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00:00:00,149\n莊委員長\n\n2\n00:00:08,953 --> 00:00:35,306\n委員好部長早安4月3號這一場大地震我想震出了很多的問題在財政部這邊我們確實也有相關的策略跟陰影在媒體上我也都看到就是有關於我們災害損失的稅捐減免的部分這一次除了花蓮是6級以上之外其他地區也都4到5級所以其實是全國都有大大小小的災情那有關我們稅捐的\n\n3\n00:00:37,307 --> 00:01:03,220\n剪稅跟減免的部分明年5月就要報所得稅時我們就要列舉相關可以扣除額這個部分我有在媒體上看到但是我們國稅局發布的新聞當中特別強調災害發生後的30天之內就要跟轄區的稅爭機關辦理我知道這個是根據我們稅捐法相關的規定但是30天之內\n\n4\n00:01:04,321 --> 00:01:30,707\n就要做這個相關的申請跟辦理以花蓮來說我相信非常困難不要說以花蓮來說現在全國各地都在缺工跟缺顏料有些民眾跟我陳情說想要貨比三家想要來報個價沒有人來報價現在隨便找一家來報價他可能兩三個月之後才能來做你要下個月緊急來做他可能又要再加錢\n\n5\n00:01:32,742 --> 00:01:53,718\n所以現在的規範跟規定我覺得30天已經過時因為現在台灣有缺工跟物料上漲的問題那全國的災區其實現在都在調度一些資源所以民眾現在面臨的狀況是無工可修無料可教的窘境\n\n6\n00:01:54,482 --> 00:02:10,150\n那現在光是修立即要修可能又要加價一兩個月到底他會是什麼樣的價錢他根本沒有辦法估了價錢到最後拿到了帳單的價錢是不一樣的部長我說到這邊你能理解嗎\n\n7\n00:02:11,357 --> 00:02:18,507\n李慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員\n\n8\n00:02:26,517 --> 00:02:53,367\n2月6號美濃大地震當時是張山政院長當時的財政部長是張勝和他有針對於國稅局延長寄出各項稅單包括減免的時間申請延長為三個月包括921的大地震2009年莫克拉風災還有美濃大地震當時我們都有延長申報所以針對今年我們的申報目前還是規劃在一個月\n\n9\n00:02:55,390 --> 00:03:07,078\n有沒有機會放寬?跟委員報告好像委員非常關心這一次的各地區的一個災害那在花蓮地區呢我們的北區國稅局已經讓他們延長為三個月不再是一個月不再是一個月那部長不是只有花蓮嗎?而且有專人去輔導對\n\n10\n00:03:15,857 --> 00:03:32,512\n花蓮以外地區民眾可能也需要一些比較長的時間。包括有一些社區的地下室都有大的裂縫,現在要找供水電來修、來認證那客戶要出多少錢,他都可能延長到一兩個月之後。\n\n11\n00:03:33,493 --> 00:03:39,198\n我相信這種狀況其實你非常清楚台北市也有好幾棟是那我想這樣子好不好那是如果有我們可以這些就是說他有這個災損他可以先來報金額是可以晚一點報因為他先告訴我們說有這樣的一個災損情形比如說照片啊或者是的我覺得這個部分要延長為三個月我覺得我們可以再通盤考量是不是全部地區我們再來通盤考量對謝謝部長\n\n12\n00:03:58,955 --> 00:04:12,790\n我覺得我們要人性化更去思考這些事情民眾要在一個月之內要把家裡東西整理好心情已經不好了然後又要去面對我要到處找廠商沒空沒空沒空\n\n13\n00:04:14,111 --> 00:04:14,651\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n14\n00:04:36,644 --> 00:04:58,277\n應該要做更完整的思考。