的額度的調整對我們整體的稅收的影響還有你也評估長照跟學權那個特別扣除額的調整比照免稅額自動調整的一個可行性那也拜託你盤點台商在外面資金的一個數量那並且評估資金回台的一個\n謝謝部長、謝謝委員、謝謝委員的指教下一位質詢請李彥秀、李委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.490 --> 00:03.874\n財政部部長、收入署署長、還有我們長照師專委王專委王專委請\n\n00:11.769 --> 00:29.214\n委員好部長早安我想今天你的報告裡頭我們看到很多的委員都是在提那個列舉那個扣除額的一個增加那我在這裡我想請教那個長照司司那個王專員\n\n00:33.932 --> 00:54.560\n這個為什麼這麼多的一個委員這麼多的一個委員他其實在在乎的是錢的問題可是我今天我的角度比較不一樣我認為就是說這個胡老筆跟申報筆不成正筆當然這個部長你看到了這個不成正筆你當然知道原因為什麼申報的戶數僅是5%\n\n00:57.321 --> 01:14.144\n那是表示大家都不用長照還是說標準太高那我想就是說市長應該來回應這一個問題到底我們整個長照的一個撫養是不是就是說這個這個標準是不是太嚴苛了呢?\n\n01:15.861 --> 01:43.953\n莊委應該是這麼說我們目前可以申報這個扣除額的部分只要是家裡有那個騙雇外勞或者是說他有使用我們長照給支付的部分或者是住宿在機構這樣子的部分都可以去做這個扣除額的申報那剛剛知道啊我現在只是在問你就是你個人你在這個領域裡頭你有看到了就是說整個長照他每個月其實他簡單的講如果我們家裡頭有一個長照老人他可能需要用到了\n\n01:44.713 --> 01:45.654\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n02:15.654 --> 02:32.623\n跟委員報告因為主要現在國人大部分就是以這個標準扣除額來做使用那因為這是列舉扣除額那目前因為我們就是他這個部分的話我們的一般的民眾如果他是用列舉的部分才會使用到這個特別扣除額\n\n02:33.483 --> 02:51.285\n有沒有太嚴苛了呢?有沒有太嚴苛了呢?我只是要問你的專業,你認為有沒有太嚴苛呢?一般我們現在在這個標準上面應該是沒有太過於嚴苛。沒有太嚴苛?你認為還好?應該涵蓋多數使用長照服務的對象。\n\n02:52.765 --> 03:11.254\n當然是用在長照的對象啊。你在回答什麼啦?是專委。是。不好。抱歉。你在回答什麼啦?抱歉。是不是從八樓到九樓你就換了一個腦袋呢?怎麼到這個地方是這樣的一個回答啦?應該是。表示就是說,連你,你是一個專委,你都是這樣的回答了。\n\n03:13.427 --> 03:29.282\n好部長這個看起來你的責任更重大了跟委員報告先委員關心這個長照的一個扣除額部分跟委員報告長照他是屬於特別扣除額所以他不是屬於列舉扣除額那只要他符合\n\n03:29.987 --> 03:49.689\n衛福部相關的規定的話,那他就可以申請這個長照的特別扣除。那委員這邊提到的一個比例的問題,我想先講就是說,就分母的部分因為是總申報戶數,那分子是申報這個長照特別扣除,那但是因為每一個家戶...對,所以部長,這個原因剛才郭博文委員在講的就是說,\n\n03:50.570 --> 03:56.035\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n04:12.388 --> 04:37.214\n蔣子德一個增加的時候,我們其實都沒有就是去調整到,就是我們的那個通盤。現在就是要提醒你就是說,我們是不是用比較不同的一個另類的一個思考,在這個長照裡頭,我們怎麼樣來照顧這些老人,怎麼樣讓這些要照顧,我們這些付薪水的要照顧老人,這一些人,\n\n04:37.994 --> 04:54.330\n這群人也可以就是說隨著通盤的調整我們這樣的一個工具給他做這樣的一個調整啊。是是我知道你認為合不合理目前因為目前並沒有隨著CPI的調整我想委員這樣的建議我們會納入一併來演繹的把它就是說未來可以隨從\n\n04:55.371 --> 05:15.040\n類似身心障礙的一個特別扣除而來一起來做調整。我想這個部分委員的建議我們會一併納入考量。是。是。是。所以我覺得說這個是一個非常合理也就是說非常務實我們看待這個問題的真正的一個他需要的一個需要面。這樣子才有辦法真正的就是解決長照的這個問題。我們不管就是說\n\n05:18.771 --> 05:36.788\n這個時候就是在賴副總統他的宣誓就是長照他是800億還是未來有很多委員已經喊到1000億的那我覺得說我們應該正式就是通盤應該把他一樣就是放進來那一樣的去參考的話你會比較落實\n\n05:37.569 --> 05:52.461\n是,謝謝委員這個建議。那在長照是許多面向,那稅是其中的一個項目。