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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:09,299 --> 00:00:31,024\n麻煩請部長,請薛部長。委員好。部長好,那在這個4月3號的這個大地震之後呢,我有前往花蓮去看災,那等一下也要再趕去。所以我們先來關心一下這個災後的一些問題。\n\n2\n00:00:32,364 --> 00:00:34,925\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),\n\n3\n00:00:53,352 --> 00:01:07,038\n有些人在這場地震當中與家人天人永隔了,那如果就是說有些甚至目睹了親人被剝奪生命的情況,那是非常嚴重在心理上是非常嚴重的創傷\n\n4\n00:01:09,279 --> 00:01:36,790\n而在這一場地震當中有許多人身體上有受傷但是無論是罹難者的家屬傷者本身或者是照顧這個照顧者的照顧傷者的家人他們現在可能都在忙於就是說處理眼前當下的一些一些問題那可能自己有一些這個就是說沒有發現說自己可能有一些這個\n\n5\n00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:39,771\n醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事\n\n6\n00:01:55,693 --> 00:02:17,407\n這部分的話那災後心理重建的其實在當時那0403的時候我們就啟動了那是馬上緊急進去那有些這一個受災戶或者社區的民眾他監控的部分他必須要有人去做安撫那這是當時發生的時候\n\n7\n00:02:20,689 --> 00:02:34,279\n然後持續的我們是跟這個地方的衛生局也就是花蓮衛生局還有幾個那個協會心理諮商、臨床心理學會工會去合作設置這個安心關懷站\n\n8\n00:02:42,044 --> 00:02:58,669\n這部分到了4月8號的時候我們累計算了大概派了這個心肺中心就衛生局的這個心肺中心的同仁大概有83人次心理師有27人次累計是服務了600多位的民眾\n\n9\n00:03:00,029 --> 00:03:13,965\n那接下來的話那就是會由這個社區心理衛生中心就是衛生局的社區心理衛生中心持續提供給災民的這個諮商的服務那避免這種焦慮\n\n10\n00:03:15,266 --> 00:03:21,108\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件件件件件件件件件件件\n\n11\n00:03:35,333 --> 00:03:50,389\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n12\n00:03:54,894 --> 00:03:56,756\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n13\n00:04:14,608 --> 00:04:35,385\n這部分的話我的印象中花蓮縣政府衛生局那邊,不是衛生局就是說應該是社會處他們已經做這樣一災民或一災戶的話一社工的好我們也希望說這個是可以比較長期的來追蹤啦每個需要心理諮商的個案\n\n14\n00:04:35,905 --> 00:04:41,746\n草案：一、審查一、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、\n\n15\n00:05:05,512 --> 00:05:25,636\n福利及衛生環境委員會及社會福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社\n\n16\n00:05:27,141 --> 00:05:42,355\n這部分其實我們把這個救災人員納到這個我們心理重建的計畫裡面這已經行之多年了在各種災害發生的時候對於救災人員提供這類的服務的話其實都有\n\n17\n00:05:43,522 --> 00:05:59,221\n我只是在這裡再做一個提醒,因為有些住在人員可能因為某種原因,特定的原因,或者也擔心影響身心等等的這個情形,對於自己受到這個心靈創傷,他可能是一個隱忍的狀態。\n\n18\n00:06:00,482 --> 00:06:23,465\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事項,在第一時間沒有辦法改善的情況下,對於救災人員我們需要提供更多的主動關心,讓他們知道這個過程要讓他們安心,因為一定要保密,所以我就特別做這樣的提醒。」\n\n19\n00:06:25,407 --> 00:06:52,685\n最後一個問題我有收到一位原住民的家長的陳情他說他很需要以下這樣的一個服務也要我支持他們這樣的提案這個是一個民間團體天使星在公共政策網路參與平台發起的建議希望提供身心障礙照顧者每年三次免費心理諮商服務部長你覺得這個建議如何?