然後要把也能夠細緻的一些更詳細的說明,讓民眾知道怎麼樣來申報。好,謝謝部長的答覆。好,那我第二個問題就要回到今天的議題的處理。我們今天提的是稅法、修法的問題,這是特別強調到特別扣除額的部分。\n\n15\n00:05:00,078 --> 00:05:24,608\n割除額的部分其實我們基本上政府的課稅是課稅的基礎其實扣掉免稅跟扣除額的部分就其實從所得稅的金額部分但是我們免稅跟扣除額的部分其實我們強調的就是民眾的生存必要的費用跟最低的限度那我們目前的扣除額其實在長照的特別扣除額的部分是每一年每個人是扣除12萬\n\n16\n00:05:26,309 --> 00:05:33,154\n部長今天所有很多委員有提不同的版本我看到你的回應是你都不贊成答案是你都不贊成嘛\n\n17\n00:05:37,418 --> 00:05:53,090\n我想委員因為各委員還有黨團都提出了有關長照這個部分的特別扣除金額各不相同那我想這個部分我們必須要做通盤的考量然後也要看維持維護財政的一個穩健的情況下來做考量您的維護財政您當然跟委員報告這個長照這個部長沒關係因為我今天時間有限我先請問你以目前扣除12萬\n\n18\n00:06:03,732 --> 00:06:31,412\n你覺得是不是一個合理的數字我們如果光看這個數字的話也許大家會覺得不符合實際但是我們知道長照的朋友們他事實上他也是一個身心障礙者那身心障礙者他其實也有特別扣除大概21萬8千部長部長我們要提的是其實是照顧身心失能者每個人扣除了對對對你知道照顧一個身心以現在嫂子話來說我的小孩未來要照顧\n\n19\n00:06:32,653 --> 00:06:41,779\n爺爺奶奶外公外婆爸爸媽媽每一個人可能有六七個老人要負擔每一個接下來的小孩子我們下一代的小孩子可能都有這麼大的負擔我覺得以幾個數字來說包括平均現在照顧花費每一個人平均花費就要21923塊\n\n20\n00:06:52,185 --> 00:07:07,016\n更何況包括這個照顧關懷總會他們接下來的數字其實包括照顧下一張我們看下一張包括邀請顧用本級看護要32,973塊顧用外級看護要29,191塊然後你如果有機會你可以申請到住宿的話住宿的話那每一個月是24,411塊所以我講這些數字這些問題以後你我都會面臨到這些問題\n\n21\n00:07:23,035 --> 00:07:41,949\n你也非常清楚如果是現行我們要去住的話它對於我們的下一代來說它就是一個負擔所以我才會說12萬它其實不是一個合理的數字所以我覺得我們在討論這些議題的時候不是只去考量到稅期的損失\n\n22\n00:07:43,274 --> 00:08:11,493\n你是財政部部長但是你也是行政院整個團隊當中的一份子我覺得政府的角度在思考這些事情的時候不是只考慮到稅基應該站在如何從實際跟稅基當中跟人民實際的狀況當中取得一個更完美的平衡點部長所以我要強調的是你的12萬是不合理的我們應該更站在人民苦民所苦的角度上去處理這些議題\n\n23\n00:08:13,334 --> 00:08:21,287\n所以我不希望我從目前至少我看到的數字是你都反對這些數字包括今天提出來各式各樣的版本\n\n24\n00:08:22,412 --> 00:08:51,427\n所以我期待的是我們的政府其實是關注人民生活的而不是不管人民死活我只考慮到人民稅基不要忘記雖然你是財政部部長你也是整個行政團隊當中的一份子我們強調說我們是一個民主國家我們是一個全民政府所以我希望在討論長照扣除了這件事情我覺得應該更站在人民的思考點去思考我們高齡化社會之後\n\n25\n00:08:52,455 --> 00:09:09,674\n我們都要去思考這些事情因為接下來長輩的照顧會越來越多而且這些負擔費用通膨之後只會越來越高我希望部長在考慮這個議案的時候12萬應該要提高它絕對不是一個合理的數字\n\n26\n00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:36,317\n呃...