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委員。"],["李委員坤城：好，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝。現在質詢請黃珊珊黃委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":72,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-7","speakers":["羅明才","賴士葆","林德福","楊瓊瓔","王正旭","黃捷","吳宗憲","黃珊珊","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","王世堅","顏寬恒","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","黃國昌","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:34,086\n麻煩我一個一個來問好了4月3號花蓮大地震當然我們都表達哀悼之意當然後續的重建工作也開始陸陸續續開始接下來又要再開始要報稅4月3號的花蓮地震我們其實財政部也在第一時間提醒說受債戶要損失的一些稅捐要減免要及時來申報你們網站上面有寫到說有9個稅捐抵免的申報\n\n5\n00:01:39,950 --> 00:02:00,406\n那除了這個營業稅還有娛樂稅之外呢其他的要求吼都是限期三十天這限期三十天那請問一下這部長因為這個大地震之後吼這個很多災民吼災後重建吼也需要一些時間那你又限期他三十天吼必須要申報完這個有沒有一些彈性寬限的一個期間吶\n\n6\n00:02:03,195 --> 00:02:25,552\n呃,委員,呃,跟委員報告,我想這邊的30天其實對民眾尤其是花蓮地區的一個受到重大災害的可能時間不足,我們這個部分會來通案處理,把時間要延長。對,要延長嘛,因為你們現在除了這個營業稅跟娛樂稅這個是說這一個災後呢提出申請,其他7項都在災後內,30天捏,那你可以延長到多久啊?\n\n7\n00:02:26,232 --> 00:02:52,197\n我們我想國稅的部分是屬於我們的部分我們把它延長到90天3個月3個月我們想讓把時間拉得更長讓民眾可以有比較寬裕的時間來處理這樣的事情我想這個部分我們剛剛已經討論過我們也會討論方向就在在災民的角度來想啦那30天實在是太緊了嘛那很多都還要再要重建很多這個搞不好這些政見什麼東西都還找不到咧所以可以延長到3個月嘛把它延長是\n\n8\n00:02:53,477 --> 00:03:12,481\n那那個再請問一下齁這次花蓮縣算是重災區齁那這個財政部的這個北區的國稅局花蓮分局呢這也受理這一個大量的這個災損的相關的申報齁那現在就是說齁你們在15萬以內的這個災損是用書面15萬以上是用這一個呃要你們去會刊是不是\n\n9\n00:03:12,941 --> 00:03:38,929\n那這個可不可以做個調整啊?你們有這麼多能力來做這些會刊嗎?是,我想這個委員剛剛許多委員也都有提示我們這個部分一定要調整因為為什麼?第一個因為災害這一次蠻嚴重的那再加上我們應該要重寬、重數、重優那所以在金額上我們應該可以調高我覺得我們這個可以調高調高到多少?我們初步我想我們可以調高至少可以調高到30萬吧\n\n10\n00:03:40,089 --> 00:03:51,861\n三十萬。這個其實齁可以再高一點啦。因為我是為了你們的人力著想啦。所以我是認為說其實是可以再高一點啦。\n\n11\n00:03:52,500 --> 00:04:08,721\n好,那我們盡力了,我想這個部分至少我們調到30萬,我想第一個讓人力也可以負荷減少,讓民眾也可以減少一些紛擾,這個部分沒有人齁,我認為在這個時間齁,就相信人民那災民也是非常的,也是這個沒有人願意遇到這個災損\n\n12\n00:04:10,123 --> 00:04:36,693\n那我覺得就是說在彼此信任的狀況之下讓這個災民能夠方便讓你們的人力也能夠在這個相關的負荷之內能夠把這個事情做好啦所以我是覺得30萬可以再往上再做調整好不好我想這個看實際的需要我想我們先這樣30萬然後我們也從寬寬、從素、從優來做出來你們有多少人在這個花蓮分局花蓮分局多少\n\n13\n00:04:38,530 --> 00:04:47,321\n多少人?八十九個。那不可能八十九個都出去外面看啊,對不對?