\n\n20\n00:06:55,527 --> 00:07:15,075\n這部分的話可能我們還是要再盤點一下因為對於身心障礙的家庭照顧者那我們有一些方案來支持他們包括在社交組這邊對於身障的家庭照顧者的支持方案\n\n21\n00:07:15,655 --> 00:07:34,681\n包括長照的部分那也是我想其實為什麼他們會有這樣的提案一定是有這個需求不然他們不會這麼賣力的去連署那當然就是說部長這個是看一下這是去年8月衛福部推出了15到30歲年輕族群心理健康支持方案那因為你們評估15到30歲的年齡層這個憂鬱症\n\n22\n00:07:39,002 --> 00:07:57,750\n草案案件事宜及自殺親身的數據趨勢上升,所以你們推出計畫是設定在15到30歲的年齡,但是部長同樣也很需要政府的支持,還有這些身心障礙的照顧者,過去有太多這些照顧者\n\n23\n00:07:58,630 --> 00:08:16,799\n有帶著身心障礙的親人一起走上絕路的這個社會案件那這個是去年6月的新聞所以在這近5年當中總共有44件那照顧者帶著身心障礙的親人一起親生的案子造成這樣的結果的這個影響因素有非常多\n\n24\n00:08:17,259 --> 00:08:36,733\n可是如果說我們可以去協助減輕照顧者在心理上所受的壓力當然就可以減少這樣的悲劇發生了那我不曉得就是說我們通常啦不曉得對於這個身心障礙者的家庭經濟狀況有些有時候真的就是相對弱勢\n\n25\n00:08:37,794 --> 00:08:55,388\n醫療法草案案件事務委員委員會提供免費的心理諮商服務我覺得就是政府是非常需要來支持這樣的一個方案那甚至我覺得他們說一年三次免費我覺得加碼都可以我們在都可以在\n\n26\n00:08:56,269 --> 00:09:09,592\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n27\n00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:31,124\n我剛剛跟委員報告就是說,我們會盤整現有的資源。這個資源包括就是說方案,包括說到底有哪一些人可以去做這些事情。\n\n28\n00:09:31,944 --> 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商服務部長你覺得這個建議如何?\n這部分的話可能我們還是要再盤點一下因為對於身心障礙的家庭照顧者那我們有一些方案來支持他們包括在社交組這邊對於身障的家庭照顧者的支持方案\n包括長照的部分那也是我想其實為什麼他們會有這樣的提案一定是有這個需求不然他們不會這麼賣力的去連署那當然就是說部長這個是看一下這是去年8月衛福部推出了15到30歲年輕族群心理健康支持方案那因為你們評估15到30歲的年齡層這個憂鬱症\n草案案件事宜及自殺親身的數據趨勢上升,所以你們推出計畫是設定在15到30歲的年齡,但是部長同樣也很需要政府的支持,還有這些身心障礙的照顧者,過去有太多這些照顧者\n有帶著身心障礙的親人一起走上絕路的這個社會案件那這個是去年6月的新聞所以在這近5年當中總共有44件那照顧者帶著身心障礙的親人一起親生的案子造成這樣的結果的這個影響因素有非常多\n可是如果說我們可以去協助減輕照顧者在心理上所受的壓力當然就可以減少這樣的悲劇發生了那我不曉得就是說我們通常啦不曉得對於這個身心障礙者的家庭經濟狀況有些有時候真的就是相對弱勢\n醫療法草案案件事務委員委員會提供免費的心理諮商服務我覺得就是政府是非常需要來支持這樣的一個方案那甚至我覺得他們說一年三次免費我覺得加碼都可以我們在都可以在\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n我剛剛跟委員報告就是說,我們會盤整現有的資源。這個資源包括就是說方案,包括說到底有哪一些人可以去做這些事情。\n藉由我們會先盤整。我們也不希望說資源重複配置。所以盤整之後的話,讓我們看看哪一個地方是缺的,我們再來做這些計畫方案來協助他們。好,謝謝部長。好,謝謝。好,謝謝陳盈委員。接下來請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.299 --> 00:31.024\n麻煩請部長,請薛部長。委員好。部長好,那在這個4月3號的這個大地震之後呢,我有前往花蓮去看災,那等一下也要再趕去。所以我們先來關心一下這個災後的一些問題。\n\n00:32.364 --> 00:34.925\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),\n\n00:53.352 --> 01:07.038\n有些人在這場地震當中與家人天人永隔了,那如果就是說有些甚至目睹了親人被剝奪生命的情況,那是非常嚴重在心理上是非常嚴重的創傷\n\n01:09.279 --> 01:36.790\n而在這一場地震當中有許多人身體上有受傷但是無論是罹難者的家屬傷者本身或者是照顧這個照顧者的照顧傷者的家人他們現在可能都在忙於就是說處理眼前當下的一些一些問題那可能自己有一些這個就是說沒有發現說自己可能有一些這個\n\n01:38.210 --> 01:39.771\n醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件事\n\n01:55.693 --> 