委員我...我...要再說明一下這個12萬這個情況然後但是我們認為長照的部分當然這個金額可以再來做討論也就各個版本都有我們來...來再做通盤的考量但是長照這件事情呃...不是只有稅在減免上可以讓他們得到更好的照顧我想政府在各方面的配合的措施上也是有的我想...各部會我們都會去持續我想跟委員要說說你...但是我覺得它是一個很重要的誘因我覺得各部會都應該對\n\n27\n00:09:39,179 --> 00:09:55,112\n要去做更多的思考你這邊也是大家都互相推來推去的時候就什麼都沒有不是這樣那因為其實如果說他原來就是屬於比如說經濟弱勢的話他根本沒有要交所得稅如果你把這個地方提高對他來說沒有說經濟弱勢其實對於一個壽星階級白領階級對他來說這些都是費用他可以省的稅他可以省掉對他來說都是一點每一點對他來說都是非常重要的部長我要強調這一點\n\n28\n00:10:08,063 --> 00:10:08,924\n現在質詢請王世堅、王偉文\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n129\t149\t莊委員長\n8953\t35306\t委員好部長早安4月3號這一場大地震我想震出了很多的問題在財政部這邊我們確實也有相關的策略跟陰影在媒體上我也都看到就是有關於我們災害損失的稅捐減免的部分這一次除了花蓮是6級以上之外其他地區也都4到5級所以其實是全國都有大大小小的災情那有關我們稅捐的\n37307\t63220\t剪稅跟減免的部分明年5月就要報所得稅時我們就要列舉相關可以扣除額這個部分我有在媒體上看到但是我們國稅局發布的新聞當中特別強調災害發生後的30天之內就要跟轄區的稅爭機關辦理我知道這個是根據我們稅捐法相關的規定但是30天之內\n64321\t90707\t就要做這個相關的申請跟辦理以花蓮來說我相信非常困難不要說以花蓮來說現在全國各地都在缺工跟缺顏料有些民眾跟我陳情說想要貨比三家想要來報個價沒有人來報價現在隨便找一家來報價他可能兩三個月之後才能來做你要下個月緊急來做他可能又要再加錢\n92742\t113718\t所以現在的規範跟規定我覺得30天已經過時因為現在台灣有缺工跟物料上漲的問題那全國的災區其實現在都在調度一些資源所以民眾現在面臨的狀況是無工可修無料可教的窘境\n114482\t130150\t那現在光是修立即要修可能又要加價一兩個月到底他會是什麼樣的價錢他根本沒有辦法估了價錢到最後拿到了帳單的價錢是不一樣的部長我說到這邊你能理解嗎\n131357\t138507\t李慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員\n146517\t173367\t2月6號美濃大地震當時是張山政院長當時的財政部長是張勝和他有針對於國稅局延長寄出各項稅單包括減免的時間申請延長為三個月包括921的大地震2009年莫克拉風災還有美濃大地震當時我們都有延長申報所以針對今年我們的申報目前還是規劃在一個月\n175390\t187078\t有沒有機會放寬?跟委員報告好像委員非常關心這一次的各地區的一個災害那在花蓮地區呢我們的北區國稅局已經讓他們延長為三個月不再是一個月不再是一個月那部長不是只有花蓮嗎?而且有專人去輔導對\n195857\t212512\t花蓮以外地區民眾可能也需要一些比較長的時間。包括有一些社區的地下室都有大的裂縫,現在要找供水電來修、來認證那客戶要出多少錢,他都可能延長到一兩個月之後。