實際上去外面看的有多少人?\n\n14\n00:04:48,592 --> 00:05:17,658\n我們可以排成啦那其實我們在那個4月3號跟4月4號我們已經到就營業營業4月所得稅的部分我們已經到那個美倫工業區跟那個華光工業區那邊其實我們已經都先看完了那個人的部分對那個人的部分我們現在會再跟地方政府或村里幹事這邊來一起一起來會勘對啦我是覺得說就是齁讓災民方便啦也也不要讓你們的人齁太累啦\n\n15\n00:05:20,259 --> 00:05:44,274\n這個剛剛也很多的委員都提到有關加值型及非加值型營業稅的第8條的修法有關女性的生理用品是不是能夠免稅當然我剛剛也聽了很多部長的回應那我只是說因為這個是幾乎是三黨的共識了那如果說三黨一致決定的話我只問這個部長在執行上面有什麼困難嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:51,548 --> 00:06:09,017\n主要的原因是因為我們現在營業稅是內涵在售價裡面所以我如果免的話假設他今天沒有去調那個售價最後的結果就是一樣沒有就是我們女性還是沒有得到減稅的利益那如果真的有沒有那個調這樣售價是誰要去查\n\n17\n00:06:10,638 --> 00:06:38,900\n這個除非你要特別有人去查價但是現在的重點是因為我們整個減稅是3.8億個別女性家可以得到的減稅利益可能是蠻小的但到最後為了這個我們特別要求廠商因為他要不給你減稅他要改程序我覺得不要去講說對個別的女性來講還是很少月經貧窮這四個字你有聽過嗎那我們講說因為我也是女性所以我可以理解女人何苦為難女人\n\n18\n00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,045\n我絕對不會委員所以我只問,正如你剛剛的署長的答覆其實我都有聽,我蠻專心聽的,你們的困難點在哪裡?稅收會減少,然後激增不容易。除了稅收,對,稅收減少,最重要是...那我只問說如果三黨一致決定說要做的話,你們在執行上會有困難嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:06,081\n呃,我想,委員啊,呃,呃,因為這個齁,這個從這個2016年齁,其實在林全當院長的時候就開始講了,講了講講講,已經8年了欸。\n\n20\n00:07:11,651 --> 00:07:40,190\n你如果說我們減稅以後能夠真的照顧到女性的女性朋友然後在生理用品的負擔可以減輕的話那當然值得但是問題是就是說在售價裡面就內涵了所以他會不會最後反映在全部的售價裡面我是說他如果沒有反映到售價那有另外一個機制來查嘛對不對這個就不是你們財政部了嘛對不對你們財政部就要處理這一個營業稅這部分嘛那到底這個你們比如說免稅之後那到底呢這個\n\n21\n00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:55,483\n廠商有沒有把這個產品這個價格把它下降那又是這個其他單位去處理的事情了吧這個不是你們要去處理的吧話是這麼說但是政府其實是一體的齁那在機制上查價能夠真的落實讓女性朋友可以能夠享受到這樣的一個優惠我覺得當然是好但是我覺得查價機制上恐怕快因為我們也知道嘛都是各種品牌有各種不同的價格嘛\n\n22\n00:08:08,274 --> 00:08:08,454\n所以部長還是認為說這個\n\n23\n00:08:28,926 --> 00:08:57,884\n這一條沒辦法去修就對了我想這個要修要它的有效性在裡面因為達到我們真正的一個目的那是不是有其他的方式可以同樣達到有啊,其他方式我也聽過了啦然後我只是提醒部長這個很難得這個三黨會有一致的共識尤其這個是在這個民生的議題上面那我還是希望說部長的原則困難點我當然知道但是希望你們要去做的是說怎麼樣去突破這個困難點\n\n24\n00:08:58,604 --> 00:08:59,004\n委員賴士葆等17人、委員賴士葆\n\n25\n00:09:19,655 --> 00:09:36,472\n不管是對女性或是對全國老百姓都有益的事情我是認為說這個還是請部長還是要來考慮一下好不好因為這個是難得是三黨的共識那時間有限我看到很多同仁就是說所得稅法的這個修改\n\n26\n00:09:37,318 --> 00:10:01,068\n那當然這個這個條這樣大家都很開心但是我也發現說這個我們所得稅法這個從這個32年1月30號制定之後到112年12月19號修訂了總共69次那尤其這個像第17條去年12月19日才修法條高幼兒學錢的特別扣除額還有房屋租金的支出特別扣除\n\n27\n00:10:01,748 --> 00:10:19,888\n這個是去年修法113年今年適用,要等到114年,等於是明年申請才能夠享受。