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00:01:51,769\n林宜瑾教授\n\n7\n00:02:13,707 --> 00:02:42,150\n那教育部對於這樣子的狀況有什麼樣的協助的措施那是不是可以依他原本入學的這個收費標準練到畢業那如果說准公幼不符合規定退場那應該會增登對於私校嘛特別是私幼好那問題來了那他既然不符合規定那他的私幼可以再繼續經營嗎這個都是我覺得這個都是教育部要對外完整的說明那請次長簡單說明\n\n8\n00:02:43,591 --> 00:02:55,840\n謝謝委員關心准公幼的幼生家長的權利如果准公幼A園在不續約可能是自行不續約或者退場孩子要轉到B園去他權利照走但是因為他有一些適應的問題讓他強迫他離園這樣也強而所難\n\n9\n00:03:08,368 --> 00:03:13,271\n因為這是不可歸則於家長跟孩子的權利所以我們部長在上個禮拜的晨會有特別按照這樣的邏輯去推演對於不可歸則於家長這樣的錯誤的我們要給他更多的幫助也就是說他沒有辦法馬上離遠的我們就給他一些補助補貼到他畢業原則上我記得是半年補助到學期結束\n\n10\n00:03:37,727 --> 00:03:45,112\n在原本的原所在原本的原所那可是原本的原所他如果退場了他就是變私有了他不是准工了\n\n11\n00:03:46,014 --> 00:04:04,504\n但是這是在我們的單書裡面會給予多餘的保障．因為家長是善意的第三人．所以我們應該給他充滿保障這合理這個邏輯就是應該說准工他退場．他不跟政府合作．他就變私誘可是我現在的問題是說．這個私誘既然是不符合我們的規定．這個規定是准工用的規定．不過他不符合規定．這個私誘會繼續經營下去．\n\n12\n00:04:15,390 --> 00:04:16,511\n現世公幼遭受少子化衝擊加上準公幼申請增加\n\n13\n00:04:34,887 --> 00:05:02,817\n公幼招生招不滿這是很多縣市發生的問題那可是我們要擴大公共教保管幼兒教保公共化那我覺得就應該要投資更多的資源在公幼裡面所以本席看到說准公幼每學期都可以申請設備、課程教學、輔導補助但是公幼的設施設備補助三年只能申請一次\n\n14\n00:05:03,557 --> 00:05:27,745\n所以這是不是有經費排擠的疑慮這是一個問題另外當然我樂見我們公幼在今年的寒暑假我們有平價的這個延長照顧的服務那想請教說今年公幼寒假的留院的實施狀況如何那就要不知道有沒有掌握有多少鼻翼的孩子有使用到這項的服務那當然我也關心說今年7月我們將要推動150個\n\n15\n00:05:30,486 --> 00:05:34,168\n公共化幼兒園來試辦臨時照顧服務美元會增加一名人力只增加一名人力夠嗎?這個都是想要請教次長的問題謝委員關心公幼的設備費以前是三年申請一次\n\n16\n00:05:49,397 --> 00:06:10,852\n那剛才也有多位委員同時建議我們再來盤點我們的資源如果有急需補助的我覺得應該不受限於這三年一次應該是要這樣這是合理的那另外公幼的留托今年的暑假1月就開始寒假寒假寒假開始寒假收托數大概87%的公立幼兒園已經開辦留園\n\n17\n00:06:21,570 --> 00:06:36,280\n88.7%從7月開始開始有一個所謂的零拖您說的是說一個人的照顧人力可能不足我們再盤底下因為也許現有的非營利幼兒園他就臨時讓人家嫁孩子嫁孩子來\n\n18\n00:06:39,462 --> 00:06:39,582\n林宜瑾議員\n\n19\n00:07:02,051 --> 00:07:10,137\n對於家長有很多的便利所以以後對於公幼的招生量的提升是有幫助因為法務品質就比較好那接下來想要跟您討論說現在有公立幼兒園出現這個半班編制的問題\n\n20\n00:07:17,443 --> 00:07:24,688\n依照現行幼照法第16條規定．我們2歲幼兒班級上限是16人．所以師生比是1比8．8歲幼兒班級上限是30．當然．師生比是1比15．現在幼照法是這樣規定．可是以3歲以上的班級為例．