\n213493\t219198\t我相信這種狀況其實你非常清楚台北市也有好幾棟是那我想這樣子好不好那是如果有我們可以這些就是說他有這個災損他可以先來報金額是可以晚一點報因為他先告訴我們說有這樣的一個災損情形比如說照片啊或者是的我覺得這個部分要延長為三個月我覺得我們可以再通盤考量是不是全部地區我們再來通盤考量對謝謝部長\n238955\t252790\t我覺得我們要人性化更去思考這些事情民眾要在一個月之內要把家裡東西整理好心情已經不好了然後又要去面對我要到處找廠商沒空沒空沒空\n254111\t254651\t賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n276644\t298277\t應該要做更完整的思考。然後要把也能夠細緻的一些更詳細的說明,讓民眾知道怎麼樣來申報。好,謝謝部長的答覆。好,那我第二個問題就要回到今天的議題的處理。我們今天提的是稅法、修法的問題,這是特別強調到特別扣除額的部分。\n300078\t324608\t割除額的部分其實我們基本上政府的課稅是課稅的基礎其實扣掉免稅跟扣除額的部分就其實從所得稅的金額部分但是我們免稅跟扣除額的部分其實我們強調的就是民眾的生存必要的費用跟最低的限度那我們目前的扣除額其實在長照的特別扣除額的部分是每一年每個人是扣除12萬\n326309\t333154\t部長今天所有很多委員有提不同的版本我看到你的回應是你都不贊成答案是你都不贊成嘛\n337418\t353090\t我想委員因為各委員還有黨團都提出了有關長照這個部分的特別扣除金額各不相同那我想這個部分我們必須要做通盤的考量然後也要看維持維護財政的一個穩健的情況下來做考量您的維護財政您當然跟委員報告這個長照這個部長沒關係因為我今天時間有限我先請問你以目前扣除12萬\n363732\t391412\t你覺得是不是一個合理的數字我們如果光看這個數字的話也許大家會覺得不符合實際但是我們知道長照的朋友們他事實上他也是一個身心障礙者那身心障礙者他其實也有特別扣除大概21萬8千部長部長我們要提的是其實是照顧身心失能者每個人扣除了對對對你知道照顧一個身心以現在嫂子話來說我的小孩未來要照顧\n392653\t401779\t爺爺奶奶外公外婆爸爸媽媽每一個人可能有六七個老人要負擔每一個接下來的小孩子我們下一代的小孩子可能都有這麼大的負擔我覺得以幾個數字來說包括平均現在照顧花費每一個人平均花費就要21923塊\n412185\t427016\t更何況包括這個照顧關懷總會他們接下來的數字其實包括照顧下一張我們看下一張包括邀請顧用本級看護要32,973塊顧用外級看護要29,191塊然後你如果有機會你可以申請到住宿的話住宿的話那每一個月是24,411塊所以我講這些數字這些問題以後你我都會面臨到這些問題\n443035\t461949\t你也非常清楚如果是現行我們要去住的話它對於我們的下一代來說它就是一個負擔所以我才會說12萬它其實不是一個合理的數字所以我覺得我們在討論這些議題的時候不是只去考量到稅期的損失\n463274\t491493\t你是財政部部長但是你也是行政院整個團隊當中的一份子我覺得政府的角度在思考這些事情的時候不是只考慮到稅基應該站在如何從實際跟稅基當中跟人民實際的狀況當中取得一個更完美的平衡點部長所以我要強調的是你的12萬是不合理的我們應該更站在人民苦民所苦的角度上去處理這些議題\n493334\t501287\t所以我不希望我從目前至少我看到的數字是你都反對這些數字包括今天提出來各式各樣的版本\n502412\t531427\t所以我期待的是我們的政府其實是關注人民生活的而不是不管人民死活我只考慮到人民稅基不要忘記雖然你是財政部部長你也是整個行政團隊當中的一份子我們強調說我們是一個民主國家我們是一個全民政府所以我希望在討論長照扣除了這件事情我覺得應該更站在人民的思考點去思考我們高齡化社會之後\n532455\t549674\t我們都要去思考這些事情因為接下來長輩的照顧會越來越多而且這些負擔費用通膨之後只會越來越高我希望部長在考慮這個議案的時候12萬應該要提高它絕對不是一個合理的數字\n550675\t576317\t呃...