所以現在我又看到相關的提案又提出來了。我是建議,是不是說我們可以按照這個所得稅法第五條的修正,增訂這個誤條機制。\n\n28\n00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:49,480\n這個在第17條我們也徵定說扣除了的這個誤調機制那不要說這個每一次這個大家就是說對剛修完沒多久大家覺得說不夠還要繼續再降下去那至少是不是有一個機制還可以來做一個一個標準不要說這個每一年或是說每個會期只要修有關這個相關的這個所得稅法修正的時候明明去年才調今年再調\n\n29\n00:10:50,120 --> 00:11:16,321\n可不可以按照這個第五條我們增定一個五條機制?委員這個...委員的這個部分的建議我們一併納入演繹跟...一併納入演繹,是一併納入演繹所以會做,是不是?對,一併納入整體的演繹,是的好啊好,我就來做啦,啊不然這樣子齁,這個每個委員當然是說,當然希望說能夠稅能夠少繳當然是很好啊但是我認為要有一個機制在啦好,不然就變成漫天喊價\n\n30\n00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:19,141\n李慧琼、黃珊珊\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n623\t4184\t謝謝主席。我們請莊部長。請莊部長。委員好。部長好。這個上午9點的時候,那我們的賴清德總統當選人宣布新的行政院院長,這個我們的新的院長,卓榮泰院長。然後呢這個賴清德準總統他對於這個卓榮泰主格,他有這個三個期免。\n27992\t41333\t那他說希望能夠達到這個AI的這個行動創新的內閣啦這個要聽取民意、解決瞑目、回應人民的期待那我希望說我們財政部也是朝這個方向走好不好\n42918\t67608\t謝謝委員,我們會照這個方向。對啊,所以要照這個方向走,所以很多委員對財政部的要求,我剛剛聽了前面九位委員對於財政部的一些要求,對於修法上面的一些調整,我看部長的態度好像是比較強硬一點點。沒有達到說要聽取民意,解決瞑目,回應人民期待這個方向來走。\n69790\t94086\t麻煩我一個一個來問好了4月3號花蓮大地震當然我們都表達哀悼之意當然後續的重建工作也開始陸陸續續開始接下來又要再開始要報稅4月3號的花蓮地震我們其實財政部也在第一時間提醒說受債戶要損失的一些稅捐要減免要及時來申報你們網站上面有寫到說有9個稅捐抵免的申報\n99950\t120406\t那除了這個營業稅還有娛樂稅之外呢其他的要求吼都是限期三十天這限期三十天那請問一下這部長因為這個大地震之後吼這個很多災民吼災後重建吼也需要一些時間那你又限期他三十天吼必須要申報完這個有沒有一些彈性寬限的一個期間吶\n123195\t145552\t呃,委員,呃,跟委員報告,我想這邊的30天其實對民眾尤其是花蓮地區的一個受到重大災害的可能時間不足,我們這個部分會來通案處理,把時間要延長。對,要延長嘛,因為你們現在除了這個營業稅跟娛樂稅這個是說這一個災後呢提出申請,其他7項都在災後內,30天捏,那你可以延長到多久啊?\n146232\t172197\t我們我想國稅的部分是屬於我們的部分我們把它延長到90天3個月3個月我們想讓把時間拉得更長讓民眾可以有比較寬裕的時間來處理這樣的事情我想這個部分我們剛剛已經討論過我們也會討論方向就在在災民的角度來想啦那30天實在是太緊了嘛那很多都還要再要重建很多這個搞不好這些政見什麼東西都還找不到咧所以可以延長到3個月嘛把它延長是\n173477\t192481\t那那個再請問一下齁這次花蓮縣算是重災區齁那這個財政部的這個北區的國稅局花蓮分局呢這也受理這一個大量的這個災損的相關的申報齁那現在就是說齁你們在15萬以內的這個災損是用書面15萬以上是用這一個呃要你們去會刊是不是\n192941\t218929\t那這個可不可以做個調整啊?你們有這麼多能力來做這些會刊嗎?是,我想這個委員剛剛許多委員也都有提示我們這個部分一定要調整因為為什麼?第一個因為災害這一次蠻嚴重的那再加上我們應該要重寬、重數、重優那所以在金額上我們應該可以調高我覺得我們這個可以調高調高到多少?我們初步我想我們可以調高至少可以調高到30萬吧\n220089\t231861\t三十萬。