現在正常運作是．一個班有兩個．\n\n21\n00:07:41,420 --> 00:08:10,323\n教保服務人員一起帶30個孩子可是現在很多的縣市都這樣就是有這樣的一個狀況所謂的出現了半班的編制那半班的編制就是說班級我給半班那所以就是一個教保服務人員來帶孩子那雖然這樣的做法看起來沒有違法可是我覺得這個罔顧現場的教學品質不用說因為幼兒園的孩子其實沒有很高的自治人\n\n22\n00:08:10,663 --> 00:08:22,791\n自理能力一個老師不夠那對那如果一個老師像說他要去上廁所或者他有其他緊急的事情要離開這個教學現場你放15個孩子在那我覺得這個你本來有兩個本來一班有兩個那我另外一個還可以cover那你如果說有給半班的編制那只剩一個那一個老師是完全不能離開現場所以我覺得這個問題變得很嚴重\n\n23\n00:08:38,923 --> 00:08:43,849\n這個我沒有發現,南部某一個縣市他因為預算不足還是怎樣,把班級,比如說50個,他就弄一個45個一班30個人,兩個老師合理,那另外剩下15個他變成半班的人在那裡\n\n24\n00:08:55,543 --> 00:08:55,763\n林宜瑾議員\n\n25\n00:09:26,063 --> 00:09:33,967\n我們應該會給他一個行論指導這樣的誤用1比15的計算式其實是千千萬萬不可啦好那另外想跟你談喔剛剛也有委員提到今天是4月10號那剛好教改已經30年那30年經過政黨輪替所以很多的政策跟施政其實也絕非民進黨所為\n\n26\n00:09:52,216 --> 00:10:19,769\n可是我們是執政黨所以我們就要虛心接受各方的這個指教那面對教改我相信教育部也聽很多意見那當年四大訴求還沿遊在耳我那時候也有去參加遊行落實小班小校廣設高中大學推動教育現代化制定教育基本法秦院次長你要怎麼看這30年教育的發展那可是由媒體的下標是寫這個\n\n27\n00:10:21,650 --> 00:10:45,055\n教改三十年,俄國反世,你有認同嗎?是有人提出說在三十年的教改這樣的歷程下來經過不同政黨的輪替那目前由本黨來執政我們有責任義務延續這之前所累積的相關的弊病來做一下檢討\n\n28\n00:10:46,715 --> 00:10:47,636\n410教改有它的時代背景\n\n29\n00:11:02,745 --> 00:11:30,171\n那時候產業正朝向資本密集的發展那也在民主化的初期那好那我覺得現在當然廣設高中大學這一點當然是批評的最厲害的地方那有人說大學太多讓學歷的貶值啊有說國家鼓勵一些不需要讀大學的人來讀大學有人說這個學大學太多那面對少子女化的問題就變成相當棘手可是我還是認為這個\n\n30\n00:11:32,111 --> 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那問題來了那他既然不符合規定那他的私幼可以再繼續經營嗎這個都是我覺得這個都是教育部要對外完整的說明那請次長簡單說明\n163591\t175840\t謝謝委員關心准公幼的幼生家長的權利如果准公幼A園在不續約可能是自行不續約或者退場孩子要轉到B園去他權利照走但是因為他有一些適應的問題讓他強迫他離園這樣也強而所難\n188368\t193271\t因為這是不可歸則於家長跟孩子的權利所以我們部長在上個禮拜的晨會有特別按照這樣的邏輯去推演對於不可歸則於家長這樣的錯誤的我們要給他更多的幫助也就是說他沒有辦法馬上離遠的我們就給他一些補助補貼到他畢業原則上我記得是半年補助到學期結束\n217727\t225112\t在原本的原所在原本的原所那可是原本的原所他如果退場了他就是變私有了他不是准工了\n226014\t244504\t但是這是在我們的單書裡面會給予多餘的保障．因為家長是善意的第三人．所以我們應該給他充滿保障這合理這個邏輯就是應該說准工他退場．他不跟政府合作．他就變私誘可是我現在的問題是說．這個私誘既然是不符合我們的規定．這個規定是准工用的規定．不過他不符合規定．這個私誘會繼續經營下去．