委員我...我...要再說明一下這個12萬這個情況然後但是我們認為長照的部分當然這個金額可以再來做討論也就各個版本都有我們來...來再做通盤的考量但是長照這件事情呃...不是只有稅在減免上可以讓他們得到更好的照顧我想政府在各方面的配合的措施上也是有的我想...各部會我們都會去持續我想跟委員要說說你...但是我覺得它是一個很重要的誘因我覺得各部會都應該對\n579179\t595112\t要去做更多的思考你這邊也是大家都互相推來推去的時候就什麼都沒有不是這樣那因為其實如果說他原來就是屬於比如說經濟弱勢的話他根本沒有要交所得稅如果你把這個地方提高對他來說沒有說經濟弱勢其實對於一個壽星階級白領階級對他來說這些都是費用他可以省的稅他可以省掉對他來說都是一點每一點對他來說都是非常重要的部長我要強調這一點\n608063\t608924\t現在質詢請王世堅、王偉文\n","txt":"莊委員長\n委員好部長早安4月3號這一場大地震我想震出了很多的問題在財政部這邊我們確實也有相關的策略跟陰影在媒體上我也都看到就是有關於我們災害損失的稅捐減免的部分這一次除了花蓮是6級以上之外其他地區也都4到5級所以其實是全國都有大大小小的災情那有關我們稅捐的\n剪稅跟減免的部分明年5月就要報所得稅時我們就要列舉相關可以扣除額這個部分我有在媒體上看到但是我們國稅局發布的新聞當中特別強調災害發生後的30天之內就要跟轄區的稅爭機關辦理我知道這個是根據我們稅捐法相關的規定但是30天之內\n就要做這個相關的申請跟辦理以花蓮來說我相信非常困難不要說以花蓮來說現在全國各地都在缺工跟缺顏料有些民眾跟我陳情說想要貨比三家想要來報個價沒有人來報價現在隨便找一家來報價他可能兩三個月之後才能來做你要下個月緊急來做他可能又要再加錢\n所以現在的規範跟規定我覺得30天已經過時因為現在台灣有缺工跟物料上漲的問題那全國的災區其實現在都在調度一些資源所以民眾現在面臨的狀況是無工可修無料可教的窘境\n那現在光是修立即要修可能又要加價一兩個月到底他會是什麼樣的價錢他根本沒有辦法估了價錢到最後拿到了帳單的價錢是不一樣的部長我說到這邊你能理解嗎\n李慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員\n2月6號美濃大地震當時是張山政院長當時的財政部長是張勝和他有針對於國稅局延長寄出各項稅單包括減免的時間申請延長為三個月包括921的大地震2009年莫克拉風災還有美濃大地震當時我們都有延長申報所以針對今年我們的申報目前還是規劃在一個月\n有沒有機會放寬?跟委員報告好像委員非常關心這一次的各地區的一個災害那在花蓮地區呢我們的北區國稅局已經讓他們延長為三個月不再是一個月不再是一個月那部長不是只有花蓮嗎?而且有專人去輔導對\n花蓮以外地區民眾可能也需要一些比較長的時間。包括有一些社區的地下室都有大的裂縫,現在要找供水電來修、來認證那客戶要出多少錢,他都可能延長到一兩個月之後。\n我相信這種狀況其實你非常清楚台北市也有好幾棟是那我想這樣子好不好那是如果有我們可以這些就是說他有這個災損他可以先來報金額是可以晚一點報因為他先告訴我們說有這樣的一個災損情形比如說照片啊或者是的我覺得這個部分要延長為三個月我覺得我們可以再通盤考量是不是全部地區我們再來通盤考量對謝謝部長\n我覺得我們要人性化更去思考這些事情民眾要在一個月之內要把家裡東西整理好心情已經不好了然後又要去面對我要到處找廠商沒空沒空沒空\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n應該要做更完整的思考。然後要把也能夠細緻的一些更詳細的說明,讓民眾知道怎麼樣來申報。好,謝謝部長的答覆。好,那我第二個問題就要回到今天的議題的處理。我們今天提的是稅法、修法的問題,這是特別強調到特別扣除額的部分。