這個其實齁可以再高一點啦。因為我是為了你們的人力著想啦。所以我是認為說其實是可以再高一點啦。\n232500\t248721\t好,那我們盡力了,我想這個部分至少我們調到30萬,我想第一個讓人力也可以負荷減少,讓民眾也可以減少一些紛擾,這個部分沒有人齁,我認為在這個時間齁,就相信人民那災民也是非常的,也是這個沒有人願意遇到這個災損\n250123\t276693\t那我覺得就是說在彼此信任的狀況之下讓這個災民能夠方便讓你們的人力也能夠在這個相關的負荷之內能夠把這個事情做好啦所以我是覺得30萬可以再往上再做調整好不好我想這個看實際的需要我想我們先這樣30萬然後我們也從寬寬、從素、從優來做出來你們有多少人在這個花蓮分局花蓮分局多少\n278530\t287321\t多少人?八十九個。那不可能八十九個都出去外面看啊,對不對?實際上去外面看的有多少人?\n288592\t317658\t我們可以排成啦那其實我們在那個4月3號跟4月4號我們已經到就營業營業4月所得稅的部分我們已經到那個美倫工業區跟那個華光工業區那邊其實我們已經都先看完了那個人的部分對那個人的部分我們現在會再跟地方政府或村里幹事這邊來一起一起來會勘對啦我是覺得說就是齁讓災民方便啦也也不要讓你們的人齁太累啦\n320259\t344274\t這個剛剛也很多的委員都提到有關加值型及非加值型營業稅的第8條的修法有關女性的生理用品是不是能夠免稅當然我剛剛也聽了很多部長的回應那我只是說因為這個是幾乎是三黨的共識了那如果說三黨一致決定的話我只問這個部長在執行上面有什麼困難嗎?\n351548\t369017\t主要的原因是因為我們現在營業稅是內涵在售價裡面所以我如果免的話假設他今天沒有去調那個售價最後的結果就是一樣沒有就是我們女性還是沒有得到減稅的利益那如果真的有沒有那個調這樣售價是誰要去查\n370638\t398900\t這個除非你要特別有人去查價但是現在的重點是因為我們整個減稅是3.8億個別女性家可以得到的減稅利益可能是蠻小的但到最後為了這個我們特別要求廠商因為他要不給你減稅他要改程序我覺得不要去講說對個別的女性來講還是很少月經貧窮這四個字你有聽過嗎那我們講說因為我也是女性所以我可以理解女人何苦為難女人\n399360\t404045\t我絕對不會委員所以我只問,正如你剛剛的署長的答覆其實我都有聽,我蠻專心聽的,你們的困難點在哪裡?稅收會減少,然後激增不容易。除了稅收,對,稅收減少,最重要是...那我只問說如果三黨一致決定說要做的話,你們在執行上會有困難嗎?\n422797\t426081\t呃,我想,委員啊,呃,呃,因為這個齁,這個從這個2016年齁,其實在林全當院長的時候就開始講了,講了講講講,已經8年了欸。\n431651\t460190\t你如果說我們減稅以後能夠真的照顧到女性的女性朋友然後在生理用品的負擔可以減輕的話那當然值得但是問題是就是說在售價裡面就內涵了所以他會不會最後反映在全部的售價裡面我是說他如果沒有反映到售價那有另外一個機制來查嘛對不對這個就不是你們財政部了嘛對不對你們財政部就要處理這一個營業稅這部分嘛那到底這個你們比如說免稅之後那到底呢這個\n461010\t475483\t廠商有沒有把這個產品這個價格把它下降那又是這個其他單位去處理的事情了吧這個不是你們要去處理的吧話是這麼說但是政府其實是一體的齁那在機制上查價能夠真的落實讓女性朋友可以能夠享受到這樣的一個優惠我覺得當然是好但是我覺得查價機制上恐怕快因為我們也知道嘛都是各種品牌有各種不同的價格嘛\n488274\t488454\t所以部長還是認為說這個\n508926\t537884\t這一條沒辦法去修就對了我想這個要修要它的有效性在裡面因為達到我們真正的一個目的那是不是有其他的方式可以同樣達到有啊,其他方式我也聽過了啦然後我只是提醒部長這個很難得這個三黨會有一致的共識尤其這個是在這個民生的議題上面那我還是希望說部長的原則困難點我當然知道但是希望你們要去做的是說怎麼樣去突破這個困難點\n538604\t539004\t委員賴士葆等17人、委員賴士葆\n559655\t576472\t不管是對女性或是對全國老百姓都有益的事情我是認為說這個還是請部長還是要來考慮一下好不好因為這個是難得是三黨的共識那時間有限我看到很多同仁就是說所得稅法的這個修改\n577318\t601068\t那當然這個這個條這樣大家都很開心但是我也發現說這個我們所得稅法這個從這個32年1月30號制定之後到112年12月19號修訂了總共69次那尤其這個像第17條去年12月19日才修法條高幼兒學錢的特別扣除額還有房屋租金的支出特別扣除\n601748\t619888\t這個是去年修法113年今年適用,要等到114年,等於是明年申請才能夠享受。