\n255390\t256511\t現世公幼遭受少子化衝擊加上準公幼申請增加\n274887\t302817\t公幼招生招不滿這是很多縣市發生的問題那可是我們要擴大公共教保管幼兒教保公共化那我覺得就應該要投資更多的資源在公幼裡面所以本席看到說准公幼每學期都可以申請設備、課程教學、輔導補助但是公幼的設施設備補助三年只能申請一次\n303557\t327745\t所以這是不是有經費排擠的疑慮這是一個問題另外當然我樂見我們公幼在今年的寒暑假我們有平價的這個延長照顧的服務那想請教說今年公幼寒假的留院的實施狀況如何那就要不知道有沒有掌握有多少鼻翼的孩子有使用到這項的服務那當然我也關心說今年7月我們將要推動150個\n330486\t334168\t公共化幼兒園來試辦臨時照顧服務美元會增加一名人力只增加一名人力夠嗎?這個都是想要請教次長的問題謝委員關心公幼的設備費以前是三年申請一次\n349397\t370852\t那剛才也有多位委員同時建議我們再來盤點我們的資源如果有急需補助的我覺得應該不受限於這三年一次應該是要這樣這是合理的那另外公幼的留托今年的暑假1月就開始寒假寒假寒假開始寒假收托數大概87%的公立幼兒園已經開辦留園\n381570\t396280\t88.7%從7月開始開始有一個所謂的零拖您說的是說一個人的照顧人力可能不足我們再盤底下因為也許現有的非營利幼兒園他就臨時讓人家嫁孩子嫁孩子來\n399462\t399582\t林宜瑾議員\n422051\t430137\t對於家長有很多的便利所以以後對於公幼的招生量的提升是有幫助因為法務品質就比較好那接下來想要跟您討論說現在有公立幼兒園出現這個半班編制的問題\n437443\t444688\t依照現行幼照法第16條規定．我們2歲幼兒班級上限是16人．所以師生比是1比8．8歲幼兒班級上限是30．當然．師生比是1比15．現在幼照法是這樣規定．可是以3歲以上的班級為例．現在正常運作是．一個班有兩個．\n461420\t490323\t教保服務人員一起帶30個孩子可是現在很多的縣市都這樣就是有這樣的一個狀況所謂的出現了半班的編制那半班的編制就是說班級我給半班那所以就是一個教保服務人員來帶孩子那雖然這樣的做法看起來沒有違法可是我覺得這個罔顧現場的教學品質不用說因為幼兒園的孩子其實沒有很高的自治人\n490663\t502791\t自理能力一個老師不夠那對 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那問題來了那他既然不符合規定那他的私幼可以再繼續經營嗎這個都是我覺得這個都是教育部要對外完整的說明那請次長簡單說明\n謝謝委員關心准公幼的幼生家長的權利如果准公幼A園在不續約可能是自行不續約或者退場孩子要轉到B園去他權利照走但是因為他有一些適應的問題讓他強迫他離園這樣也強而所難\n因為這是不可歸則於家長跟孩子的權利所以我們部長在上個禮拜的晨會有特別按照這樣的邏輯去推演對於不可歸則於家長這樣的錯誤的我們要給他更多的幫助也就是說他沒有辦法馬上離遠的我們就給他一些補助補貼到他畢業原則上我記得是半年補助到學期結束\n在原本的原所在原本的原所那可是原本的原所他如果退場了他就是變私有了他不是准工了\n但是這是在我們的單書裡面會給予多餘的保障．因為家長是善意的第三人．所以我們應該給他充滿保障這合理這個邏輯就是應該說准工他退場．他不跟政府合作．他就變私誘可是我現在的問題是說．這個私誘既然是不符合我們的規定．這個規定是准工用的規定．不過他不符合規定．這個私誘會繼續經營下去．\n現世公幼遭受少子化衝擊加上準公幼申請增加\n公幼招生招不滿這是很多縣市發生的問題那可是我們要擴大公共教保管幼兒教保公共化那我覺得就應該要投資更多的資源在公幼裡面所以本席看到說准公幼每學期都可以申請設備、課程教學、輔導補助但是公幼的設施設備補助三年只能申請一次\n所以這是不是有經費排擠的疑慮這是一個問題另外當然我樂見我們公幼在今年的寒暑假我們有平價的這個延長照顧的服務那想請教說今年公幼寒假的留院的實施狀況如何那就要不知道有沒有掌握有多少鼻翼的孩子有使用到這項的服務那當然我也關心說今年7月我們將要推動150個\n公共化幼兒園來試辦臨時照顧服務美元會增加一名人力只增加一名人力夠嗎?