\n割除額的部分其實我們基本上政府的課稅是課稅的基礎其實扣掉免稅跟扣除額的部分就其實從所得稅的金額部分但是我們免稅跟扣除額的部分其實我們強調的就是民眾的生存必要的費用跟最低的限度那我們目前的扣除額其實在長照的特別扣除額的部分是每一年每個人是扣除12萬\n部長今天所有很多委員有提不同的版本我看到你的回應是你都不贊成答案是你都不贊成嘛\n我想委員因為各委員還有黨團都提出了有關長照這個部分的特別扣除金額各不相同那我想這個部分我們必須要做通盤的考量然後也要看維持維護財政的一個穩健的情況下來做考量您的維護財政您當然跟委員報告這個長照這個部長沒關係因為我今天時間有限我先請問你以目前扣除12萬\n你覺得是不是一個合理的數字我們如果光看這個數字的話也許大家會覺得不符合實際但是我們知道長照的朋友們他事實上他也是一個身心障礙者那身心障礙者他其實也有特別扣除大概21萬8千部長部長我們要提的是其實是照顧身心失能者每個人扣除了對對對你知道照顧一個身心以現在嫂子話來說我的小孩未來要照顧\n爺爺奶奶外公外婆爸爸媽媽每一個人可能有六七個老人要負擔每一個接下來的小孩子我們下一代的小孩子可能都有這麼大的負擔我覺得以幾個數字來說包括平均現在照顧花費每一個人平均花費就要21923塊\n更何況包括這個照顧關懷總會他們接下來的數字其實包括照顧下一張我們看下一張包括邀請顧用本級看護要32,973塊顧用外級看護要29,191塊然後你如果有機會你可以申請到住宿的話住宿的話那每一個月是24,411塊所以我講這些數字這些問題以後你我都會面臨到這些問題\n你也非常清楚如果是現行我們要去住的話它對於我們的下一代來說它就是一個負擔所以我才會說12萬它其實不是一個合理的數字所以我覺得我們在討論這些議題的時候不是只去考量到稅期的損失\n你是財政部部長但是你也是行政院整個團隊當中的一份子我覺得政府的角度在思考這些事情的時候不是只考慮到稅基應該站在如何從實際跟稅基當中跟人民實際的狀況當中取得一個更完美的平衡點部長所以我要強調的是你的12萬是不合理的我們應該更站在人民苦民所苦的角度上去處理這些議題\n所以我不希望我從目前至少我看到的數字是你都反對這些數字包括今天提出來各式各樣的版本\n所以我期待的是我們的政府其實是關注人民生活的而不是不管人民死活我只考慮到人民稅基不要忘記雖然你是財政部部長你也是整個行政團隊當中的一份子我們強調說我們是一個民主國家我們是一個全民政府所以我希望在討論長照扣除了這件事情我覺得應該更站在人民的思考點去思考我們高齡化社會之後\n我們都要去思考這些事情因為接下來長輩的照顧會越來越多而且這些負擔費用通膨之後只會越來越高我希望部長在考慮這個議案的時候12萬應該要提高它絕對不是一個合理的數字\n呃...委員我...我...要再說明一下這個12萬這個情況然後但是我們認為長照的部分當然這個金額可以再來做討論也就各個版本都有我們來...來再做通盤的考量但是長照這件事情呃...不是只有稅在減免上可以讓他們得到更好的照顧我想政府在各方面的配合的措施上也是有的我想...各部會我們都會去持續我想跟委員要說說你...但是我覺得它是一個很重要的誘因我覺得各部會都應該對\n要去做更多的思考你這邊也是大家都互相推來推去的時候就什麼都沒有不是這樣那因為其實如果說他原來就是屬於比如說經濟弱勢的話他根本沒有要交所得稅如果你把這個地方提高對他來說沒有說經濟弱勢其實對於一個壽星階級白領階級對他來說這些都是費用他可以省的稅他可以省掉對他來說都是一點每一點對他來說都是非常重要的部長我要強調這一點\n現在質詢請王世堅、王偉文\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.129 --> 00:00.149\n莊委員長\n\n00:08.953 --> 00:35.306\n委員好部長早安4月3號這一場大地震我想震出了很多的問題在財政部這邊我們確實也有相關的策略跟陰影在媒體上我也都看到就是有關於我們災害損失的稅捐減免的部分這一次除了花蓮是6級以上之外其他地區也都4到5級所以其實是全國都有大大小小的災情那有關我們稅捐的\n\n00:37.307 --> 01:03.220\n剪稅跟減免的部分明年5月就要報所得稅時我們就要列舉相關可以扣除額這個部分我有在媒體上看到但是我們國稅局發布的新聞當中特別強調災害發生後的30天之內就要跟轄區的稅爭機關辦理我知道這個是根據我們稅捐法相關的規定但是30天之內\n\n01:04.321 --> 01:30.707\n就要做這個相關的申請跟辦理以花蓮來說我相信非常困難不要說以花蓮來說現在全國各地都在缺工跟缺顏料有些民眾跟我陳情說想要貨比三家想要來報個價沒有人來報價現在隨便找一家來報價他可能兩三個月之後才能來做你要下個月緊急來做他可能又要再加錢\n\n01:32.742 --> 01:53.718\n所以現在的規範跟規定我覺得30天已經過時因為現在台灣有缺工跟物料上漲的問題那全國的災區其實現在都在調度一些資源所以民眾現在面臨的狀況是無工可修無料可教的窘境\n\n01:54.482 --> 02:10.150\n那現在光是修立即要修可能又要加價一兩個月到底他會是什麼樣的價錢他根本沒有辦法估了價錢到最後拿到了帳單的價錢是不一樣的部長我說到這邊你能理解嗎\n\n02:11.357 --> 02:18.507\n李慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員賴慧琼等19人、委員\n\n02:26.517 --> 02:53.367\n2月6號美濃大地震當時是張山政院長當時的財政部長是張勝和他有針對於國稅局延長寄出各項稅單包括減免的時間申請延長為三個月包括921的大地震2009年莫克拉風災還有美濃大地震當時我們都有延長申報所以針對今年我們的申報目前還是規劃在一個月\n\n02:55.390 --> 03:07.078\n有沒有機會放寬?跟委員報告好像委員非常關心這一次的各地區的一個災害那在花蓮地區呢我們的北區國稅局已經讓他們延長為三個月不再是一個月不再是一個月那部長不是只有花蓮嗎?而且有專人去輔導對\n\n03:15.857 --> 03:32.512\n花蓮以外地區民眾可能也需要一些比較長的時間。包括有一些社區的地下室都有大的裂縫,現在要找供水電來修、來認證那客戶要出多少錢,他都可能延長到一兩個月之後。\n\n03:33.493 --> 03:39.198\n我相信這種狀況其實你非常清楚台北市也有好幾棟是那我想這樣子好不好那是如果有我們可以這些就是說他有這個災損他可以先來報金額是可以晚一點報因為他先告訴我們說有這樣的一個災損情形比如說照片啊或者是的我覺得這個部分要延長為三個月我覺得我們可以再通盤考量是不是全部地區我們再來通盤考量對謝謝部長\n\n03:58.955 --> 04:12.790\n我覺得我們要人性化更去思考這些事情民眾要在一個月之內要把家裡東西整理好心情已經不好了然後又要去面對我要到處找廠商沒空沒空沒空\n\n04:14.111 --> 04:14.651\n賴慧琳、賴慧琳、賴慧琳、\n\n04:36.644 --> 04:58.277\n應該要做更完整的思考。然後要把也能夠細緻的一些更詳細的說明,讓民眾知道怎麼樣來申報。好,謝謝部長的答覆。好,那我第二個問題就要回到今天的議題的處理。我們今天提的是稅法、修法的問題,這是特別強調到特別扣除額的部分。