所以現在我又看到相關的提案又提出來了。我是建議,是不是說我們可以按照這個所得稅法第五條的修正,增訂這個誤條機制。\n622150\t649480\t這個在第17條我們也徵定說扣除了的這個誤調機制那不要說這個每一次這個大家就是說對剛修完沒多久大家覺得說不夠還要繼續再降下去那至少是不是有一個機制還可以來做一個一個標準不要說這個每一年或是說每個會期只要修有關這個相關的這個所得稅法修正的時候明明去年才調今年再調\n650120\t676321\t可不可以按照這個第五條我們增定一個五條機制?委員這個...委員的這個部分的建議我們一併納入演繹跟...一併納入演繹,是一併納入演繹所以會做,是不是?對,一併納入整體的演繹,是的好啊好,我就來做啦,啊不然這樣子齁,這個每個委員當然是說,當然希望說能夠稅能夠少繳當然是很好啊但是我認為要有一個機制在啦好,不然就變成漫天喊價\n678300\t679141\t李慧琼、黃珊珊\n","txt":"謝謝主席。我們請莊部長。請莊部長。委員好。部長好。這個上午9點的時候,那我們的賴清德總統當選人宣布新的行政院院長,這個我們的新的院長,卓榮泰院長。然後呢這個賴清德準總統他對於這個卓榮泰主格,他有這個三個期免。\n那他說希望能夠達到這個AI的這個行動創新的內閣啦這個要聽取民意、解決瞑目、回應人民的期待那我希望說我們財政部也是朝這個方向走好不好\n謝謝委員,我們會照這個方向。對啊,所以要照這個方向走,所以很多委員對財政部的要求,我剛剛聽了前面九位委員對於財政部的一些要求,對於修法上面的一些調整,我看部長的態度好像是比較強硬一點點。沒有達到說要聽取民意,解決瞑目,回應人民期待這個方向來走。\n麻煩我一個一個來問好了4月3號花蓮大地震當然我們都表達哀悼之意當然後續的重建工作也開始陸陸續續開始接下來又要再開始要報稅4月3號的花蓮地震我們其實財政部也在第一時間提醒說受債戶要損失的一些稅捐要減免要及時來申報你們網站上面有寫到說有9個稅捐抵免的申報\n那除了這個營業稅還有娛樂稅之外呢其他的要求吼都是限期三十天這限期三十天那請問一下這部長因為這個大地震之後吼這個很多災民吼災後重建吼也需要一些時間那你又限期他三十天吼必須要申報完這個有沒有一些彈性寬限的一個期間吶\n呃,委員,呃,跟委員報告,我想這邊的30天其實對民眾尤其是花蓮地區的一個受到重大災害的可能時間不足,我們這個部分會來通案處理,把時間要延長。對,要延長嘛,因為你們現在除了這個營業稅跟娛樂稅這個是說這一個災後呢提出申請,其他7項都在災後內,30天捏,那你可以延長到多久啊?\n我們我想國稅的部分是屬於我們的部分我們把它延長到90天3個月3個月我們想讓把時間拉得更長讓民眾可以有比較寬裕的時間來處理這樣的事情我想這個部分我們剛剛已經討論過我們也會討論方向就在在災民的角度來想啦那30天實在是太緊了嘛那很多都還要再要重建很多這個搞不好這些政見什麼東西都還找不到咧所以可以延長到3個月嘛把它延長是\n那那個再請問一下齁這次花蓮縣算是重災區齁那這個財政部的這個北區的國稅局花蓮分局呢這也受理這一個大量的這個災損的相關的申報齁那現在就是說齁你們在15萬以內的這個災損是用書面15萬以上是用這一個呃要你們去會刊是不是\n那這個可不可以做個調整啊?你們有這麼多能力來做這些會刊嗎?是,我想這個委員剛剛許多委員也都有提示我們這個部分一定要調整因為為什麼?第一個因為災害這一次蠻嚴重的那再加上我們應該要重寬、重數、重優那所以在金額上我們應該可以調高我覺得我們這個可以調高調高到多少?我們初步我想我們可以調高至少可以調高到30萬吧\n三十萬。這個其實齁可以再高一點啦。因為我是為了你們的人力著想啦。所以我是認為說其實是可以再高一點啦。\n好,那我們盡力了,我想這個部分至少我們調到30萬,我想第一個讓人力也可以負荷減少,讓民眾也可以減少一些紛擾,這個部分沒有人齁,我認為在這個時間齁,就相信人民那災民也是非常的,也是這個沒有人願意遇到這個災損\n那我覺得就是說在彼此信任的狀況之下讓這個災民能夠方便讓你們的人力也能夠在這個相關的負荷之內能夠把這個事情做好啦所以我是覺得30萬可以再往上再做調整好不好我想這個看實際的需要我想我們先這樣30萬然後我們也從寬寬、從素、從優來做出來你們有多少人在這個花蓮分局花蓮分局多少\n多少人?八十九個。那不可能八十九個都出去外面看啊,對不對?實際上去外面看的有多少人?