這個都是想要請教次長的問題謝委員關心公幼的設備費以前是三年申請一次\n那剛才也有多位委員同時建議我們再來盤點我們的資源如果有急需補助的我覺得應該不受限於這三年一次應該是要這樣這是合理的那另外公幼的留托今年的暑假1月就開始寒假寒假寒假開始寒假收托數大概87%的公立幼兒園已經開辦留園\n88.7%從7月開始開始有一個所謂的零拖您說的是說一個人的照顧人力可能不足我們再盤底下因為也許現有的非營利幼兒園他就臨時讓人家嫁孩子嫁孩子來\n林宜瑾議員\n對於家長有很多的便利所以以後對於公幼的招生量的提升是有幫助因為法務品質就比較好那接下來想要跟您討論說現在有公立幼兒園出現這個半班編制的問題\n依照現行幼照法第16條規定．我們2歲幼兒班級上限是16人．所以師生比是1比8．8歲幼兒班級上限是30．當然．師生比是1比15．現在幼照法是這樣規定．可是以3歲以上的班級為例．現在正常運作是．一個班有兩個．\n教保服務人員一起帶30個孩子可是現在很多的縣市都這樣就是有這樣的一個狀況所謂的出現了半班的編制那半班的編制就是說班級我給半班那所以就是一個教保服務人員來帶孩子那雖然這樣的做法看起來沒有違法可是我覺得這個罔顧現場的教學品質不用說因為幼兒園的孩子其實沒有很高的自治人\n自理能力一個老師不夠那對 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00:05.093\n準攻第三期即將在8月上路之前本席有諮詢過退場機制跟準攻保護人員薪資的議題所以本席今天還是要持續關注如果孩子就讀的準攻不符\n\n00:28.271 --> 00:28.511\n委員會主席\n\n00:43.942 --> 01:00.332\n那我們就會協調這個安置到其他評價的幼兒園嘛那如果沒有辦法安置那我們也會演繹說在一定的期間給予合理的協助我是要向大家說如果安置學生到其他評價的幼兒園那會造成幾個問題\n\n01:02.013 --> 01:25.146\n從供需層面來看接受安置學生的幼兒園那原本他的教保服務人員的人力如果沒有增加的情況之下那恐怕他的原本的教保服務人員負擔就會加重那這樣的話你原本就讀的這個孩子跟被安置的孩子都會受到影響那我們怎麼可以與安置的這個幼兒園協助\n\n01:25.786 --> 01:29.550\n本席提醒說有些幼兒園的孩子對於環境、同學、老師是比較敏感所以說如果孩子練到大班\n\n01:51.229 --> 01:51.769\n林宜瑾教授\n\n02:13.707 --> 02:42.150\n那教育部對於這樣子的狀況有什麼樣的協助的措施那是不是可以依他原本入學的這個收費標準練到畢業那如果說准公幼不符合規定退場那應該會增登對於私校嘛特別是私幼好那問題來了那他既然不符合規定那他的私幼可以再繼續經營嗎這個都是我覺得這個都是教育部要對外完整的說明那請次長簡單說明\n\n02:43.591 --> 02:55.840\n謝謝委員關心准公幼的幼生家長的權利如果准公幼A園在不續約可能是自行不續約或者退場孩子要轉到B園去他權利照走但是因為他有一些適應的問題讓他強迫他離園這樣也強而所難\n\n03:08.368 --> 03:13.271\n因為這是不可歸則於家長跟孩子的權利所以我們部長在上個禮拜的晨會有特別按照這樣的邏輯去推演對於不可歸則於家長這樣的錯誤的我們要給他更多的幫助也就是說他沒有辦法馬上離遠的我們就給他一些補助補貼到他畢業原則上我記得是半年補助到學期結束\n\n03:37.727 --> 03:45.112\n在原本的原所在原本的原所那可是原本的原所他如果退場了他就是變私有了他不是准工了\n\n03:46.014 --> 04:04.504\n但是這是在我們的單書裡面會給予多餘的保障．因為家長是善意的第三人．所以我們應該給他充滿保障這合理這個邏輯就是應該說准工他退場．他不跟政府合作．他就變私誘可是我現在的問題是說．這個私誘既然是不符合我們的規定．這個規定是准工用的規定．不過他不符合規定．這個私誘會繼續經營下去．