\n\n05:00.078 --> 05:24.608\n割除額的部分其實我們基本上政府的課稅是課稅的基礎其實扣掉免稅跟扣除額的部分就其實從所得稅的金額部分但是我們免稅跟扣除額的部分其實我們強調的就是民眾的生存必要的費用跟最低的限度那我們目前的扣除額其實在長照的特別扣除額的部分是每一年每個人是扣除12萬\n\n05:26.309 --> 05:33.154\n部長今天所有很多委員有提不同的版本我看到你的回應是你都不贊成答案是你都不贊成嘛\n\n05:37.418 --> 05:53.090\n我想委員因為各委員還有黨團都提出了有關長照這個部分的特別扣除金額各不相同那我想這個部分我們必須要做通盤的考量然後也要看維持維護財政的一個穩健的情況下來做考量您的維護財政您當然跟委員報告這個長照這個部長沒關係因為我今天時間有限我先請問你以目前扣除12萬\n\n06:03.732 --> 06:31.412\n你覺得是不是一個合理的數字我們如果光看這個數字的話也許大家會覺得不符合實際但是我們知道長照的朋友們他事實上他也是一個身心障礙者那身心障礙者他其實也有特別扣除大概21萬8千部長部長我們要提的是其實是照顧身心失能者每個人扣除了對對對你知道照顧一個身心以現在嫂子話來說我的小孩未來要照顧\n\n06:32.653 --> 06:41.779\n爺爺奶奶外公外婆爸爸媽媽每一個人可能有六七個老人要負擔每一個接下來的小孩子我們下一代的小孩子可能都有這麼大的負擔我覺得以幾個數字來說包括平均現在照顧花費每一個人平均花費就要21923塊\n\n06:52.185 --> 07:07.016\n更何況包括這個照顧關懷總會他們接下來的數字其實包括照顧下一張我們看下一張包括邀請顧用本級看護要32,973塊顧用外級看護要29,191塊然後你如果有機會你可以申請到住宿的話住宿的話那每一個月是24,411塊所以我講這些數字這些問題以後你我都會面臨到這些問題\n\n07:23.035 --> 07:41.949\n你也非常清楚如果是現行我們要去住的話它對於我們的下一代來說它就是一個負擔所以我才會說12萬它其實不是一個合理的數字所以我覺得我們在討論這些議題的時候不是只去考量到稅期的損失\n\n07:43.274 --> 08:11.493\n你是財政部部長但是你也是行政院整個團隊當中的一份子我覺得政府的角度在思考這些事情的時候不是只考慮到稅基應該站在如何從實際跟稅基當中跟人民實際的狀況當中取得一個更完美的平衡點部長所以我要強調的是你的12萬是不合理的我們應該更站在人民苦民所苦的角度上去處理這些議題\n\n08:13.334 --> 08:21.287\n所以我不希望我從目前至少我看到的數字是你都反對這些數字包括今天提出來各式各樣的版本\n\n08:22.412 --> 08:51.427\n所以我期待的是我們的政府其實是關注人民生活的而不是不管人民死活我只考慮到人民稅基不要忘記雖然你是財政部部長你也是整個行政團隊當中的一份子我們強調說我們是一個民主國家我們是一個全民政府所以我希望在討論長照扣除了這件事情我覺得應該更站在人民的思考點去思考我們高齡化社會之後\n\n08:52.455 --> 09:09.674\n我們都要去思考這些事情因為接下來長輩的照顧會越來越多而且這些負擔費用通膨之後只會越來越高我希望部長在考慮這個議案的時候12萬應該要提高它絕對不是一個合理的數字\n\n09:10.675 --> 09:36.317\n呃...委員我...我...要再說明一下這個12萬這個情況然後但是我們認為長照的部分當然這個金額可以再來做討論也就各個版本都有我們來...來再做通盤的考量但是長照這件事情呃...不是只有稅在減免上可以讓他們得到更好的照顧我想政府在各方面的配合的措施上也是有的我想...各部會我們都會去持續我想跟委員要說說你...但是我覺得它是一個很重要的誘因我覺得各部會都應該對\n\n09:39.179 --> 09:55.112\n要去做更多的思考你這邊也是大家都互相推來推去的時候就什麼都沒有不是這樣那因為其實如果說他原來就是屬於比如說經濟弱勢的話他根本沒有要交所得稅如果你把這個地方提高對他來說沒有說經濟弱勢其實對於一個壽星階級白領階級對他來說這些都是費用他可以省的稅他可以省掉對他來說都是一點每一點對他來說都是非常重要的部長我要強調這一點\n\n10:08.063 --> 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