\n我們可以排成啦那其實我們在那個4月3號跟4月4號我們已經到就營業營業4月所得稅的部分我們已經到那個美倫工業區跟那個華光工業區那邊其實我們已經都先看完了那個人的部分對那個人的部分我們現在會再跟地方政府或村里幹事這邊來一起一起來會勘對啦我是覺得說就是齁讓災民方便啦也也不要讓你們的人齁太累啦\n這個剛剛也很多的委員都提到有關加值型及非加值型營業稅的第8條的修法有關女性的生理用品是不是能夠免稅當然我剛剛也聽了很多部長的回應那我只是說因為這個是幾乎是三黨的共識了那如果說三黨一致決定的話我只問這個部長在執行上面有什麼困難嗎?\n主要的原因是因為我們現在營業稅是內涵在售價裡面所以我如果免的話假設他今天沒有去調那個售價最後的結果就是一樣沒有就是我們女性還是沒有得到減稅的利益那如果真的有沒有那個調這樣售價是誰要去查\n這個除非你要特別有人去查價但是現在的重點是因為我們整個減稅是3.8億個別女性家可以得到的減稅利益可能是蠻小的但到最後為了這個我們特別要求廠商因為他要不給你減稅他要改程序我覺得不要去講說對個別的女性來講還是很少月經貧窮這四個字你有聽過嗎那我們講說因為我也是女性所以我可以理解女人何苦為難女人\n我絕對不會委員所以我只問,正如你剛剛的署長的答覆其實我都有聽,我蠻專心聽的,你們的困難點在哪裡?稅收會減少,然後激增不容易。除了稅收,對,稅收減少,最重要是...那我只問說如果三黨一致決定說要做的話,你們在執行上會有困難嗎?\n呃,我想,委員啊,呃,呃,因為這個齁,這個從這個2016年齁,其實在林全當院長的時候就開始講了,講了講講講,已經8年了欸。\n你如果說我們減稅以後能夠真的照顧到女性的女性朋友然後在生理用品的負擔可以減輕的話那當然值得但是問題是就是說在售價裡面就內涵了所以他會不會最後反映在全部的售價裡面我是說他如果沒有反映到售價那有另外一個機制來查嘛對不對這個就不是你們財政部了嘛對不對你們財政部就要處理這一個營業稅這部分嘛那到底這個你們比如說免稅之後那到底呢這個\n廠商有沒有把這個產品這個價格把它下降那又是這個其他單位去處理的事情了吧這個不是你們要去處理的吧話是這麼說但是政府其實是一體的齁那在機制上查價能夠真的落實讓女性朋友可以能夠享受到這樣的一個優惠我覺得當然是好但是我覺得查價機制上恐怕快因為我們也知道嘛都是各種品牌有各種不同的價格嘛\n所以部長還是認為說這個\n這一條沒辦法去修就對了我想這個要修要它的有效性在裡面因為達到我們真正的一個目的那是不是有其他的方式可以同樣達到有啊,其他方式我也聽過了啦然後我只是提醒部長這個很難得這個三黨會有一致的共識尤其這個是在這個民生的議題上面那我還是希望說部長的原則困難點我當然知道但是希望你們要去做的是說怎麼樣去突破這個困難點\n委員賴士葆等17人、委員賴士葆\n不管是對女性或是對全國老百姓都有益的事情我是認為說這個還是請部長還是要來考慮一下好不好因為這個是難得是三黨的共識那時間有限我看到很多同仁就是說所得稅法的這個修改\n那當然這個這個條這樣大家都很開心但是我也發現說這個我們所得稅法這個從這個32年1月30號制定之後到112年12月19號修訂了總共69次那尤其這個像第17條去年12月19日才修法條高幼兒學錢的特別扣除額還有房屋租金的支出特別扣除\n這個是去年修法113年今年適用,要等到114年,等於是明年申請才能夠享受。所以現在我又看到相關的提案又提出來了。我是建議,是不是說我們可以按照這個所得稅法第五條的修正,增訂這個誤條機制。\n這個在第17條我們也徵定說扣除了的這個誤調機制那不要說這個每一次這個大家就是說對剛修完沒多久大家覺得說不夠還要繼續再降下去那至少是不是有一個機制還可以來做一個一個標準不要說這個每一年或是說每個會期只要修有關這個相關的這個所得稅法修正的時候明明去年才調今年再調\n可不可以按照這個第五條我們增定一個五條機制?委員這個...委員的這個部分的建議我們一併納入演繹跟...一併納入演繹,是一併納入演繹所以會做,是不是?對,一併納入整體的演繹,是的好啊好,我就來做啦,啊不然這樣子齁,這個每個委員當然是說,當然希望說能夠稅能夠少繳當然是很好啊但是我認為要有一個機制在啦好,不然就變成漫天喊價\n李慧琼、黃珊珊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.623 --> 00:04.184\n謝謝主席。我們請莊部長。請莊部長。委員好。部長好。這個上午9點的時候,那我們的賴清德總統當選人宣布新的行政院院長,這個我們的新的院長,卓榮泰院長。然後呢這個賴清德準總統他對於這個卓榮泰主格,他有這個三個期免。