\n\n04:15.390 --> 04:16.511\n現世公幼遭受少子化衝擊加上準公幼申請增加\n\n04:34.887 --> 05:02.817\n公幼招生招不滿這是很多縣市發生的問題那可是我們要擴大公共教保管幼兒教保公共化那我覺得就應該要投資更多的資源在公幼裡面所以本席看到說准公幼每學期都可以申請設備、課程教學、輔導補助但是公幼的設施設備補助三年只能申請一次\n\n05:03.557 --> 05:27.745\n所以這是不是有經費排擠的疑慮這是一個問題另外當然我樂見我們公幼在今年的寒暑假我們有平價的這個延長照顧的服務那想請教說今年公幼寒假的留院的實施狀況如何那就要不知道有沒有掌握有多少鼻翼的孩子有使用到這項的服務那當然我也關心說今年7月我們將要推動150個\n\n05:30.486 --> 05:34.168\n公共化幼兒園來試辦臨時照顧服務美元會增加一名人力只增加一名人力夠嗎?這個都是想要請教次長的問題謝委員關心公幼的設備費以前是三年申請一次\n\n05:49.397 --> 06:10.852\n那剛才也有多位委員同時建議我們再來盤點我們的資源如果有急需補助的我覺得應該不受限於這三年一次應該是要這樣這是合理的那另外公幼的留托今年的暑假1月就開始寒假寒假寒假開始寒假收托數大概87%的公立幼兒園已經開辦留園\n\n06:21.570 --> 06:36.280\n88.7%從7月開始開始有一個所謂的零拖您說的是說一個人的照顧人力可能不足我們再盤底下因為也許現有的非營利幼兒園他就臨時讓人家嫁孩子嫁孩子來\n\n06:39.462 --> 06:39.582\n林宜瑾議員\n\n07:02.051 --> 07:10.137\n對於家長有很多的便利所以以後對於公幼的招生量的提升是有幫助因為法務品質就比較好那接下來想要跟您討論說現在有公立幼兒園出現這個半班編制的問題\n\n07:17.443 --> 07:24.688\n依照現行幼照法第16條規定．我們2歲幼兒班級上限是16人．所以師生比是1比8．8歲幼兒班級上限是30．當然．師生比是1比15．現在幼照法是這樣規定．可是以3歲以上的班級為例．現在正常運作是．一個班有兩個．\n\n07:41.420 --> 08:10.323\n教保服務人員一起帶30個孩子可是現在很多的縣市都這樣就是有這樣的一個狀況所謂的出現了半班的編制那半班的編制就是說班級我給半班那所以就是一個教保服務人員來帶孩子那雖然這樣的做法看起來沒有違法可是我覺得這個罔顧現場的教學品質不用說因為幼兒園的孩子其實沒有很高的自治人\n\n08:10.663 --> 08:22.791\n自理能力一個老師不夠那對那如果一個老師像說他要去上廁所或者他有其他緊急的事情要離開這個教學現場你放15個孩子在那我覺得這個你本來有兩個本來一班有兩個那我另外一個還可以cover那你如果說有給半班的編制那只剩一個那一個老師是完全不能離開現場所以我覺得這個問題變得很嚴重\n\n08:38.923 --> 08:43.849\n這個我沒有發現,南部某一個縣市他因為預算不足還是怎樣,把班級,比如說50個,他就弄一個45個一班30個人,兩個老師合理,那另外剩下15個他變成半班的人在那裡\n\n08:55.543 --> 08:55.763\n林宜瑾議員\n\n09:26.063 --> 09:33.967\n我們應該會給他一個行論指導這樣的誤用1比15的計算式其實是千千萬萬不可啦好那另外想跟你談喔剛剛也有委員提到今天是4月10號那剛好教改已經30年那30年經過政黨輪替所以很多的政策跟施政其實也絕非民進黨所為\n\n09:52.216 --> 10:19.769\n可是我們是執政黨所以我們就要虛心接受各方的這個指教那面對教改我相信教育部也聽很多意見那當年四大訴求還沿遊在耳我那時候也有去參加遊行落實小班小校廣設高中大學推動教育現代化制定教育基本法秦院次長你要怎麼看這30年教育的發展那可是由媒體的下標是寫這個\n\n10:21.650 --> 10:45.055\n教改三十年,俄國反世,你有認同嗎?是有人提出說在三十年的教改這樣的歷程下來經過不同政黨的輪替那目前由本黨來執政我們有責任義務延續這之前所累積的相關的弊病來做一下檢討\n\n10:46.715 --> 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