02:17.407\n這部分的話那災後心理重建的其實在當時那0403的時候我們就啟動了那是馬上緊急進去那有些這一個受災戶或者社區的民眾他監控的部分他必須要有人去做安撫那這是當時發生的時候\n\n02:20.689 --> 02:34.279\n然後持續的我們是跟這個地方的衛生局也就是花蓮衛生局還有幾個那個協會心理諮商、臨床心理學會工會去合作設置這個安心關懷站\n\n02:42.044 --> 02:58.669\n這部分到了4月8號的時候我們累計算了大概派了這個心肺中心就衛生局的這個心肺中心的同仁大概有83人次心理師有27人次累計是服務了600多位的民眾\n\n03:00.029 --> 03:13.965\n那接下來的話那就是會由這個社區心理衛生中心就是衛生局的社區心理衛生中心持續提供給災民的這個諮商的服務那避免這種焦慮\n\n03:15.266 --> 03:21.108\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件件件件件件件件件件件\n\n03:35.333 --> 03:50.389\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n03:54.894 --> 03:56.756\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事件事件\n\n04:14.608 --> 04:35.385\n這部分的話我的印象中花蓮縣政府衛生局那邊,不是衛生局就是說應該是社會處他們已經做這樣一災民或一災戶的話一社工的好我們也希望說這個是可以比較長期的來追蹤啦每個需要心理諮商的個案\n\n04:35.905 --> 04:41.746\n草案：一、審查一、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、審查二、\n\n05:05.512 --> 05:25.636\n福利及衛生環境委員會及社會福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社工福利及社\n\n05:27.141 --> 05:42.355\n這部分其實我們把這個救災人員納到這個我們心理重建的計畫裡面這已經行之多年了在各種災害發生的時候對於救災人員提供這類的服務的話其實都有\n\n05:43.522 --> 05:59.221\n我只是在這裡再做一個提醒,因為有些住在人員可能因為某種原因,特定的原因,或者也擔心影響身心等等的這個情形,對於自己受到這個心靈創傷,他可能是一個隱忍的狀態。\n\n06:00.482 --> 06:23.465\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事項,在第一時間沒有辦法改善的情況下,對於救災人員我們需要提供更多的主動關心,讓他們知道這個過程要讓他們安心,因為一定要保密,所以我就特別做這樣的提醒。」\n\n06:25.407 --> 06:52.685\n最後一個問題我有收到一位原住民的家長的陳情他說他很需要以下這樣的一個服務也要我支持他們這樣的提案這個是一個民間團體天使星在公共政策網路參與平台發起的建議希望提供身心障礙照顧者每年三次免費心理諮商服務部長你覺得這個建議如何?\n\n06:55.527 --> 07:15.075\n這部分的話可能我們還是要再盤點一下因為對於身心障礙的家庭照顧者那我們有一些方案來支持他們包括在社交組這邊對於身障的家庭照顧者的支持方案\n\n07:15.655 --> 07:34.681\n包括長照的部分那也是我想其實為什麼他們會有這樣的提案一定是有這個需求不然他們不會這麼賣力的去連署那當然就是說部長這個是看一下這是去年8月衛福部推出了15到30歲年輕族群心理健康支持方案那因為你們評估15到30歲的年齡層這個憂鬱症\n\n07:39.002 --> 07:57.750\n草案案件事宜及自殺親身的數據趨勢上升,所以你們推出計畫是設定在15到30歲的年齡,但是部長同樣也很需要政府的支持,還有這些身心障礙的照顧者,過去有太多這些照顧者\n\n07:58.630 --> 08:16.799\n有帶著身心障礙的親人一起走上絕路的這個社會案件那這個是去年6月的新聞所以在這近5年當中總共有44件那照顧者帶著身心障礙的親人一起親生的案子造成這樣的結果的這個影響因素有非常多\n\n08:17.259 --> 08:36.733\n可是如果說我們可以去協助減輕照顧者在心理上所受的壓力當然就可以減少這樣的悲劇發生了那我不曉得就是說我們通常啦不曉得對於這個身心障礙者的家庭經濟狀況有些有時候真的就是相對弱勢\n\n08:37.794 --> 08:55.388\n醫療法草案案件事務委員委員會提供免費的心理諮商服務我覺得就是政府是非常需要來支持這樣的一個方案那甚至我覺得他們說一年三次免費我覺得加碼都可以我們在都可以在\n\n08:56.269 --> 09:09.592\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n09:17.014 --> 09:31.124\n我剛剛跟委員報告就是說,我們會盤整現有的資源。這個資源包括就是說方案,包括說到底有哪一些人可以去做這些事情。\n\n09:31.944 --> 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