\n\n00:27.992 --> 00:41.333\n那他說希望能夠達到這個AI的這個行動創新的內閣啦這個要聽取民意、解決瞑目、回應人民的期待那我希望說我們財政部也是朝這個方向走好不好\n\n00:42.918 --> 01:07.608\n謝謝委員,我們會照這個方向。對啊,所以要照這個方向走,所以很多委員對財政部的要求,我剛剛聽了前面九位委員對於財政部的一些要求,對於修法上面的一些調整,我看部長的態度好像是比較強硬一點點。沒有達到說要聽取民意,解決瞑目,回應人民期待這個方向來走。\n\n01:09.790 --> 01:34.086\n麻煩我一個一個來問好了4月3號花蓮大地震當然我們都表達哀悼之意當然後續的重建工作也開始陸陸續續開始接下來又要再開始要報稅4月3號的花蓮地震我們其實財政部也在第一時間提醒說受債戶要損失的一些稅捐要減免要及時來申報你們網站上面有寫到說有9個稅捐抵免的申報\n\n01:39.950 --> 02:00.406\n那除了這個營業稅還有娛樂稅之外呢其他的要求吼都是限期三十天這限期三十天那請問一下這部長因為這個大地震之後吼這個很多災民吼災後重建吼也需要一些時間那你又限期他三十天吼必須要申報完這個有沒有一些彈性寬限的一個期間吶\n\n02:03.195 --> 02:25.552\n呃,委員,呃,跟委員報告,我想這邊的30天其實對民眾尤其是花蓮地區的一個受到重大災害的可能時間不足,我們這個部分會來通案處理,把時間要延長。對,要延長嘛,因為你們現在除了這個營業稅跟娛樂稅這個是說這一個災後呢提出申請,其他7項都在災後內,30天捏,那你可以延長到多久啊?\n\n02:26.232 --> 02:52.197\n我們我想國稅的部分是屬於我們的部分我們把它延長到90天3個月3個月我們想讓把時間拉得更長讓民眾可以有比較寬裕的時間來處理這樣的事情我想這個部分我們剛剛已經討論過我們也會討論方向就在在災民的角度來想啦那30天實在是太緊了嘛那很多都還要再要重建很多這個搞不好這些政見什麼東西都還找不到咧所以可以延長到3個月嘛把它延長是\n\n02:53.477 --> 03:12.481\n那那個再請問一下齁這次花蓮縣算是重災區齁那這個財政部的這個北區的國稅局花蓮分局呢這也受理這一個大量的這個災損的相關的申報齁那現在就是說齁你們在15萬以內的這個災損是用書面15萬以上是用這一個呃要你們去會刊是不是\n\n03:12.941 --> 03:38.929\n那這個可不可以做個調整啊?你們有這麼多能力來做這些會刊嗎?是,我想這個委員剛剛許多委員也都有提示我們這個部分一定要調整因為為什麼?第一個因為災害這一次蠻嚴重的那再加上我們應該要重寬、重數、重優那所以在金額上我們應該可以調高我覺得我們這個可以調高調高到多少?我們初步我想我們可以調高至少可以調高到30萬吧\n\n03:40.089 --> 03:51.861\n三十萬。這個其實齁可以再高一點啦。因為我是為了你們的人力著想啦。所以我是認為說其實是可以再高一點啦。\n\n03:52.500 --> 04:08.721\n好,那我們盡力了,我想這個部分至少我們調到30萬,我想第一個讓人力也可以負荷減少,讓民眾也可以減少一些紛擾,這個部分沒有人齁,我認為在這個時間齁,就相信人民那災民也是非常的,也是這個沒有人願意遇到這個災損\n\n04:10.123 --> 04:36.693\n那我覺得就是說在彼此信任的狀況之下讓這個災民能夠方便讓你們的人力也能夠在這個相關的負荷之內能夠把這個事情做好啦所以我是覺得30萬可以再往上再做調整好不好我想這個看實際的需要我想我們先這樣30萬然後我們也從寬寬、從素、從優來做出來你們有多少人在這個花蓮分局花蓮分局多少\n\n04:38.530 --> 04:47.321\n多少人?八十九個。那不可能八十九個都出去外面看啊,對不對?實際上去外面看的有多少人?\n\n04:48.592 --> 05:17.658\n我們可以排成啦那其實我們在那個4月3號跟4月4號我們已經到就營業營業4月所得稅的部分我們已經到那個美倫工業區跟那個華光工業區那邊其實我們已經都先看完了那個人的部分對那個人的部分我們現在會再跟地方政府或村里幹事這邊來一起一起來會勘對啦我是覺得說就是齁讓災民方便啦也也不要讓你們的人齁太累啦\n\n05:20.259 --> 05:44.274\n這個剛剛也很多的委員都提到有關加值型及非加值型營業稅的第8條的修法有關女性的生理用品是不是能夠免稅當然我剛剛也聽了很多部長的回應那我只是說因為這個是幾乎是三黨的共識了那如果說三黨一致決定的話我只問這個部長在執行上面有什麼困難嗎?