那其實我想衛福部這邊對於長照的相關的一些補貼、支應、輔助都有一些支出的一些\n\n05:53.181 --> 05:55.662\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n06:20.426 --> 06:40.950\n呃學前特別扣除額在今年的年初的已經公佈新的修正我們把學前特別扣除額的金額已經大幅提高不僅是在呃所得稅優化之前其實只有2萬塊後來大幅提高到12萬那在今年呃修法的時候把第一個孩子就是15萬就6歲以下的一個第一個孩子15萬那第二個孩子以後的都是22萬5000元都有做大幅的一些調整了\n\n06:44.591 --> 06:48.034\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n07:05.248 --> 07:16.071\n賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23人、委員賴慧琪等23\n\n07:29.594 --> 07:54.997\n可不可以藉由就是PVP的一個模式政府去購買服務然後政府不用付錢那政府也不用舉債又可以就是有大量的一個公共的一個建設一個投資然後地方的一個就是民間的一個油資也不會那個掉到就是草房裡頭去那是不是有更合理的一個方式呢你認為呢\n\n07:57.046 --> 08:23.353\n謝謝委員,我想民間,我們也很希望民間的資金能夠透進入到公共建設,然後讓我們的公共建設可以加速的完成,讓民眾可以享受到更好的公共服務。那比如說您這邊提到的社宅,那我們的促參法修正已經把社宅納入了這個公共所謂促參法可以適用的一個項目,而且它如果是屬於重大公共建設的話還可以享受相關的租稅優惠。那至於委員所提到政府\n\n08:23.533 --> 08:33.863\n郭文貴等23人等24人等25人等26人等28人等30人等31人等32人等34人等35人等36人等37人等38人等39人等40人等41人等42人等45人等46人等47人等48人等49人等49人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50人等50\n\n08:47.016 --> 09:11.883\n寬寬的花錢,不要一下子這個財務負擔太重。但是我們這個部分是因為它沒有自償性,有些公共服務並沒有自償性,所以由民間經營然後政府去購買,當然它要符合一個好的服務。如果它沒有自償性的話,如果我們要透過就是整個立法還是我們整個稅法的一個改變,讓這個民間更多的一個錢,我們把它就是把它\n\n09:12.403 --> 09:34.053\n我們現在不喜歡他我們把錢換到他們把錢換到黃地產裡頭去我們可不可能把錢鎖在這個公社裡頭那這樣子的話他有合理的一個報酬然後又有就是說一個非常好的一個那個稅負的一個優惠是不是有可能有這樣的一個機會呢\n\n09:35.715 --> 09:41.102\n委員這個提示非常的好也就是說我們吸引民間的資金進來要給他誘因嘛要給他誘因那給他誘因的話有關稅負的減免裡面在促參法裡面就有相關的比如說他的引鎖稅引鎖稅還有那個\n\n09:51.194 --> 10:15.250\n還有那個關稅也可以減免他要進行相關的建設所需要的設備的話關稅可以減免然後地價稅跟房屋稅也有相關的減免的一些規定所以在稅賦上有一些優惠那另外呢我們也會擴大一些這個案源也就是說對於政府購買公共服務的部分我們也會去做政策性的評估哪一些有必要性而且急迫性的而且政府來民間來做比政府做的更好我們就把這些項目給他提出來\n\n10:21.695 --> 10:43.514\n中國的一個資金到逃亡,這個境外的一個資金匯回來他的那個稅務優惠已經是落日了。那就是說3500億的資金申請匯回來中國的從中國匯回來的這些錢有沒有辦法吸引台商回到台灣來投資我們的公社呢?\n\n10:44.724 --> 10:48.528\n委員報告對於我們那個條例就是資金匯回條例裡面實質匯回的金額大概有3351億那進行國內的實質投資的有1625億所以在國內的投資非常的大那當然我們也希望這些匯回的金額\n\n11:04.986 --> 11:08.608\n蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、\n\n11:30.863 --> 11:56.989\n還是有些人在買ETF?是啊,這個都是一個他們的投資。那它又有一個股價的一個風險,如果我們把這些錢導到了公共的一個建設的話,那你認為這樣不好嗎?好。會很好啊。很好。很好?對,很好。我們就跟委員講一樣,把這個資金能夠投入到公共建設,所以我們要擴大案源,提出更多的投資標的,那我們也會辦招商大會,\n\n11:57.749 --> 12:24.851\n把相關的投資的一些標的會在我們的我們今年大概6月還是7月7月會辦招商大會然後讓大家知道有什麼樣的公共建設可以投資7月才辦招商大會現在是4月嘛那要我們收集為什麼要辦到那個在7月呢520之後是不是會有一個變數呢不是啦那個我們要把案源收集而且一定是在今年的下半年跟明年上半年可以推出的案子那只會推出兩個場次嗎\n\n12:27.773 --> 12:51.309\n呃一個場次但是我們還有後續我想一個場次是太少我們都已經知道償戶移民了民間的油資這麼多那我想部長你是一個積極有作為的部長我們應該是要非常有積極性的來處理這些問題我們把更多的一個油資投資在這個公共的建設裡頭那也希望就是說本席在這裡要求就是\n\n12:52.330 --> 13:13.325\n財政部評估、調整長照扣除額的額度的調整對我們整體的稅收的影響還有你也評估長照跟學權那個特別扣除額的調整比照免稅額自動調整的一個可行性那也拜託你盤點台商在外面資金的一個數量那並且評估資金回台的一個\n\n13:14.465 --> 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