\n\n05:51.548 --> 06:09.017\n主要的原因是因為我們現在營業稅是內涵在售價裡面所以我如果免的話假設他今天沒有去調那個售價最後的結果就是一樣沒有就是我們女性還是沒有得到減稅的利益那如果真的有沒有那個調這樣售價是誰要去查\n\n06:10.638 --> 06:38.900\n這個除非你要特別有人去查價但是現在的重點是因為我們整個減稅是3.8億個別女性家可以得到的減稅利益可能是蠻小的但到最後為了這個我們特別要求廠商因為他要不給你減稅他要改程序我覺得不要去講說對個別的女性來講還是很少月經貧窮這四個字你有聽過嗎那我們講說因為我也是女性所以我可以理解女人何苦為難女人\n\n06:39.360 --> 06:44.045\n我絕對不會委員所以我只問,正如你剛剛的署長的答覆其實我都有聽,我蠻專心聽的,你們的困難點在哪裡?稅收會減少,然後激增不容易。除了稅收,對,稅收減少,最重要是...那我只問說如果三黨一致決定說要做的話,你們在執行上會有困難嗎?\n\n07:02.797 --> 07:06.081\n呃,我想,委員啊,呃,呃,因為這個齁,這個從這個2016年齁,其實在林全當院長的時候就開始講了,講了講講講,已經8年了欸。\n\n07:11.651 --> 07:40.190\n你如果說我們減稅以後能夠真的照顧到女性的女性朋友然後在生理用品的負擔可以減輕的話那當然值得但是問題是就是說在售價裡面就內涵了所以他會不會最後反映在全部的售價裡面我是說他如果沒有反映到售價那有另外一個機制來查嘛對不對這個就不是你們財政部了嘛對不對你們財政部就要處理這一個營業稅這部分嘛那到底這個你們比如說免稅之後那到底呢這個\n\n07:41.010 --> 07:55.483\n廠商有沒有把這個產品這個價格把它下降那又是這個其他單位去處理的事情了吧這個不是你們要去處理的吧話是這麼說但是政府其實是一體的齁那在機制上查價能夠真的落實讓女性朋友可以能夠享受到這樣的一個優惠我覺得當然是好但是我覺得查價機制上恐怕快因為我們也知道嘛都是各種品牌有各種不同的價格嘛\n\n08:08.274 --> 08:08.454\n所以部長還是認為說這個\n\n08:28.926 --> 08:57.884\n這一條沒辦法去修就對了我想這個要修要它的有效性在裡面因為達到我們真正的一個目的那是不是有其他的方式可以同樣達到有啊,其他方式我也聽過了啦然後我只是提醒部長這個很難得這個三黨會有一致的共識尤其這個是在這個民生的議題上面那我還是希望說部長的原則困難點我當然知道但是希望你們要去做的是說怎麼樣去突破這個困難點\n\n08:58.604 --> 08:59.004\n委員賴士葆等17人、委員賴士葆\n\n09:19.655 --> 09:36.472\n不管是對女性或是對全國老百姓都有益的事情我是認為說這個還是請部長還是要來考慮一下好不好因為這個是難得是三黨的共識那時間有限我看到很多同仁就是說所得稅法的這個修改\n\n09:37.318 --> 10:01.068\n那當然這個這個條這樣大家都很開心但是我也發現說這個我們所得稅法這個從這個32年1月30號制定之後到112年12月19號修訂了總共69次那尤其這個像第17條去年12月19日才修法條高幼兒學錢的特別扣除額還有房屋租金的支出特別扣除\n\n10:01.748 --> 10:19.888\n這個是去年修法113年今年適用,要等到114年,等於是明年申請才能夠享受。所以現在我又看到相關的提案又提出來了。我是建議,是不是說我們可以按照這個所得稅法第五條的修正,增訂這個誤條機制。\n\n10:22.150 --> 10:49.480\n這個在第17條我們也徵定說扣除了的這個誤調機制那不要說這個每一次這個大家就是說對剛修完沒多久大家覺得說不夠還要繼續再降下去那至少是不是有一個機制還可以來做一個一個標準不要說這個每一年或是說每個會期只要修有關這個相關的這個所得稅法修正的時候明明去年才調今年再調\n\n10:50.120 --> 11:16.321\n可不可以按照這個第五條我們增定一個五條機制?委員這個...委員的這個部分的建議我們一併納入演繹跟...一併納入演繹,是一併納入演繹所以會做,是不是?對,一併納入整體的演繹,是的好啊好,我就來做啦,啊不然這樣子齁,這個每個委員當然是說,當然希望說能夠稅能夠少繳當然是很好啊但是我認為要有一個機制在啦好,不然就變成漫天喊價\n\n11:18.300 --> 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